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Title: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 11, 2019, 07:17:47 PM
YouTube Announces It Will No Longer Recommend Conspiracy Videos
nbcchicago.com | February 10, 2019 06:47 PM

YouTube has announced that it will no longer recommend videos that "come close to" violating its community guidelines, such as conspiracy or medically inaccurate videos.

On Saturday, a former engineer for Google, YouTube's parent company, hailed the move as a "historic victory," NBC News reported.

The original blog post from YouTube, published on Jan. 25, said that videos the site recommends, usually after a user has viewed one video, would no longer lead just to similar videos and instead would "pull in recommendations from a wider set of topics."

YouTube said in the post that the action is meant to "reduce the spread of content that comes close to — but doesn’t quite cross the line of — violating" its community policies. The examples the company cited include "promoting a phony miracle cure for a serious illness, claiming the earth is flat, or making blatantly false claims about historic events like 9/11."
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Royell Storing on February 11, 2019, 07:31:18 PM

              Just another example of "Censorship" which is being leveled on several fronts.  Like the 60's Outer Limits they will, "control the horizontal and the vertical".
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 11, 2019, 07:35:38 PM

              Just another example of "Censorship" which is being leveled on several fronts.

Censorship??   Surely you must be kidding....  Don't you know the constitution?   Or that fine anthem we sing that tells us we live in the "land of the free"
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 11, 2019, 07:39:36 PM
Censorship??   Surely you must be kidding....  Don't you know the constitution?   Or that fine anthem we sing that tells us we live in the "land of the free"

Conspiracy “theory” is anti-intellectual.  Good move.
Title: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Brian Doyle on February 11, 2019, 07:42:41 PM
Last night on CNN's 'Facebook At 15' program host Laurie Segall said Zuckerberg allowed Russian spies and "Conspiracy Theorists" to manipulate Facebook...The term "Conspiracy Theorists" was used in a way that accented them as being a criminal, subversive threat...

This is it people...Under this idiot trump who suckered people into believing he opposed this type of fascist government/corporate corruption they are now making their move and going for the censorship they've been planning ever since the people found a new venue for free speech on the internet...Americans are so dumb they probably won't even notice the difference...
Title: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Brian Doyle on February 11, 2019, 07:43:58 PM
              Just another example of "Censorship" which is being leveled on several fronts.  Like the 60's Outer Limits they will, "control the horizontal and the vertical".

Says a hypocrite who has no problem when I get banned for posting the correct evidence on Prayer Man...
Title: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Brian Doyle on February 11, 2019, 07:45:32 PM
Conspiracy “theory” is anti-intellectual.  Good move.

Jingos and automatic government-backers always cheer on censorship...No problem if it is the destruction of American Constitutional rights...
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Royell Storing on February 11, 2019, 07:46:53 PM

                 This is a continued and escalating effort aimed at the 2020 Pres. Election. Pres. Trump used social media to get around the choke hold the Propaganda Arm has held on the flow of information dating back to FDR. 
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Royell Storing on February 11, 2019, 07:48:26 PM

    I had no idea you got banned.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 11, 2019, 07:50:25 PM
Constitutional rights versus the betterment of society. I shudder to think of people seeking medical advice from “experts” on YouTube and elsewhere.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 11, 2019, 07:52:44 PM
You’d never get this on YouTube any longer. :D
Title: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Brian Doyle on February 11, 2019, 08:04:46 PM
Constitutional rights versus the betterment of society. I shudder to think of people seeking medical advice from “experts” on YouTube and elsewhere.

A true American will realize betterment of society will naturally follow soundly-practiced Constitutional rights...

In 1930's Germany a group formed that validated its abuses by saying they were bettering Germany in a similar way...
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Royell Storing on February 11, 2019, 08:09:52 PM
Constitutional rights versus the betterment of society. I shudder to think of people seeking medical advice from “experts” on YouTube and elsewhere.

     So you want to protect individuals from themselves by Controlling what they see/hear? "Fahrenheit 451" anybody?
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 11, 2019, 08:36:26 PM
     So you want to protect individuals from themselves by Controlling what they see/hear? "Fahrenheit 451" anybody?

You give entirely to much credit to stupid people. Example:  motorcycle helmet laws. Some states have them, some don’t. Studies show, helmets save lives. I rode a bike for some 30 years.  Would never ride without one.  Stupid people still do.  Same people seeking medical advice on YouTube.  Once again, anti-intellectual.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Tim Nickerson on February 11, 2019, 09:07:51 PM
Constitutional rights versus the betterment of society.

WTF? Surely, you can't be serious?

Walt is right though. YouTube is not violating anyone's constitutional rights with this.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 11, 2019, 09:15:00 PM
So if we suggest that perhaps Google is trying to control the internet...that would be a conspiracy theory worthy of removal?  :-\
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 11, 2019, 09:48:44 PM
WTF? Surely, you can't be serious?

Walt is right though. YouTube is not violating anyone's constitutional rights with this.

Walt is right though. YouTube is not violating anyone's constitutional rights with this.

Geeeez ... I'm right when i'm being sarcastic.....   But when i'm presenting facts, I'm wrong....  Unbelievable.....

YouTube said in the post that the action is meant to "reduce the spread of content that comes close to — but doesn’t quite cross the line of — violating" its community policies. The examples the company cited include "promoting a phony miracle cure for a serious illness, claiming the earth is flat, or making blatantly false claims about historic events like 9/11."

The examples the company cited include "promoting a phony miracle cure for a serious illness,"

So YouTube  execs think they are intellectually superior and need to protect us inferior  pissants......   Is this the kind of "land of the free" we crow about??

Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 11, 2019, 10:04:31 PM
WTF? Surely, you can't be serious?

Walt is right though. YouTube is not violating anyone's constitutional rights with this.

Perhaps, perhaps not.  But don’t call me surely.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 11, 2019, 10:08:27 PM
Perhaps, perhaps not.  But don’t call me surely.

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Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 11, 2019, 10:17:07 PM
Thumb1:


^5
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 11, 2019, 10:19:30 PM
WTF? Surely, you can't be serious?

Walt is right though. YouTube is not violating anyone's constitutional rights with this.

Very accurate. Videos are still there.  Just won’t be promoted.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Royell Storing on February 11, 2019, 10:28:51 PM
Very accurate. Videos are still there.  Just won’t be promoted.

     This is ALL about Controlling the flow of communication/information. All directed at influencing the 2020 Pres. Election.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Jack Trojan on February 11, 2019, 10:48:51 PM
What Google is responding to is the Fake News business used in cyber warfare, primarily by the rooskies as a propaganda campaign to get Trump elected. The rooskies specifically targeted the Blue Wall States needed to win the electoral college and the election.

The rooskies may have tipped the scales in Trump's favor but what put him over the top was GOP voter suppression tactics along the Blue Wall. Trump won those 4 States by less than 50,000 votes, however, there were over a million disenfranchised voters, primarily of color whose names got onto a voter list as part of the GOP "Crosscheck" program. This was a list of duplicate names that they could disenfranchise at their discretion to ensure the same person did not vote twice, especially if they were Democrats. The GOP's shtick being that duplicate names targets more black people than whites and most blacks are Democrats. Besides, the GOP could wade thru the list any way they wanted and skip all the white duplicate GOP voters.

Match this up with gerrymandered districts and the GOP knew which duplicates to keep and which were likely stinking Democrats, that they could disenfranchise. They could even phone them up and ask which party they were affiliated with. Among the millions of voters suppressed along the Blue Wall, how many Democrats were among them? More than 50,000 or 5%? More likely 800,000 or 80% Democrats comprised that list. And how much did the rooskies effect the vote? Enough, apparently for Trump to be Putin's puppet. This voter suppression/rooskie double bill was obviously extremely effective. Worked for Trumputin.

If you want to understand the cyber-tactics of the rooskies, then look into Cambridge Analytica. Under Bannon's direction they used the Facebook data to profile users to define Trump's policies and the rooskie propaganda campaign.

I'm sure Google would ban my post since I am obviously a Fake News CT. And don't get me started on 9/11!
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Royell Storing on February 11, 2019, 10:56:38 PM
What Google is responding to is the Fake News business used in cyber warfare, primarily by the rooskies as a propaganda campaign to get Trump elected. The rooskies specifically targeted the Blue Wall States needed to win the electoral college and the election.

The rooskies may have tipped the scales in Trump's favor but what put him over the top was GOP voter suppression tactics along the Blue Wall. Trump won those 4 States by less than 50,000 votes, however, there were over a million disenfranchised voters, primarily of color whose names got onto a voter list as part of the GOP "Crosscheck" program. This was a list of duplicate names that they could disenfranchise at their discretion to ensure the same person didn't not vote twice, especially if they were Democrats. The GOP's shtick being that duplicate names targets more black people than whites and most blacks are Democrats. Besides, the GOP could wade thru the list any way they wanted and skip all the white duplicate GOP voters.

Match this up with gerrymandered districts and the GOP knew which duplicates to keep and which were likely stinking Democrats, which they could disenfranchise. They could even phone them up and ask which party they were affiliated with. Out of the million voters suppressed from voting along the Blue Wall, how many Democrats were among them? More than 50,000 or 5%? More likely 800,000 or 80% Democrats comprised that list. And how much did the rooskies effect the vote? Enough, apparently for Trump to be Putin's puppet. This voter suppression/rooskie double bill was obviously extremely effective. Worked for Trumputin.

If you want to understand the cyber-tactics of the rooskies, then look into Cambridge Analytica. Under Bannon's direction they used the Facebook data to profile users to define Trump's policies and the rooskie propaganda campaign.

I'm sure Google would ban this post since I am obviously a Fake News CT. And don't get me started on 9/11!

                Trump won the Blue Wall States because Hillary/Dems took them for granted and they Failed to campaign there. The "Rooskies" stuff and "voter suppression" is just an excuse for their having ignored those states. Pure & Simple Dem. ARROGANCE.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 11, 2019, 10:56:58 PM
You give entirely to much credit to stupid people. Example:  motorcycle helmet laws. Some states have them, some don’t. Studies show, helmets save lives. I rode a bike for some 30 years.  Would never ride without one.  Stupid people still do.  Same people seeking medical advice on YouTube.  Once again, anti-intellectual.

 motorcycle helmet laws. Some states have them, some don’t. Studies show, helmets save lives.

I also have been a rider for a half century...  I wear a helmet.   But It's not the governments place to force a rider to wear a helmet....But insurance companies have the money to control lawmakers....   Thus misguided politicians with their hands out create the laws. 

Most states also have seat belt laws  .... I'd hasten to point out that someone riding in a car without his seat belt is much safer than a person riding a motorcycle with a helmet.... 

It's not the governments place to censor YouTube videos.....
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Jack Trojan on February 11, 2019, 11:27:54 PM
                Trump won the Blue Wall States because Hillary/Dems took them for granted and they Failed to campaign there. The "Rooskies" stuff and "voter suppression" is just an excuse for their having ignored those states. Pure & Simple Dem. ARROGANCE.

You need to get over this Dem arrogance thing and open your eyes. I am not a Democrat but your GOP is not my GOP because unlike you, I have not been co-opted by Trump.

It's probably true that Hillary could have thwarted the rooskie/voter suppression effect on the Blue Wall, but you seem to think that rooskie/voter suppression had zero effect on the election. It got Trump elected POTUS for cripes sakes. It's not about your hate on for Hillary and the Dems! Otherwise, Trump didn't have a hope in hell since he lost the popular vote by over 3 mil. His win had to target the electoral college where the votes from some states had more weight than others. How democratic is that?

You seem to be in denial re the GOP voter suppression/rooskie connection. If you drank the Orange Koolaid then I have nothing left to say to you except that you have been duped my friend, hoodwinked, buffaloed! But you will eventually come to your senses and realize what a lying sack of sh*t your imperial leader is and that he is the most corrupt SOB on the planet, let alone leader of the free world. So you have no qualms about the most stable genius in the world issuing the go code to nuke another country, giving the next in command 4 minutes to refute his orders? If that is the case, then YOU are a major part of the problem.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 11, 2019, 11:38:12 PM
Very accurate. Videos are still there.  Just won’t be promoted.

Oh, thank goodness.... Then would you please post Domingo Benavides You Tube video?.....
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 11, 2019, 11:40:41 PM
Spoken as a devout conspiracy theorist.  Congrats.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 11, 2019, 11:49:03 PM
motorcycle helmet laws. Some states have them, some don’t. Studies show, helmets save lives.

I also have been a rider for a half century...  I wear a helmet.   But It's not the governments place to force a rider to wear a helmet....But insurance companies have the money to control lawmakers....   Thus misguided politicians with their hands out create the laws. 

Most states also have seat belt laws  .... I'd hasten to point out that someone riding in a car without his seat belt is much safer than a person riding a motorcycle with a helmet.... 

It's not the governments place to censor YouTube videos.....

So, helmet laws are a conspiracy between insurance companies and the government.  And it’s ANOTHER conspiracy as you believe the government is censoring YouTube videos when even YouTube is not censoring their own videos. Videos are still available on YouTube; they are no longer being promoted.  Walt, you have to get something right.  Anything.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 11, 2019, 11:55:38 PM
Jingos and automatic government-backers always cheer on censorship...No problem if it is the destruction of American Constitutional rights...

Government backer?  Wow, sounds very conspiratorial.  The usual ramblings by one who typically blames the government for his/her station in life yet will accept no responsibility......other than blaming that same government. How is Google not promoting the mental illness which describes your life censorship? They’ve removed no videos, so where is this censorship? Stop promoting your lack of mental health. Google is now doing that exact thing.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 12, 2019, 12:11:18 AM
So, helmet laws are a conspiracy between insurance companies and the government.  And it’s ANOTHER conspiracy as you believe the government is censoring YouTube videos when even YouTube is not censoring their own videos. Videos are still available on YouTube; they are no longer being promoted.  Walt, you have to get something right.  Anything.

Walt, you have to get something right.  Anything.

OK Paul, But first I need to know if you are still soiling your skivvies  frequently?
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 12, 2019, 12:24:48 AM
Walt, you have to get something right.  Anything.

OK Paul, But first I need to know if you are still soiling your skivvies  frequently?

Walt, learn from this.  No amount of deflection will deter from your continued, everyday errors/lies you push on this blog. Each time your deceit is uncovered which at this point is now a daily routine and pointed out to you, rather than admit the mistake or show any contrition at all, you comeback with something even dumber as evidenced above. Fortunately, those on line can just “click” you off and ignore. Your family has to live with you.  We don’t.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Royell Storing on February 12, 2019, 12:26:55 AM
You need to get over this Dem arrogance thing and open your eyes. I am not a Democrat but your GOP is not my GOP because unlike you, I have not been co-opted by Trump.

It's probably true that Hillary could have thwarted the rooskie/voter suppression effect on the Blue Wall, but you seem to think that rooskie/voter suppression had zero effect on the election. It got Trump elected POTUS for cripes sakes. It's not about your hate on for Hillary and the Dems! Otherwise, Trump didn't have a hope in hell since he lost the popular vote by over 3 mil. His win had to target the electoral college where the votes from some states had more weight than others. How democratic is that?

You seem to be in denial re the GOP voter suppression/rooskie connection. If you drank the Orange Koolaid then I have nothing left to say to you except that you have been duped my friend, hoodwinked, buffaloed! But you will eventually come to your senses and realize what a lying sack of sh*t your imperial leader is and that he is the most corrupt SOB on the planet, let alone leader of the free world. So you have no qualms about the most stable genius in the world issuing the go code to nuke another country, giving the next in command 4 minutes to refute his orders? If that is the case, then YOU are a major part of the problem.

      STOP being naivete. "Gerrymandering" was going on well before either You or I was born. Same goes for your sophomoric weeping about "voter suppression". Neither party has a monopoly on attempting to "Suppress" the vote. Both parties have their finger prints all over this tactic.  As for your claim about Trump losing the popular vote, Trump WON the popular vote in 49 states. Hillary won Kooky Calif . As Casey Stengle would say, "You can look it up".
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 12, 2019, 12:51:13 AM
Walt, learn from this.  No amount of deflection will deter from your continued, everyday errors/lies you push on this blog. Each time your deceit is uncovered which at this point is now a daily routine and pointed out to you, rather than admit the mistake or show any contrition at all, you comeback with something even dumber as evidenced above. Fortunately, those on line can just “click” you off and ignore. Your family has to live with you.  We don’t.

Paul,    Learn from this....  Simply because you view the glass as half full, and I say it's half empty does not mean that you're right..... 

However, when we both can view evidence and see with our own eyes that you are desperately attempting to hammer a square peg in a round hole ( actually you're attempting to present a nearly pristine bullet as the projectile that shattered JBC's rib and wrist  and only lost a tiny fraction of it's original weight, and remained in nearly pristine condition.)    I'm here to tell ya Paul.... that idea is INSANE! 
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 12, 2019, 12:54:39 AM
      STOP being naivete. "Gerrymandering" was going on well before either You or I was born. Same goes for your sophomoric weeping about "voter suppression". Neither party has a monopoly on attempting to "Suppress" the vote. Both parties have their finger prints all over this tactic.  As for your claim about Trump losing the popular vote, Trump WON the popular vote in 49 states. Hillary won Kooky Calif . As Casey Stengle would say, "You can look it up".

Thanks, I did look it up.  By doing so, it appears you’re either a teller of non truths, or misinformed.  I believe, as the kook you are, it’s likely the former.  Trump took 30 states as the Republican candidate, while Hillary Clinton sealed 20. Trump's ability to win over voters in crucial states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin -- all states that went for former President Barack Obama in 2012 -- sealed his fate as the successful winner of the 2016 election and next president of the United States.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 12, 2019, 01:01:16 AM
Paul,    Learn from this....  Simply because you view the glass as half full, and I say it's half empty does not mean that you're right..... 

However, when we both can view evidence and see with our own eyes that you are desperately attempting to hammer a square peg in a round hole ( actually you're attempting to present a nearly pristine bullet as the projectile that shattered JBC's rib and wrist  and only lost a tiny fraction of it's original weight, and remained in nearly pristine condition.)    I'm here to tell ya Paul.... that idea is INSANE!

Walt, ONCE again you are in error. Firstly, only a bullet NEVER fired can be pristine.  There is NO such thing as “nearly” pristine.  It’s an oxymoron.  Secondly, we have no way of knowing the weight of CE-399 before the shooting as even bullets from the same lots at manufacture can be significantly different in weight.  Hence, there is NO way of knowing how much weight was lost.  You simply read conspiracy crap and repeat the same BS. Ever done any actual research Walt?
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Royell Storing on February 12, 2019, 01:28:09 AM
Thanks, I did look it up.  By doing so, it appears you’re either a teller of non truths, or misinformed.  I believe, as the kook you are, it’s likely the former.  Trump took 30 states as the Republican candidate, while Hillary Clinton sealed 20. Trump's ability to win over voters in crucial states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin -- all states that went for former President Barack Obama in 2012 -- sealed his fate as the successful winner of the 2016 election and next president of the United States.

     :D  :D  :D  You are obviously WAY Over your head when it comes to politics. Completely Remove/Subtract Kooky Calif from the Total vote, and Trump Wins the Total Popular Vote over the remaining 49 states.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Jack Trojan on February 12, 2019, 01:35:25 AM
      STOP being naivete. "Gerrymandering" was going on well before either You or I was born. Same goes for your sophomoric weeping about "voter suppression". Neither party has a monopoly on attempting to "Suppress" the vote. Both parties have their finger prints all over this tactic.  As for your claim about Trump losing the popular vote, Trump WON the popular vote in 49 states. Hillary won Kooky Calif . As Casey Stengle would say, "You can look it up".

You mean naive, not naivete. And holy sh*t are you Trumptard hold-outs ever naive. Of course gerrymandering was going on before we were born and who was it aimed at?  Democrats of course. https://www.thedailybeast.com/republicans-admit-voter-id-laws-are-aimed-at-democratic-voters (https://www.thedailybeast.com/republicans-admit-voter-id-laws-are-aimed-at-democratic-voters).  So Trump lost the popular vote because of the 3 mil illegal voters in CA? :D You have truly drank the Orange Koolaid my friend, good luck with that in 2020!
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 12, 2019, 01:38:30 AM
     :D  :D  :D  You are obviously WAY Over your head when it comes to politics. Completely Remove/Subtract Kooky Calif from the Total vote, and Trump Wins the Total Popular Vote over the remaining 49 states.

Hey genius, your claim was “Trump won the popular vote in 49 states”.  That is YOUR quote.  And it’s a blatant lie. He won the popular vote in 30 states, not 49. You actually don’t understand the math do You?
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 12, 2019, 02:00:28 AM
Paul,    Learn from this....  Simply because you view the glass as half full, and I say it's half empty does not mean that you're right..... 

However, when we both can view evidence and see with our own eyes that you are desperately attempting to hammer a square peg in a round hole ( actually you're attempting to present a nearly pristine bullet as the projectile that shattered JBC's rib and wrist  and only lost a tiny fraction of it's original weight, and remained in nearly pristine condition.)    I'm here to tell ya Paul.... that idea is INSANE!

Post the CE 399 image. I dare you...
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Oscar Navarro on February 12, 2019, 02:54:31 AM
                Trump won the Blue Wall States because Hillary/Dems took them for granted and they Failed to campaign there. The "Rooskies" stuff and "voter suppression" is just an excuse for their having ignored those states. Pure & Simple Dem. ARROGANCE.

 Thumb1: and in 2020 the Dems are going to lose the same states due to pandering to the far left.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Royell Storing on February 12, 2019, 05:01:41 PM
You mean naive, not naivete. And holy sh*t are you Trumptard hold-outs ever naive. Of course gerrymandering was going on before we were born and who was it aimed at?  Democrats of course. https://www.thedailybeast.com/republicans-admit-voter-id-laws-are-aimed-at-democratic-voters (https://www.thedailybeast.com/republicans-admit-voter-id-laws-are-aimed-at-democratic-voters).  So Trump lost the popular vote because of the 3 mil illegal voters in CA? :D You have truly drank the Orange Koolaid my friend, good luck with that in 2020!

     The number of possible "illegal" votes cast in Calif is immaterial. The point is THAT single state tilted the winner of the Total votes cast in the election. Trump won the popular vote Total in the Other 49 states. Calif is a complete mess. San Fran permits defecating in the streets, and then daily Pays crews to clean it up. Now that they have a new Gov manning that pencil with the Big Eraser on the end means we will see how long it takes for the skeletons to begin falling out of the closet. It was Not that long ago that massive rolling Black Outs were mandated there. The current mass exodus in that Sanctuary State speaks for itself.   
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 12, 2019, 10:08:49 PM
Walt, ONCE again you are in error. Firstly, only a bullet NEVER fired can be pristine.  There is NO such thing as “nearly” pristine.  It’s an oxymoron.  Secondly, we have no way of knowing the weight of CE-399 before the shooting as even bullets from the same lots at manufacture can be significantly different in weight.  Hence, there is NO way of knowing how much weight was lost.  You simply read conspiracy crap and repeat the same BS. Ever done any actual research Walt?

we have no way of knowing the weight of CE-399 before the shooting as even bullets from the same lots at manufacture can be significantly different in weight.

You are simply a teller of non truths, Mr May....  Bullets CANNOT be "significantly different in weight".... To make such a statement is asinine. I will look up the manufacturing spec for a 6.5mm 160 grain bullet and report back....

I found this interesting bit of information.....

 the standard Italian service round used an unstable round-nosed bullet with a propensity to tumble, whether hitting soft tissue/ballistic gel or harder material such as bone.

The liars on LBJ's Cover Up Committee would like us to believe that CE 399 hit JFK ....then Hit JBC rib and then his wrist and remained in nearly pristine condition....

I believe that a 160 grain FMJ 6.5mm Carcano bullet could weigh between 158.8 grains and  161.2 grains .....  That is NOT a SIGNIFICANT difference.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Jack Trojan on February 12, 2019, 11:31:07 PM
     The number of possible "illegal" votes cast in Calif is immaterial. The point is THAT single state tilted the winner of the Total votes cast in the election. Trump won the popular vote Total in the Other 49 states. Calif is a complete mess. San Fran permits defecating in the streets, and then daily Pays crews to clean it up. Now that they have a new Gov manning that pencil with the Big Eraser on the end means we will see how long it takes for the skeletons to begin falling out of the closet. It was Not that long ago that massive rolling Black Outs were mandated there. The current mass exodus in that Sanctuary State speaks for itself.

Trump only won the popular vote in 30 states, not 49. But because of the electoral college the only states that mattered were Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. I didn't vote for Clinton but I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for a bullshitting sociopath that was so far up Putin's ass he could see Sarah Palin's house. What I don't get is why the GOP STILL loves him even though they know he's been in bed with the commies for decades. A couple at his last rally were wearing t-shirts that said "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat". It's come to this. Sad.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Royell Storing on February 13, 2019, 12:17:01 AM
Trump only won the popular vote in 30 states, not 49. But because of the electoral college the only states that mattered were Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. I didn't vote for Clinton but I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for a bullshitting sociopath that was so far up Putin's ass he could see Sarah Palin's house. What I don't get is why the GOP STILL loves him even though they know he's been in bed with the commies for decades. A couple at his last rally were wearing t-shirts that said "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat". It's come to this. Sad.

     Fitting that today the new Kooky Calif Gov cancelled that boondoggle Bullet Train.  Billions $$$ Over budget and decades behind schedule.
     1 of the Many side effects of Trump Derangement Syndrome is the loss of a sense of humor. It is never too late to seek help.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 13, 2019, 01:17:29 AM
we have no way of knowing the weight of CE-399 before the shooting as even bullets from the same lots at manufacture can be significantly different in weight.

You are simply a teller of non truths, Mr May....  Bullets CANNOT be "significantly different in weight".... To make such a statement is asinine. I will look up the manufacturing spec for a 6.5mm 160 grain bullet and report back....

I found this interesting bit of information.....

 the standard Italian service round used an unstable round-nosed bullet with a propensity to tumble, whether hitting soft tissue/ballistic gel or harder material such as bone.

The liars on LBJ's Cover Up Committee would like us to believe that CE 399 hit JFK ....then Hit JBC rib and then his wrist and remained in nearly pristine condition....

I believe that a 160 grain FMJ 6.5mm Carcano bullet could weigh between 158.8 grains and  161.2 grains .....  That is NOT a SIGNIFICANT difference.

Walt, do you have even an elementary understanding of ballistics? Have you done ANY actual research?  I’ve asked you about your research methodology several times and you’ve not responded.  You’re not shy but I understand why.  Speak with ANY ammunition manufacturer/distributor. The differences in grain, from the VERY same lot can be dramatic. Nobody on our planet can testify to the specific weight of CE-399 before firing other than conspiracy nuts like you and you confirm this with each posting. Perhaps, at some point you fell off your motorcycle.  Should have worn a helmet.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Tom Scully on February 13, 2019, 01:22:59 AM
Walt, do you have even an elementary understanding of ballistics? Have you done ANY actual research?  I’ve asked you about your research methodology several times and you’ve not responded.  You’re not shy but I understand why.  Speak with ANY ammunition manufacturer/distributor. The differences in grain, from the VERY same lot can be dramatic. Nobody on our planet can testify to the specific weight of CE-399 before firing other than conspiracy nuts like you and you confirm this with each posting. Perhaps, at some point you fell off your motorcycle.  Should have worn a helmet.

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https://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/18/us/fbi-backs-plan-to-remove-connally-bullet-fragments.html
F.B.I. Backs Plan to Remove Connally Bullet Fragments
By DAVID JOHNSTON  JUNE 18, 1993

The F.B.I. today endorsed the idea of removing bullet fragments from John B. Connally, the former Texas Governor who died Tuesday, in the hope of laying to rest the controversy over the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

Mr. Connally, who was buried today at a state cemetery near Austin, Tex., was wounded in the back, wrist and thigh while riding with Kennedy in a Dallas motorcade when the President was killed on Nov. 22, 1963.

Officials of the Federal Bureau of Investigation here and in Dallas said they favored exhuming the body and trying to recover the fragments if the Connally family consented. "If the family will allow this to be done, we could put this to rest," said Oliver B. Revell, the head of the F.B.I. office in Dallas. "Conspiracy theorists are not going to let this go away."

Mr. Revell said there was a fragment in one of Mr. Connally's thighs and perhaps some traces in a wrist. An examination of the fragments could test the single-bullet theory accepted by the Warren Commission, which investigated the assassination. The panel concluded that a single gunman, Lee Harvey Oswald, fired all of the shots that hit the President and Mr. Connally as they rode in the motorcade in Dallas.

The panel found that Kennedy and Governor Connally were struck nearly simultaneously by a single bullet, seconds before the President was struck by a fatal shot to the head.....
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1993/06/18/connally-takes-bullet-pieces-to-grave/1cab4644-c1be-4499-8d85-ed3bae858d17/?utm_term=.df47926fe62f
CONNALLY TAKES BULLET PIECES TO GRAVE
By George Lardner Jr. June 18, 1993.....
The "single bullet" or "magic bullet" theory was crucial to the Warren Commission's findings that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, killed the president and wounded Connally as the two men rode together in a motorcade through downtown Dallas.

Connally's family and friends were upset and angry about the last-minute hubbub over the bullet fragments, which began Wednesday with requests from Kennedy assassination researchers urging the Justice Department to step in. A spokesman at Justice said officials attempted to contact the family yesterday morning after receiving the FBI recommendation but were unsuccessful.

"It's really offensive," said George Christian, a longtime Connally friend and once his press secretary. "Nobody in the Connally family that I know of ever heard of these fragments......

"If the family would agree and we can examine those under current technology," Revell said, "we could do one of two things. We could say, 'Yes, indeed, this was the bullet {that hit both men} and there is no basis for saying there were additional shots. But if the mass and metallurgy don't match, we've got a different ballgame."

Some bullet fragments were extracted from Connally's wrist at Parkland Hospital in 1963. Tests in 1977 for the House assassinations committee matched several bits with the "pristine bullet," but questions about the authenticity of the pieces arose because they did not have the same weight as fragments tested years earlier -- and inconclusively -- by the FBI. The FBI's fragments disappeared....

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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/zimmerman/frontmenu_000025.htm
Chad Zimmerman © Copyright 2004.
.....
The Western Cartridge Company Carcano Round ....
...WCC 6.5mm FMJ data:
 
Bullet Weight- Several sources can be used to ascertain the bullet weight. Dr. John K. Lattimer weighed 100 WCC bullets. The average weight was 160.844 grains. The bullets ranged in weight between 159.9 and 161.5 grains. The spread equals 1.6 grains. Tom Purvis, assassination researcher, acquired a few rounds and was able to weigh them. He weighed 12 rounds and found the average weight to be 160.497 grains. The FBI analysis of the WCC rounds produced a small sample for consideration. Agent Robert Frazier weighed three rounds for comparative analysis and found the weights to be 160.85, 161.1 and 161.5 grains for an average weight of 161.15 grains. I have one round, lot unidentified, which weighs 161.6 grains. Utilizing the above data, we can develop an effective average and range. 
 
WCC mean weight- 160.82 grains
WCC weight range- 159.9-161.6 grains
WCC spread- 1.7 grains ..
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/factoid7.htm
Unreliable Ammo?

...In separate tests, the Infantry Weapons Evaluation Branch of the U.S. Army fired another 47 bullets, with no misfires. (3H449)
But the Warren Commission tests were not the last.

Dr. John Nichols and Dr. John Lattimer independently did extensive shooting tests with Mannlicher-Carcano rifles and the same lots of ammo that Oswald used. Lattimer summarized the results:

Our final question concerned Oswald's ammunition: Was it reliable? To test this, we fired 700 rounds of the same type of cartridge as those used by Oswald (from sub-lots 6000, 6001, 6002, 6003), manufactured by the Western Cartridge Company, a branch of the Winchester Repeating Arms Company, in the same year as those used by Oswald.
None of these rounds failed to fire, even though an additional four years had elapsed since the Kennedy shooting, making this ammunition thirteen years old at the time of the testing. Dr. John Nichols had reported the same degree of dependability, and the FBI agents [and Army shooters] who fired ammunition from lots 6000 and 6003 with Oswald's rifle more than 100 times also reported no failures to fire. These various samples represented every lot manufactured, so they much have included the lot from which Oswald's ammunition came.

In all, more than 900 rounds of this Western Cartridge Company 6.5 mm. ammunition have been fired in our experiments and those of others without a single failure to fire on the first attempt. (Kennedy and Lincoln, pp. 288-289)...
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 13, 2019, 01:30:28 AM


Good posting Tom.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 13, 2019, 01:43:18 AM
we have no way of knowing the weight of CE-399 before the shooting as even bullets from the same lots at manufacture can be significantly different in weight.

You are simply a teller of non truths, Mr May....  Bullets CANNOT be "significantly different in weight".... To make such a statement is asinine. I will look up the manufacturing spec for a 6.5mm 160 grain bullet and report back....

I found this interesting bit of information.....

 the standard Italian service round used an unstable round-nosed bullet with a propensity to tumble, whether hitting soft tissue/ballistic gel or harder material such as bone.

The liars on LBJ's Cover Up Committee would like us to believe that CE 399 hit JFK ....then Hit JBC rib and then his wrist and remained in nearly pristine condition....

I believe that a 160 grain FMJ 6.5mm Carcano bullet could weigh between 158.8 grains and  161.2 grains .....  That is NOT a SIGNIFICANT difference.

So, some 56 years AFTER the event, you now found out CE-399 was tumbling! Hint for you genius, it’s not unusual for a FMJ’d bullet to tumble after going through soft tissue.  Of course, when one, YOU, does no actual research, that remains an unknown. It’s no doubt apparent to those reading this exchange you have little actual knowledge of the events of 11/22.  That happens when all you do is read conspiracy crap. Once again, near pristine is an oxymoron. CE-399 was considerably “bowed” in the center and “tooth pasting” lead from the bottom. RESEARCH big man, research!
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 13, 2019, 01:45:23 AM
Walt, do you have even an elementary understanding of ballistics? Have you done ANY actual research?  I’ve asked you about your research methodology several times and you’ve not responded.  You’re not shy but I understand why.  Speak with ANY ammunition manufacturer/distributor. The differences in grain, from the VERY same lot can be dramatic. Nobody on our planet can testify to the specific weight of CE-399 before firing other than conspiracy nuts like you and you confirm this with each posting. Perhaps, at some point you fell off your motorcycle.  Should have worn a helmet.

My friend Tom Scully posted the information that I was looking  for.....

The Western Cartridge Company Carcano Round ....
...WCC 6.5mm FMJ data:
 
Bullet Weight- Several sources can be used to ascertain the bullet weight. Dr. John K. Lattimer weighed 100 WCC bullets. The average weight was 160.844 grains. The bullets ranged in weight between 159.9 and 161.5 grains. The spread equals 1.6 grains. Tom Purvis, assassination researcher, acquired a few rounds and was able to weigh them. He weighed 12 rounds and found the average weight to be 160.497 grains. The FBI analysis of the WCC rounds produced a small sample for consideration. Agent Robert Frazier weighed three rounds for comparative analysis and found the weights to be 160.85, 161.1 and 161.5 grains for an average weight of 161.15 grains. I have one round, lot unidentified, which weighs 161.6 grains. Utilizing the above data, we can develop an effective average and range. 
 
WCC mean weight- 160.82 grains
WCC weight range- 159.9-161.6 grains
WCC spread- 1.7 grains ..

The differences in grain, from the VERY same lot can be dramatic.

What would be dramatic would be the results of firing ammo that used projectiles of SIGNIFICANTLY different weights....If the Axis alliance had used 6.5mm carcano bullets of SIGNIFICANTLY different weights ..... Italy would have been defeated in 1942....And the casualties of Allied soldiers would have been far less....                 
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 13, 2019, 01:50:17 AM
My friend Tom Scully posted the information that I was looking  for.....

The Western Cartridge Company Carcano Round ....
...WCC 6.5mm FMJ data:
 
Bullet Weight- Several sources can be used to ascertain the bullet weight. Dr. John K. Lattimer weighed 100 WCC bullets. The average weight was 160.844 grains. The bullets ranged in weight between 159.9 and 161.5 grains. The spread equals 1.6 grains. Tom Purvis, assassination researcher, acquired a few rounds and was able to weigh them. He weighed 12 rounds and found the average weight to be 160.497 grains. The FBI analysis of the WCC rounds produced a small sample for consideration. Agent Robert Frazier weighed three rounds for comparative analysis and found the weights to be 160.85, 161.1 and 161.5 grains for an average weight of 161.15 grains. I have one round, lot unidentified, which weighs 161.6 grains. Utilizing the above data, we can develop an effective average and range. 
 
WCC mean weight- 160.82 grains
WCC weight range- 159.9-161.6 grains
WCC spread- 1.7 grains ..

The differences in grain, from the VERY same lot can be dramatic.

What would be dramatic would be the results of firing ammo that used projectiles of SIGNIFICANTLY different weights....If the Axis alliance had used 6.5mm carcano bullets of SIGNIFICANTLY different weights ..... Italy would have been defeated in 1942....And the casualties of Allied soldiers would have been far less....                 

And this would be your latest research? An opinion? Seriously?
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Jack Trojan on February 13, 2019, 02:19:47 AM
So, some 56 years AFTER the event, you now found out CE-399 was tumbling! Hint for you genius, it’s not unusual for a FMJ’d bullet to tumble after going through soft tissue.  Of course, when one, YOU, does no actual research, that remains an unknown. It’s no doubt apparent to those reading this exchange you have little actual knowledge of the events of 11/22.  That happens when all you do is read conspiracy crap. Once again, near pristine is an oxymoron. CE-399 was considerably “bowed” in the center and “tooth pasting” lead from the bottom. RESEARCH big man, research!

Paul, the bottom line is to account for the total mass of CE-399 after the shooting. Connally denied access to the fragments in his wrist and rib upon his death so we can only speculate how much material was left in his body. It also smashed thru JFK's C7 vertebrae so there was probably material left there. However, despite these discrepancies, CE-399 was pristine (95% intact). So how much mass was actually lost? Was it more than 5% of the total mass or was CE-399 "pristine"? That is the question.

Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 13, 2019, 03:38:55 AM
Paul, the bottom line is to account for the total mass of CE-399 after the shooting. Connally denied access to the fragments in his wrist and rib upon his death so we can only speculate how much material was left in his body. It also smashed thru JFK's C7 vertebrae so there was probably material left there. However, despite these discrepancies, CE-399 was pristine (95% intact). So how much mass was actually lost? Was it more than 5% of the total mass or was CE-399 "pristine"? That is the question.

Impossible Jack, cannot be done. No fired bullet can EVER be called pristine. Typically the grooves in the rifle barrel would see to that. Have you seen the photos of CE-399?  Balistically, it’s a completely deformed bullet. Look at the photos top to bottom.  I have no information how much mass was lost. I do know CE-399 behaved in a manner consistent with fmj’d ammunition.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Royell Storing on February 13, 2019, 06:14:18 AM

                Humes did Not buy into the SBT for the exact reason being currently discussed. CE-399's minor grain loss issue. You guys wantta swear by Humes until he refutes your position. Then the guy is incompetent. Humes had people looking over his shoulder with regard to his work on the body of JFK & his Autopsy Report.  Outside of that he was somewhat of a chatter box. His ARRB Testimony Verified the autopsy starting at roughly 1845 which corroborated Sgt Boyajian's Official MD 236 of an 1835 JFK body arrival at Bethesda. Of course, Jackie and the Empty Coffin did Not arrive at the Bethesda gate until 1900. 
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 13, 2019, 12:55:34 PM
Impossible Jack, cannot be done. No fired bullet can EVER be called pristine. Typically the grooves in the rifle barrel would see to that. Have you seen the photos of CE-399?  Balistically, it’s a completely deformed bullet. Look at the photos top to bottom.  I have no information how much mass was lost. I do know CE-399 behaved in a manner consistent with fmj’d ammunition.

I do know CE-399 behaved in a manner consistent with fmj’d ammunition.

Not according to experts....Who say... "the standard Italian service round used an unstable round-nosed bullet with a propensity to tumble, whether hitting soft tissue/ballistic gel or harder material such as bone."
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Paul May on February 15, 2019, 12:53:06 AM
I am an expert and I disagree with your experts.
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Steve Howsley on February 15, 2019, 05:20:37 AM
Paul, the bottom line is to account for the total mass of CE-399 after the shooting. Connally denied access to the fragments in his wrist and rib upon his death so we can only speculate how much material was left in his body. It also smashed thru JFK's C7 vertebrae so there was probably material left there. However, despite these discrepancies, CE-399 was pristine (95% intact). So how much mass was actually lost? Was it more than 5% of the total mass or was CE-399 "pristine"? That is the question.

You've seen photos of CE-399?

How can that be called pristine? If it's not pristine why are you even open to that notion? It's no wonder that after 54 years this case based on original evidence and testimony hasn't advanced in any significant way.

Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Tom Scully on February 15, 2019, 06:06:28 AM
I am an expert and I disagree with your experts.
You've seen photos of CE-399?

How can that be called pristine? If it's not pristine why are you even open to that notion? It's no wonder that after 54 years this case based on original evidence and testimony hasn't advanced in any significant way.

Help me refresh my memory....we are debating whether a bullet with woefully sketchy verifiable evidentiary chain is or is not "pristine"?
My reasearch indicates the relevant question is along the lines of, "why do you believe or accept CE-399 is linked to the JFK Assassination"?
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/B%20Disk/Bullet%20CE-399%2012-76%20Release/Item%2004.pdf
(http://jfkforum.com/images/OswaldCE399idTomlinsonWright062464.jpg)

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/B%20Disk/Bullet%20CE-399/Item%2006.pdf
(https://www.history-matters.com/essays/frameup/EvenMoreMagical/images/Slide5-1.GIF)
(https://www.history-matters.com/essays/frameup/EvenMoreMagical/images/Slide5-2.GIF)
Title: Re: YouTube no longer recommending conspiracy videos
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 15, 2019, 05:14:28 PM
Help me refresh my memory....we are debating whether a bullet with woefully sketchy verifiable evidentiary chain is or is not "pristine"?
My reasearch indicates the relevant question is along the lines of, "why do you believe or accept CE-399 is linked to the JFK Assassination"?
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/B%20Disk/Bullet%20CE-399%2012-76%20Release/Item%2004.pdf
(http://jfkforum.com/images/OswaldCE399idTomlinsonWright062464.jpg)

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/B%20Disk/Bullet%20CE-399/Item%2006.pdf
(https://www.history-matters.com/essays/frameup/EvenMoreMagical/images/Slide5-1.GIF)
(https://www.history-matters.com/essays/frameup/EvenMoreMagical/images/Slide5-2.GIF)

Yes....Some folks who have an agenda to support the THEORY that CE 399 was the ONLY projectile that struck both JFK and JBC and remained in remarkable good condition after striking several bones , quibble over the use of the word "pristine" in describing the bullet.      Those folks either have a hidden agenda or they are ignorant about  they appearance of spent bullets.    CE 399 appears to be in better condition than some bullets that I have seen that have been fired into water, or bullet traps.   I have seen FMJ bullets that were fired into pine wood that are much more mangled than CE 399 which according to the THEORY struck JBC rib and Wrist bone.   The Supporters of that ridiculous,  asinine, THEORY try to deflect the critics by focusing on the definition of the word "pristine"...   Apparently they are not even smart enough to realize the transparency of their tactic ......