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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Oscar Navarro on January 26, 2019, 04:06:27 PM
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I'm asking all forum members to give their opinion on things like how the following persons influenced Lee Harvey Oswald. By influence I mean it in the broadest of terms. What I'm interested mostly is in your individual opinion of all, any, or one person. Please note that I'm asking for the comments to be fixed on your opinions of the persons on the list so try to refrain from commenting on what other forum members have to say. Anything that's offered will not be judged by me as there is no right or wrong opinion. What I'm looking for is to see how diverse forum members views are on these people.
1) Marguerite Oswald, the mom.
2)Robert Oswald, the brother.
3) Marina Oswald, the suffering wife.
4) George A. Bouhe, the leader of the Russian expatriate community in Dallas area.
5) George de Mohrenschildt, friend? and mentor to Oswald.
6) Ruth Paine, lonely housewife and friend of Marina Oswald.
I look forward to your input specially that of the forum members who are not regular contributors.
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I'm asking all forum members to give their opinion on things like how the following persons influenced Lee Harvey Oswald. By influence I mean it in the broadest of terms. What I'm interested mostly is in your individual opinion of all, any, or one person. Please note that I'm asking for the comments to be fixed on your opinions of the persons on the list so try to refrain from commenting on what other forum members have to say. Anything that's offered will not be judged by me as there is no right or wrong opinion. What I'm looking for is to see how diverse forum members views are on these people.
1) Marguerite Oswald, the mom.
2)Robert Oswald, the brother.
3) Marina Oswald, the suffering wife.
4) George A. Bouhe, the leader of the Russian expatriate community in Dallas area.
5) George de Mohrenschildt, friend? and mentor to Oswald.
6) Ruth Paine, lonely housewife and friend of Marina Oswald.
I look forward to your input specially that of the forum members who are not regular contributors.
5) George de Mohrenschildt, (TWO FACED) friend? and mentor to ( Sucker) Oswald.
6) Ruth Paine, ( who pretended to be a ) lonely housewife and friend of Marina Oswald. ( and Lee Oswald, but in reality was simply spying on the young couple for J E Hoover, who in his paranoia was convinced that the Oswald's were Russian spies.)
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I want to thank Walt Cakebread for his contribution. I'll begin mine with Marguerite Oswald. Of all the people on the list it was Marguerite who had the major influence on Oswald and that should not come as a surprise. After all she was his mom. Considering how differently Lee turned out to be to his brothers Robert and John Pic there had to be special circumstances in Lee's and Marguerite relationship. Robert and John Pic said the reason Lee joined the Marines was to get away from Marguerite...'to get from out and under....the yoke of oppression from my mother'. I believe that's an accurate observation and a reflection of what motivated both John Pic and Robert Oswald to get out from under Marguerite's control by joining the Coast Guard and the Marines.
Marguerite appears to have been the type of person who needed to depend on others for financial and emotional support but was not willing, or was incapable, of having a healthy and loving relationship with any of her sons and with her third husband, Edwin Ekdahl. This bad relationship with Mr. Ekdahl proved to be very unfortunate as Mr. Ekdahl and Lee got along very well. A stable family life would surely have given Lee a much more positive outlook on life. But with the breakup came much uncertainty and instability for the family. It appears that Marguerite just couldn't handle being a mother and a provider and this didn't help her and the relationship with Lee. It became so bad that at one point, while living in NYC, Lee began exhibiting aggressive behavior towards his aunt and Marguerite herself and Lee became a frequent truant from school, but this didn't seem to bother Marguerite.
It was while Lee was undergoing psychiatric observation at Youth House that he was seen by a Dr. Hartog who diagnosed Lee with suffering from "personality pattern disturbance with schizoid features and passive - aggressive tendencies'. Lee has to be seen as an emotionally quite disturbed youngster who suffers under the impact of really existing emotional isolation and deprivation, lack of affection, absence of family life and rejection by a self involved and conflicted mother." Dr. Hartog went on to recommend that Marguerite get psychotherapeutic help herself. A Youth House social worker who interviewed both Lee and Marguerite concluded that Lee 'just felt that his mother never gave a damn for him' He always felt a burden that she simply had to tolerate' and that Lee admitted to feelings of omnipotence with very aggressive tendencies. To further elaborate on Marguerite's negative influence on Oswald;
"The reports of the New York authorities indicate that Lee's mother gave him very little affection and did not serve as any substitute for a father. Furthermore she did not appear to understand her own relationship to lee's psychological problems. After her interview with Mrs. Oswald, Mrs. Siegel (Evelyn Strickland, see VOL XXI, Siegel Ex 1) described her as a 'smartly dressed, gray haired woman, very self-possessed and alert and superficially affable,' but essentially a 'defensive, rigid, self-involved person who had real difficulty in accepting and relating to people' and who had 'little understanding' of Lee's behavior and of the 'protective shell he has drawn around himself'. After reading this it would be understandable to feel a little bit sorry for the little rat. Oswald had a tough childhood and his personal makeup just could not handle the emotional trauma mostly caused by Marguerite's own emotional shortcomings. Soon after Lee was placed on probation by NY authorities Marguerite and Lee left for New Orleans. When Lee turned 16 he attempted to join the Marines with the help of Marguerite by falsely claiming he was 17. Although the attempt failed to get by the notice of the Marine recruiter days after Lee turned 17 he joined the Marines.
After Lee left for the Marines I believe Marguerite was no longer much of an influence on Lee for he had managed to cut whatever emotional chords that still bound them. After Lee defected to the USSR he wrote to Robert a very cold and brutal letter in which Lee saw both his brother and mother as just a couple of workers. Lee had now to cut all the chords that bound him to his past.
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5) George de Mohrenschildt, (TWO FACED) friend? and mentor to ( Sucker) Oswald.
6) Ruth Paine, ( who pretended to be a ) lonely housewife and friend of Marina Oswald. ( and Lee Oswald, but in reality was simply spying on the young couple for J E Hoover, who in his paranoia was convinced that the Oswald's were Russian spies.)
Ruth Paine, a spy for Hoover? Ok, gotta ask, can you support this statement with hard, credible evidence of any kind?
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Ruth Paine, a spy for Hoover? Ok, gotta ask, can you support this statement with hard, credible evidence of any kind?
No he can't, Paul. That's one of the dozens of unsupported allegations that Cakebread is so fond of gracing this forum with. Now, let's get back to the OP por favor.
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No he can't, Paul. That's one of the dozens of unsupported allegations that Cakebread is so fond of gracing this forum with. Now, let's get back to the OP por favor.
Psssst....Oscar.... Ruthie herself testified that she was a spy for the FBI...... You really need to learn the basics....
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Psssst....Oscar.... Ruthie herself testified that she was a spy for the FBI...... You really need to learn the basics....
All right. Please elaborate.
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All right. Please elaborate.
Why don't you take a few minutes and actually LEARN a few basic FACTS.... Just READ Ruth Paine's testimony when she testified before the WC.... She said she was an FBI informer....
She said that she purloined Lee Oswald's letter to the Russian Embassy and then called the FBI....To tell them that she had a letter that Lee Oswald had written to the Russians....
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Why don't you take a few minutes and actually LEARN a few basic FACTS.... Just READ Ruth Paine's testimony when she testified before the WC.... She said she was an FBI informer....
She said that she purloined Lee Oswald's letter to the Russian Embassy and then called the FBI....To tell them that she had a letter that Lee Oswald had written to the Russians....
Thousands of Americans were assets of U. S. intel agencies. Are you claiming she was an asset or was being paid as an employee? Huge difference Walt. I?m sure you understand that.
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Thousands of Americans were assets of U. S. intel agencies. Are you claiming she was an asset or was being paid as an employee? Huge difference Walt. I?m sure you understand that.
According to Walt's confused logic, if someone sees a bank robbery and provides information to the FBI about that robbery, they become FBI spies. Normal people call them witnesses or responsible citizens but when it involves Oswald they are transformed into informants and spies. It is nonsense. Imagine planning this assassination around Ruth Paine's ability to manipulate Oswald, Marina, Roy Truly, and the Fraziers etc. But then Ruth Paine does not do the obvious things that someone in her sinister role to frame him would do like confirm that Oswald owned a rifle, carried a long package to work that morning, hated JFK etc. It's laughable. Not unlike those ghost hunter shows on TV.
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Why don't you take a few minutes and actually LEARN a few basic FACTS.... Just READ Ruth Paine's testimony when she testified before the WC.... She said she was an FBI informer....
She said that she purloined Lee Oswald's letter to the Russian Embassy and then called the FBI....To tell them that she had a letter that Lee Oswald had written to the Russians....
No, Mr. Cakebread. She said she found the draft of the letter, made a copy of it, and showed it to her husband, Michael. He dismissed her concerns so she didn't do anything afterwards. She didn't call the FBI about it. She testified that she considered giving it to the FBI the next time agent Hosty came but she didn't.
Here is the relevant portion of her testimony:
Mr. JENNER - What did you do ultimately with your draft of the letter and the original?
Mrs. PAINE - The first appearance of an FBI person on the 23d of November, I gave the original to them. The next day it probably was I said I also had a copy and gave them that. I wanted to be shut of it.
Mr. JENNER - So I take it, Mrs. Paine, you did not deliver either the original or the copy or call attention to the original or the copy with respect to the FBI.
Mrs. PAINE - Prior.
Mr. JENNER - Prior to the 23d did you say?
Mrs. PAINE - That is right.
So again, prior to the assassination she withheld the letter. The rest of her testimony on the matter is here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/paine_r2.htm
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Walt, might we have a response?
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In his testimony, Robert Oswald mentions the Paines some 85 times. Read this testimony and we see that he thought they involved in the assassination. No need to respond that he thought Lee was the shooter-I realize that....
Mr. JENNER. Now, I would like to direct your attention to page 5 of your notebook.
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. At that point you were recording the course of events on what day?
Mr. OSWALD. Friday, November 22, 1963.
Mr. JENNER. To orient you and the Commission, the entry to which I refer, that is the paragraph, reads as follows. Follow me, please.
"Mother and I talked briefly and after about 30 minutes we were taken across the hall to where Marina and the two children were. (This was the first I knew of the new baby.) A Mrs. Paine was also present. We talked a little and shortly Mr. Paine--who the police had been talking to, came out of the office and Mrs. Paine introduced us. I did not like the appearance of Mr. Paine, nothing really to put my finger on, but I just had a feeling.
"I still do not know why or how" what is that next word?
Mr. OSWALD. "but".
Mr. JENNER. "But Mr. and Mrs. Paine are somehow involved in this affair.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oswald_r.htm
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In his testimony, Robert Oswald mentions the Paines some 85 times. Read this testimony and we see that he thought they involved in the assassination. No need to respond that he thought Lee was the shooter-I realize that....http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oswald_r.htm
He ?thought? they were involved? Meaningless. I personally had the opportunity to interview Robert in 1989. In some two hours, not one time did he mention the Paines, directly or indirectly.
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No, Mr. Cakebread. She said she found the draft of the letter, made a copy of it, and showed it to her husband, Michael. He dismissed her concerns so she didn't do anything afterwards. She didn't call the FBI about it. She testified that she considered giving it to the FBI the next time agent Hosty came but she didn't.
Here is the relevant portion of her testimony:
Mr. JENNER - What did you do ultimately with your draft of the letter and the original?
Mrs. PAINE - The first appearance of an FBI person on the 23d of November, I gave the original to them. The next day it probably was I said I also had a copy and gave them that. I wanted to be shut of it.
Mr. JENNER - So I take it, Mrs. Paine, you did not deliver either the original or the copy or call attention to the original or the copy with respect to the FBI.
Mrs. PAINE - Prior.
Mr. JENNER - Prior to the 23d did you say?
Mrs. PAINE - That is right.
So again, prior to the assassination she withheld the letter. The rest of her testimony on the matter is here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/paine_r2.htm
In his Book , Assignment: Oswald ....Hosty says that Ruth Paine called him and he went to her residence and picked up the letter.
So you actually believe that on November 9th, Ruthie Goodie Girl who was so alarmed by the letter that she stole it, and made a copy of it, and then returned the original to it's place on the desk, before Lee would find out what she'd done..... Didn't do anything with the letter, and the original rough draft, which she'd grabbed from the trash can, until over two weeks had passed ....and then called Hosty on November 23rd ( after the assassination) ....and told him that she had the letter.
The FBI and (other law enforcement agencies) had been all over her neighborhood on the weekend of 11/22-- 11/24 but she couldn't simply have gave them the letter??? She had to make a special call to Hosty.... Could it be that Hosty was her handler?
If she was so alarmed by the letter...WHY did she wait over two weeks ?? Do you actually believe the BS story??
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So you actually believe that on November 9th, Ruthie Goodie Girl who was so alarmed by the letter that she stole it, and made a copy of it, and then returned the original to it's place on the desk, before Lee would find out what she'd done..... Didn't do anything with the letter, and the original rough draft, which she'd grabbed from the trash can, until over two weeks had passed ....and then called Hosty on November 23rd ( after the assassination) ....and told him that she had the letter.
The FBI and (other law enforcement agencies) had been all over her neighborhood on the weekend of 11/22-- 11/24 but she couldn't simply have gave them the letter??? She had to make a special call to Hosty.... Could it be that Hosty was her handler?
Walt, you revel in speculation in astonishing ways, yet present no evidence, only suspicion. Mind you, this is 55 years after the event. Sigh. Hosty, her handler??? Is this yet more speculation or do you actually have evidence to support this astonishing comment?
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Walt, you revel in speculation in astonishing ways, yet present no evidence, only suspicion. Mind you, this is 55 years after the event. Sigh. Hosty, her handler??? Is this yet more speculation or do you actually have evidence to support this astonishing comment?
Have you read Hosty's Book?
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Years ago. Can YOU answer my question?
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Years ago. Can YOU answer my question?
Read it again...the answer is there....
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He ?thought? they were involved? Meaningless. I personally had the opportunity to interview Robert in 1989. In some two hours, not one time did he mention the Paines, directly or indirectly.
Paul May-be...So what? You are meaningless. I just linked the WC testimony. You might read it.
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Pathetic Walt.....simply pathetic. You cannot answer a question for the forum?s members? You are not a researcher looking for answers. You?re a blatant charlaton spreading lies and misrepresenting actual facts. History is debated Walt, not argued. You made an accusation. You are obligated to support that statement with facts. You?ve been challenged to do so as many CT?s have been challenged to do so the past 55 years. All have failed. Join the club.
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Pathetic Walt.....simply pathetic. You cannot answer a question for the forum?s members? You are not a researcher looking for answers. You?re a blatant charlaton spreading lies and misrepresenting actual facts. History is debated Walt, not argued. You made an accusation. You are obligated to support that statement with facts. You?ve been challenged to do so as many CT?s have been challenged to do so the past 55 years. All have failed. Join the club.
Psssst.... Paulie.... If I had failed, you wouldn't feel compelled to attempt to refute my stance.
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Psssst.... Paulie.... If I had failed, you wouldn't feel compelled to attempt to refute my stance.
So, as the failed conspiracy theorist often does when caught in out right lies and fabrications, you now revert to condescension. Paulie? You must think you?re DiEugenio. That?s his playbook. This is your history Walt. This forum knows that simply by reading this thread. Help society Walt. Get an education. Perhaps, just perhaps you might learn how to support your utter stupidity. Cya.
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So, as the failed conspiracy theorist often does when caught in out right lies and fabrications, you now revert to condescension. Paulie? You must think you?re DiEugenio. That?s his playbook. This is your history Walt. This forum knows that simply by reading this thread. Help society Walt. Get an education. Perhaps, just perhaps you might learn how to support your utter stupidity. Cya.
Get an education. Perhaps, just perhaps you might learn how to support your utter stupidity
You are not making sense, Paul
If he is utterly stupid (as you claim) an education isn't going to help him much, is it now? And if his eduction did help there wouldn't be any stupidity to support, so why would he learn how to support it?
Just saying....
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So, as the failed conspiracy theorist often does when caught in out right lies and fabrications, you now revert to condescension. Paulie? You must think you?re DiEugenio. That?s his playbook. This is your history Walt. This forum knows that simply by reading this thread. Help society Walt. Get an education. Perhaps, just perhaps you might learn how to support your utter stupidity. Cya.
Hee, hee,hee,.... :D What a golden example of a dichotomy .... Who's reverting to condescension, and insults? Huh Paulie?
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So, as the failed conspiracy theorist often does when caught in out right lies and fabrications, you now revert to condescension. Paulie? You must think you?re DiEugenio. That?s his playbook. This is your history Walt. This forum knows that simply by reading this thread. Help society Walt. Get an education. Perhaps, just perhaps you might learn how to support your utter stupidity. Cya.
Psssst Paulie, Do you see the contradiction in your statement ?......
You must think you?re DiEugenio. That?s his playbook. This is your history Walt.
On one hand you say that I'm like Di Eugenio because "that's his playbook" ...but on the other hand you say, "this is YOUR history, Walt"
You seem to be a bit rattled......
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No, Mr. Cakebread. She said she found the draft of the letter, made a copy of it, and showed it to her husband, Michael. He dismissed her concerns so she didn't do anything afterwards. She didn't call the FBI about it. She testified that she considered giving it to the FBI the next time agent Hosty came but she didn't.
Here is the relevant portion of her testimony:
Mr. JENNER - What did you do ultimately with your draft of the letter and the original?
Mrs. PAINE - The first appearance of an FBI person on the 23d of November, I gave the original to them. The next day it probably was I said I also had a copy and gave them that. I wanted to be shut of it.
Mr. JENNER - So I take it, Mrs. Paine, you did not deliver either the original or the copy or call attention to the original or the copy with respect to the FBI.
Mrs. PAINE - Prior.
Mr. JENNER - Prior to the 23d did you say?
Mrs. PAINE - That is right.
So again, prior to the assassination she withheld the letter. The rest of her testimony on the matter is here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/paine_r2.htm
Ruth Paine provides very little information that is incriminating to Oswald in the assassination of JFK. If she were some type of master spy with the assignment of framing Oswald, she would have done obvious things like confirm he stored a rifle in her garage, carried a long bag to work that morning, had some type of grievance against JFK, and was acting strangely on the night before the assassination. She did none of those things. So why do CTers obsess on her as a sinister spy? Because she presents an enormous problem for them. If she is merely a suburban housewife doing a charitable deed for Oswald and his family, then the entire sequence of events that leads to Oswald's presence in the TSBD becomes a matter of chance that no one is controlling. It blows the notion of a planned conspiracy narrative out of the water because Oswald's presence at the TSBD on 11.22 would simply be a random event. As a result, kooks like Walt have to claim she is a spy or FBI informant etc. It's laughable. And then he even gets the basic facts wrong.
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Ruth Paine provides very little information that is incriminating to Oswald in the assassination of JFK. If she were some type of master spy with the assignment of framing Oswald, she would have done obvious things like confirm he stored a rifle in her garage, carried a long bag to work that morning, had some type of grievance against JFK, and was acting strangely on the night before the assassination. She did none of those things. So why do CTers obsess on her as a sinister spy? Because she presents an enormous problem for them. If she is merely a suburban housewife doing a charitable deed for Oswald and his family, then the entire sequence of events that leads to Oswald's presence in the TSBD becomes a matter of chance that no one is controlling. It blows the notion of a planned conspiracy narrative out of the water because Oswald's presence at the TSBD on 11.22 would simply be a random event. As a result, kooks like Walt have to claim she is a spy or FBI informant etc. It's laughable. And then he even gets the basic facts wrong.
She offers no evidence whatsoever of motive or means for Oswald. None. Neither does Michael Paine.
The two most critical parts of framing Oswald are completely absent from what they revealed: nothing about him hating JFK, nothing about him being distraught, nothing about a rifle, nothing about seeing him with a large package that morning of the assassination, nothing about violence from him...nothing, nothing, nothing. Heck, if anything they present evidence that Oswald DIDN'T shoot JFK.
Some conspirators they were!
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If she were some type of master spy with the assignment of framing Oswald, she would have done obvious things like confirm he stored a rifle in her garage, carried a long bag to work that morning,
But there was no rifle and there was no bag. So how could she? You can't prove a myth with strawman hypothetical anecdotes Snickers, it just doesn't work.
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But there was no rifle and there was no bag. So how could she? You can't prove a myth with strawman hypothetical anecdotes Snickers, it just doesn't work.
Sorry, are you saying that no rifle and no bag were found in the building? Nobody saw him carry a bag to work? There's no other evidence he owned a rifle?
And it doesn't matter if there was no rifle in her garage. Or bag. The point is she would - if she was part of the plan to do so - frame Oswald by claiming there was. He's dead. She can say anything about him at that stage.
So we go back to the original point: If she was involved in framing Oswald - she allegedly got him the job where he would be framed - then why not say she saw the rifle too? And saw him carrying it that morning of the assassination?
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Sorry, are you saying that no rifle and no bag were found in the building? Nobody saw him carry a bag to work? There's no other evidence he owned a rifle?
Don't you realize that all evidence was either faked, planted or altered in some way?
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Don't you realize that all evidence was either faked, planted or altered in some way?
Right, I know that's what some - many - of them think. But a rifle and bag WERE found. They did exist even if planted.
So if Ruth was part of this framing of Oswald - planting the bag and rifle - why didn't she lie and say she saw the rifle in the garage? Or that she saw him carrying a bag to work that day? Or that he expressed hatred of JFK?
We're asked to prove a negative here: i.e., that Ruth Paine did not frame Oswald. And we're offering up examples that show that she didn't do/say far more serious things to frame him.
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But there was no rifle and there was no bag. So how could she? You can't prove a myth with strawman hypothetical anecdotes Snickers, it just doesn't work.
LOL. If Ruth Paine was involved in framing Oswald, all she has to do is say he had a rifle in the garage etc. It wouldn't have to be there. That is sort of the point when you are trying to frame someone. Whew.
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All right guys let's see if we can get on with the intended purpose of this thread. I shall introduce one of the fringe characters of whom I believe played a very important role in deciding the direction that Lee Oswald would pursue while in Dallas. This is George A. Bouhe. Some background of Mr. Bouhe. He was born in St. Petersburg, Russia on February, 1904. As a young man he worked for the American Relief Commission from 1920 - 23. At the encouragement of some American there he decided to emigrate to America, applied for a passport but was denied by the Soviet authorities. Bouhe then crossed a river into Finland and came to America by way of Germany, arriving here in April 1924 and became an American citizen in June 1939. Bouhe made his way to Dallas in 1939 were he worked as an accountant for Chase Manhattan Bank and as a personal accountant for Lewis W. MacNaughton, a prominent geologist in the Dallas area. As the senior member of the burgeoning Russian ?migr? community he formed a church congregation in part to be used as a meeting place for the newly arriving Russian emigres in the 1950's. Soon Bouhe attained the informal title of the leader of the Dallas-Ft. Worth Russian community.
Bouhe met the Oswalds, Marina and Lee, at a party hosted by Dorothy lane at the invitation of Peter Gregory, a Siberian emigre who now lived in Dallas and who Lee had met lee Oswald previously for the purpose of examining Oswalds competence in the Russian language.. It was at this party that Bouhe first met the Oswalds. At this party Bouhe became very interested in Marina because she had lived in St. Petersburg. According to Priscilla Johnson this meeting between Bouhe and Marina established a father and daughter type relationship between them and Bouhe became very protective of Marina. This didn't sit well with Lee and he resented the attention lavished upon Marina by Bouhe's generosity arousing feelings of jealousy and inferiority.
Mr. Bouhe, along with other members of the Russian expatriate community, continued to try to help the Oswalds but it soon became apparent that Lee was mistreating Marina, hurting her both mentally and physically. Seeing this mistreatment Bouhe became concerned about Marina and encouraged her to leave Lee. But Bouhe soon became frustrated with Marina because she would give in to Lee's pleas for reconciliation and decided that he had had enough of them. Although he still felt pity of Marina he thought she was weak and Bouhe, being scared of Lee, decided to wash his hands of any responsibility for the welfare of Marina and her child. During a friendly encounter with George de Mohrenschildt, Brouhe made it plain that he was scared of Oswald and feared there would be trouble between them if he continued to try to help Marina. When George de Mohrenschildt expressed friendly feelings towards Lee, Bouhe told George "All right...you carry the ball'
From this point on it was George de Mohrenschildt who would take over as the only benefactor of the Oswalds left in the Russian expatriate community of the Dallas-Ft. Worth area.
I consider this a major influence of the path both Marina and Lee took that eventually led to the tragedy of Nov 22, 1963 because like Lee, George de Mohrenschildt had become an out cast of the Russian ?migr? community. Marina lost whatever support could be offered that would help her cut ties with an abusive husband of whom the majority of them thought of in terms that would describe Lee as an unstable, bitter and selfish character.