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Were there holes in the Stemmons Freeway Sign ? Jim Marrs says that the Freeway sign was taken
down because of the bullet holes in the sign . I had asked the 6th floor curator Gary Mack about the sign several years ago, if he had knowledge of the sign being taken down due to bullet holes . His e-mail reply was that he knew of no holes in the sign. Anyone have any knowledge of bullet holes in the sign on 11-22-63 .
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Were there holes in the Stemmons Freeway Sign ? Jim Marrs says that the Freeway sign was taken
down because of the bullet holes in the sign . I had asked the 6th floor curator Gary Mack about the sign several years ago, if he had knowledge of the sign being taken down due to bullet holes . His e-mail reply was that he knew of no holes in the sign. Anyone have any knowledge of bullet holes in the sign on 11-22-63 .
I think I read somewhere that the Stemmons sign was taken down to avoid having it stolen as a souvenir
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Very good informative website/PDF link about the Stemmons Freeway, has a section about the sign itself, too, below
http://dallasfreeways.com/dfwfreeways/pdf/Dallas-Fort-Worth-Freeways-book-05-20140803.pdf (http://dallasfreeways.com/dfwfreeways/pdf/Dallas-Fort-Worth-Freeways-book-05-20140803.pdf)
By Oscar Slotboom, not an assassination researcher site, seems like it's unbiased research for a book about the Dallas freeway. The rest of the website http://www.dfwfreeways.com/
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Were there holes in the Stemmons Freeway Sign ? Jim Marrs says that the Freeway sign was taken
down because of the bullet holes in the sign . I had asked the 6th floor curator Gary Mack about the sign several years ago, if he had knowledge of the sign being taken down due to bullet holes . His e-mail reply was that he knew of no holes in the sign. Anyone have any knowledge of bullet holes in the sign on 11-22-63 .
I don't think it is a question of bullet holes it is a question of umbrella man. If you look at Jerry Organ's lightbox frames or Costella's frames (both from the Zapruder Film), you will see an obvious discrepancy in the placement of the "umbrella man' with regards to his placement on these picture/frames compared to the NY Times rendition. Their frames (Lightbox & Costella) at Z220-Z224 show in the Zapruder film the placement of the umbrella man "in FRONT of the sign". THIS is clearly visible showing the umbrella man with a a partially hidden umbrella at the front of this sign - 1/2 alongside and 1/2 hidden at the front! How would this video capture compare to their made up rendition from the other side of the road where they show an elevated sign and an umbrella man well behind the post? Look at
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Their rendition shows an elevated street sign, the umbrella man well below and behind the sign. It is far below the Zapruder film!! Obviously, this discrepancy needs to be rectified by sign removal! In that way you can't prove the umbrella man was in "FRONT" of the sign as the Zapruder film shows! That would have meant the umbrella man was within 10 ft of the President! Their renditon shows an umbrella man way in the distance!! NY TIMES would like you to believe that he was an insignificant bystander trying to wave his umbrella to make a point. I might add that the umbrella is motionless and in front of sign in a strong wind scenario as compared to other across the street so called videos!! The "Cuban" beside is busy waving his arms - begging for attention at the time of neck shot! MUST get rid of that sign as it adds to contradiction in the storyline! They don't even show the Cuban alongside on their storyline!!!!!! The scene they "draw" does not match the Zapruder film and is FICTIONAL!
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Were there holes in the Stemmons Freeway Sign ? Jim Marrs says that the Freeway sign was taken
down because of the bullet holes in the sign . I had asked the 6th floor curator Gary Mack about the sign several years ago, if he had knowledge of the sign being taken down due to bullet holes . His e-mail reply was that he knew of no holes in the sign. Anyone have any knowledge of bullet holes in the sign on 11-22-63 .
The Stemmons Freeway sign is still present days later, as seen in photos taken in the days following the assassination. If the sign was removed to hide the bullet holes, strange that "they" would wait until the entire world saw it first before taking it down.
I believe this photo was taken five days later, sign still present...
(https://i.imgur.com/bwWBgD3.jpg)
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From the link I posted. http://dallasfreeways.com/dfwfreeways/pdf/Dallas-Fort-Worth-Freeways-book-05-20140803.pdf
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This established a reasonable confidence that the Stemmons
sign was removed between May 24 and June 24,
1964. There was the possibility that press reports or police
reports could identify an event which could be associated
with the sign removal. A review of both the Dallas Morning
News and the Dallas Times Herald for all dates between
May 24 and October 3, 1964, did not uncover any reports
of events at Dealey Plaza which could be associated with
the sign removal. A search of police records for this period
also turned up nothing. The Stemmons sign had vanished
without a trace in any historical record, and the only evidence
consisted of photographs which relied on analysis
for dating.
The first anniversary photos and news film provide a definitive
and conclusive date for the removal of the Stemmons
Freeway sign if there are any doubts about the evidence
for removal by June 24, 1964. The first anniversary photos
also deepened the mystery for the Thornton sign. Photos
show the Thornton sign was modified with the addition of
a new section of sign above the original sign. The available
photos on the anniversary date show only the backside of
the sign and the color of the backside is very light, close to
white. In photos from the period immediately after the assassination,
the backside is much darker. The color change
strongly indicates that the original sign was entirely replaced.
A high-resolution scan of negative #1 appears to show the
newly added section of sign, indicating that the Thornton
sign was modified on or around the same time as the Stemmons
sign removal.
So this presented new questions: What was added to
the top of the Thornton Freeway sign? If the entire sign was
replaced, what did it say? Without photographic evidence of
the front of the Thornton sign, it is impossible to make any
definitive statements. But it seems likely that the modification
of the Thornton sign allowed it to perform the role of
the removed Stemmons Freeway sign, perhaps with the text
?Stemmons Freeway? on the newly added section.
The next questions remaining to be answered are the removal
date of the Thornton Freeway sign and the installation
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The Mystery Deepens
The first anniversary photos and news film provide a definitive
and conclusive date for the removal of the Stemmons
Freeway sign if there are any doubts about the evidence
for removal by June 24, 1964. The first anniversary photos
also deepened the mystery for the Thornton sign. Photos
show the Thornton sign was modified with the addition of
a new section of sign above the original sign. The available
photos on the anniversary date show only the backside of
the sign and the color of the backside is very light, close to
white. In photos from the period immediately after the assassination,
the backside is much darker. The color change
strongly indicates that the original sign was entirely replaced.
A high-resolution scan of negative #1 appears to show the
newly added section of sign, indicating that the Thornton
sign was modified on or around the same time as the Stemmons
sign removal.
So this presented new questions: What was added to
the top of the Thornton Freeway sign? If the entire sign was
replaced, what did it say? Without photographic evidence of
the front of the Thornton sign, it is impossible to make any
definitive statements. But it seems likely that the modification
of the Thornton sign allowed it to perform the role of
the removed Stemmons Freeway sign, perhaps with the text
?Stemmons Freeway? on the newly added section.
The next questions remaining to be answered are the removal
date of the Thornton Freeway sign and the installation
date of the replacement overhead sign near Houston Street
(see photos pages 164 and 176). Photographic evidence
became even more scarce after the first anniversary. A Squire
Haskins photo with a very distant aerial view of Dealey
Plaza in an envelope labeled A7350 dated April 27, 1965,
shows the Thornton sign in position and the overhead sign
not yet installed. There are no suitable shadows to allow
sun angle analysis.
Negative A7578, taken on November 23, 1965, and
inscribed with its number, clearly shows the overhead sign
in position. In addition, the angles of shadows in the photo
compute to within a few days of November 23. With this
evidence, it can be stated with reasonable confidence that
the Thornton sign was removed and the overhead sign was
installed in the period between April 27 and November
23, 1965
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(https://s10.postimg.org/ykwnxvayx/stemmons_4.png)
The guy who made that site goes into much deeper details.
http://dallasfreeways.com/dfwfreeways/pdf/Dallas-Fort-Worth-Freeways-book-05-20140803.pdf
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Bullet holes in the Stemmons Freeway sign?
Who were they shooting at? The Umbrella man?
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Zapruder film shows back of sign lighter due to sun glare reflection. No such reflection on overcast day.
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Rickerby and Grant photos, from a different angle than Zapruder and taken within minutes of the Z-film, show back of sign dark. This is because their camera angle didn't show the sun glare reflection.
Article about the sign as it appears in the Pete Barnes pedestal photo:
The Stemmons Freeway Sign and the Lamppost (http://home.earthlink.net/~joejd/jfk/zaphoax/costella.html)
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Umbrella man's weapon jammed and when he was pumping it up and down trying to clear it he inadvertently fired a poison dart through the sign. From that moment on Oswald was the logical choice as a patsy.
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Umbrella man's weapon jammed and when he was pumping it up and down trying to clear it he inadvertently fired a poison dart through the sign. From that moment on Oswald was the logical choice as a patsy.
Makes sense.
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Umbrella man's weapon jammed and when he was pumping it up and down trying to clear it he inadvertently fired a poison dart through the sign. From that moment on Oswald was the logical choice as a patsy.
Bill Brown
Makes sense
Seems Laurel and Hardy are still with us.
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Bill Brown
Seems Laurel and Hardy are still with us.
Have you figured out why the Secret Service agents at Parkland would use the Presidential flag to wipe blood and gore from the limo's exterior, yet?
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Have you figured out why the Secret Service agents at Parkland would use the Presidential flag to wipe blood and gore from the limo's exterior, yet?
No, but I worked out that Hosty wasn't mistakenly using a inverted caret in his report, Stanley.
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No, but I worked out that Hosty wasn't mistakenly using a inverted caret in his report, Stanley.
I knew that was coming.
Do you mean once you were finally looking at Hosty's notes and not Fritz' notes?
I admitted that what I believed to be a caret definitely looks like an ampersand. Have you acknowledged that you mistakenly called the Presidential flag a rag?
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I knew that was coming.
I admitted that what I believed to be a caret definitely looks like an ampersand. Have you acknowledged that you mistakenly called the Presidential flag a rag?
No. I didn't try to ague myself out of it, when I realised it wasn't a rag, unlike yourself.
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I don't think it was beyond belief that since a bullet went through the JFK limo windshield , then there was a chance that a bullet hole could be in the Stemmons Freeway sign . There was a very good chance that more than 3 shots were fired in Dealey Plaza that day.
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That sign stood in place for 10 months after the assassination and nobody noticed a bullet hole? Laughable. Also, a bullet piercing a metal sign would have made a hell of a lot of noise .. which nobody remembered happening.
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Umbrella man's weapon jammed and when he was pumping it up and down trying to clear it he inadvertently fired a poison dart through the sign. From that moment on Oswald was the logical choice as a patsy.
I'm a CT and that was pretty funny. {Tips hat}
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No. I didn't try to ague myself out of it, when I realised it wasn't a rag, unlike yourself.
Now you're just making things up.
Once better copies of the Hosty note were posted, there was no point when I "tried to argue myself out of it". Why would you lie about this?
But, you did prove my point. You thought the Presidential flag was a rag used, with the bucket, to clean up blood and gore. It was pure silliness which you've yet to acknowledge you were wrong about, unless you've just done that. Did you?
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Have you figured out why there were SS agents in DP and at the Jefferson Branch Library when none were assigned there? I am still waiting.
There weren't Secret Service agents left behind in Dealey Plaza and there weren't Secret Service agents at the library or anywhere else in Oak Cliff.
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Now you're just making things up.
Once better copies of the Hosty note were posted, there was no point when I "tried to argue myself out of it". Why would you lie about this?
You even said that Hosty had "mistakenly" used the caret.
But, you did prove my point. You thought the Presidential flag was a rag used, with the bucket, to clean up blood and gore. It was pure silliness which you've yet to acknowledge you were wrong about, unless you've just done that. Did you?
If it pleases you, I admit I was wrong mistaking the limo flag for a rag, Happy now. Bill?
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You even said that Hosty had "mistakenly" used the caret.
If it pleases you, I admit I was wrong mistaking the limo flag for a rag, Happy now. Bill?
There now. Was that so difficult?
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There now. Was that so difficult?
Not all, Stanley.
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FACT CHECK
SA Lem Johns was "left behind in Dealey Plaza".
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The sign was on a busy city road and with the increased attention of the assassination was probably busier than usual but you reckon someone came along and swapped the signs, hilarious!hnM
EMMET J. HUDSON - WC TESTIMONY (7/22/63)
ATTORNEY LIEBELER - "Were you the groundskeeper of Dealey Plaza on or about 11/22/63?"
EMMIT J. HUDSON - "Yes, I have been there about 6 years."
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LIEBELER - " There are 2 signs in Picture No. 18, one says "R.L. Thornton Freeway, keep right", and the other one says, "Fort Worth turnpike, keep right."
HUDSON - "There WERE 2 of them that wasn't too far apart right through here - them signs WAS right along in here, and the other one was either further up I guess. It's not in that picture - I don't believe now. THEY HAVE MOVED SOME OF THE SIGNS. THEY HAVE MOVED THE R.L. THORNTON SIGN AND PUT UP A STEMMONS SIGN.
LIEBELER - "They have?" "They have moved it?"
HUDSON - "Yes, sir"
LIEBELER - "That might explain it because this picture here, No. 18 was taken AFTER the assassination, and this one was taken AT THE TIME - No. 1.
Nobody would be more aware of the Absence/Shifting Position of Signage sitting on The Knoll, than the individual that had been paid to landscape that area for 6 years.
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FACT CHECK
SA Lem Johns was "left behind in Dealey Plaza".
Johns caught a ride to Parkland with another vehicle that was in the motorcade and therefore, was not left behind in Dealey Plaza.
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Johns caught a ride to Parkland with another vehicle that was in the motorcade and therefore, was not left behind in Dealey Plaza.
BILL
You well know SA Lem Johns was Initially seated inside the LBJ SS Follow-Up Car. You also Know that he jumped out of the LBJ SS Follow-Up Car and then that car sped away. This left SA Lem Johns "behind in Dealey Plaza". We frequently have Newbes coming to this Forum for Information regarding the JFK Assassination. Please do Not mislead them in your attempt to avoid admitting you made a mistake.
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BILL
You well know SA Lem Johns was Initially seated inside the LBJ SS Follow-Up Car. You also Know that he jumped out of the LBJ SS Follow-Up Car and then that car sped away. This left SA Lem Johns "behind in Dealey Plaza". We frequently have Newbes coming to this Forum for Information regarding the JFK Assassination. Please do Not mislead them in your attempt to avoid admitting you made a mistake.
I didn't make a mistake here. Johns caught a ride with one of the camera cars in the moving motorcade and therefore, was not left behind in Dealey Plaza.
Perhaps your definition of "left behind" is different than mine, but that does not mean that I am wrong.
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The Stemmons sign was made of wood !
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The Great Zapruder Film Hoax by Jim Fetzer Of all the presenters who traveled to Duluth for the Symposium , the one who traveled farthest was Dr. John Costella, a theoretical physicist from Australia. Dr. Costella is something of a newcomer to the area of JFK research but he has made astounding contributions already. One of the more fascinating discoveries Costella has made involves the Stemmons Freeway sign in Dealey Plaza. As it turns out , the lens system on Zapruder's camera was patented by Bell & Howell; its characteristics are well documented. As many are aware , Zapruder's Bell & Howell Director's Series 414PD camera was set on telephoto while he filmed the presidential motorcade. This lens has a characteristic "pincushioning" effect which tends to pull the image frames outward . This pincushioning effect is clearly present in the extant Zapruder film , as it should be . Except there is no pincushioning detected for the Stemmons Freeway sign along Elm Street---and there should be. Costella shows that it is physically impossible for pincushioning to occur in portions of movie frames selectively while other portions are free from the distortion . How could the Stemmons sign have escaped the pincushioning ? The short and undeniable answer is that the Stemmons Freeway sign , as it appears , was inserted into the film after it was processed . The sign should have had the same pincushion distortion as the rest of the frame as well as all the frames before and after the ones in which the sign appears. Recall that the extant film shows JFK smiling and waving to the crowd prior to disappearing behind the sign . When he re-emerges he has his hands up to his throat as he reacts to being shot . Irrefutably , the Stemmons sign obscures the throat shot---a frontal throat shot. Some researchers have theorized that the sign was also struck by a shot from the grassy knoll. ( The sign was not made of metal but was plywood.) Are these the reasons an artificial sign was inserted into the extant film? If so, Costella reasons , the extant film was not merely " altered " ---it was " fabricated ". Fabricated , as in " falsified "---with criminal intent , since obstructing justice was , and still is , a crime. assassinationresearch.com/v3n2/v3n2dellarosa.pdf
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Were there holes in the Stemmons Freeway Sign ? Jim Marrs says that the Freeway sign was taken
down because of the bullet holes in the sign . I had asked the 6th floor curator Gary Mack about the sign several years ago, if he had knowledge of the sign being taken down due to bullet holes . His e-mail reply was that he knew of no holes in the sign. Anyone have any knowledge of bullet holes in the sign on 11-22-63 .
Fair enough there were no holes.But were their stress marks? For example if someone was shooting from the triple over-pass, in theory fragments from the head shot could have hit the sign.
Someone must have that sign somewhere in their garage. I doubt it would be just dumped?
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The Great Zapruder Film Hoax by Jim Fetzer Of all the presenters who traveled to Duluth for the Symposium , the one who traveled farthest was Dr. John Costella, a theoretical physicist from Australia. Dr. Costella is something of a newcomer to the area of JFK research but he has made astounding contributions already. One of the more fascinating discoveries Costella has made involves the Stemmons Freeway sign in Dealey Plaza. As it turns out , the lens system on Zapruder's camera was patented by Bell & Howell; its characteristics are well documented. As many are aware , Zapruder's Bell & Howell Director's Series 414PD camera was set on telephoto while he filmed the presidential motorcade. This lens has a characteristic "pincushioning" effect which tends to pull the image frames outward . This pincushioning effect is clearly present in the extant Zapruder film , as it should be . Except there is no pincushioning detected for the Stemmons Freeway sign along Elm Street---and there should be. Costella shows that it is physically impossible for pincushioning to occur in portions of movie frames selectively while other portions are free from the distortion . How could the Stemmons sign have escaped the pincushioning ? The short and undeniable answer is that the Stemmons Freeway sign , as it appears , was inserted into the film after it was processed . The sign should have had the same pincushion distortion as the rest of the frame as well as all the frames before and after the ones in which the sign appears. Recall that the extant film shows JFK smiling and waving to the crowd prior to disappearing behind the sign . When he re-emerges he has his hands up to his throat as he reacts to being shot . Irrefutably , the Stemmons sign obscures the throat shot---a frontal throat shot. Some researchers have theorized that the sign was also struck by a shot from the grassy knoll. ( The sign was not made of metal but was plywood.) Are these the reasons an artificial sign was inserted into the extant film? If so, Costella reasons , the extant film was not merely " altered " ---it was " fabricated ". Fabricated , as in " falsified "---with criminal intent , since obstructing justice was , and still is , a crime. assassinationresearch.com/v3n2/v3n2dellarosa.pdf
"Except there is no pincushioning detected for the Stemmons Freeway sign along Elm Street---
and there should be. Costella shows that it is physically impossible for pincushioning to occur
in portions of movie frames selectively while other portions are free from the distortion.
How could the Stemmons sign have escaped the pincushioning?"
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Costella may understand the principal, but he doesn't know how to detect pincushioning.
Please note that the neutral position of the Stemmons sign in the Zapruder film was leaning to camera-right. Any "vertical-straightening" of the posts in the corner signals pincushion.
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"Except there is no pincushioning detected for the Stemmons Freeway sign along Elm Street---
and there should be. Costella shows that it is physically impossible for pincushioning to occur
in portions of movie frames selectively while other portions are free from the distortion.
How could the Stemmons sign have escaped the pincushioning?"
(https://images2.imgbox.com/59/63/9pNRwQo7_o.jpg)
Costella may understand the principal, but he doesn't know how to detect pincushioning.
Please note that the neutral position of the Stemmons sign in the Zapruder film was leaning to camera-right. Any "vertical-straightening" of the posts in the corner signals pincushion.
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Forget the "pincushioning" blah/blah/blah. What about the groundskeeper Emmit Hudson giving WC Testimony that the signs had been Taken Down/Moved? If anyone would be aware of something being done to the signs it would be the guy cutting the grass and trimming the Knoll.
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Forget the "pincushioning" blah/blah/blah. What about the groundskeeper Emmit Hudson giving WC Testimony that the signs had been Taken Down/Moved? If anyone would be aware of something being done to the signs it would be the guy cutting the grass and trimming the Knoll.
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Unchanged as of May 24, 1964 when the FBI re-enacted the car's position as seen in the Zapruder film. Pictures taken that day from Zapruder's position appear in WC Exhibits and show the Stemmons sign as it was on the day of the assassination. My best conclusion is that the Stemmons freeway sign was removed at some time after May 24th and when Hudson testified on July 22, 1964.
No doubt thousands of regular Dallas commuters also noticed the sign change.
Daffy Sylvia Meagher claimed Hudson's testimony, given in mid-1964, revealed the Stemmons sign had been "removed completely by early in 1965". She writes: "we do not know if the sign was moved before or after the FBI re-eanactment tests of May 24, 1964, or, for that matter, before or after the Secret Service re-enactments of December 5, 1963". She had almost three years to resolve all or part of that, and nine additional years between her book publication and reissue to correct it.
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Unchanged as of May 24, 1964 when the FBI re-enacted the car's position as seen in the Zapruder film. Pictures taken that day from Zapruder's position appear in WC Exhibits and show the Stemmons sign as it was on the day of the assassination. My best conclusion is that the Stemmons freeway sign was removed at some time after May 24th and when Hudson testified on July 22, 1964.
No doubt thousands of regular Dallas commuters also noticed the sign change.
Daffy Sylvia Meagher claimed Hudson's testimony, given in mid-1964, revealed the Stemmons sign had been "removed completely by early in 1965". She writes: "we do not know if the sign was moved before or after the FBI re-eanactment tests of May 24, 1964, or, for that matter, before or after the Secret Service re-enactments of December 5, 1963". She had almost three years to resolve all or part of that, and nine additional years between her book publication and reissue to correct it.
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The question remains, Why Take Down/Move the signs? The Moving of the signs being done After the FBI examined the Knoll with a fine tooth comb also looms large!
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The question remains, Why Take Down/Move the signs? The Moving of the signs being done After the FBI examined the Knoll with a fine tooth comb also looms large!
The question remains, Why Take Down/Move the signs
Oh, boy: Another twofer
1) Warehouse them for posterity
2) Thwart souvenir hunters
Just sayin'
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The question remains, Why Take Down/Move the signs
Oh, boy: Another twofer
1) Warehouse them for posterity
2) Thwart souvenir hunters
Just sayin'
Per the WC Testimony of grounds keeper Emmit Hudson, the Signs were taken down and MOVED to a Different Location ON THE KNOLL! Those signs were still Physically On the Knoll when Hudson gave his WC Testimony.
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Per the WC Testimony of grounds keeper Emmit Hudson, the Signs were taken down and MOVED to a Different Location ON THE KNOLL! Those signs were still Physically On the Knoll when Hudson gave his WC Testimony.
What ultimately happened to the Stemmon's freeway sign?
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Per the WC Testimony of grounds keeper Emmit Hudson, the Signs were taken down and MOVED to a Different Location ON THE KNOLL! Those signs were still Physically On the Knoll when Hudson gave his WC Testimony.
What testimony are you talking about?
Mr. LIEBELER - There are two signs in picture No. 18, one says, "R.L. Thornton Freeway,
keep right." and the other one says, "Fort worth Turnpike, keep right."
Mr. HUDSON - There were two of them that wasn't too far apart right throught here - them
signs was - one was right along in here and the other one was either further up, I guess.
It's not in that picture - I don't believe."
As published in the Exhibits, the picture Hudson is being shown has limited resolution. The photograph view angle is similar to the better-quality photo below.
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If you look closely, the Stemmons sign can just be distinguished from the foliage. Hudson viewing a less-defined photo would not be able to see the sign. You would think the groundskeeper would have kept track of the location where the Stemmons sign sat for many years and figured that the sign was obscured by foliage.
Mr. HUDSON - Now, they have moved some of those signs. They have moved the
R.L. Thornton Freeway sign and put up a Stemmons sign.
The dallasfreeways research presents evidence that the Thornton Fwy sign was replaced at its original site with a similar-sized sign topped by a smaller sign. This is based on a photo taken on the first-anniversary that included the new sign back-on. It is speculated that the new sign might have made referenced to both the Stemmons and Thornton Fwy, basically replacing two signs with one.
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FWIW, these online images are claimed to have been taken June 4, 1964.
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Blue Ribbon Commission - 56 Years On and Findings Still Valid
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I disagree. He's under oath. He is shown a pic in which he does Not see the sign. He says so. That is Truthful testimony. The man is a grounds keeper operating out of a shed behind the Pergola Shelter. You're Not going to hear him expounding on The Theory Of Relativity.
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I disagree. He's under oath. He is shown a pic in which he does Not see the sign. He says so. That is Truthful testimony. The man is a grounds keeper operating out of a shed behind the Pergola Shelter. You're Not going to hear him expounding on The Theory Of Relativity.
I don't understand why something as crucial as the Stemmons freeway sign would be removed given that it would be needed for reconstruction purposes. Once removed, it made it much more difficult to accurately place JFKs limo at the time of the SBT.
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The Great Zapruder Film Hoax by Jim Fetzer Of all the presenters who traveled to Duluth for the Symposium , the one who traveled farthest was Dr. John Costella, a theoretical physicist from Australia. Dr. Costella is something of a newcomer to the area of JFK research but he has made astounding contributions already. One of the more fascinating discoveries Costella has made involves the Stemmons Freeway sign in Dealey Plaza. As it turns out , the lens system on Zapruder's camera was patented by Bell & Howell; its characteristics are well documented. As many are aware , Zapruder's Bell & Howell Director's Series 414PD camera was set on telephoto while he filmed the presidential motorcade. This lens has a characteristic "pincushioning" effect which tends to pull the image frames outward . This pincushioning effect is clearly present in the extant Zapruder film , as it should be . Except there is no pincushioning detected for the Stemmons Freeway sign along Elm Street---and there should be. Costella shows that it is physically impossible for pincushioning to occur in portions of movie frames selectively while other portions are free from the distortion . How could the Stemmons sign have escaped the pincushioning ? The short and undeniable answer is that the Stemmons Freeway sign , as it appears , was inserted into the film after it was processed . The sign should have had the same pincushion distortion as the rest of the frame as well as all the frames before and after the ones in which the sign appears. Recall that the extant film shows JFK smiling and waving to the crowd prior to disappearing behind the sign . When he re-emerges he has his hands up to his throat as he reacts to being shot . Irrefutably , the Stemmons sign obscures the throat shot---a frontal throat shot. Some researchers have theorized that the sign was also struck by a shot from the grassy knoll. ( Thne sign was not made of metal but was plywood.) Are these the reasons an artificial sign was inserted into the extant film? If so, Costella reasons , the extant film was not merely " altered " ---it was " fabricated ". Fabricated , as in " falsified "---with criminal intent , since obstructing justice was , and still is , a crime. assassinationresearch.com/v3n2/v3n2dellarosa.pdf
'When he re-emerges he has his hands up to his throat as he reacts to being shot'
Nope