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Title: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 24, 2019, 06:42:59 PM
A new book written last year (2018) entitled  " H.L. Hunt... Motive and Opportunity " is the story told by a very close associate of Haroldson Lafayette Hunt, the president of Hunt Oil and dozens of other big buck businesses ......

The associate and employee is named John Curington who I believe he is 96 years old, was employed as H.L. Hunt's right hand man from 1954 until 1969.  John was privy to H L Hunt's private and business life. He knows nearly everything that H.L Hunt did in his life....

After reading his story, I believe Mr Curington is trying to set history straight without violating a promise that he made to H.L. Hunt over a half century ago.
I believe that John Curington knows the truth about the murder of John Kennedy, but will not pull the wrappers off the story.  He tells the various tales that make up his story as if his memory is failing him, or he deliberately isn't making the tale crystal clear.  The story is rather vague, disjointed and rambling, but never-the- less it is a verrrrrry interesting tale.

The author ( Mitchel Whitington) that John Curington selected to write his story obviously knows very little about the murders of JFK, RFK. MLK, and Jimmy Hoffa.....  and consequently writes the story from the perspective of the US Government approved history books.  It's a pity that Mr Whitington doesn't know some of the very basic facts of the murder of JFK and the other three victim,s because Mr Curington gave Michel information that is dynamite. 

One example of a piece of dynamite information that John gave to Mitchel is related to the "Dear Mr Hunt" note.....     John told Mitchel that the note surfaced in the in the inner office mail system of Hunt Oil after the assassination of JFK.  Jon said that the note had been dropped off at the front desk and it was in an envelope addressed to Mr Hunt.  Mr Hunt and Mr Curington read the short note... which said...

 I would like information concerding (sic) my position. I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else.         Lee Harvey Oswald

They then called the FBI ( H.L.Hunt was a personal friend of J.Edgar Hoover and called Hoover and talked to him often) An FBI agent came to Hunt's office and took the note and John Curington never saw it again.....( at least that's what  John Curington told Mitchel Whitington)   However, Whitington presented a photo of the note 
in the book that is a bit different than other copies of the note that I've seen...which leads me to believe that Curington presented a photocopy of the note to Mitchel. 

Those of you who know the official tale concerning that note will recognize that according to Curington the note appeared in Mr Hunt's inner office mail at the Hunt Oil offices.  And it was turned over to the FBI.     And this is contrary to the tale handed to us by the FBI.   
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 24, 2019, 09:28:23 PM
A new book written last year (2018) entitled  " H.L. Hunt... Motive and Opportunity " is the story told by a very close associate of Haroldson Lafayette Hunt, the president of Hunt Oil and dozens of other big buck businesses ......

The associate and employee is named John Curington who I believe he is 96 years old, was employed as H.L. Hunt's right hand man from 1954 until 1969.  John was privy to H L Hunt's private and business life. He knows nearly everything that H.L Hunt did in his life....

After reading his story, I believe Mr Curington is trying to set history straight without violating a promise that he made to H.L. Hunt over a half century ago.
I believe that John Curington knows the truth about the murder of John Kennedy, but will not pull the wrappers off the story.  He tells the various tales that make up his story as if his memory is failing him, or he deliberately isn't making the tale crystal clear.  The story is rather vague, disjointed and rambling, but never-the- less it is a verrrrrry interesting tale.

The author ( Mitchel Whitington) that John Curington selected to write his story obviously knows very little about the murders of JFK, RFK. MLK, and Jimmy Hoffa.....  and consequently writes the story from the perspective of the US Government approved history books.  It's a pity that Mr Whitington doesn't know some of the very basic facts of the murder of JFK and the other three victim,s because Mr Curington gave Michel information that is dynamite. 

One example of a piece of dynamite information that John gave to Mitchel is related to the "Dear Mr Hunt" note.....     John told Mitchel that the note surfaced in the in the inner office mail system of Hunt Oil after the assassination of JFK.  Jon said that the note had been dropped off at the front desk and it was in an envelope addressed to Mr Hunt.  Mr Hunt and Mr Curington read the short note... which said...

 I would like information concerding (sic) my position. I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else.         Lee Harvey Oswald

They then called the FBI ( H.L.Hunt was a personal friend of J.Edgar Hoover and called Hoover and talked to him often) An FBI agent came to Hunt's office and took the note and John Curington never saw it again.....( at least that's what  John Curington told Mitchel Whitington)   However, Whitington presented a photo of the note 
in the book that is a bit different than other copies of the note that I've seen...which leads me to believe that Curington presented a photocopy of the note to Mitchel. 

Those of you who know the official tale concerning that note will recognize that according to Curington the note appeared in Mr Hunt's inner office mail at the Hunt Oil offices.  And it was turned over to the FBI.     And this is contrary to the tale handed to us by the FBI.   

John told Mitchel that the note surfaced in the in the inner office mail system of Hunt Oil after the assassination of JFK.  Jon said that the note had been dropped off at the front desk and it was in an envelope addressed to Mr Hunt.

This cannot be true....  The part about the note being dropped of at the front desk AFTER the assassination of President Kennedy.

WHO  would have dropped off the note AFTER the assassination??....  IF an unknown person had dropped off such a note AFTER the murder, the obvious motive would have been to implicate H.L.Hunt as being involved with Lee Harvey Oswald.  He would have burned the note..... He was a very intelligent and shrewd operator..... Hunt wouldn't have called anybody....

And since the note was in the Hunt Oil co. inner office mail it obviously was delivered by someone who walked in to the offices.  Just as Lee Oswald had walked into the FBI offices and delivered a note.....( Who knows, the Dear Mr Hunt note or a copy of it, could be what Lee Oswald delivered to the FBI office) 

The note was NOT delivered AFTER the assassination.... That's for sure.....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on January 25, 2019, 03:14:57 AM
[...]
One example of a piece of dynamite information that John [Curington] gave to Mitchel [Whitington] is related to the "Dear Mr Hunt" note.....  John told Mitchel that the note surfaced in the in the inner office mail system of Hunt Oil after the assassination of JFK. John said that the note had been dropped off at the front desk and it was in an envelope addressed to Mr Hunt.  Mr Hunt and Mr Curington read the short note... which said...

I would like information concerding (sic) my position. I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else.         Lee Harvey Oswald

They then called the FBI ( H.L.Hunt was a personal friend of J.Edgar Hoover and called Hoover and talked to him often) An FBI agent came to Hunt's office and took the note and John Curington never saw it again.....( at least that's what John Curington told Mitchel Whitington).
[...]

Dear Walt,

For what it's worth, KGB defector Vasili Mitrokhin said that that note was forged by the KGB

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 25, 2019, 05:35:48 PM
Dear Walt,

For what it's worth, KGB defector (or false defector? He does, afterall, claim that Yuri Nosenko was a true defector -- LOL) Vasili Mitrokhin says that note was forged by the KGB.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

So you believe that a KGB agent delivered the note to Hunt Oil Company offices in Dallas ?    Can you explain WHY a KGB officer would deliver a note that is signed Lee Harvey Oswald to H.L.Hunt  ?
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 25, 2019, 09:16:26 PM
Dear Walt,

For what it's worth, KGB defector (or false defector? He does, afterall, claim that Yuri Nosenko was a true defector -- LOL) Vasili Mitrokhin says that note was forged by the KGB.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Vasili Mitrokhin says that note was forged by the KGB.

Why would the KGB want to implicate "Mr Hunt" by associating "Mr Hunt" with Lee Harvey Oswald?

If the "Mr Hunt" that the note was addressed to had been E.Howard Hunt, who was a CIA agent, then the tale about the note being forgery would make sense.  The KGB would without a doubt have wanted to link the CIA to the assassination....  However, The note was delivered to the Dallas office headquarters of Hunt Oil, and it as delivered to the President of Hunt Oil Company, Mr. H.L. Hunt.

P.S.  H.L. Hunt and Edwin Walker were like two peas in a pod.... They both were ultra right wing extremists (Neo Nazis) and they knew each other well.  They both hated the Kennedy's.   
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on January 25, 2019, 10:54:50 PM
Vasili Mitrokhin says that note was forged by the KGB.

Why would the KGB want to implicate "Mr Hunt" by associating "Mr Hunt" with Lee Harvey Oswald?

If the "Mr Hunt" that the note was addressed to had been E.Howard Hunt, who was a CIA agent, then the tale about the note being forgery would make sense.  The KGB would without a doubt have wanted to link the CIA to the assassination....  However, The note was delivered to the Dallas office headquarters of Hunt Oil, and it as delivered to the President of Hunt Oil Company, Mr. H.L. Hunt.

P.S.  H.L. Hunt and Edwin Walker were like two peas in a pod.... They both were ultra right wing extremists (Neo Nazis) and they knew each other well.  They both hated the Kennedy's.

Dear Walter,

Former KGB archivist Vasili Mitrokhin said that the KGB had forged the note.

Now, logically, Mitrokhin was either: 1) a false defector and a) lied about the note, or b) a false defector and told the truth about the note

-- or --

2) He was a true defector and c) lied about the note, or d) a true defector and told the truth about the note.

Which permutation do you prefer, Walter?

That he was a true defector and lied about the note?

Or, that he was an evil, evil, evil CIA agent who had lived in Russia all those years?

LOL

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  As recorded in HSCA-IV, handwriting expert Joseph P. McNally testified to the HSCA that he was undecided as to whether or not the note was genuine.

In his report, however, (HSCA-VIII) McNally provided more revealing details about the note, and stated that he found it highly suspicious:

(41)  VIII. The signature, "Lee Harvey Oswald," on the Hunt note (item 4-7) does not correspond to the Oswald signatures described under section I [signatures judged to be Oswald's]. To begin with, the bulk of the documents which are signed with the full name, "Lee Harvey Oswald," are more formal in tone. For example, the full name appears on all but one of the Marine Corps documents. The full name appears infrequently elsewhere -- usually only the first name, middle initial, and last name are used. Further, in the Hunt note, the middle name "Harvey" is misspelled -- the "e" appears to be missing; the "H" of "Harvey" differs from that found in the section I signatures; the "ar" of "Harvey" is ellided to a point that does not occur in any section I signatures; the "O" of "Oswald" is retraced part of the way along the left side, not true of the section I Oswald signatures; and the ending "d" of Oswald is smaller than the preceding "l", whereas most of the ending "d"s of the section I signatures are taller than the "l" (only in signatures that appear to be "squeezed-in" is the end "d" shorter than the preceding "l").

(42)  While the script writing on the Hunt note is similar in pictorial quality to the writings under section II [writings judged to be Oswald's], the format of the note differs from that of the notes and letters of section II. The writing line is so exact as almost to give the impression it has been made on a ruled line. Usually Oswald writes in an arrhythmic manner-- for example, with an irregular and crooked writing line. This writing creates the jumbled effect apparent in the section II documents.

(43) From the examinations of item 4-7, it was
determined that the signature does not correspond with any of the Oswald signatures of section I. Similarly, the writing does not correspond to that in the section II Oswald documents.

(44) I would like to note, however, that the
quality of the original photoreproductions of the Hunt note was poor. Under the best of circumstances, reproductions lack clarity and detail. Here, as can be seen from the copies, the original photo- reproduction was out of focus [as though it was a photograph of a blown-up microfilm image that itself was out of focus], giving the document a fuzzy appearance. Accurate analysis was difficult. The note is highly suspicious. The original would have to be checked in order to make a more definite analysis and reach a definitive conclusion."

[emphasis added]

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/mrhunt.7txt
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 26, 2019, 03:11:59 PM
Dear Johnny,

Former KGB archivist Vasili Mitrokhin said that the KGB had forged the note.

Now, logically, Mitrokhin was either: 1) a false defector and a) lied about the note, or b) a false defector and told the truth about the note

-- or --

2) He was a true defector and c) lied about the note, or d) a true defector and told the truth about the note.

Which permutation do you prefer, Johnny?

That he was a true defector and lied about the note?

Or, that he was an evil, evil, evil CIA agent who had lived in Russia all those years?

LOL

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  As recorded in HSCA-IV, handwriting expert Joseph P. McNally testified to the HSCA that he was undecided as to whether or not the note was genuine.

In his report, however, (HSCA-VIII) McNally provided more revealing details about the note, and stated that he found it highly suspicious:

(41)  VIII. The signature, "Lee Harvey Oswald," on the Hunt note (item 4-7) does not correspond to the Oswald signatures described under section I [signatures judged to be Oswald's]. To begin with, the bulk of the documents which are signed with the full name, "Lee Harvey Oswald," are more formal in tone. For example, the full name appears on all but one of the Marine Corps documents. The full name appears infrequently elsewhere -- usually only the first name, middle initial, and last name are used. Further, in the Hunt note, the middle name "Harvey" is misspelled -- the "e" appears to be missing; the "H" of "Harvey" differs from that found in the section I signatures; the "ar" of "Harvey" is ellided to a point that does not occur in any section I signatures; the "O" of "Oswald" is retraced part of the way along the left side, not true of the section I Oswald signatures; and the ending "d" of Oswald is smaller than the preceding "l", whereas most of the ending "d"s of the section I signatures are taller than the "l" (only in signatures that appear to be "squeezed-in" is the end "d" shorter than the preceding "l").

(42)  While the script writing on the Hunt note is similar in pictorial quality to the writings under section II [writings judged to be Oswald's], the format of the note differs from that of the notes and letters of section II. The writing line is so exact as almost to give the impression it has been made on a ruled line. Usually Oswald writes in an arrhythmic manner-- for example, with an irregular and crooked writing line. This writing creates the jumbled effect apparent in the section II documents.

(43) From the examinations of item 4-7, it was
determined that the signature does not correspond with any of the Oswald signatures of section I. Similarly, the writing does not correspond to that in the section II Oswald documents.

(44) I would like to note, however, that the
quality of the original photoreproductions of the Hunt note was poor. Under the best of circumstances, reproductions lack clarity and detail. Here, as can be seen from the copies, the original photo- reproduction was out of focus [as though it was a photograph of a blown-up microfilm image that itself was out of focus], giving the document a fuzzy appearance. Accurate analysis was difficult. The note is highly suspicious. The original would have to be checked in order to make a more definite analysis and reach a definitive conclusion."

[emphasis added]

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/mrhunt.7txt

he was undecided as to whether or not the note was genuine.

Joseph P. McNally,  A hand writing expert was undecided whether the note was genuine....   But you're positive that the note was a forgery, created by the KGB...

Mr McNally may have been able to make a better conclusion if he had known that the note first appeared on the scene at the office of H.L.Hunt .......

Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on January 26, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
he was undecided as to whether or not the note was genuine.

Joseph P. McNally,  A hand writing expert was undecided whether the note was genuine....   But you're positive that the note was a forgery, created by the KGB...

Mr McNally may have been able to make a better conclusion if he had known that the note first appeared on the scene at the office of H.L.Hunt .......

Dear Walter,

McNally wrote in his report that he found the note highly suspicious.

Did you miss that part?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 26, 2019, 07:50:31 PM
Dear Walter,

McNally wrote in his report that he found the note highly suspicious.

Did you miss that part?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

"highly suspicious."

In what way??   What did he mean the note was "highly suspicious"??....Was he alluding to the fact that it appeared from thin air?   With no way of identifying "Mr Hunt"   ???

I'd hasten to remind you that Lee Oswald cried for help from "Mr Hunt" about 16 hours before he was murdered by Jack Ruby ( the phone call from the jail)

Joe Civello was a mob boss in Dallas. Jack Ruby was one of Joe Civello's soldiers.  HL Hunt and Joe Civello were good friends..... That cry for help from "Mr Hunt" scared the crap outta Hunt....He could see that Lee Oswald was about to snap....  Joe Civello's soldier, Jack Ruby,  shut the patsy up for good about 16 hours after the phone call.

The Note requested "information" from "Mr Hunt" ...And the Phone call obviously was a cry for help from "Mr Hunt".... 
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on January 26, 2019, 08:17:23 PM
"Handwriting expert Joseph P. McNally wrote in his report that he found the note highly suspicious."

In what way?  What did he mean the note was "highly suspicious"?

[...]


Dear Walter,

Please don't tell me that you didn't read all of my longish post a couple of posts back.

Because if so, then you're almost as lazy as xxxxxxxxx, dude.

(Hint: Rhymes with "In da confetti")

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 26, 2019, 11:20:57 PM
Dear Walter,

Please don't tell me that you didn't read all of my longish post a couple of posts back.

Because if so, then you're almost as lazy as xxxxxxxxx, dude.

(Hint: Rhymes with "confetti")

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

"Handwriting expert Joseph P. McNally wrote in his report that he found the note highly suspicious."

In what way?  What did he mean the note was "highly suspicious"?

Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 26, 2019, 11:58:04 PM
Dear Walter,

Aren't you capable of reading?

Why are you pulling a Xxxxxxxxx on me?

(Hint: His name rhymes with
"In da confetti")

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

In what way?  What did he mean the note was "highly suspicious"?
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on January 27, 2019, 12:31:17 AM
In what way?  What did he mean the note was "highly suspicious"?

Dear Walter,

Any reasonable person who actually ... gasp ... read McNally's report would assume he meant that the "Dear Mr. Hunt" note was probably a forgery.

Have you read his report?

Here it is:

FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS OF JOSEPH P. MC NALLY

Procedures (31) I conducted an examination and comparison of the signatures and writings on the items described in this report. At the time of the initial work in Washington, D.C., I made color photomacrographs of the signatures and the writings on these documents. I then made slides from the photomacrographs, which I subsequently projected and studied. The signatures were a particular focus of my examination. (32) I first met with committee staff in Washington, D.C., on September L 1977, to examine and photograph signatures and writings on documents available at the Department of Defense and the National Archives. On September 17 1977, I went to the committee's offices to examine and photograph a photo-reproduction designated item No. 47. On May 8, 1978, I returned to Washington, D.C., to make additional examinations and photographs. These were made at the Department of Defense, the National Archives, and the committee offices. (33) On July 6, 1978, I met with other members of the handwriting panel to review the documents examined and to consult with them. Subsequently, I prepared my final report with my findings and conclusions.

Conclusions (34) I, The signatures "Lee Harvey Oswald" and "Lee H. Oswald" on the following documents were all written by the same person: 1,2,4,5,7,11, and 12. Marine Corps documents. 3. U.S. Armed Forces Loyalty Certificate. 6. USMC fingerprint form. 8. ID card---U.S. Armed Forces, Japan. 9 and 10. Three (3) passport signatures. 13. Carbon of U.S. Armed Forces Report of Discharge. ---------------------------------- *In particular, members noted that not all documents were available in their original. It is standard practice in the profession of questioned document examination to make definitive conclusions only about documents examined in their original. Thus the panel members gave only tentative opinions for items provided them in some type of facsimile.

234 14. Selective Service registration. 15. Selective Service card. 17. Citizenship revocation. 22. Support affidavit. 25. Letter to "The Worker". 27, 45 and 46. Signatures on U.S.P.O. applications (4). 31. Photo of Lee Oswald (back). 32. Letter to "Fair Play for Cuba". 33. Fair Play for Cuba card. 34. Passport application. 36. New Orleans Police Department fingerprint form, dated Aug. 9, 1968. 37. Photocopy of New Orleans Police Department fingerprint form. 38. Letter to the "Communist Party U.S.A." 39. Hotel registry. 40. Application for Cuban visa. 41. Photograph of carbon of application for Cuban visa. 42. Letter to Russian Embassy. 43. Employment form. 44. Form W4. 45. P.O. Box 6225 application. 46. Receipt for key to P.O. Box 6225. 48. Photomechanical copy of letter to Russian Embassy. 55. Dallas Public Library card. (35)

II. The script writing on the following documents was done by the same person: 17. Citizenship revocation. 19. Stationery of Holland-American Line. 20. Self-questionnaire. 21. Photocopy of self-questionnaire. 22. Support affidavit. 25. Letter to "The Worker". 29. Xerox of Klein's money order. 30. Letter to "Fair Play for Cuba". 38. Letter to "Communist Party U.S.A.". 42. Letter to the Russian Embassy. 48. Photomechanical copy of letter to Russian Embassy. (36)

III. A number of documents have script and handprint, both of which are by the same person (the script writings of these documents correspond to that of documents listed above under I and II): 16. Historical diary. 18. Aline Mosby interview. 26. Employment application with letter. 30. Envelope and order form--Klein's. 43. Employment application and letter of resignation. (37)

IV. A few documents have handprint only. On those listed below, all the hand print is by the same person, and it corresponds to the handprint on documents listed above under III. Since the script in items under III corresponds to the script in items under II, it can be concluded that the items under II, III, and IV correspond. 9. Inside cover of passport. 27, 45 and 46. U.S.P.O. forms--box rental. 51. Speech. 235 (38)

V. In summary, the script writing (much of it on documents also bearing the signature of Lee H. Oswald) is identifiable with the signatures, "Lee H. Oswald." From the script writing on the documents described in section II, it is possible to create composite signatures, "Lee Harvey Oswald" and "Lee H. Oswald," which correspond to the Oswald signatures on the documents listed in section I. (39)

VI. The Russian language writing on documents 23, 56, and 57 is by the same person. Although there are a few letter design forms which appear to be in the Cyrillic alphabet, the bulk are in the Latin alphabet and correspond to their counterparts in the script and hand print in the documents listed in sections I, II, III, and IV above. (40)

VII. The two signatures, "Lee H. Oswald," in item 52 (receipts salary--Texas School Book Depository) do not correspond to the Oswald signatures as described under section I. The handwriting appears to be more skillful, with a more rhythmic flow. It varies in slant and differs in proportion. The overall writing pattern differs from the Oswald signatures in section I, as do the individual letter designs. The "L" of item 52 is taller and without an eyelet loop at the top right of the "L" as found in the section I signatures. The "H" of item 52 is distinctly different from the "II" in the section I signatures. The "0" of item 5'2 retraces on itself, not the case in the section I signatures, where it loops around at the top right and usually swings into the following "s". The "d" of item 52 reverses slant to go backhand, which does not occur in the section I signatures. (41)

VIII. The signature, "Lee Harvey Oswald," on the Hunt note (item 4-7) does not correspond to the Oswald signatures described under section I. To begin with, the bulk of the documents which are signed with the full name, "Lee Harvey Oswald," are more formal in tone. For example, the full name appears on all but one of the Marine Corps documents. The full name appears infrequently elsewhere-usually only the first name, middle initial, and last name are used. Further, in the Hunt note, the middle name "Harvey" is misspelled-the "e" appears to be missing; the "H" of "Harvey" differs from that found in the section I signatures; the "ar" of "Harvey" is ellided to a point that does not occur in any section I signatures; the "0" of "Oswald" is retraced part of the way along the left side, not true of the section I Oswald signatures; and the ending "d" of Oswald is smaller than the preceding "l", whereas most of the ending "d"s of the section I signatures are taller than the "l" (only in signatures that appear to be "squeezed-in" is the end "d" shorter than the preceding "1"). (42) While the script writing on the Hunt note is similar in pictorial quality to the writings under section II, the format of the note differs from that of the notes and letters of section II. The writing line is so exact as almost to give the impression it has been made on a ruled line. Usually Oswald writes in an arrhythmic manner--for example, with an irregular and crooked writing line. This writing creates the jumbled effect apparent in the section II documents. (43) From the examinations of item 4-7, it was determined that the signature does not correspond with any of the Oswald signatures of section I. Similarly, the writing does not correspond to that in the section II Oswald documents. (44) I would like to note, however, that the quality of the original photo reproductions of the Hunt note was poor. Under the best of circumstances, reproductions lack clarity and detail. Here, as can be seen from the copies, the original photo reproduction was out of focus, giving the document a fuzzy appearance. Accurate analysis was difficult. The note is highly suspicious. The original would have to be checked in order to make a more definite analysis and reach a definitive conclusion. (45)

IX. An examination and comparison was made of writings and signatures on documents attributed to Marina Oswald. The writings on the note (item 28) are such poor copies that it is virtually impossible to make a definite determination as to whether they correspond with the signatures of Marina Oswald on item 24. There is some similarity between the name in the return address on the envelope of item 28 and the signature of Marina Oswald on her entry papers (item 24), but the return address name is obscured to some extent by the postmark. The rest of the writing on the note (item 28) is not sufficiently parallel to the writing on her entry documents (item 29) and exemplars (item 54) to warrant any effective determination. (46) The name, "A. J. Hidell" on the Fair Play for Cuba card (item 33) was examined and compared with the exemplar writings of Marina Oswald (item 54). It was determined that. the "A. 5. Hidell" of the card (item 33) was written by Marina Oswald (as in item 54). The writing pattern of the signature on the card corresponds with that of the name "A. J. Hidell" as written by Marina Oswald on item 54. The Hidell signature in question is written with the same degree of writing skill as evinced by Marina Oswald. The slant, speed, proportions, et cetera, of the Hidell signature is matched in the writings of Marina Oswald. The design, form, and execution of stroke making up the individual letters of the Hidell signature in question (item 33) correspond to those of the letters in the writing of Marina Oswald (item 54). (47)

X. The "Jack Ruby" signature on the Cuban identification card (item 53) was examined and compared with exemplars of Jack Ruby (item 49). It was determined that the "Jack Ruby" of the Cuban identification card was written by the author of the exemplar signatures attributed to Jack Ruby (item 49). While there is an odd "J" in the identification card which does not occur in the Ruby exemplars, the rest of the letters tally in all respects. The signature has been written quickly, easily, and fluently, consistent with the writing pattern of the known exemplars. The odd "J" may be "accidental" or could be accounted for in additional writing of Ruby, most likely in spontaneous writing contemporaneous with the signature of the identification card. "Request" writing, such as that of item 49, sometimes differs slight extent from "spontaneous" writing. (48)

XI. A check was made of the historical diary (item 16). The 12 pages were written with the same type of writing instrument. The paper used for 11 of the 12 pages is similar; only the last page differs--it is appreciably thinner. The writing has a continuity from page to page and line to line that is indicative of being written about, or at, the same time. It does not give the impression of being "random" as would be expected of a diary extended over a period of time. It appears that this diary has been written within a short period of time and not over any extensive period. 237

Summary of conclusions (49) Virtually all the Lee H. Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald signatures are by the same person. There is some normal variation among the signatures, and no significant differences along the Oswald signatures identified as being the same. The overall writing pattern consistently similar, and the individual letter designs match throughout without major differences. The same holds true for the script and hand print on these documents that are identified as being written by the same person. (50) The same writing is on the U.S. Postal money order to Klein's (item 29) as is on the various letters and correspondence. The same writing is on the order form and envelope (item 30) as is on the letters and on the inside cover of the passport (item 9). (51) The writing and signatures that appear on the letters (items 25, 32, 38, and 42) agree with the writing and signatures on the U.S. Post Office applications for post office boxes (items 27, 45, and 46). (52) The signature and writing on the back of the photograph (item 31) agree with the signatures and script writing of Oswald (sections and II). (53) Differences indicative of different authorship were found on the "Hunt" note (item 47) and the salary receipts (item 52). (54) It appears that the historical dairy (item 16) was written within a short period of time.

http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/hscahand.htm

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 27, 2019, 01:38:38 AM
Dear Walter,

Any reasonable person who actually ... gasp ... read McNally's report would assume he meant that the "Dear Mr. Hunt" note was probably a forgery.

Have you read his report?

Here it is:

FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS OF JOSEPH P. MC NALLY

Procedures (31) I conducted an examination and comparison of the signatures and writings on the items described in this report. At the time of the initial work in Washington, D.C., I made color photomacrographs of the signatures and the writings on these documents. I then made slides from the photomacrographs, which I subsequently projected and studied. The signatures were a particular focus of my examination. (32) I first met with committee staff in Washington, D.C., on September L 1977, to examine and photograph signatures and writings on documents available at the Department of Defense and the National Archives. On September 17 1977, I went to the committee's offices to examine and photograph a photo-reproduction designated item No. 47. On May 8, 1978, I returned to Washington, D.C., to make additional examinations and photographs. These were made at the Department of Defense, the National Archives, and the committee offices. (33) On July 6, 1978, I met with other members of the handwriting panel to review the documents examined and to consult with them. Subsequently, I prepared my final report with my findings and conclusions.

Conclusions (34) I, The signatures "Lee Harvey Oswald" and "Lee H. Oswald" on the following documents were all written by the same person: 1,2,4,5,7,11, and 12. Marine Corps documents. 3. U.S. Armed Forces Loyalty Certificate. 6. USMC fingerprint form. 8. ID card---U.S. Armed Forces, Japan. 9 and 10. Three (3) passport signatures. 13. Carbon of U.S. Armed Forces Report of Discharge. ---------------------------------- *In particular, members noted that not all documents were available in their original. It is standard practice in the profession of questioned document examination to make definitive conclusions only about documents examined in their original. Thus the panel members gave only tentative opinions for items provided them in some type of facsimile.

234 14. Selective Service registration. 15. Selective Service card. 17. Citizenship revocation. 22. Support affidavit. 25. Letter to "The Worker". 27, 45 and 46. Signatures on U.S.P.O. applications (4). 31. Photo of Lee Oswald (back). 32. Letter to "Fair Play for Cuba". 33. Fair Play for Cuba card. 34. Passport application. 36. New Orleans Police Department fingerprint form, dated Aug. 9, 1968. 37. Photocopy of New Orleans Police Department fingerprint form. 38. Letter to the "Communist Party U.S.A." 39. Hotel registry. 40. Application for Cuban visa. 41. Photograph of carbon of application for Cuban visa. 42. Letter to Russian Embassy. 43. Employment form. 44. Form W4. 45. P.O. Box 6225 application. 46. Receipt for key to P.O. Box 6225. 48. Photomechanical copy of letter to Russian Embassy. 55. Dallas Public Library card. (35)

II. The script writing on the following documents was done by the same person: 17. Citizenship revocation. 19. Stationery of Holland-American Line. 20. Self-questionnaire. 21. Photocopy of self-questionnaire. 22. Support affidavit. 25. Letter to "The Worker". 29. Xerox of Klein's money order. 30. Letter to "Fair Play for Cuba". 38. Letter to "Communist Party U.S.A.". 42. Letter to the Russian Embassy. 48. Photomechanical copy of letter to Russian Embassy. (36)

III. A number of documents have script and handprint, both of which are by the same person (the script writings of these documents correspond to that of documents listed above under I and II): 16. Historical diary. 18. Aline Mosby interview. 26. Employment application with letter. 30. Envelope and order form--Klein's. 43. Employment application and letter of resignation. (37)

IV. A few documents have handprint only. On those listed below, all the hand print is by the same person, and it corresponds to the handprint on documents listed above under III. Since the script in items under III corresponds to the script in items under II, it can be concluded that the items under II, III, and IV correspond. 9. Inside cover of passport. 27, 45 and 46. U.S.P.O. forms--box rental. 51. Speech. 235 (38)

V. In summary, the script writing (much of it on documents also bearing the signature of Lee H. Oswald) is identifiable with the signatures, "Lee H. Oswald." From the script writing on the documents described in section II, it is possible to create composite signatures, "Lee Harvey Oswald" and "Lee H. Oswald," which correspond to the Oswald signatures on the documents listed in section I. (39)

VI. The Russian language writing on documents 23, 56, and 57 is by the same person. Although there are a few letter design forms which appear to be in the Cyrillic alphabet, the bulk are in the Latin alphabet and correspond to their counterparts in the script and hand print in the documents listed in sections I, II, III, and IV above. (40)

VII. The two signatures, "Lee H. Oswald," in item 52 (receipts salary--Texas School Book Depository) do not correspond to the Oswald signatures as described under section I. The handwriting appears to be more skillful, with a more rhythmic flow. It varies in slant and differs in proportion. The overall writing pattern differs from the Oswald signatures in section I, as do the individual letter designs. The "L" of item 52 is taller and without an eyelet loop at the top right of the "L" as found in the section I signatures. The "H" of item 52 is distinctly different from the "II" in the section I signatures. The "0" of item 5'2 retraces on itself, not the case in the section I signatures, where it loops around at the top right and usually swings into the following "s". The "d" of item 52 reverses slant to go backhand, which does not occur in the section I signatures. (41)

VIII. The signature, "Lee Harvey Oswald," on the Hunt note (item 4-7) does not correspond to the Oswald signatures described under section I. To begin with, the bulk of the documents which are signed with the full name, "Lee Harvey Oswald," are more formal in tone. For example, the full name appears on all but one of the Marine Corps documents. The full name appears infrequently elsewhere-usually only the first name, middle initial, and last name are used. Further, in the Hunt note, the middle name "Harvey" is misspelled-the "e" appears to be missing; the "H" of "Harvey" differs from that found in the section I signatures; the "ar" of "Harvey" is ellided to a point that does not occur in any section I signatures; the "0" of "Oswald" is retraced part of the way along the left side, not true of the section I Oswald signatures; and the ending "d" of Oswald is smaller than the preceding "l", whereas most of the ending "d"s of the section I signatures are taller than the "l" (only in signatures that appear to be "squeezed-in" is the end "d" shorter than the preceding "1"). (42) While the script writing on the Hunt note is similar in pictorial quality to the writings under section II, the format of the note differs from that of the notes and letters of section II. The writing line is so exact as almost to give the impression it has been made on a ruled line. Usually Oswald writes in an arrhythmic manner--for example, with an irregular and crooked writing line. This writing creates the jumbled effect apparent in the section II documents. (43) From the examinations of item 4-7, it was determined that the signature does not correspond with any of the Oswald signatures of section I. Similarly, the writing does not correspond to that in the section II Oswald documents. (44) I would like to note, however, that the quality of the original photo reproductions of the Hunt note was poor. Under the best of circumstances, reproductions lack clarity and detail. Here, as can be seen from the copies, the original photo reproduction was out of focus, giving the document a fuzzy appearance. Accurate analysis was difficult. The note is highly suspicious. The original would have to be checked in order to make a more definite analysis and reach a definitive conclusion. (45)

IX. An examination and comparison was made of writings and signatures on documents attributed to Marina Oswald. The writings on the note (item 28) are such poor copies that it is virtually impossible to make a definite determination as to whether they correspond with the signatures of Marina Oswald on item 24. There is some similarity between the name in the return address on the envelope of item 28 and the signature of Marina Oswald on her entry papers (item 24), but the return address name is obscured to some extent by the postmark. The rest of the writing on the note (item 28) is not sufficiently parallel to the writing on her entry documents (item 29) and exemplars (item 54) to warrant any effective determination. (46) The name, "A. J. Hidell" on the Fair Play for Cuba card (item 33) was examined and compared with the exemplar writings of Marina Oswald (item 54). It was determined that. the "A. 5. Hidell" of the card (item 33) was written by Marina Oswald (as in item 54). The writing pattern of the signature on the card corresponds with that of the name "A. J. Hidell" as written by Marina Oswald on item 54. The Hidell signature in question is written with the same degree of writing skill as evinced by Marina Oswald. The slant, speed, proportions, et cetera, of the Hidell signature is matched in the writings of Marina Oswald. The design, form, and execution of stroke making up the individual letters of the Hidell signature in question (item 33) correspond to those of the letters in the writing of Marina Oswald (item 54). (47)

X. The "Jack Ruby" signature on the Cuban identification card (item 53) was examined and compared with exemplars of Jack Ruby (item 49). It was determined that the "Jack Ruby" of the Cuban identification card was written by the author of the exemplar signatures attributed to Jack Ruby (item 49). While there is an odd "J" in the identification card which does not occur in the Ruby exemplars, the rest of the letters tally in all respects. The signature has been written quickly, easily, and fluently, consistent with the writing pattern of the known exemplars. The odd "J" may be "accidental" or could be accounted for in additional writing of Ruby, most likely in spontaneous writing contemporaneous with the signature of the identification card. "Request" writing, such as that of item 49, sometimes differs slight extent from "spontaneous" writing. (48)

XI. A check was made of the historical diary (item 16). The 12 pages were written with the same type of writing instrument. The paper used for 11 of the 12 pages is similar; only the last page differs--it is appreciably thinner. The writing has a continuity from page to page and line to line that is indicative of being written about, or at, the same time. It does not give the impression of being "random" as would be expected of a diary extended over a period of time. It appears that this diary has been written within a short period of time and not over any extensive period. 237

Summary of conclusions (49) Virtually all the Lee H. Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald signatures are by the same person. There is some normal variation among the signatures, and no significant differences along the Oswald signatures identified as being the same. The overall writing pattern consistently similar, and the individual letter designs match throughout without major differences. The same holds true for the script and hand print on these documents that are identified as being written by the same person. (50) The same writing is on the U.S. Postal money order to Klein's (item 29) as is on the various letters and correspondence. The same writing is on the order form and envelope (item 30) as is on the letters and on the inside cover of the passport (item 9). (51) The writing and signatures that appear on the letters (items 25, 32, 38, and 42) agree with the writing and signatures on the U.S. Post Office applications for post office boxes (items 27, 45, and 46). (52) The signature and writing on the back of the photograph (item 31) agree with the signatures and script writing of Oswald (sections and II). (53) Differences indicative of different authorship were found on the "Hunt" note (item 47) and the salary receipts (item 52). (54) It appears that the historical dairy (item 16) was written within a short period of time.

http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/hscahand.htm

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Any reasonable person who actually read McNally's report would assume he meant that the "Dear Mr. Hunt" note was probably a forgery.

No, Mr Mc Nalley did not indicate or say that he thought the note was a forgery.....

he was undecided as to whether or not the note was genuine.

Joseph P. McNally,  A hand writing expert was undecided whether the note was genuine.... 

I copied the above from the document YOU posted.....Do you know what UNDECIDED means?
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on January 27, 2019, 05:56:20 AM
Any reasonable person who actually read McNally's report would assume he meant that the "Dear Mr. Hunt" note was probably a forgery.


No, Mr Mc Nalley did not indicate or say that he thought the note was a forgery.....

he was undecided as to whether or not the note was genuine.

Joseph P. McNally,  A hand writing expert was undecided whether the note was genuine.... 

I copied the above from the document YOU posted.....Do you know what UNDECIDED means?

Dear Walter,

In his report to the HSCA, McNally wrote that the note was not just suspicious but "highly suspicious," and he gave several reasons for coming to that conclusion, including the fact that, unlike in any verified "Lee Harvey Oswald" signatures, the word "Harvey" was mispelled, and the fact that the writing in the note was much straighter than Oswald normally wrote.

http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/hscahand.htm

In his testimony to the HSCA, McNally gave a plausible explanation as to why the photocopy was so "fuzzy" as to be impossible to analyze precicely.

Mr. MCNALLY: The reason we could not reach any
conclusion regarding this particular document is [because] this of course is a photo reproduction. It is a peculiar type of photo reproduction in the fact that we have a photo reproduction, yet at the same time it has some the characteristics of being photoreproduced from a microfilm enlargement which was originally out of focus. [T]he photo reproduction was quite fuzzy. In this particular case it is so fuzzy that an accurate examination could not be made of it. 

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/mrhunt.txt

How clever of the KGB to send Penn Jones (or whomever) a photocopy of a photo enlargment made from an out-of-focus microfilm image, so that the finished product couldn't be analyzed very closely!

But yet, McNally still found the note to be "highly suspicious" for several reasons, two of which I've mentioned for you, above. 

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 27, 2019, 07:24:02 AM
Dear Walter,

In his report to the HSCA, McNally wrote that the note was not just suspicious but "highly suspicious," and he gave several reasons for coming to that conclusion, including the fact that, unlike in any verified "Lee Harvey Oswald" signatures, the word "Harvey" was mispelled, and the fact that the writing in the note was much straighter than Oswald normally wrote.

http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/hscahand.htm

In his testimony to the HSCA, McNally gave a plausible explanation as to why the photocopy was so "fuzzy" as to be impossible to analyze precicely.

Mr. MCNALLY: The reason we could not reach any
conclusion regarding this particular document is [because] this of course is a photo reproduction. It is a peculiar type of photo reproduction in the fact that we have a photo reproduction, yet at the same time it has some the characteristics of being photoreproduced from a microfilm enlargement which was originally out of focus. [T]he photo reproduction was quite fuzzy. In this particular case it is so fuzzy that an accurate examination could not be made of it. 

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/mrhunt.txt

How clever of the KGB to send Penn Jones (or whomever) a photocopy of a photo enlargment made from an out-of-focus microfilm image, so that the finished product couldn't be analyzed very closely!

But yet, McNally still found the note to be "highly suspicious" for several reasons, two of which I've mentioned for you, above. 

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

the word "Harvey" was mispelled,

No it's not misspelled.....It's just written sloppily .....As if Lee was nervous or in a hurry.....

You're really not up to the task, Mr Mudd....  You're too easily fooled....

BTW....  I also believe the note is highly suspicious....but not that it's a forgery.....  Suspicious because it suddenly surfaces long after the book is closed.

And it was the FBI who let it float to the surface.....  Why did they leak that note???
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Rob Caprio on January 27, 2019, 05:49:24 PM
Those that blame the KGB, and thereby Russia, cannot cite one piece of supporting evidence or at the very least give one reason why the Russians would want JFK dead and LBJ as president.
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 27, 2019, 06:22:48 PM
Those that blame the KGB, and thereby Russia, cannot cite one piece of supporting evidence or at the very least give one reason why the Russians would want JFK dead and LBJ as president.

You're right.....  One of the things that the right wing neo nazi fanatics ( The men who printed the "wanted " poster in the Dallas Newspaper) criticized JFK for was his cooperation with the Russians.   JFK had defused a nuclear bomb by working out a deal with the Russians during the missile crisis in the Fall of 1962. 

Men in Dallas, Like Edwin Walker, HL Hunt, Charles Cabell, Earle Cabell... and many others hated JFK for defusing that situation....

PS...Do you know the "common denominator"  that all of the men listed had in common....    CUBA.....   
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 28, 2019, 04:54:05 PM
Those that blame the KGB, and thereby Russia, cannot cite one piece of supporting evidence or at the very least give one reason why the Russians would want JFK dead and LBJ as president.

Could the Russians have controlled the autopsy?
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 28, 2019, 08:44:58 PM
Dear Walter,

Any reasonable person who actually ... gasp ... read McNally's report would assume he meant that the "Dear Mr. Hunt" note was probably a forgery.

Have you read his report?

Here it is:

FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS OF JOSEPH P. MC NALLY

Procedures (31) I conducted an examination and comparison of the signatures and writings on the items described in this report. At the time of the initial work in Washington, D.C., I made color photomacrographs of the signatures and the writings on these documents. I then made slides from the photomacrographs, which I subsequently projected and studied. The signatures were a particular focus of my examination. (32) I first met with committee staff in Washington, D.C., on September L 1977, to examine and photograph signatures and writings on documents available at the Department of Defense and the National Archives. On September 17 1977, I went to the committee's offices to examine and photograph a photo-reproduction designated item No. 47. On May 8, 1978, I returned to Washington, D.C., to make additional examinations and photographs. These were made at the Department of Defense, the National Archives, and the committee offices. (33) On July 6, 1978, I met with other members of the handwriting panel to review the documents examined and to consult with them. Subsequently, I prepared my final report with my findings and conclusions.

Conclusions (34) I, The signatures "Lee Harvey Oswald" and "Lee H. Oswald" on the following documents were all written by the same person: 1,2,4,5,7,11, and 12. Marine Corps documents. 3. U.S. Armed Forces Loyalty Certificate. 6. USMC fingerprint form. 8. ID card---U.S. Armed Forces, Japan. 9 and 10. Three (3) passport signatures. 13. Carbon of U.S. Armed Forces Report of Discharge. ---------------------------------- *In particular, members noted that not all documents were available in their original. It is standard practice in the profession of questioned document examination to make definitive conclusions only about documents examined in their original. Thus the panel members gave only tentative opinions for items provided them in some type of facsimile.

234 14. Selective Service registration. 15. Selective Service card. 17. Citizenship revocation. 22. Support affidavit. 25. Letter to "The Worker". 27, 45 and 46. Signatures on U.S.P.O. applications (4). 31. Photo of Lee Oswald (back). 32. Letter to "Fair Play for Cuba". 33. Fair Play for Cuba card. 34. Passport application. 36. New Orleans Police Department fingerprint form, dated Aug. 9, 1968. 37. Photocopy of New Orleans Police Department fingerprint form. 38. Letter to the "Communist Party U.S.A." 39. Hotel registry. 40. Application for Cuban visa. 41. Photograph of carbon of application for Cuban visa. 42. Letter to Russian Embassy. 43. Employment form. 44. Form W4. 45. P.O. Box 6225 application. 46. Receipt for key to P.O. Box 6225. 48. Photomechanical copy of letter to Russian Embassy. 55. Dallas Public Library card. (35)

II. The script writing on the following documents was done by the same person: 17. Citizenship revocation. 19. Stationery of Holland-American Line. 20. Self-questionnaire. 21. Photocopy of self-questionnaire. 22. Support affidavit. 25. Letter to "The Worker". 29. Xerox of Klein's money order. 30. Letter to "Fair Play for Cuba". 38. Letter to "Communist Party U.S.A.". 42. Letter to the Russian Embassy. 48. Photomechanical copy of letter to Russian Embassy. (36)

III. A number of documents have script and handprint, both of which are by the same person (the script writings of these documents correspond to that of documents listed above under I and II): 16. Historical diary. 18. Aline Mosby interview. 26. Employment application with letter. 30. Envelope and order form--Klein's. 43. Employment application and letter of resignation. (37)

IV. A few documents have handprint only. On those listed below, all the hand print is by the same person, and it corresponds to the handprint on documents listed above under III. Since the script in items under III corresponds to the script in items under II, it can be concluded that the items under II, III, and IV correspond. 9. Inside cover of passport. 27, 45 and 46. U.S.P.O. forms--box rental. 51. Speech. 235 (38)

V. In summary, the script writing (much of it on documents also bearing the signature of Lee H. Oswald) is identifiable with the signatures, "Lee H. Oswald." From the script writing on the documents described in section II, it is possible to create composite signatures, "Lee Harvey Oswald" and "Lee H. Oswald," which correspond to the Oswald signatures on the documents listed in section I. (39)

VI. The Russian language writing on documents 23, 56, and 57 is by the same person. Although there are a few letter design forms which appear to be in the Cyrillic alphabet, the bulk are in the Latin alphabet and correspond to their counterparts in the script and hand print in the documents listed in sections I, II, III, and IV above. (40)

VII. The two signatures, "Lee H. Oswald," in item 52 (receipts salary--Texas School Book Depository) do not correspond to the Oswald signatures as described under section I. The handwriting appears to be more skillful, with a more rhythmic flow. It varies in slant and differs in proportion. The overall writing pattern differs from the Oswald signatures in section I, as do the individual letter designs. The "L" of item 52 is taller and without an eyelet loop at the top right of the "L" as found in the section I signatures. The "H" of item 52 is distinctly different from the "II" in the section I signatures. The "0" of item 5'2 retraces on itself, not the case in the section I signatures, where it loops around at the top right and usually swings into the following "s". The "d" of item 52 reverses slant to go backhand, which does not occur in the section I signatures. (41)

VIII. The signature, "Lee Harvey Oswald," on the Hunt note (item 4-7) does not correspond to the Oswald signatures described under section I. To begin with, the bulk of the documents which are signed with the full name, "Lee Harvey Oswald," are more formal in tone. For example, the full name appears on all but one of the Marine Corps documents. The full name appears infrequently elsewhere-usually only the first name, middle initial, and last name are used. Further, in the Hunt note, the middle name "Harvey" is misspelled-the "e" appears to be missing; the "H" of "Harvey" differs from that found in the section I signatures; the "ar" of "Harvey" is ellided to a point that does not occur in any section I signatures; the "0" of "Oswald" is retraced part of the way along the left side, not true of the section I Oswald signatures; and the ending "d" of Oswald is smaller than the preceding "l", whereas most of the ending "d"s of the section I signatures are taller than the "l" (only in signatures that appear to be "squeezed-in" is the end "d" shorter than the preceding "1"). (42) While the script writing on the Hunt note is similar in pictorial quality to the writings under section II, the format of the note differs from that of the notes and letters of section II. The writing line is so exact as almost to give the impression it has been made on a ruled line. Usually Oswald writes in an arrhythmic manner--for example, with an irregular and crooked writing line. This writing creates the jumbled effect apparent in the section II documents. (43) From the examinations of item 4-7, it was determined that the signature does not correspond with any of the Oswald signatures of section I. Similarly, the writing does not correspond to that in the section II Oswald documents. (44) I would like to note, however, that the quality of the original photo reproductions of the Hunt note was poor. Under the best of circumstances, reproductions lack clarity and detail. Here, as can be seen from the copies, the original photo reproduction was out of focus, giving the document a fuzzy appearance. Accurate analysis was difficult. The note is highly suspicious. The original would have to be checked in order to make a more definite analysis and reach a definitive conclusion. (45)

IX. An examination and comparison was made of writings and signatures on documents attributed to Marina Oswald. The writings on the note (item 28) are such poor copies that it is virtually impossible to make a definite determination as to whether they correspond with the signatures of Marina Oswald on item 24. There is some similarity between the name in the return address on the envelope of item 28 and the signature of Marina Oswald on her entry papers (item 24), but the return address name is obscured to some extent by the postmark. The rest of the writing on the note (item 28) is not sufficiently parallel to the writing on her entry documents (item 29) and exemplars (item 54) to warrant any effective determination. (46) The name, "A. J. Hidell" on the Fair Play for Cuba card (item 33) was examined and compared with the exemplar writings of Marina Oswald (item 54). It was determined that. the "A. 5. Hidell" of the card (item 33) was written by Marina Oswald (as in item 54). The writing pattern of the signature on the card corresponds with that of the name "A. J. Hidell" as written by Marina Oswald on item 54. The Hidell signature in question is written with the same degree of writing skill as evinced by Marina Oswald. The slant, speed, proportions, et cetera, of the Hidell signature is matched in the writings of Marina Oswald. The design, form, and execution of stroke making up the individual letters of the Hidell signature in question (item 33) correspond to those of the letters in the writing of Marina Oswald (item 54). (47)

X. The "Jack Ruby" signature on the Cuban identification card (item 53) was examined and compared with exemplars of Jack Ruby (item 49). It was determined that the "Jack Ruby" of the Cuban identification card was written by the author of the exemplar signatures attributed to Jack Ruby (item 49). While there is an odd "J" in the identification card which does not occur in the Ruby exemplars, the rest of the letters tally in all respects. The signature has been written quickly, easily, and fluently, consistent with the writing pattern of the known exemplars. The odd "J" may be "accidental" or could be accounted for in additional writing of Ruby, most likely in spontaneous writing contemporaneous with the signature of the identification card. "Request" writing, such as that of item 49, sometimes differs slight extent from "spontaneous" writing. (48)

XI. A check was made of the historical diary (item 16). The 12 pages were written with the same type of writing instrument. The paper used for 11 of the 12 pages is similar; only the last page differs--it is appreciably thinner. The writing has a continuity from page to page and line to line that is indicative of being written about, or at, the same time. It does not give the impression of being "random" as would be expected of a diary extended over a period of time. It appears that this diary has been written within a short period of time and not over any extensive period. 237

Summary of conclusions (49) Virtually all the Lee H. Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald signatures are by the same person. There is some normal variation among the signatures, and no significant differences along the Oswald signatures identified as being the same. The overall writing pattern consistently similar, and the individual letter designs match throughout without major differences. The same holds true for the script and hand print on these documents that are identified as being written by the same person. (50) The same writing is on the U.S. Postal money order to Klein's (item 29) as is on the various letters and correspondence. The same writing is on the order form and envelope (item 30) as is on the letters and on the inside cover of the passport (item 9). (51) The writing and signatures that appear on the letters (items 25, 32, 38, and 42) agree with the writing and signatures on the U.S. Post Office applications for post office boxes (items 27, 45, and 46). (52) The signature and writing on the back of the photograph (item 31) agree with the signatures and script writing of Oswald (sections and II). (53) Differences indicative of different authorship were found on the "Hunt" note (item 47) and the salary receipts (item 52). (54) It appears that the historical dairy (item 16) was written within a short period of time.

http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/hscahand.htm

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

VII. The two signatures, "Lee H. Oswald," in item 52 (receipts salary--Texas School Book Depository) do not correspond to the Oswald signatures as described under section I. The handwriting appears to be more skillful, with a more rhythmic flow.

Mr McNalley concluded that Lee Oswald was NOT the person who signed the salary receipts for the TSBD..... 

WHO forged he signature of Lee Oswald ???
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 29, 2019, 01:31:23 AM
VII. The two signatures, "Lee H. Oswald," in item 52 (receipts salary--Texas School Book Depository) do not correspond to the Oswald signatures as described under section I. The handwriting appears to be more skillful, with a more rhythmic flow.

Mr McNalley concluded that Lee Oswald was NOT the person who signed the salary receipts for the TSBD..... 

WHO forged he signature of Lee Oswald ???

There's not a shred of doubt in my mind that Lee Oswald wrote the "Dear Mr Hunt" note.... He wrote it on Friday November 8,  1963 and delivered it to Hunt Oil Company offices before going to Irving for the weekend.   The next day, Saturday November 9, 1963,  he drafted the letter to the Russian Embassy.   

He was in a very ebullient and in happy mood at the House of Paine that weekend ....WHY??  Could it be that HL Hunt had offered him a position at Hunt Oil....  Was the reason for the note simply a request for a little more information about that position?   

Perhaps many of you will recall that Fidel Castro grabbed many American owned businesses when he took over in Cuba....  H.L. hunt owned some of those manufacturing and refineries.

Hunt Knew that Fidel Castro was dealing with the Russians, ( trading cheap Russian oil for Cuban sugar. )   Since Lee was fluent in Russian and was married to a Russian woman He would have been valuable to H.L Hunt as an interpreter for conversations between Cuba and Russia......  Is it possible that this is the position that Hunt had offered Lee Oswald?

PS....HL Hunt must have been furious to know that Castro was using his refineries to profit ....in competition with his western enterprises.....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on January 29, 2019, 01:52:17 AM
There's not a shred of doubt in my mind that Lee Oswald wrote the "Dear Mr Hunt" note.... He wrote it on Friday November 8,  1963 and delivered it to Hunt Oil Company offices before going to Irving for the weekend.   The next day, Saturday November 9, 1963,  he drafted the letter to the Russian Embassy.   

He was in a very ebullient and in happy mood at the House of Paine that weekend ....WHY??  Could it be that HL Hunt had offered him a position at Hunt Oil....  Was the reason for the note simply a request for a little more information about that position?   

Perhaps many of you will recall that Fidel Castro grabbed many American owned businesses when he took over in Cuba....  H.L. hunt owned some of those manufacturing and refineries.

Hunt Knew that Fidel Castro was dealing with the Russians, ( trading cheap Russian oil for Cuban sugar. )   Since Lee was fluent in Russian and was married to a Russian woman He would have been valuable to H.L Hunt as an interpreter for conversations between Cuba and Russia......  Is it possible that this is the position that Hunt had offered Lee Oswald?

PS....HL Hunt must have been furious to know that Castro was using his refineries to profit ....in competition with his western enterprises.....

Dear Walter,

Why was handwriting expert McNally highly suspicious of the authenticity of the note?

Why did KGB defector Mitrokhin say that the KGB had forged it?

Why only a fuzzy photocopy, not the original?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 29, 2019, 01:59:00 AM
Dear Walter,

Why was handwriting expert McNally highly suspicious of the authenticity of the note?

Why did KGB defector Mitrokhin say that the KGB had forged it?

Why only a fuzzy photocopy, not the original?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Do you want to listen ....or argue?

P.S.....  I prefer to be simply "Walt"....  But if you insist on adding the "er" and using the more formal "Walter", then please also use the prefix   "Sir"  ...   
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on January 29, 2019, 03:19:19 AM
Do you want to listen ....or argue?

Dear Walter,

I'm not arguing with you, I'm trying to debate you, but you seem to be unable to counter my assertion that handwriting expert McNally found the note suspicious on technical handwriting grounds, and that KGB defector Mitrokhin admitted that the KGB had forged it.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 29, 2019, 03:28:40 PM
Dear Walter,

I'm not arguing with you, I'm trying to debate you, but you seem to be unable to counter my assertion that handwriting expert McNally found the note suspicious on technical handwriting grounds, and that KGB defector Mitrokhin admitted that the KGB had forged it.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Why was handwriting expert McNally highly suspicious of the authenticity of the note?

What about the note made McNally suspicious?   He did NOT specify...... He said he found differences in the characters in the writing, but the differences he elucidated are not necessarily proof that Lee Oswald did not write the note.....In fact there are far more characteristics that are common to Lee Oswald's penmanship than there are anomalies.....

McNalley's opinion, is simply his opinion.......

Why did KGB defector Mitrokhin say that the KGB had forged it?

My name is not Mitrokin.....  So how the hell would I know?

Why only a fuzzy photocopy, not the original?

IMO....MacNalley was given poor reproductions to work with because they wanted him to be less than 100% positive......

Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 29, 2019, 08:40:40 PM
Why was handwriting expert McNally highly suspicious of the authenticity of the note?

What about the note made McNally suspicious?   He did NOT specify...... He said he found differences in the characters in the writing, but the differences he elucidated are not necessarily proof that Lee Oswald did not write the note.....In fact there are far more characteristics that are common to Lee Oswald's penmanship than there are anomalies.....

McNalley's opinion, is simply his opinion.......

Why did KGB defector Mitrokhin say that the KGB had forged it?

My name is not Mitrokin.....  So how the hell would I know?

Why only a fuzzy photocopy, not the original?

IMO....MacNalley was given poor reproductions to work with because they wanted him to be less than 100% positive......


Notice that Ruby refers to a "POSITION" that he occupies.....
Notice that in the MR Hunt note Lee asks for in formation about the "POSITION" ......
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on January 29, 2019, 11:16:55 PM
Why was handwriting expert McNally highly suspicious of the authenticity of the note?

What about the note made McNally suspicious?   He did NOT specify...... He said he found differences in the characters in the writing, but the differences he elucidated are not necessarily proof that Lee Oswald did not write the note.....In fact there are far more characteristics that are common to Lee Oswald's penmanship than there are anomalies.....

McNalley's opinion, is simply his opinion.......

Why did KGB defector Mitrokhin say that the KGB had forged it?

My name is not Mitrokin.....  So how the hell would I know?

Why only a fuzzy photocopy, not the original?

IMO....MacNalley was given poor reproductions to work with because they wanted him to be less than 100% positive......


Dear Walter,

You're right, McNally's opinion that the note was "highly suspicious" on technical grounds was ... his opinion as a professional handwriting analyst.

You're right, only a fuzzy photocopy was provided (by the KGB) to Penn Jones (or whomever), so that it would be impossible to say with 100% certainty that it was a forgery.

You're right, you're not Mitrokhin. Regardless, can you think of any reason he'd say that, unless he was ... gasp ... an evil, eil, evil CIA agent?


-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 30, 2019, 04:54:28 PM
Dear Walter,

You're right, McNally's opinion that the note was "highly suspicious" on technical grounds was ... his opinion as a professional handwriting analyst.

You're right, only a fuzzy photocopy was provided (by the KGB) to Penn Jones (or whomever), so that it would be impossible to say with 100% certainty that it was a forgery.

You're right, you're not Mitrokhin. Regardless, can you think of any reason he'd say that, unless he was ... gasp ... an evil, eil, evil CIA agent?


-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

A new book written last year (2018) entitled  " H.L. Hunt... Motive and Opportunity " is the story told by a very close associate of Haroldson Lafayette Hunt, the president of Hunt Oil and dozens of other big buck businesses ......

The associate and employee is named John Curington who I believe he is 96 years old, was employed as H.L. Hunt's right hand man from 1954 until 1969.  John was privy to H L Hunt's private and business life. He knows nearly everything that H.L Hunt did in his life....

Curington presented  to Whitington the author, a note, or a photo copy of the note....  That note is the "Dear Mr Hunt" note....

The 96 year old Curington told Whitington that Mr Hunt had that note after the assassination and he called the FBI and a FBI agent came and took the note and he never saw it again.

Question:.... If he never saw it again how could he present it to Whitington?     

The picture of the "Dear Mr Hunt" note on page 121 of the book is a fairly good image ....and it can be seen that the note had been folded ( probably to enable it to fit in an envelope)   Some photo geek might be able to determine if the picture on page 121 was taken of the original note, or if it was taken from a photocopy of the note....   I doubt that those creases would show up on a second or third generation photo copy.....  So therefore I suspect that Curington gave Whitington the original note.... and NOT a copy of it .
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: John Iacoletti on January 31, 2019, 11:13:11 PM
"highly suspicious."

In what way??   What did he mean the note was "highly suspicious"??

It was "highly suspicious", because anything that would imply that Oswald was anything but a lone disgruntled nut was suspicious by definition.

Handwriting "analysis" is biased and unscientific.  Examiners will come to whatever conclusion the people paying them want.
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 31, 2019, 11:50:16 PM
It was "highly suspicious", because anything that would imply that Oswald was anything but a lone disgruntled nut was suspicious by definition.

Handwriting "analysis" is biased and unscientific.  Examiners will come to whatever conclusion the people paying them want.

Handwriting "analysis" is biased and unscientific.

I believe you're right.   In fact I'm concerned that my own bias might be influencing me, about the Dear Mr Hunt note.....But I truly believe that note was in fact written by Lee Oswald...

I think  Mc Nalley might have meant that the note was "cryptic" rather than suspicious ...and I certainly agree that it is cryptic.   What was Lee asking for?....and what was the position he referred to?   However there is no longer any question in my mind about the identity of "Mr Hunt" ....  I convinced Mr Hunt is H.L. Hunt....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 07, 2019, 10:12:32 PM
Dear Walter,

Please don't tell me that you didn't read all of my longish post a couple of posts back.

Because if so, then you're almost as lazy as xxxxxxxxx, dude.

(Hint: Rhymes with "In da confetti")

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

About a year ago I read about a young man who said that he saw Lee Oswald and David Atlee Philips meet and talk about something in the lobby of a building in Dallas.....  I need something to jog my memory about where I read that....   
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 08, 2019, 03:38:54 AM
About a year ago I read about a young man who said that he saw Lee Oswald and David Atlee Philips meet and talk about something in the lobby of a building in Dallas.....  I need something to jog my memory about where I read that....

Dear Walter,

What does Phillips' allegedly meeting with Oswald and then with an early-arriving Antonio Vechiana at that bank building have to do with the blurry "Dear Mr. Hunt" photocopy?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 08, 2019, 01:44:49 PM
Dear Walter,

What does Phillips' allegedly meeting with Oswald and then with an early-arriving Antonio Vechiana at that bank building have to do with the blurry "Dear Mr. Hunt" photocopy?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Not sure.... But I'd like to know more about this report that Lee Oswald met with David Atlee Philips in Dallas.

You apparently are familiar with the story.....  Can you direct me to the book in which I read about that?
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 08, 2019, 03:08:51 PM
Dear Walter,

What does Phillips' allegedly meeting with Oswald and then with an early-arriving Antonio Vechiana at that bank building have to do with the blurry "Dear Mr. Hunt" photocopy?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)


the blurry "Dear Mr. Hunt" photocopy?..... 

I'm not sure what you're referring to....   Why do you describe the"Dear Mr Hunt" note as a BLURRY photocopy.....  The picture that I've seen is not a photocopy.
It doesn't appear to have been reproduced in a photocopy machine.... It appears to be a photo that was taken with a camera.....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 08, 2019, 05:30:56 PM

the blurry "Dear Mr. Hunt" photocopy?..... 

I'm not sure what you're referring to....   Why do you describe the"Dear Mr Hunt" note as a BLURRY photocopy.....  The picture that I've seen is not a photocopy.
It doesn't appear to have been reproduced in a photocopy machine.... It appears to be a photo that was taken with a camera.....

Dear Walter,

Then why the fuzziness the handwriting expert wrote about in his report that he said made it impossible for him to determine with100% certainty whether or not the note was bona fide or bogus?

IIRC, he said it looked to him as though "the note" was a blown up image of a microfilm image that itself was out of focus.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)


Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 08, 2019, 06:17:15 PM
Dear Walter,

Then why the fuzziness the handwriting expert wrote about in his report that he said made it impossible for him to determine with100% certainty whether or not the note was bona fide or bogus?

IIRC, he said it looked to him as though "the note" was a blown up image of a microfilm image that itself was out of focus.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Perhaps Mr McNally was looking at something different than what I've seen.....  The "Dear Mr Hunt Note that i've seen appears to have been taken with a camera....Not a photocopy  machine.   The photo that I've seen isn't "blurry".....   And I'm convinced that it was in fact written by Lee Oswald....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 08, 2019, 06:21:51 PM
Perhaps Mr McNally was looking at something different than what I've seen.....  The "Dear Mr Hunt Note that i've seen appears to have been taken with a camera....Not a photocopy  machine.   The photo that I've seen isn't "blurry".....   And I'm convinced that it was in fact written by Lee Oswald....

Dear Walter,

How many "Dear Mr. Hunt" notes do you figure Oswald wrote?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 08, 2019, 06:27:23 PM
Dear Walter,

How many "Dear Mr. Hunt" notes do you figure Oswald wrote?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Oh you're real cute.....Tommy Mudd Wrassler.....  But you're not as clever as you perceive yourself to be.....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 08, 2019, 06:37:50 PM
Dear Walter,

EDIT # 1:

Handwriting expert McNally said that the poor-quality photocopy Penn Jones received from a mysterious source in Mexico City (Nikolai Leonov?) looked as though it was a blown up photocopy of a microfilm image which itself was out of focus.

Which suggests that the mysterious sender wanted the note to be fuzzy so that it couldn't be analyzed with any certainty.

Care to comment?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

EDIT # 2:

In your first post, this thread, you wrote:

Whitington presented a photo of the note 
in the book that is a bit different than other copies of the note that I've seen...which leads me to believe that Curington presented a photocopy of the note to Mitchel.


Dear Walter,

Would you please specify what these differences are?

Thank you.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 08, 2019, 06:56:22 PM
Dear Walter,

[Edit in progress ...]

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Do you think the HSCA gave McNally the same note that's photo-reproduced in this wonderful new book you're talking about, and that said note, when it was in his hands and under his magnifying glass, was too fuzzy for him to conclusively analyze, but in your book is crystal clear?

Or do you think they were different notes altogether?


The question is utterly stupid, and does not warrant an answer......

Do you think the HSCA gave McNally the same note that's photo-reproduced in this wonderful new book


The HSCA gave McNally a reproduction of the Dear Mr Hunt note,...... How would I know what Mc Nally's copy looked like???..... He said it was fuzzy and not a good clear copy ....and therefore he couldn't draw any solid conclusion about the note.   

However, your suggestion that the note was created by Russian spies is utterly ludicrous ....LOL.
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 08, 2019, 07:08:39 PM
Dear Walter,

EDIT # 1:

Handwriting expert McNally said that the poor-quality photocopy Penn Jones received from a mysterious source in Mexico City (Nikolai Leonov?) twelve years after the assassination and "dated" November 8, 1963, looked as though it was a blown up photocopy of a microfilm image which itself was out of focus.

Which suggests that the mysterious sender wanted the note to be fuzzy so that it couldn't be analyzed with any certainty.

Care to comment?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

EDIT # 2:

In your first post, this thread, you wrote:

Whitington presented a photo of the note in the book that is a bit different than other copies of the note that I've seen...which leads me to believe that Curington presented a photocopy of the note to Mitchel.

Dear Walter,

Would you please specify what these differences are?

Thank you.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Completely rewritten, then edited again, and bumped.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 08, 2019, 07:11:09 PM
Dear Walter,

EDIT # 1:

Handwriting expert McNally said that the poor-quality photocopy Penn Jones received from a mysterious source in Mexico City (Nikolai Leonov?) looked as though it was a blown up photocopy of a microfilm image which itself was out of focus.

Which suggests that the mysterious sender wanted the note to be fuzzy so that it couldn't be analyzed with any certainty.

Care to comment?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

EDIT # 2:

In your first post, this thread, you wrote:

Whitington presented a photo of the note 
in the book that is a bit different than other copies of the note that I've seen...which leads me to believe that Curington presented a photocopy of the note to Mitchel.


Dear Walter,

Would you please specify what these differences are?

Thank you.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Would you please specify what these differences are?

No!
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 08, 2019, 07:15:30 PM
Would you please specify what these differences are?

No!

Dear Walter,

Why not?

Would doing so tend to indicate that more than one "Dear Mr. Hunt" note was written, and maybe even over the years?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 08, 2019, 07:27:46 PM
Dear Walter,

Why not?

Would doing so tend to indicate that more than one "Dear Mr. Hunt" note was written, and maybe even over the years?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

There was only ONE  "Dear Mr Hunt" note.... that is the one that Lee Oswald wrote to Mr H.L. Hunt on November 8. 1963.   It's the note in which Lee requested a meeting with Mr H.L. Hunt so he could clarify and better understand his role.... before any action was taken by himself or anybody else.....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 08, 2019, 07:39:54 PM
There was only ONE  "Dear Mr Hunt" note.... that is the one that Lee Oswald wrote to Mr H.L. Hunt on November 8. 1963.   It's the note in which Lee requested a meeting with Mr H.L. Hunt so he could clarify and better understand his role.... before any action was taken by himself or anybody else.....

Dear Walter,

Why did you write in your first post, this thread, that there appeared to be differences between Carrington's note and other copies of the note that you've seen?

Are you talking about a difference or two that a photocopying machine could somehow make in its reproduction of the (itself photocopied) note?

Or of photocopies of photocopies?

Please explain.

Thank you.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 09, 2019, 04:19:05 PM
Dear Walter,

Why did you write in your first post, this thread, that there appeared to be differences between Carrington's note and other copies of the note that you've seen?

Are you talking about a difference or two that a photocopying machine could somehow make in its reproduction of the (itself photocopied) note?

Or of photocopies of photocopies?

Please explain.

Thank you.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

If you'll present the "Dear Mr Hunt note" that McNally was using.... perhaps we can move forward and better understand what he meant about various aspects of the note.....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 09, 2019, 09:33:31 PM
If you'll present the "Dear Mr Hunt note" that McNally was using.... perhaps we can move forward and better understand what he meant about various aspects of the note.....

Dear Walter,

Have you never seen it?

How many "Dear Mr. Hunt" notes have you seen over the years?

Excluding Carrington's, do they all look the same?

If so, how does Carrington's vary from the others you have seen?

Regardless, how shall I go about "presenting" said note so that you can make out the details that he testified about and wrote about?

Shall I borrow it from the National Archives and have it professionally scanned for you?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 09, 2019, 09:44:58 PM
Dear Walter,

Have you never seen it?

How many "Dear Mr. Hunt" notes have you seen over the years?

Excluding Carrington's, do they all look the same?

If so, how does Carrington's vary from the others you have seen?

Regardless, how shall I go about "presenting" said note so that you can make out the details that he testified about and wrote about?

Shall I borrow it from the National Archives and have it professionally scanned for you?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Just post what you believe to be the note that McNally was using......

In the book "Reasonable Doubt" by Henry Hurt the caption beneath the photocopy of the note reads....Quote... " Bearing Oswald's name, this note to "Mr Hunt" dated November 8. 1963 was mailed anonymously to a Texas assassination researcher in 1975. Handwriting experts have differed over whether the writing really is Oswald's. No definite answer could be reached by experts empaneled by the HSCA . However there are striking similarities to Oswald's erratic style and handwriting
 The identity of "Mr Hunt" is not known."


I believe the Texas assassination researcher was .......Penn Jones

The wording beneath the photocopy says "This note to Mr Hunt"...Implies that the actual note was sent to the researcher....Not a photocopy of the note....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 09, 2019, 09:58:07 PM
Just post what you believe to be the note that McNally was using......

Dear Walter,

Have you never seen in a book, or on the Internet, or perhaps on a DVD a reproduction of the note that McNally analyzed for the HSCA?

If you have, was it full-sized and sufficiently well-reproduced so that one can see in it the details McNally testified about and wrote about?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 09, 2019, 10:13:55 PM
Dear Walter,

Have you never seen in a book, or on the Internet, or perhaps on a DVD a reproduction of the note that McNally analyzed for the HSCA?

If you have, was it full-sized and sufficiently well-reproduced so that one can see in it the details McNally testified about and wrote about?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

If you have, was it full-sized and sufficiently well-reproduced so that one can see in it the details McNally testified about and wrote about?

I've never seen a full size well reproduced copy of the note..... 

In the book "Reasonable Doubt" by Henry Hurt the caption beneath the photocopy of the note reads....Quote... " Bearing Oswald's name, this note to "Mr Hunt" dated November 8. 1963 was mailed anonymously to a Texas assassination researcher in 1975. Handwriting experts have differed over whether the writing really is Oswald's. No definite answer could be reached by experts empaneled by the HSCA . However there are striking similarities to Oswald's erratic style and handwriting
 The identity of "Mr Hunt" is not known."

I believe the Texas assassination researcher was .......Penn Jones

The wording beneath the photocopy says "This note to Mr Hunt"...Implies that the actual note was sent to the researcher....Not a photocopy of the note....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 09, 2019, 10:31:06 PM
If you have, was it full-sized and sufficiently well-reproduced so that one can see in it the details McNally testified about and wrote about?

I've never seen a full size well reproduced copy of the note..... 

In the book "Reasonable Doubt" by Henry Hurt the caption beneath the photocopy of the note reads....Quote... " Bearing Oswald's name, this note to "Mr Hunt" dated November 8. 1963 was mailed anonymously to a Texas assassination researcher in 1975. Handwriting experts have differed over whether the writing really is Oswald's. No definite answer could be reached by experts empaneled by the HSCA . However there are striking similarities to Oswald's erratic style and handwriting
 The identity of "Mr Hunt" is not known."

I believe the Texas assassination researcher was .......Penn Jones

The wording beneath the photocopy says "This note to Mr Hunt"...Implies that the actual note was sent to the researcher....Not a photocopy of the note....

Dear Walter,

Yes, but then again even authors are not always precise in their verbiage, are they?

Especially when they're "pushing" a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory and want you to believe that what they're showing you in their book is a reproduction of an original note that's in their (or their patron's) possession, when in reality it's  just a reproduction of an intentionally-fuzzy photocopy of the KGB-forged original, which intentionally-fuzzy photocopy was sent to, or "found" by, their patron.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 10, 2019, 12:00:52 AM
Dear Walter,

Why did you write in your first post, this thread, that there appeared to be differences between Carrington's note and other copies of the note that you've seen?

Are you talking about a difference or two that a photocopying machine could somehow make in its reproduction of the (itself photocopied) note?

Or of photocopies of photocopies?

Please explain.

Thank you.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

I was NOT referring to the handwriting.....  I was referring to the creases where the note had been folded .......I don't recall seeing those creases in the photocopies that I'd seen in various books...   AND I believe if the note had been photocopied in a photocopy machine the creases would not be so visible, simply because  the photocopies back then required a "carrier" which would have pressed note flat.....   And this copy looks like it was made by using a camera....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 10, 2019, 12:24:36 AM
I was NOT referring to the handwriting.....  I was referring to the creases where the note had been folded .......I don't recall seeing those creases in the photocopies that I'd seen in various books...   AND I believe if the note had been photocopied in a photocopy machine the creases would not be so visible, simply because  the photocopies back then required a "carrier" which would have pressed note flat.....   And this copy looks like it was made by using a camera....

Dear Walter,

Why was drawing that out of you like pulling teeth?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 10, 2019, 12:55:30 AM
Dear Walter,

Why was drawing that out of you like pulling teeth?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Are you a dentist?
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 10, 2019, 01:00:35 AM
Are you a dentist?

Dear Walter,

No, but you certainly are a jerk.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 10, 2019, 01:02:50 AM
Dear Walter,

No, but you certainly are a jerk.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Heee.heee.hee....  Some call me an A---hole...    Could not care less....

I had hoped that you would post a copy that was a FULL PAGE...   Because the copies that I've seen give the impression that the " NOTE" is on a small piece of paper.

I believe the note was written in the same size paper that Lee used to create the rough draft of the Russian Embassy letter  .....He may have used the same pen and paper .... The Hunt note is dated November 8, 1963 ...And the Russian Embassy letter is dated November 9.......
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 11, 2019, 01:02:02 AM
Heee.heee.hee....  Some call me an A---hole...    Could not care less....

I had hoped that you would post a copy that was a FULL PAGE...   Because the copies that I've seen give the impression that the " NOTE" is on a small piece of paper.

I believe the note was written in the same size paper that Lee used to create the rough draft of the Russian Embassy letter  .....He may have used the same pen and paper .... The Hunt note is dated November 8, 1963 ...And the Russian Embassy letter is dated November 9.......

Apparently there's not much interest among the members of this forum with regard to the " Dear Mr Hunt" note.....  But FWIW....  I am 100% certain that Lee Oswald was the man who wrote the note....and I am also certain that the "Mr Hunt" to whom the note was addressed was Mr H.L Hunt , the president of Hunt Oil Company of Dallas, Texas. 
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 11, 2019, 01:06:02 AM
Apparently there's not much interest among the members of this forum with regard to the " Dear Mr Hunt" note.....  But FWIW....  I am 100% certain that Lee Oswald was the man who wrote the note....and I am also certain that the "Mr Hunt" to whom the note was addressed was Mr H.L Hunt , the president of Hunt Oil Company of Dallas, Texas.

Dear Walter,

Do you really think anyone here truly cares what you believe in or are "100% certain" of?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 11, 2019, 01:17:11 AM
Dear Walter,

Do you really think anyone here truly cares what you believe?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Do you really think anyone here truly cares what you believe?

That's irrelevant......  But yes, i am sure there are others who would benefit from the opinion of another student ....  And that's why I posted that I'm 100% certain that Lee Oswald wrote the note.... and he addressed it to H.L. Hunt.     
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 11, 2019, 01:34:20 AM
Do you really think anyone here truly cares what you believe?

That's irrelevant......  But yes, i am sure there are others who would benefit from the opinion of another student ....  And that's why I posted that I'm 100% certain that Lee Oswald wrote the note.... and he addressed it to H.L. Hunt.     

Dear Walter,

No one seems to care what you think.

Maybe because you rarely back up your "certainties" with verifiable evidence?

LOL

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 11, 2019, 01:38:11 AM
Dear Walter,

No one seems to care what you think.

Maybe because you rarely back up your "certainties" with verifiable evidence?

LOL

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Oh stop...Please you're breaking my heart......LOL!!
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 11, 2019, 03:52:36 AM
Oh stop...Please your breaking my heart......LOL!!

Dear Walter,

Is that the best you've got?

"Oh please stop, you're breaking my heart," and screwy vignettes from third-rate books?

Where did you read that the FBI determined that Gilberto Alvarado Ugarte was on the CIA payroll, Walter?

Alex Jones?

Vladimir Putin?

James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio?

Don't remember now?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 11, 2019, 02:07:51 PM
Dear Walter,

Is that the best you've got?

"Oh please stop, you're breaking my heart," and screwy vignettes from third-rate books?

Where did you read that the FBI determined that Gilberto Alvarado Ugarte was on the CIA payroll, Walter?

Alex Jones?

Vladimir Putin?

James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio?

Don't remember now?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy :)

Where did you read that the FBI determined that Gilberto Alvarado Ugarte was on the CIA payroll, Walter?

Why would you ask??   You're not interested in learning anything.....  But if you check "Our Man In Mexico "by Winston Scott....you'll find the answer.
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 11, 2019, 09:19:19 PM
Where did you read that the FBI determined that Gilberto Alvarado Ugarte was on the CIA payroll, Walter?

Why would you ask??   You're not interested in learning anything.....  But if you check "Our Man In Mexico "by Winston Scott....you'll find the answer.

Dear Walter,

Your asinine statement that I'm "not interested in learning" is a suggestion I refuse to accept.

Our Man in Mexico, huh?

Have you read my one-star Amazon review (under my username "dumptrumpputin") of Jefferson "Intellectually Dishonest" Morley's book, The Ghost?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 11, 2019, 10:03:36 PM
Dear Walter,

Your asinine statement that I'm "not interested in learning" is a suggestion I refuse to accept.

Our Man in Mexico, huh?

Have you read my one-star Amazon review (under my username "dumptrumpputin") of Jefferson "Intellectually Dishonest" Morley's book, The Ghost?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Your asinine statement that I'm "not interested in learning" is a suggestion I refuse to accept.

Well of course you'd reject my observation that you have no interest in expanding your knowledge....  You're a charter member of the "don't bother me with facts, my mind is made up" club.
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 11, 2019, 10:49:06 PM
Your asinine statement that I'm "not interested in learning" is a suggestion I refuse to accept.

Well of course you'd reject my observation that you have no interest in expanding your knowledge....  You're a charter member of the "don't bother me with facts, my mind is made up" club.

Dear Walter,

And you?

Care to learn about KGB double-agents Aleksei Kulak and Ivan Obyedkov, who, with the help an Oswald impersonator (probably Spanish and Russian-speaking Nikolai Leonov, himself) planted a WW III Virus in the CIA files of The Man Who Was Not There (Oswald) to ensure that the CIA and FBI covered up all evidence of KGB's and DGI's involvement in the assassination?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 11, 2019, 11:35:48 PM
Dear Walter,

And you?

Care to learn about KGB double-agents Aleksei Kulak and Ivan Obyedkov, who, with the help an Oswald impersonator (probably Spanish and Russian-speaking Nikolai Leonov, himself) planted a WW III Virus in the CIA files of The Man Who Was Not There (Oswald) to ensure that the CIA and FBI covered up all evidence of KGB's and DGI's involvement in the assassination?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

What part of "I'm 100% certain that Lee Oswald wrote that "Dear Mr Hunt" note",  don't you understand?
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 12, 2019, 12:44:13 AM
What part of "I'm 100% certain that Lee Oswald wrote that "Dear Mr Hunt" note",  don't you understand?

Dear Walter,

How does your asinine "100%" question relate to what I wrote in my last post?

Ever heard of Ivan Obyedkov, Aleksei Kulak, and Nikolai Leonov, Walter?

No?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 12, 2019, 03:31:44 PM
Dear Walter,

How does your asinine "100%" question relate to what I wrote in my last post?

Ever heard of Ivan Obyedkov, Aleksei Kulak, and Nikolai Leonov, Walter?

No?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

When I initiated this thread, I thought that maybe someone would join in a intelligent discussion about the cryptic note.  There's not an iota of doubt in my mind that the note was written by Lee Oswald.... and he was writing to Mr H.L Hunt.....But I can only guess at what information he was seeking from H.L.Hunt.   

I suspect that Hunt knew that Lee had fired the shot through Walker's window ....And Hunt was proposing that he could use Lee in a similar stage play involving JFK.
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 12, 2019, 09:23:43 PM
This subject ( The Dear Mr Hunt Note) cannot be debated with a mathematical degree of certainty....   I sincerely believe that a persons conviction about the author of the note depends entirely on that persons intellectual honesty.    ( To Thine Self Be true) 

On that basis, and careful study, I've concluded that the author of the "Dear Mr Hunt" note was in fact Lee Oswald......

Dear Walter,

Okay.

(LOL)

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  In your "careful study," did you take into consideration the things McNally said in his report and in his testimony about certain aspects of the handwriting, and about the (intentional?) fuzziness created by the suspicious photoreproduction process?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 13, 2019, 12:12:29 AM
Dear Walter,

Okay.

(LOL)

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  In your "careful study," did you take into consideration the things McNally said in his report and in his testimony about certain aspects of the handwriting, and about the (intentional?) fuzziness created by the suspicious photoreproduction process?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

did you take into consideration the things McNally said in his report and in his testimony about certain aspects of the handwriting,

Of course I did....The whole idea behind this thread is to exchange ideas with other students....  That was my intention when I started the thread.  Unfortunately you have taken it upon yourself to try to confuse the issue....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 13, 2019, 01:01:26 AM
did you take into consideration the things McNally said in his report and in his testimony about certain aspects of the handwriting,

Of course I did....The whole idea behind this thread is to exchange ideas with other students....  That was my intention when I started the thread.  Unfortunately you have taken it upon yourself to try to confuse the issue....

Dear Walter,

How so?

By pointing out what handwriting expert McNally wrote about the note and said about it in his testimony?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 13, 2019, 01:10:02 AM
Dear Walter,

How so?

By pointing out what handwriting expert McNally wrote about the note and said about it in his testimony?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Why are you falling back on McNally's opinion.... Can't you LOOK at the note and use your own God given brain?
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 13, 2019, 01:14:44 AM
Why are you falling back on McNally's opinion.... Can't you LOOK at the note and use your own God given brain?

Dear Walter,

When you look at the note in a book or on the Internet, do you think the image you're looking at is as detailed, resolution-wise, as the one McNally was able to handle and look at under a magnifying glass if he wanted to?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 13, 2019, 01:33:25 AM
Dear Walter,

When you look at the note in a book or on the Internet, do you think the image you're looking at is as detailed, resolution-wise, as the one McNally was able to handle and look at under a magnifying glass if he wanted to?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Pssssst...Tommy... Mc Nalley himself said that he was working with a blurry image of the note....I have no idea HOW BLURRY the image was....  But the copies that I've seen are a bit blurry but they aren't so blurry that I can't see that the penmanship, spelling. and construction was created by the hand and mind of Lee Oswald...
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 13, 2019, 01:46:18 AM
Pssssst...Tommy... Mc Nalley himself said that he was working with a blurry image of the note....I have no idea HOW BLURRY the image was....  But the copies that I've seen are a bit blurry but they aren't so blurry that I can't see that the penmanship, spelling. and construction was created by the hand and mind of Lee Oswald...

Dear Walter,

Gosh, I never knew you were a handwriting expert!

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 13, 2019, 02:07:33 AM
Dear Walter,

Gosh, I never knew you were a handwriting expert!

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Well now you know.....Because you yourself have recognized that fact and  bestowed that on me....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 13, 2019, 02:43:45 AM
Well now you know.....Because you yourself have recognized that fact and  bestowed that on me....

Dear Walter,

And you're a frickin' brain surgeon, too, right? 

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 13, 2019, 01:10:12 PM
Dear Walter,

And you're a frickin' brain surgeon, too, right? 

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

And you're a frickin' brain surgeon, too, right? 

I can guess why you ask?.....  You realize that there's something wrong with your brain......    But I'm sorry to say, I doubt that your brain problem is repairable, but simply extracting your head might see a significant improvement.

Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 13, 2019, 01:26:29 PM
You realize that there's something wrong with your brain......    But I'm sorry to say, I doubt that your brain problem is repairable, but simply extracting your head might see a significant improvement.
  (http://ruadventures.com/forum/Smileys/animated/biglaugh.gif)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: John Iacoletti on February 13, 2019, 05:19:40 PM
Dear Walter,

Gosh, I never knew you were a handwriting expert!

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

There's no standard for what would make somebody a "handwriting expert".  More so in 1963/4.  You apprenticed with somebody else who had no tests or standards of accuracy either and you became an "expert".  It's like calling somebody an "astrology expert".
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 13, 2019, 07:29:03 PM
There's no standard for what would make somebody a "handwriting expert".  More so in 1963/4.  You apprenticed with somebody else who had no tests or standards of accuracy either and you became an "expert".  It's like calling somebody an "astrology expert".

Iacoletti,

Are you saying that the Warren Commission would have been served equally well, in its efforts to determine the authenticity of writings attributed to Oswald, by choosing Americans at random "off the street"?

LOL

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 13, 2019, 10:39:43 PM
A new book written last year (2018) entitled  " H.L. Hunt... Motive and Opportunity " is the story told by a very close associate of Haroldson Lafayette Hunt, the president of Hunt Oil and dozens of other big buck businesses ......

The associate and employee is named John Curington who I believe he is 96 years old, was employed as H.L. Hunt's right hand man from 1954 until 1969.  John was privy to H L Hunt's private and business life. He knows nearly everything that H.L Hunt did in his life....

After reading his story, I believe Mr Curington is trying to set history straight without violating a promise that he made to H.L. Hunt over a half century ago.
I believe that John Curington knows the truth about the murder of John Kennedy, but will not pull the wrappers off the story.  He tells the various tales that make up his story as if his memory is failing him, or he deliberately isn't making the tale crystal clear.  The story is rather vague, disjointed and rambling, but never-the- less it is a verrrrrry interesting tale.

The author ( Mitchel Whitington) that John Curington selected to write his story obviously knows very little about the murders of JFK, RFK. MLK, and Jimmy Hoffa.....  and consequently writes the story from the perspective of the US Government approved history books.  It's a pity that Mr Whitington doesn't know some of the very basic facts of the murder of JFK and the other three victim,s because Mr Curington gave Michel information that is dynamite. 

One example of a piece of dynamite information that John gave to Mitchel is related to the "Dear Mr Hunt" note.....     John told Mitchel that the note surfaced in the in the inner office mail system of Hunt Oil after the assassination of JFK.  Jon said that the note had been dropped off at the front desk and it was in an envelope addressed to Mr Hunt.  Mr Hunt and Mr Curington read the short note... which said...

 I would like information concerding (sic) my position. I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else.         Lee Harvey Oswald

They then called the FBI ( H.L.Hunt was a personal friend of J.Edgar Hoover and called Hoover and talked to him often) An FBI agent came to Hunt's office and took the note and John Curington never saw it again.....( at least that's what  John Curington told Mitchel Whitington)   However, Whitington presented a photo of the note 
in the book that is a bit different than other copies of the note that I've seen...which leads me to believe that Curington presented a photocopy of the note to Mitchel. 

Those of you who know the official tale concerning that note will recognize that according to Curington the note appeared in Mr Hunt's inner office mail at the Hunt Oil offices.  And it was turned over to the FBI.     And this is contrary to the tale handed to us by the FBI.   

Mr Curington tells  another interesting story in the book..... Curington said that on Saturday November 23, 1963 Mr Hunt called him at home at about 5:30 In the afternoon and asked Curington to go to the Dallas Police headquarters and check out what kind of security, if any.  they had around Lee Harvey Oswald. Curington said that he went to the police station and had no trouble determining that the security for Lee Oswald  was nearly non existent.  Curington claimed that at some point in his nosing around the police station he had pressed the button to summon the elevator.....When the elevator arrived and the door opened he was face to face with Lee Oswald in handcuffs  and Captain Fritz....  Fritz recognized Curington and said..." Meet the S-O-B who killed the president." .....

Curington reported back to Mr Hunt at about midnight and informed Mr Hunt that there was no extraordinary security around Oswald, whereupon Mr Hunt told Curington to call Joe Civello and tell Civello that Mr Hunt wanted to talk to him.  Joe Civello visited the Hunt mansion at about 6:00 AM Sunday morning....

Later that morning at about 11:30 as Mr Curington was sitting in church, someone handed the pastor a note and the pastor announced to the congregation, that Lee Harvey Oswald had just been shot.  Curington said..." I had a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. and recalled my visit to the police station to check on the security of Oswald and then contacting Joe Civello."

Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Tim Nickerson on February 13, 2019, 10:41:51 PM
There's no standard for what would make somebody a "handwriting expert".  More so in 1963/4.  You apprenticed with somebody else who had no tests or standards of accuracy either and you became an "expert".  It's like calling somebody an "astrology expert".

"As a discipline routinely accepted under Frye (Frye v. United States, 54 App. D.C. 46, 293 F. 1013, 1014 [1923]), forensic document examination has been consistently accepted in the courts in spite of the challenges generated by the Daubert decision in 1993 (Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, 509 U.S. 579 [1993]). Published research demonstrates the validity of the expertise and supports the principle of handwriting individuality. Published standards ensure consistency in methodology. Document examiners in both public (local, state, federal, and international) and private laboratories use these standards. Ongoing academic research continues to support the forensic document examination community in strengthening the scientific basis for handwriting comparison."

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/about-us/lab/forensic-science-communications/fsc/oct2009/review/2009_10_review02.htm
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: John Iacoletti on February 14, 2019, 12:14:09 AM
"As a discipline routinely accepted under Frye (Frye v. United States, 54 App. D.C. 46, 293 F. 1013, 1014 [1923]), forensic document examination has been consistently accepted in the courts in spite of the challenges generated by the Daubert decision in 1993 (Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, 509 U.S. 579 [1993]). Published research demonstrates the validity of the expertise and supports the principle of handwriting individuality. Published standards ensure consistency in methodology. Document examiners in both public (local, state, federal, and international) and private laboratories use these standards. Ongoing academic research continues to support the forensic document examination community in strengthening the scientific basis for handwriting comparison."

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/about-us/lab/forensic-science-communications/fsc/oct2009/review/2009_10_review02.htm

From the same document:

The Technical Working Group for Documents, now the Scientific Working Group for Questioned Documents (SWGDOC), was formed in 1997 to address the need for standards in the forensic document community.
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Tim Nickerson on February 14, 2019, 12:27:14 AM
From the same document:

The Technical Working Group for Documents, now the Scientific Working Group for Questioned Documents (SWGDOC), was formed in 1997 to address the need for standards in the forensic document community.

So what?
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: John Iacoletti on February 14, 2019, 12:37:24 AM
So what?

Aren't we talking about examinations conducted way before 1997?
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 14, 2019, 12:40:21 AM
So what?

Tim,

Iacoletti thinks that back in 1964 any high school graduate could have called himself a handwriting analyst and testified as an expert witness in a legal proceeding.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Tim Nickerson on February 14, 2019, 01:36:13 AM
Aren't we talking about examinations conducted way before 1997?

Yes we are.  SWGDOC was formed to address the lack of a universal standard. That's not saying that there were no standards prior to 1997.
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 14, 2019, 10:52:59 PM
Iacoletti thinks that back in 1964 any high school graduate could have called himself a handwriting analyst and testified as an expert witness in a legal proceeding.
You had to be a high school graduate? (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/popcorn_eating.gif)
 
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 15, 2019, 09:30:08 PM
Tim,

Iacoletti thinks that back in 1964 any high school graduate could have called himself a handwriting analyst and testified as an expert witness in a legal proceeding.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)


Handwriting analysis is more of an art than a science....    It may be very difficult to detect a forged signature because a forger can concentrate on just the signature but not many forgers can write a message and fool someone  into accepting that the note as genuine.....as written by the person who signed that note.

In the case of the "Dear Mr Hunt" note.... There's no doubt in my mind that Lee Oswald wrote the note.....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 15, 2019, 10:24:51 PM
If you have, was it full-sized and sufficiently well-reproduced so that one can see in it the details McNally testified about and wrote about?
I've never seen a full size well reproduced copy of the note..... 
 
(http://www.jfklancer.com/LNE/docs/hunt_letter1.jpg)
 There is really not all that much to it. Where did the [really scribbled] note come from again?

 
 
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 15, 2019, 10:38:57 PM
(http://www.jfklancer.com/LNE/docs/hunt_letter1.jpg)
 There is really not all that much to it. Where did the [really scribbled] note come from again?

HL Hunt's right hand man John  Curington, said that HL Hunt received the "Dear Mr Hunt"  note through the interoffice mail at Hunt Oil Company headquarters in Dallas shortly after the assassination .   I believe that the note was in an envelope addresses to HL Hunt and it had no postage stamp or postmark on it....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 16, 2019, 04:04:27 AM
He was in a very ebullient and in happy mood at the House of Paine that weekend ....WHY??  Could it be that HL Hunt had offered him a position at Hunt Oil....  Was the reason for the note simply a request for a little more information about that position? Perhaps many of you will recall that Fidel Castro grabbed many American owned businesses when he took over in Cuba....  H.L. hunt owned some of those manufacturing and refineries. Hunt Knew that Fidel Castro was dealing with the Russians, ( trading cheap Russian oil for Cuban sugar. )   Since Lee was fluent in Russian and was married to a Russian woman He would have been valuable to H.L Hunt as an interpreter for conversations between Cuba and Russia......  Is it possible that this is the position that Hunt had offered Lee Oswald?  HL Hunt must have been furious to know that Castro was using his refineries to profit ....in competition with his western enterprises.....
Frequently, serious minded entrepreneurs could consult with HL [who was filthy rich even without Cuba]
Anyway, if they could convince Hunt that the enterprise they had in mind was promising..Mr Hunt would finance them full throttle with projected success. There would be a contract and for the first year or so he would reap a large share of the profits and beyond at least until he recovered his investment and a good deal of interest. One such venture was his own son..Lamar who created a professional football team - the Dallas Texans [later to become the Kansas City Chiefs] As wealthy as H L Hunt was......he drove an old '50s Chevy 5 window pickup to work and packed his own sack lunch.
 
   
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 16, 2019, 04:27:04 AM
  I believe that the note was in an envelope addresses to HL Hunt and it had no postage stamp or postmark on it....
Well I guess I was really wondering is ..what happened to the original [as the FBI couldn't 'determine' anything without it?]--
https://archive.org/stream/nsia-HuntMrLetterSupposedlySentbyOswald/nsia-HuntMrLetterSupposedlySentbyOswald/Hunt%20Mr%20Letter%2007_djvu.txt
Another review of that book...
https://capa-us.org/h-l-hunt-motive-opportunity-book-review/
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 16, 2019, 03:21:29 PM
Frequently, serious minded entrepreneurs could consult with HL [who was filthy rich even without Cuba]
Anyway, if they could convince Hunt that the enterprise they had in mind was promising..Mr Hunt would finance them full throttle with projected success. There would be a contract and for the first year or so he would reap a large share of the profits and beyond at least until he recovered his investment and a good deal of interest. One such venture was his own son..Lamar who created a professional football team - the Dallas Texans [later to become the Kansas City Chiefs] As wealthy as H L Hunt was......he drove an old '50s Chevy 5 window pickup to work and packed his own sack lunch.
 
   

 As wealthy as H L Hunt was......he drove an old '50s Chevy 5 window pickup to work and packed his own sack lunch.

John Curington confirms this ......But Curington said that Hunt drove a car....not a pickup....   I'd like to know EXACTLY what kind of vehicle Hunt drove?   Many years ago I remember reading that he drove a ten year old Oldsmobile.....  Perhaps someone near Dallas could call John Curington and ask him?
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 16, 2019, 10:20:18 PM
Well I guess I was really wondering is ..what happened to the original [as the FBI couldn't 'determine' anything without it?]--
https://archive.org/stream/nsia-HuntMrLetterSupposedlySentbyOswald/nsia-HuntMrLetterSupposedlySentbyOswald/Hunt%20Mr%20Letter%2007_djvu.txt
Another review of that book...
https://capa-us.org/h-l-hunt-motive-opportunity-book-review/

Jerry , Thank you very much fot posting the links....I hope everybody reads the articles....There is so much to discussed in them....

From the article...."Curington says that Hunt furnished Walker with background for his speeches, and he sometimes accompanied Hunt to Walker’s home, where someone took a shot at Walker on April 10, 1963. According to Curington, Walker told him and Hunt that Oswald was a suspect in the shooting BEFORE the assassination. “Clearly, the police and possibly even the FBI had Oswald on the radar, at least for that shooting,” says Curington. And if that’s true, it radically alters the official version of events."

Clearly, the police and possibly even the FBI had Oswald on the radar, at least for that shooting,”

The FBI ( Read that as J.Edgar Hoover and his private hit squad) were working with Walker and they knew of the HOAX that Walker and De Morhenschildt had cooked up which was created to make Lee appear to be a communist revolutionary in sympathy With Fidel Castro.....

So Yes...Walker DID know that Lee Oswald was a simple, naive, patriotic sucker who could be set up to be blamed for the murder of JFK when the time was ripe....
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 16, 2019, 10:23:10 PM
   Curington said that Hunt drove a car....not a pickup....   
I was just going by what another Hunt employee told me. 
Well I guess I was really wondering is ..what happened to the original [as the FBI couldn't 'determine' anything without it?]--
 Another review of that book...
https://capa-us.org/h-l-hunt-motive-opportunity-book-review/
After re-reading that review..according to Curington...the original was turned over to the FBI and that he never saw it again..no surprise there.
       
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 16, 2019, 10:34:11 PM
I was just going by what another Hunt employee told me.   After re-reading that review..according to Curington...the original was turned over to the FBI and that he never saw it again..no surprise there.
       

according to Curington...the original was turned over to the FBI and that he never saw it again..no surprise there.

This doesn't make good rational sense......  IF Hunt received the note AFTER the assassination ....would he have called his buddy J.Edgar Hoover ( he and Hoover did talk frequently) and reported the note that implicated him as being involved with the accused killer Oswald?    I think not.... Hunt would have burned that note if he received it AFTER the coup d e'tat...AND IF hunt turned the note over to the FBI how did Curington get it back so he could show it to Whitington?

I'm convinced that the note was delivered BEFORE the coup d e'tat ....... And Curington had a copy of it before the note was handed over to the FBI.
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 16, 2019, 11:34:50 PM
Dear Walter,

Gosh, I never knew you were a handwriting expert!

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

I was totally unaware that there are several recognized authorities who report exactly what I see in the "Dear Mr Hunt " note....ie;...  Lee Oswald was the person who wrote that note....

"If they (FBI) know anything at all about handwriting, they can tell that the same party wrote that letter,” Mrs.
Harrison said. “There is just no doubt in my mind. And 1 can prove it by breaking it down stroke by stroke."
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Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 17, 2019, 05:22:24 PM
Well I guess I was really wondering is ..what happened to the original [as the FBI couldn't 'determine' anything without it?]--
https://archive.org/stream/nsia-HuntMrLetterSupposedlySentbyOswald/nsia-HuntMrLetterSupposedlySentbyOswald/Hunt%20Mr%20Letter%2007_djvu.txt
Another review of that book...
https://capa-us.org/h-l-hunt-motive-opportunity-book-review/

The terse note, dated Nov. 8, 1963, was addressed to "Dear Mr. Hunt" and signed by "Lee Harvey Oswald." It asked for "information concerning my
position ..." I am suggesting that we discuss the matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else."
Oswald's wife testified before the Warren Commission, which apparently didn’t know of the existence of the letter, that Oswald on Nov. 8, 1963, failed to pay a visit to her, as scheduled, at the Irving home where she was then living. ( Lee DID go to the House of Paine on Nov 9 ....He wrote the Russian Embassy letter on Nov 9)

Oswald told his wife he failed to show up because "there was another job open, more interesting work . . . related to photography," according to Mrs. Marina Oswald’s testimony before the Warren Commission in 1964. At the time he was working at the Texas State Book Depository Building,

WHOA!!...wait jest a doggone  a minute....  According to the above ..Marina knew about Mr Hunt's offer of a "position"for Lee but he  "failed to show up " for some other menial job, ( baggage handler at Love field??) because "there was another job open, more interesting work . . . related to photography," and he was working at the TSBD at the time....

So the question is:...  Did Marina know that Lee had been contacted by Mr Hunt who had suggested he might have a position available that required a photographer?

Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 18, 2019, 06:00:53 PM
Well I guess I was really wondering is ..what happened to the original [as the FBI couldn't 'determine' anything without it?]--
https://archive.org/stream/nsia-HuntMrLetterSupposedlySentbyOswald/nsia-HuntMrLetterSupposedlySentbyOswald/Hunt%20Mr%20Letter%2007_djvu.txt
Another review of that book...
https://capa-us.org/h-l-hunt-motive-opportunity-book-review/

 I guess I was really wondering is ..what happened to the original [as the FBI couldn't 'determine' anything without it?]

According to John Curington, The original note was turned over to the FBI.......
Title: Re: Dear Mr Hunt...
Post by: John Iacoletti on February 19, 2019, 09:55:49 PM
Yes we are.  SWGDOC was formed to address the lack of a universal standard. That's not saying that there were no standards prior to 1997.

Feel free to specify what those standards were.