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Title: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on December 29, 2018, 07:54:44 PM
No statute of limitations in a murder case

Well where is our fresh investigation?

The HSCA ruled a probable conspiracy defying the WR's findings

A majority of Americans believe there was more than one gunman

Why hasn't there been a full and extensive investigation?

The Garrison Enquiry headed by Jim Garrison (1990)
(A sitting judge on Louisiana's 4th Circuit Court of Appeal)

J Garrison
V Bugliosi
Warren E Burger
J Marrs
M Lane
Ted Kennedy-Recused for Norman Mailer
Edwin Meese

This should have happened 28 years ago

This is what needs to happen - believers and non-believers alike

we should ALL want this - A balanced full & fair investigation


"It's easier to fool people
than to convince them that they have been fooled."

Mark Twain

Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional enquiry into this crime
Post by: Jerry Organ on December 29, 2018, 08:57:36 PM
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No statute of limitations in a murder case

Well where is our fresh investigation?

The HSCA ruled a probable conspiracy defying the WR's findings

A majority of Americans believe there was more than one gunman

Why hasn't there been a full and extensive investigation?

The Garrison Enquiry headed by Jim Garrison (1990)

J Garrison
V Bugliosi
Warren E Burger
J Marrs
M Lane
Ted Kennedy
Edwin Meese

This is what needs to happen - believers and non-believers alike

we should ALL want this - A balanced full & fair investigation


"It's easier to fool people
than to convince them that they have been fooled."

Mark Twain

The critics can't get a single claim pass this Forum, let alone an investigation by no-nonsense competent experts.
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional enquiry into this crime
Post by: Steve Howsley on December 29, 2018, 09:02:50 PM
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J Garrison
V Bugliosi
Warren E Burger
J Marrs
M Lane
Ted Kennedy

I hope you're not expecting any of these to give evidence.
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional enquiry into this crime
Post by: Jerry Freeman on December 29, 2018, 09:08:42 PM
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    We need a fresh congressional enquiry inquiry into this crime
Like a hole in the head... And would Nanny Pelosi chair that committee? Wow...there's fresh for you?  :D
 
 
 
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional enquiry into this crime
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on December 29, 2018, 10:16:07 PM
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I hope you're not expecting any of these to give evidence.

No they wouldn't "give" evidence,they are members not witnesses

well lets see who do we have?

1 former Chief Justice
2 former DA's
1 senator
1 former attorney general
2  journalist/author's
1 lawyer

I guess Jim Marrs is the odd one out

this includes Mailer and Kennedy

you have an alternative panel? pray tell (1990)

Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional enquiry into this crime
Post by: Jerry Freeman on December 29, 2018, 10:27:48 PM
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well lets see who do we have?
Eddie..You can't have a congressional inquiry without any congressmen on the panel.
Chuckie Schumer..Nanny Pelosi...Whackzine Waters etc-Now there's a panel :)
   
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional enquiry into this crime
Post by: Steve Howsley on December 29, 2018, 10:31:14 PM
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No they wouldn't "give" evidence,they are members not witnesses

well lets see who do we have?

1 former Chief Justice
2 former DA's
1 senator
1 former attorney general
1  journalist/author
1 lawyer

I guess Jim Marrs is the odd one out

you have an alternative panel? pray tell (1990)

They are dead Eddie.

Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on December 29, 2018, 10:33:03 PM

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Eddie..You can't have a congressional inquiry without any congressmen on the panel.

sure you can

congress provide oversight and funding

If that's all you want to contribute

please go away

 ;D



Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on December 29, 2018, 10:36:31 PM
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They are dead Eddie.

NO SH&T really?

Can't you LN'ers read?

It says 1990 (thats when it should have been done)

I can't have my allstar team today, early 90's were peak interest in JFK

Is that all you got, complaints?

please contribute or go away
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on December 29, 2018, 11:26:08 PM
Of course we all remember when Senator Kennedy early in the initial

investigation had to recuse himself and was replaced by Journalist

Norman Mailer (August 1990)

He was so upset by revelations that he was forced to resign

Mr Bugliosi and Mr Lane have been at loggerheads the entire inquiry

resulting in some rather vigorous cross examination of witness

Ruth Paine live on C-SPAN

more to follow...
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Jerry Freeman on December 30, 2018, 04:18:48 AM
Does Eddie remind anyone else of james.m.crary ?
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on January 01, 2019, 01:53:13 AM

It would be utterly humiliating for the federal government

to dig up that cemetery

thats why it wont ever happen
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 02, 2019, 08:19:52 PM
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It would be utterly humiliating for the federal government

to dig up that cemetery

thats why it wont ever happen

They covered up the crime....  Why would they want to uncover the treason,treachery, and perfidy??

PS... Mr Haymaker, I recall that you posted an opinion that you can accept that Lee Oswald murdered Officer JD Tippit but you cannot accept that he murdered John Kennedy.

Are you aware that the official tale says that the reason that the arch villain Lee Harrrrrvey Osssssswald ( BOOOOOOOO HISSSSSS !) shot Tippit was because he was a desperate fleeing assassin...and JD Tippit approached the evil fleeing desperado.

Never mind that Tippit was totally unprepared to arrest a fleeing desperado, and didn't request back up, or even have his revolver in his hand when he got out of his patrol car.......
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on January 03, 2019, 12:33:49 AM

Several reasons I said that
Yes I do understand the very basic outline of the case
thank you

He try's to shoot an officer in the TT (the webbing on his hand saves him)
The timeline IS possible however unlikely (could have doesn't mean did)
The jacket bothers me
how could they know to frame him that he would be wearing it?
It is found before 1.30 pm (dispatch records)

IMO If he did shoot JD it wasn't to aid his escape
It was because JD was involved in some way (he went straight to him)

But even If he was innocent of the murders
He still serves 10-20 years for assault,resisting arrest and attempted murder of an officer
Even the most devout CT's must agree
no matter how you slice it he doesn't walk out of there

2 things I know for sure (MO)
He did not fire the shot that killed JFK
The WR was a cover up

I have promoted my own theories on this case but
purely hypothetical's

I cannot ignore evidence even If it detracts from my own theories
for If not, what are we doin here?

Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Oscar Navarro on January 03, 2019, 08:22:04 PM
I'm sure that once the last .5% of the documents are released the smoking gun will be revealed and Congress will finally approve the $15 Billion needed for the border wall. 
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on January 03, 2019, 08:34:19 PM

Well If trumpy wont release the files

no president will

(If the US state department did their job)

Oswald would never have been let back in to the US

"Well,I guess If we (CIA CI) can use him for something expendable"

"hell,let him in.we'll watch him"



Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 03, 2019, 09:49:20 PM
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Several reasons I said that
Yes I do understand the very basic outline of the case
thank you

He try's to shoot an officer in the TT (the webbing on his hand saves him)
The timeline IS possible however unlikely (could have doesn't mean did)
The jacket bothers me
how could they know to frame him that he would be wearing it?
It is found before 1.30 pm (dispatch records)


IMO If he did shoot JD it wasn't to aid his escape
It was because JD was involved in some way (he went straight to him)

But even If he was innocent of the murders
He still serves 10-20 years for assault,resisting arrest and attempted murder of an officer
Even the most devout CT's must agree
no matter how you slice it he doesn't walk out of there

2 things I know for sure (MO)
He did not fire the shot that killed JFK
The WR was a cover up

I have promoted my own theories on this case but
purely hypothetical's

I cannot ignore evidence even If it detracts from my own theories
for If not, what are we doin here?

He try's to shoot an officer in the TT (the webbing on his hand saves him)

Common sense would tell you this isn't true.... He would have seen the police throughout the theater and if he had shot Tippit, he would have known to get rid of the gun immediately.....( put it on the floor and kick it away...) And if he had committed no crime ....  He would have known that the gun might get him in trouble so he would not have kept it....   Oh and did I mention that the killer didn't hesitate for a second when he shot Tippit...  If that killer had been Lee he Mc Donald wouldn't be alive to tell his lies...

The timeline IS possible however unlikely (could have doesn't mean did)

So you actually believe that Lee could have traveled the mile from the rooming house to the Tippit scene in the two minutes between 1:04 when Mres Roberts saw him at the rooming house and 1:06 when Helen Markham saw Tippit shot!

The jacket bothers me

Yes, It bothers me also....It was  GRAY  when the killer was wearing it but it was WHITE when it was turned into the crime lab

how could they know to frame him that he would be wearing it?

WAS HE WEARING A JACKET ??  .... Mrs Roberts was the ONLY witness who knew him that saw him after 1:00 pm....Could she have been mistaken about seeing him putting on a jacket?...Why would he want a Jacket on a warm sunny afternoon?  Is it possible that he was putting on a shirt?? IF IF mrs Roberts actually saw him donning an item of apparel ??

It is found before 1.30 pm (dispatch records)

I have never believed the Jacket story....  I suspect the cop who found it lifted it from the seat of the Oldsmobile and I believe that jacket had the owner's wallet in the pocket...
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on January 03, 2019, 10:05:13 PM

Hey man

I'm the devils advocate aye - I dont believe that scenario myself

I'm just pointing out the evidence

Mrs Roberts evidence is quite good I'm afraid and no one (from either side) has really seriously challenged it.
She even describes him zipping it up as he left
Markham on the other hand is unreliable at best (as we have covered ad nauseam on this forum) as are most of the JD scene witnesses IMO.

IMO he walks south (he thinks about bussing into town to connect to another and ride out to Irving to check on his rifle and his family but thinks better of it)arriving at the TT before 1.20pm and goes no where near East 10th.Why ?its not on the way anywhere.If he was "cutting through" on his way to Jefferson why not walk straight south down Patton? Where would he have been heading down East 10th?


Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Oscar Navarro on January 03, 2019, 10:22:19 PM
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They covered up the crime....  Why would they want to uncover the treason,treachery, and perfidy??

PS... Mr Haymaker, I recall that you posted an opinion that you can accept that Lee Oswald murdered Officer JD Tippit but you cannot accept that he murdered John Kennedy.

Are you aware that the official tale says that the reason that the arch villain Lee Harrrrrvey Osssssswald ( BOOOOOOOO HISSSSSS !) shot Tippit was because he was a desperate fleeing assassin...and JD Tippit approached the evil fleeing desperado.

Never mind that Tippit was totally unprepared to arrest a fleeing desperado, and didn't request back up, or even have his revolver in his hand when he got out of his patrol car.......

Do police officers normally pull out their revolvers when in the process of questioning a suspect?
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on January 03, 2019, 10:25:39 PM

This is weird

we all know he had his revolver drawn and it was found

under his body by first respondents
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 03, 2019, 11:13:56 PM
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Do police officers normally pull out their revolvers when in the process of questioning a suspect?

The tale leads the sucker to believe that Lee Oswald was desperately fleeing a scene in which he had cold bloodily murdered the President of the US....   
If that was true then JD Tippit would not have been so stupid as to approach the insane killer without being prepared to defend himself....

Is this too difficult for you to comprehend?
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 04, 2019, 12:42:22 AM
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This is weird

we all know he had his revolver drawn and it was found

under his body by first respondents

we all know he had his revolver drawn and it was found under his body by first respondents

We ALL know nothing of the kind....There are several differing reports of where Tippit's revolver was found....

WE simply don't know where Tippit's revolver was found but it should be apparent that he DID NOT have it in his hand, because he never fired a single shot ...and he surely would have when he saw the man who was supposed to be an insane killer, pulling a gun.....
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Oscar Navarro on January 04, 2019, 01:20:12 AM
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The tale leads the sucker to believe that Lee Oswald was desperately fleeing a scene in which he had cold bloodily murdered the President of the US....   
If that was true then JD Tippit would not have been so stupid as to approach the insane killer without being prepared to defend himself....

Is this too difficult for you to comprehend?


It's no tale, Cakebread. What the heck was Saint Oswald doing on 10th and Patton 45 minutes after he shot JFK wearing a jacket and carrying his S&W 38 he picked up at the N. Beckley rooming house if not trying to flee!!!!! Trying to guess what was on Tippit's mind when he stopped Saint Oswald is a red herring  when discussing Oswald's presence at 10th and Patton. What can rationally explain Tippit's actions is that he definitely stopped LHO because he had been given a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting that closely matched Oswald. What possibly doomed Tippit was his habit of looking down when approaching a person. Should he had drawn his revolver as Baker did when he confronted Oswald at the 2nd floor lunchroom is not an unreasonable question to ask but the circumstances were not the same. Tippit confronted a possible suspect in a shooting that happened miles away. What was discussed between Tippit and Oswald while Tippit was inside the police car can only be speculated but it does appear it did cause Tippit to become suspicious but not to the degree that would lead to Tippit to draw his weapon as Baker did. 
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Oscar Navarro on January 04, 2019, 01:24:49 AM
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This is weird

we all know he had his revolver drawn and it was found

under his body by first respondents

No, we don't know that for sure. Tippit may have been in the process of reacting to Oswald shooting at him or the revolver fell when Tippit hit the ground. This is immaterial to anything that has to do with Oswald shooting Tippit. What is of material importance is the fact that it was Oswald who shot Tippit. 
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Martin Weidmann on January 04, 2019, 01:39:51 AM
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It's no tale, Cakebread. What the heck was Saint Oswald doing on 10th and Patton 45 minutes after he shot JFK wearing a jacket and carrying his S&W 38 he picked up at the N. Beckley rooming house if not trying to flee!!!!! Trying to guess what was on Tippit's mind when he stopped Saint Oswald is a red herring  when discussing Oswald's presence at 10th and Patton. What can rationally explain Tippit's actions is that he definitely stopped LHO because he had been given a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting that closely matched Oswald. What possibly doomed Tippit was his habit of looking down when approaching a person. Should he had drawn his revolver as Baker did when he confronted Oswald at the 2nd floor lunchroom is not an unreasonable question to ask but the circumstances were not the same. Tippit confronted a possible suspect in a shooting that happened miles away. What was discussed between Tippit and Oswald while Tippit was inside the police car can only be speculated but it does appear it did cause Tippit to become suspicious but not to the degree that would lead to Tippit to draw his weapon as Baker did.

What the heck was Saint Oswald doing on 10th and Patton 45 minutes after he shot JFK wearing a jacket and carrying his S&W 38 he picked up at the N. Beckley rooming house if not trying to flee!!!!! 

Good question! If he was trying to flee he could have gotten on a bus out of town, so what was he doing on 10th/Patton?

What can rationally explain Tippit's actions is that he definitely stopped LHO because he had been given a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting that closely matched Oswald.

I have not heard such a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting on DPD radio.

What possibly doomed Tippit was his habit of looking down when approaching a person.

And you know this. how?

Tippit confronted a possible suspect in a shooting that happened miles away.

Really, so now you proclaim to know what motivated Tippit to stop his killer?

What was discussed between Tippit and Oswald while Tippit was inside the police car can only be speculated but it does appear it did cause Tippit to become suspicious but not to the degree that would lead to Tippit to draw his weapon as Baker did. 

Now you contradict yourself. Didn't you just say that Tippit stopped his killer because he matched the description of JFK's killer? Since when do police officers first have a friendly chat with a murder suspect before they get suspicious?
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on January 04, 2019, 01:40:52 AM

EB a credible witness specifically said so

So yeah,we do know for sure

Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Oscar Navarro on January 04, 2019, 02:10:33 AM
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What the heck was Saint Oswald doing on 10th and Patton 45 minutes after he shot JFK wearing a jacket and carrying his S&W 38 he picked up at the N. Beckley rooming house if not trying to flee!!!!! 

Good question! If he was trying to flee he could have gotten on a bus out of town, so what was he doing on 10th/Patton?

What can rationally explain Tippit's actions is that he definitely stopped LHO because he had been given a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting that closely matched Oswald.

I have not heard such a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting on DPD radio.

What possibly doomed Tippit was his habit of looking down when approaching a person.

And you know this. how?

Tippit confronted a possible suspect in a shooting that happened miles away.

Really, so now you proclaim to know what motivated Tippit to stop his killer?

What was discussed between Tippit and Oswald while Tippit was inside the police car can only be speculated but it does appear it did cause Tippit to become suspicious but not to the degree that would lead to Tippit to draw his weapon as Baker did. 

Now you contradict yourself. Didn't you just say that Tippit stopped his killer because he matched the description of JFK's killer? Since when do police officers first have a friendly chat with a murder suspect before they get suspicious?

Good question! If he was trying to flee he could have gotten on a bus out of town, so what was he doing on 10th/Patton?

Trying to flee. It's possible he was on his way to a bus line that would eventually take him to Mexico.

I have not heard such a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting on DPD radio.

I believe a description probably given by Brennan went out at 12:45, 12:48, and 12:55 PM

"Attention all squads, attention all squads. The suspect at Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, approximately thirty. Slender build, height five feet, ten inches. Weight one-hundred sixty five pounds. reported to be armed with what is thought to be a thirty caliber rifle. ...No further description at this time". 12:45 KKB-364  Reclaiming History, page 64.

And you know this. how?

"Tippit had a bad habit , which his fellow officers unsuccessfully tried to break him of, of never looking anyone straight in the eye, looking down or sometimes sideways when he approached a person on duty. This may have accounted for how Oswald got the jump on him". Reclaiming History, page 78 endnote.

Really, so now you proclaim to know what motivated Tippit to stop his killer?


Yep!

Now you contradict yourself. Didn't you just say that Tippit stopped his killer because he matched the description of JFK's killer? Since when do police officers first have a friendly chat with a murder suspect before they get suspicious?


Tippit did more than just stop Oswald. He also got out of his cruiser. But now you're the one who's speculating about the nature of the chat.






Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: John Iacoletti on January 16, 2019, 08:18:20 PM
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"Attention all squads, attention all squads. The suspect at Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, approximately thirty. Slender build, height five feet, ten inches. Weight one-hundred sixty five pounds. reported to be armed with what is thought to be a thirty caliber rifle. ...No further description at this time".

How does this "closely match Oswald"?  Or even the person who Tippit stopped (as described by the witnesses)?
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: John Iacoletti on January 16, 2019, 08:28:17 PM
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"Tippit had a bad habit , which his fellow officers unsuccessfully tried to break him of, of never looking anyone straight in the eye, looking down or sometimes sideways when he approached a person on duty. This may have accounted for how Oswald got the jump on him". Reclaiming History, page 78 endnote.

This is based on an HSCA interview of dispatcher Murray Jackson.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=99579#relPageId=4&tab=page (https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=99579#relPageId=4&tab=page)

Note that this is a summary, and not a verbatim transcript.
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Martin Weidmann on January 16, 2019, 08:32:26 PM
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Good question! If he was trying to flee he could have gotten on a bus out of town, so what was he doing on 10th/Patton?

Trying to flee. It's possible he was on his way to a bus line that would eventually take him to Mexico.


You clearly have never been to 10th/Patton.

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I have not heard such a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting on DPD radio.

I believe a description probably given by Brennan went out at 12:45, 12:48, and 12:55 PM

"Attention all squads, attention all squads. The suspect at Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, approximately thirty. Slender build, height five feet, ten inches. Weight one-hundred sixty five pounds. reported to be armed with what is thought to be a thirty caliber rifle. ...No further description at this time". 12:45 KKB-364  Reclaiming History, page 64.


Already answered by John Iacoletti

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And you know this. how?

"Tippit had a bad habit , which his fellow officers unsuccessfully tried to break him of, of never looking anyone straight in the eye, looking down or sometimes sideways when he approached a person on duty. This may have accounted for how Oswald got the jump on him". Reclaiming History, page 78 endnote.


Oh well, when Bugs claims it, it must be true, right?

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Really, so now you proclaim to know what motivated Tippit to stop his killer?

Yep!


Amazing? now you are psychic as well?

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Now you contradict yourself. Didn't you just say that Tippit stopped his killer because he matched the description of JFK's killer? Since when do police officers first have a friendly chat with a murder suspect before they get suspicious?


Tippit did more than just stop Oswald. He also got out of his cruiser. But now you're the one who's speculating about the nature of the chat.

No, I am not speculating about anything. We know that the killer talked to Tippit before the latter got out of his car. Seems a very strange way for a police officer to approach a potential murder suspect who could be armed, that's all?.
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 01, 2019, 08:01:40 PM
A response to an Oscar Navarro response to a Martin Weidmann post 
 
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what was he doing on 10th/Patton ?
[In response to a previous post---Oscar Navarro is in the bold mine is in italics]

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Trying to flee. It's possible he was on his way to a bus line that would eventually take him to Mexico.
[ An implausible presumption. The speculated bus line to Mexico was was right where Oswald allegedly took the taxi --not in Oak Cliff]
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I have not heard such a description of the suspect in the JFK shooting on DPD radio.
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I believe a description probably given by Brennan went out at 12:45, 12:48, and 12:55 PM

[according to police transcript...Tippit was unresponsive and/or gone from his cruiser for phone calls at these times.]
[The description was vague..and didn't even remotely match Oswald.]
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"Tippit had a bad habit , which his fellow officers unsuccessfully tried to break him of, of never looking anyone straight in the eye, looking down or sometimes sideways when he approached a person on duty. This may have accounted for how Oswald got the jump on him". Reclaiming History, page 78 
[Maybe Vince got that from reading the fictional Portrait of the Assassin]
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Now you contradict yourself. Didn't you just say that Tippit stopped his killer because he matched the description of JFK's killer? Since when do police officers first have a friendly chat with a murder suspect before they get suspicious?
Tippit did more than just stop Oswald. He also got out of his cruiser. But now you're the one who's speculating about the nature of the chat.
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Mrs. MARKHAM. The window was down.
Mr. BALL. It was?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Put his arms on the window ledge?
Mrs. MARKHAM. On the ledge of the window.
Mr. BALL. And the policeman was sitting where?
Mrs. MARKHAM. On the driver's side.
Mr. BALL. He was sitting behind the wheel?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Was he alone in the car?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Then what happened?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, I didn't think nothing about it; you know, the police are nice and friendly, and I thought friendly conversation. Well, I looked, and there were cars coming, so I had to wait. Well, in a few minutes this man made-- Mrs. MARKHAM. The policeman calmly opened the car door, very slowly, wasn't angry or nothing, he calmly crawled out of this car, and I still just thought a friendly conversation, maybe disturbance in the house, I did not know; well, just as the policeman got--
Note that I did not call Oscar a liar even though his responses were inaccurate.
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 01, 2019, 09:08:59 PM
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A response to an Oscar Navarro response to a Martin Weidmann post 
 [In response to a previous post---Oscar Navarro is in the bold mine is in italics]
[ An implausible presumption. The speculated bus line to Mexico was was right where Oswald allegedly took the taxi --not in Oak Cliff
[according to police transcript...Tippit was unresponsive and/or gone from his cruiser for phone calls at these times.]Maybe Vince got that from reading the fictional Portrait of the Assassin
[The description was vague..and didn't even remotely match Oswald.][?] Tippit did more than just stop Oswald. He also got out of his cruiser. But now you're the one who's speculating about the nature of the chat. Note that I did not call Oscar a liar even though his responses were inaccurate.

"Maybe Vince got that from reading the fictional Portrait of the Assassin"

Nah. Possibly from RC Nelson, Tippit's partner
Maybe do some research instead of trying to be witty. You're just not good at it.
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 01, 2019, 09:20:34 PM
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You clearly have never been to 10th/Patton.

Already answered by John Iacoletti

Oh well, when Bugs claims it, it must be true, right?

Amazing? now you are psychic as well?

No, I am not speculating about anything. We know that the killer talked to Tippit before the latter got out of his car. Seems a very strange way for a police officer to approach a potential murder suspect who could be armed, that's all?.

"Tippit had a bad habit , which his fellow officers unsuccessfully tried to break him of, of never looking anyone straight in the eye, looking down or sometimes sideways when he approached a person on duty. This may have accounted for how Oswald got the jump on him". Reclaiming History, page 78 endnote. [Posted by Oscar]

Oh well, when Bugs claims it, it must be true, right?
>>> Ask Tippit's partner RC Nelson if Bugliosi is accurate

Poor dumb cop
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 01, 2019, 10:04:20 PM
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  You're just not good at it.
That may be... but you on the other hand are absolutely terrible at it. You find a little booger and pick it all day long and then ignore the rest of the snot.
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 01, 2019, 10:35:23 PM
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Ask Tippit's partner RC Nelson if Bugliosi is accurate.
Way to go Chappo...Way to go.  Aren't they are all dead now?  Nelson said that he and J.D. Tippit were the only two officers assigned to the south district of the city on November 22, 1963, with  Tippit in charge of the entire Oak Cliff neighborhood...   
 https://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/11/20/exclusive-jfk-assassination-witness-speaks-for-1st-time/
See? I checked.
Nelson also said that ...
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[After the shots] he was on the scene within two minutes and when he arrived, people were still on the ground and screaming. Nelson asked a motorman when he got to the scene what had happened?
?Somebody shot and killed Kennedy,? Nelson recalled the ?motor jockey? (motor patrolman) saying. ?He was up there (pointing to book depository). I saw the rifle in the window when I looked up.? Nelson said the motorman then said, ?I saw Kennedy?s head blown off.? Nelson contacted an inspector to ask what to do and his superior told him to just be in the area.
You and your eyeball cop witness just hang out :D
 It took 50 years for Nelson to "speak for the first time". I guess the Warren Commission didn't need his statements.
 
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 01, 2019, 10:42:54 PM
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That may be... but you on the other hand are absolutely terrible at it. You find a little booger and pick it all day long and then ignore the rest of the snot.

LOL

You just ignored my research* correcting your weak attempt at putting Bugliosi down.
You just did what you accuse me of... unbelievable!
Seems you ignored your own 'snot'.

*RC Nelson, Tippit's partner. 
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 01, 2019, 10:56:26 PM
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Way to go Chappo...Way to go.  Aren't they are all dead now?  Nelson said that he and J.D. Tippit were the only two officers assigned to the south district of the city on November 22, 1963, with  Tippit in charge of the entire Oak Cliff neighborhood...   
 https://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/11/20/exclusive-jfk-assassination-witness-speaks-for-1st-time/
See? I checked.
Nelson also said that ...  You and your eyeball cop witness just hang out :D
 It took 50 years for Nelson to "speak for the first time". I guess the Warren Commission didn't need his statements.

Tell us what any of that has to do with what Bugliosi's sources were for his research regarding Tippit
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 02, 2019, 12:09:03 AM
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Tell us what any of that has to do with what Bugliosi's sources were for his research regarding Tippit
Chappo you are on a completely downward spiral---- Pity. 
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 03, 2019, 01:51:28 AM
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Chappo you are on a completely downward spiral---- Pity.

Keep dodging.

You continue to deflect. You're attempting to bury my initial comment, which was directed solely at your brushing off Bugliosi's research regarding Tippit's behaviour as seen by fellow officers. You (and Weidmann) practically accused him of making that up about Tippit. Unfortunately for you lazy buffs, fellow officer RC Nelson has inadvertently confirmed Bug's research, leaving you to do nothing but slither away.

You're the one spiralling downward.

Perhaps I shall call you Mr. Freefall...

Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Colin Crow on February 03, 2019, 11:26:05 AM
The articles contains a number of factual inaccuracies.

"Only two people were working the south district,? Nelson said, ?my partner J.D. Tippit and me. Tippit was working the entire Oak Cliff section..""

Patently incorrect for example.

Did you research the various statements in the article Bill? You do know that Nelson was supposedly instructed to stay in Oak Cliff with Tippit by Murray Jackson. Yet he went to the TSBD instead. Wonder why.

As for Bugs "theory".....maybe looking downward and not in someone?s eye might help if they are drawing a gun.....cuts both ways I suppose.

Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 03, 2019, 08:42:51 PM
 
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Keep dodging.
Chappo brought up Nelson and Nelson was full of ....
Colin calls it 'inaccuracies'.. He is too kind. I call it lies. Nelson lied about a cop telling him that he saw the gunman up in the TSBD. [See my earlier post] Such a witness would have certainly testified before the Commission and yet Nelson waits 50 years to even talk about it.
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Perhaps I shall call you Mr. Freefall...
  By all means do so. Because I am not restrained by the sluggish..gummed up lack of logic you apparently possess ;D Cheers
 
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 10, 2019, 10:28:59 PM
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Keep dodging. You continue to deflect.
Look who hasn't responded to my last post. The more that I checked, the stranger this thing about Nelson became. It takes some review of the DPD radio transcripts but R. C. Nelson was not present at the locations he claims at the time after the assassination and after the shooting of Tippit...and then again after 50 years later.
According to Nelson...Tippit didn't stop Oswald at all. No, Oswald beckoned Tippit to stop and pull over [so Oswald could pull a gun and shoot him I guess] Talk about conjecture.   https://www.inquisitr.com/1037935/jfk-assassination-witness-speaks-out-for-first-time/
Nelson was Tippit's friend and partner? OK so why was he not called before the Warren Commission and why was he not mentioned by the HSCA in their inquest?  http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo4/jfk12/hscalojt.htm
It is like Nelson did not seem to have had any association with Tippit at all! Yet he remains so apparently tearful after 50 years in his Youtube videos. Nelson was the arresting officer of Jack Ruby? [I didn't know that]
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Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 11, 2019, 01:30:10 AM
Some other bogus Nelson statements....
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?I think he (Oswald) was amazed that he wasn?t arrested after the shooting. The book depository was covered with cops and he walks out! He didn?t appear to have a plan. He couldn?t go home. So he hails a cab and then gets on a bus.?
I believe there are various time estimates from other employees that the building wasn't shut down for 20 or 30 minutes.
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Dallas police sealed off the exits from the Texas School Book Depository range approximately between 12:33 and 12:50 p.m.[60][61]
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy
I thought the story was Oswald caught.. first the bus.. then the cab.
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The fact that Tippit was shot in the temple, suggests to Nelson that he was looking away, and Oswald was the one who approached and shot him.
The facts suggest to me that Tippit was shot three times and then lying helpless was shot in the head. I have always wondered why..if the idea was to avoid detention by a policeman..would the shooter remain and substantiate that the cop would be dead by firing a coup d gras shot into the brain? If Tippit was shot in the head first...then why shoot him in the belly three times?
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?Apparently, Oswald hit McDonald, then pulled a gun on him and one of the other (cops) knocked the gun away,? R.C. Nelson says. ?That?s when McDonald punched Oswald."
So, according to the story...A guy who was supposed to have the jump on Tippit..firing devil may care into a cop's belly just gives the next cop who came along a bitch slap then the cop slaps back ....UNBELIEVABLE!! :D
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Paul May on February 11, 2019, 07:46:46 PM
No new hard nor credible evidence in 56 years.  A new investigation? Surely you jest.  In addition, the Kennedy family would never allow an exhumation of the body.  Without it, any investigation would be pointless.
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 11, 2019, 08:43:08 PM
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The articles contains a number of factual inaccuracies.

"Only two people were working the south district,? Nelson said, ?my partner J.D. Tippit and me. Tippit was working the entire Oak Cliff section..""

Patently incorrect for example.

Did you research the various statements in the article Bill? You do know that Nelson was supposedly instructed to stay in Oak Cliff with Tippit by Murray Jackson. Yet he went to the TSBD instead. Wonder why.

As for Bugs "theory".....maybe looking downward and not in someone?s eye might help if they are drawing a gun.....cuts both ways I suppose.

A perp intent on shooting you is going to be on the alert for a mistake like that. In any case Colin, I'm not invested in what Nelson said other than what probably got Tippit killed.

Poor dumb cop.
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 11, 2019, 08:57:59 PM
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   Chappo brought up Nelson and Nelson was full of ....
Colin calls it 'inaccuracies'.. He is too kind. I call it lies. Nelson lied about a cop telling him that he saw the gunman up in the TSBD. [See my earlier post] Such a witness would have certainly testified before the Commission and yet Nelson waits 50 years to even talk about it.  By all means do so. Because I am not restrained by the sluggish..gummed up lack of logic you apparently possess ;D Cheers

Your own 'logic' is more than a little fuzzy in nature...
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Anthony Clayden on February 11, 2019, 09:09:00 PM
The main thing that a new investigation could do is re-examine the JFK's body, to see if the any evidence of the bullet movements of the "magic" bullet and to confirm the impact location of the head shot.

Unfortunately the other things I would like to get solved will now never be solved, the people are dead or too old to be of any real assistance
Getting the full testimony of the 4 ladies on 4th floor is now too late. Garner to confirm actions of Adams and Styles and her own, Dormann to confirm movements of the other three.
Sorting out Hines and Reid failure to cross paths (one of their testimonies just doesn't fit the other).
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 11, 2019, 09:25:12 PM
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Your own 'logic' is more than a little fuzzy in nature...
Sez U. Your logic is nonexistent Ole Chap.
Chapman doesn't see anything odd about Tippit's dedicated buddy and partner not being subject to discussion or interview or being called to testify what was up with him on that particular day.
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Paul May on February 11, 2019, 10:07:01 PM
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The main thing that a new investigation could do is re-examine the JFK's body, to see if the any evidence of the bullet movements of the "magic" bullet and to confirm the impact location of the head shot.

Unfortunately the other things I would like to get solved will now never be solved, the people are dead or too old to be of any real assistance
Getting the full testimony of the 4 ladies on 4th floor is now too late. Garner to confirm actions of Adams and Styles and her own, Dormann to confirm movements of the other three.
Sorting out Hines and Reid failure to cross paths (one of their testimonies just doesn't fit the other).

Wrong. A new investigation could not exhume JFK?s body.  Only the Kennedy family could authorize that and it will never happen.  Ever.
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 11, 2019, 10:25:50 PM
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Sez U. Your logic is nonexistent Ole Chap.
Chapman doesn't see anything odd about Tippit's dedicated buddy and partner not being subject to discussion or interview or being called to testify what was up with him on that particular day.

You lot see malevolence and sinister intent at every turn.

In this particular case, I have proven that 'poor dumb cop' is not a vacuous reference, as charged against myself by John Iacoletti. However, Tippit has likely proven the term applicable. It seems to me that?based on information supplied by Nelson about Tippit's somewhat odd behaviour? that indeed Oswald did in fact base his comment (heard by a witness) on that very behaviour.

Poor dumb cop.
 
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Paul May on February 12, 2019, 12:03:14 AM
90% of the postings on this thread have little/nothing to do with the thread subject.  Why must this routinely happen here?
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 12, 2019, 12:48:49 AM
 
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No new hard nor credible evidence in 56 years. 
How about the old and not very credible 'evidence' claims declarations whitewash that has been pointed out for the last year?
 
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You lot see malevolence and sinister intent at every turn.
Not at all. I just see the turns going the wrong way down a one way street. In fact there seems to be no end of what can be found.
A friend of Oswald's baby sitter testified before the Warren Commission but Tippit's law enforcement partner didn't.
Jack Ruby's aunt's birth certificate was submitted in evidence but the exact whereabouts of Dallas police officers on the morning of Nov 22 '63 fail to appear. It was like saying...'yeah we covered it up-So what?'

 
 
Title: Re: We need a fresh congressional inquiry into this crime
Post by: Paul May on February 12, 2019, 01:14:11 AM
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  How about the old and not very credible 'evidence' claims declarations whitewash that has been pointed out for the last year?
  Not at all. I just see the turns going the wrong way down a one way street. In fact there seems to be no end of what can be found.
A friend of Oswald's baby sitter testified before the Warren Commission but Tippit's law enforcement partner didn't.
Jack Ruby's aunt's birth certificate was submitted in evidence but the exact whereabouts of Dallas police officers on the morning of Nov 22 '63 fail to appear. It was like saying...'yeah we covered it up-So what?'

Pointed out is NOT evidence, now is it?