Hi folks, I've just finished reading Matthew Smith's The Second Plot. For me it did a great job of tying up the evidence into a coherent picture, and especially some of the detail around Lee's movements on the 22nd November and how he was completely played.Suppressed shots and multiple Oswalds will tie up all the loose ends. You don't need no stinkin kook book.
Does anyone else have views good or bad on this book?
Hi folks, I've just finished reading Matthew Smith's The Second Plot. For me it did a great job of tying up the evidence into a coherent picture, and especially some of the detail around Lee's movements on the 22nd November and how he was completely played.
Does anyone else have views good or bad on this book?
I-Team has discovered not just one, but two plots to cut down JFK in Chicago in early November, 1963, and an intriguing backstory of bungling by the government agencies protecting him. President John F. Kennedy was never supposed to make it to Texas, never supposed to take this ride, and never supposed to die in Dallas. According to this Chicagoan and former JFK bodyguard-- and from these FBI and Secret Service reports obtained by the I-Team-- it is clear there were two plans by different groups intent on killing the president in Chicago weeks before Dallas.https://abc7chicago.com/archive/9315215/
Gerry Patrick Hemming: The Miami Plot----Researcher Greg Burnham--- Gerry Patrick Hemming discusses the details of the Military Intelligence briefing he attended with his team on November 17th in preparation for the President?s visit to Miami the next day. They were asked to provide additional Executive Protection as a supplement to the Secret Service. Hemming was wary because many of the normal routine procedures were not followed, including, the absence of Secret Service lapel pins (boutonnieres) for his team. More important still was the presence of known CIA operatives in this briefing. These operatives were neither there to conduct the briefing nor were they there to receive instructions from it. Hemming remained very angry by their presence as evidenced in this conversation, which took place in 1998, 35 years after the fact.http://assassinationofjfk.net/gerry-patrick-hemming-on-the-miami-plot/
...I was unaware...I've noticed that you really have no flair for awareness anyway ;)
I've noticed that you really have no flair for awareness anyway ;)
https://abc7chicago.com/archive/9315215/ http://assassinationofjfk.net/gerry-patrick-hemming-on-the-miami-plot/
Hmmmm...I've noticed that same unawareness in drunks, druggies, and people with cranialrectalitis... I wonder where Chappie fits in....
I've noticed that you really have no flair for awareness anyway ;)
I'm aware that no one has yet to name a shooter to supplant the current prime suspect Additionally, perhaps you can help me arrive at a state of complete and everlasting awareness by providing the names of those who knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day....perhaps you can help me arrive at a state of complete and everlasting awareness...
...perhaps you can help me arrive at a state of complete and everlasting awareness...
"Complete and everlasting"? I really don't think that's possible. I'll leave that to a higher authority. I predict that perhaps someday..you might fall for an even bigger lie.
In the meantime, I await confirmation that anyone other than the shooter knew an attempt was going to be made on Kennedy that day.I still don't see any conformation that Oswald the sole assassin. El Chappo is a lost cause so this is for those with collective wits..........
Russo says that at least once in all the series in the various "Oswald" rifle tests, at least one rifleman was able to score two hits (p. 477). This is incorrect. In the CBS rifle test, not one of the eleven expert shooters scored two hits on the first attempt, and seven of them failed to do so on any attempt. This is especially revealing because the CBS test was the most realistic to date. The test used a moving target sled and a 60-foot tower. The test fairly closely simulated the conditions under which Oswald would have had to fire. And, as mentioned, not one of the expert riflemen in the test scored two hits on his first attempt, and seven of them failed to do so on any attempt, even though, unlike Oswald, the CBS shooters fired nine practice rounds prior to the test and were not required to fire through a half-open window in a cramped area.Full report here..... http://www.miketgriffith.com/files/russo.htm
Russo says the marksmen in the Warren Commission's (WC) rifle tests "came close" to duplicating the WC's version of Oswald's feat, i.e., two hits out of three shots in 5.6 seconds (p. 476). One wonders how Russo is defining "close" here. The three Master-rated riflemen who took part in the tests missed the head and neck area of the target boards 20 out of 21 times! And this, even though the target boards were stationary, even though the riflemen were firing from only a 30-foot elevation, and even though two of the riflemen took longer than 6 seconds to fire. None of the WC's rifle tests involved moving targets or firing from the same elevation from which Oswald supposedly fired.
Russo says "the most impressive" Oswald rifle simulation was the one performed in 1994 by Todd Wayne Vaughan (p. 476). But Vaughan didn't use a moving target and not once did he get off three shots in less than 6 seconds. Furthermore, on the day of the test, Vaughan fired fourteen shots prior to starting the test, a luxury Oswald would not have had. Nor did Vaughan fire from an elevation, as Oswald would have had to do.
BlahblahblahOk, now you think LHO used a Smith and Wesson? What is wrong with you?
In the meantime, I await confirmation that anyone other than the shooter knew an attempt was going to be made on Kennedy that day.
Until then, you lot are just screwin' the pooch.Dirty Harvey: Smith, Wesson... and Lee. ;) Dirty Harvey: Smith, Wesson... and Lee. ;) Dirty Harvey: Smith, Wesson... and Lee. ;) Dirty Harvey: Smith, Wesson... and Lee. ;) Dirty Harvey: Smith, Wesson... and Lee. ;)
Inspiration: Dirty Harry
Ok, now you think LHO used a Smith and Wesson? What is wrong with you?
Poor dumb cop..
I'm aware that no one has yet to name a shooter to supplant the current prime suspect
Additionally, perhaps you can help me arrive at a state of complete and everlasting awareness by providing the names of those who knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day.
Poor dumb cop..Billy, try to say something intelligent instead of trying to become the world record holder of changing the subject
Ok, now you think LHO used a Smith and Wesson? What is wrong with you?
" Lee Harvey Oswald was carrying a re-chambered Victory Model when he was apprehended on November 22, 1963"I start from the beginning of the case and move forward as far as evidence will allow, there is not any evidence that shows anything more than LHO went to work on that Friday. Everything else is nonsense
"Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested as a suspect in the Tippit shooting shortly before 2 p.m., (16) November 22. Apprehended after a scuffle in the Texas theater, he was carrying a Smith and Wesson revolver modified to fire .38 special caliber ammunition."
"The snub-nosed Smith & Wesson "Victory" Model .38 Special revolver, serial number V510210, that Oswald had in his hand when he was arrested in a movie theater eighty minutes after the assassination"
Billy, try to say something intelligent .....Not likely.
I start from the beginning of the case and move forward as far as evidence will allow, there is not any evidence that shows anything more than LHO went to work on that Friday. Everything else is nonsense
It's post's like the above that really emphasise how low the debating quality on this forum has become. It's a crying shame to see such a formerly great forum sink like this. No reply required.First things first, not last things first. It is that simple. You can't even explain the rifle, why in the hell would you expect someone to listen
"The snub-nosed Smith & Wesson "Victory" Model .38 Special revolver, serial number V510210, that Oswald had in his hand when he was arrested in a movie theater eighty minutes after the assassination"So the police say. I posted this in another related topic...
according to the story...A guy who was supposed to have the jump on Tippit..firing devil may care into a cop's belly just gives the next cop who came along a As I was walking a' alane, I heard twa corbies makin' a mane. The tane untae the tither did say, Whaur sail we gang and dine the day, O. Whaur sail we gang and dine the day? It's in ahint yon auld fail dyke I wot there lies a new slain knight; And naebody kens that he lies there But his hawk and his hound, and his lady fair, O. But his hawk and his hound, and his lady fair. His hound is to the hunting gane His hawk to fetch the wild-fowl hame, His lady ta'en anither mate, So we may mak' our dinner swate, O. So we may mak' our dinner swate. Ye'll sit on his white hause-bane, And I'll pike oot his bonny blue e'en Wi' ae lock o' his gowden hair We'll theek oor nest when it grows bare, O. We'll theek oor nest when it grows bare. There's mony a ane for him maks mane But nane sail ken whaur he is gane O'er his white banes when they are bare The wind sail blaw for evermair, O. The wind sail blaw for evermair.' slap [and] then the cop slaps [him] back.Doesn't the report say-- Oswald supposedly pulled the trigger and the pistol misfired? Ostensibly, the firing pin went coincidentally out of whack. Does all this make any sense?
I still don't see any conformation that Oswald the sole assassin. El Chappo is a lost cause so this is for those with collective wits..........
From ERRORS AND OMISSIONS IN GUS RUSSO'S BOOK LIVE BY THE SWORD Michael T. Griffith
Full report here..... http://www.miketgriffith.com/files/russo.htm
If people stop their ears and shut their eyes..then no-- they won't discover the rumors of any plot.
So the police say. I posted this in another related topic... Doesn't the report say-- Oswald supposedly pulled the trigger and the pistol misfired? Ostensibly, the firing pin went coincidentally out of whack. Does all this make any sense?
Avowedly there have been all these committees and inquiries and commissions and they have just passed the buck to the next investigation. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am just a skeptic of the official story which is nothing short of a far fetched theory.
The hammer hit the web of skin on MacDonald's hand between hisSo he said. Let's get that out of the way. McDonald first told the Dallas papers that the revolver 'misfired'..no mention of his thumb..... McDonald lied. 'Oh really?' Yeah.
thumb and forefinger.
Mr. HAWKINS. I had my Service .38 revolver.
Mr. BALL. Did you have it out or was it in your holster?
Mr. HAWKINS. I believe I had it out.
Mr. BALL. What did you do with it?
Mr. HAWKINS. At that time, after he pointed out the person, Officer McDonald had started up the left aisle and he stopped and talked to two boys who were sitting about three rows in front of where Oswald was sitting. I continued up the north aisle or the left aisle as you would walk toward the screen, and then Officer McDonald had walked on back to this person who was seated back there.
Mr. BALL. He was--he walked over to the right aisle, did he?
Mr. HAWKINS. He walked from the right aisle and came in from the person's right. I was about three rows from--still in the same aisle, on the left aisle and about three rows from McDonald and Oswald when I heard him say, "I've got him," or "This is it," or some words to that effect.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear Oswald say anything?
Mr. HAWKINS. Not at that time; no, sir; I did not.
Show me where I asked for rumours. I clearly asked for proof that anyone besides the shooter knew that an attempt was going to made on Kennedy that day. Well?'Well' is a deep subject for such a shallow mind as yours.
So he said. Let's get that out of the way. McDonald first told the Dallas papers that the revolver 'misfired'..no mention of his thumb..... McDonald lied. 'Oh really?' Yeah.
Yeah he did. One example- McDonald claimed that Oswald stood up and said ''This is it". However in testimony his own police buddy reported that it was in fact McDonald who said it......
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There were other McDonald 'irregularities'. 'Well' is a deep subject for such a shallow mind as yours.
Rumor...."a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth."
I wonder why you would really care anyway. JFK was not your president. I do not know who the shooters were, but feel some day it will be revealed.
It's post's like the above that really emphasise how low the debating quality on this forum has become. It's a crying shame to see such a formerly great forum sink like this. No reply required.
"they won't discover the rumors of any plot"Another shooter would know
Show me where I asked for rumours. I clearly asked for proof that anyone besides the shooter knew that an attempt was going to made on Kennedy that day.
Well?
Another shooter would know
The hammer hit the web of skin on MacDonald's hand between his
thumb and forefinger.
Maybe Oswald said this is it
Seems Dawkins heard both
Mr. BALL. Did you hear Oswald say anything?You might go learn how to read.
Mr. HAWKINS. Not at that time; no, sir; I did not.
You're rather dim, aren't you...Says one with a subdued mind of it's own. Pay no attention to Silly Willy.
You missed the part where I said prove someone other than the shooter knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day.Oops! I forgot something.
You're rather dim, aren't you...
And amazingly it also hit Paul Bentley's hand at the same time. Were McDonald and Bentley holding hands?
Oops! I forgot something.
You said "someone other than the shooter" Where do you believe "the shooter" was positioned?
Nah, grabbing for the gun.
That has nothing to do with my ask. Until you lot can confirm that the shooter had help, you are all up the creek with no method of locomotion.
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You should know the answer. you already proved there was someone else. Because your own version of "the shooter" did not shoot Kennedy and could not have even if so desired. So someone else did. Stupid question and an easy answer
And amazingly it also hit Paul Bentley's hand at the same time. Were McDonald and Bentley holding hands?
That has nothing to do with my ask. Until you lot can confirm that the shooter had help, you are all up the creek with no method of locomotion.
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You should know the answer. you already proved there was someone else. Because your own version of "the shooter" did not shoot Kennedy and could not have even if so desired. So someone else did. Stupid question and an easy answer
Your reading comprehension is muddled. You appear to misunderstand my ask. You seem to want to argue about who the shooter was but all I'm asking for is proof that someone else other than the killer knew there was going to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day.
If you have testimony that shows Bentley claiming that it was the webbing of his hand that stopped the hammer, let's see it
"You say you put your thumb or your finger in?"
"I don't know, it was in the scuffle there. We don't know whether thumb, finger, or hand. I got a bruised hand from it"
Your reading comprehension is muddled. You appear to misunderstand my ask. You seem to want to argue about who the shooter was but all I'm asking for is proof that someone else other than the killer knew there was going to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day.Have you been smoking the wacky tobacky? You are the one who brought up "the shooter", what shooter? There was a shooter? Like a "pool shooter"? First, you need to explain what you mean by "the shooter"? Guess what? There are different stories here, and yours is just one of them imagine that!
Well they knew later, didn't they. Did Bentley claim it was the webbing of his hand at any point? He had a golden opportunity to demonstrate that in the interview.
Have you been smoking the wacky tobacky? You are the one who brought up "the shooter", what shooter? There was a shooter? Like a "pool shooter"? First, you need to explain what you mean by "the shooter"? Guess what? There are different stories here, and yours is just one of them imagine that!
They knew what later?
He also had a golden opportunity to mention McDonald's name even once with regard to this thumb, finger, hand story.
They knew what later?
That the hammer hit the webbing of McDonald's hand
Who's "they", and how did they know that?
Either Bentley felt it hit his hand or he did not.
Fck you're stupidIt's the original question, stupid, you should know the answer is yes but based on what you believe, you're just wrong again. No big deal Einstein, you're used to it. Yes indeed there is someone else
McDonald knew
The gun knocked Bentley's hand in the scuffle. Show us where he identified the exact part of his hand that the gun hit.