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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: John Mytton on December 21, 2018, 06:03:13 AM
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Suicide by Cop!
1. After being denied entry into Russia, Oswald went full on Kook and slashed his wrist creating a 2 inch gash which rendered him unconscious, produced copious amounts of blood and required stitches. Now I'm aware that there is some speculation that the suicide attempt was just for show but to those that believe this I dare you to start slashing at your wrist and recreate a 2 inch wound that bleeds excessively, knocks you out and requires stitches and then if you live try and convince your local shrink that you are A'OK! Btw do secret agents usually mutilate their own bodies in some type of ritualistic rite of passage?
(https://i.postimg.cc/v85pFj0q/2-inch-wrist-wound.jpg)
Not Oswald.
But no need for speculation In Oswald's "Historic Diary" he tells us in his own words he is ready to die!
Oct. 21 (morning). Meeting with single official. Balding stout, black suit fairly good English, asks what do I want? I say Soviet citizenship. He ask why I give vague answers about "Great Soviet Union." He tells me "USSR only great in Literature," wants me to go back home. I am stunned; I reiterate. He says he shall check and let me know whether my visa will be (extended it expires today).
Eve. 6.00 Receive word from police official. I must leave country tonight at 8.00 P.M. as visa expires. I am shocked!! My dreams! I retire to my room. I have $100. left. I have waited for 2 years to be accepted. My fondest dreams are shattered because of a petty official; because of bad planning. I planned too much! 7.00 P.M. I decide to end it. Soak wrist in cold water to numb the pain. Then slash my left wrist. Then plug wrist into bathtub of hot water. I think "when Rima comes at 8 to find me dead, it will be a great shock." Somewhere, a violin plays, as I watch my life whirl away. I think to myself, "how easy to die" and a sweet death, (to violins). About 8.00, Rima finds my unconscious (bathtub water a rich red color). She screams (I remember that) and runs for help. Ambulance comes, am taken to hospital where five stitches are put in my wrists. Poor Rima stays by my side as interpreter (my Russian is still very bad) far into the night. I tell her, "go home" (my mood is bad) but she stays, she is "my friend" She has a strong will. Only at this moment I notice she is pretty.
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2. In the Walker note in early 1963 Oswald tells us again he is prepared to die "If I am taken alive...", so again Oswald is willing to die for what he believes.
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3. In the Texas theater there was a stack of Police and apparently many were openly carrying shotguns/rifles so instead of innocently just letting his revolver be seized and answer a few questions, Oswald instead pulls the trigger and tries to go out like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MKNPnm3M/police-in-theater.jpg)
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JohnM
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According to the psychiatric report done on Oswald by Soviet doctors after this attempt, a Dr. Mikkhailova (who apparently treated him) stated that "this patient regrets his attempt and now wants to go home." A couple of hours later, he said he doesn't want to go back.
So, is the idea that the CIA told him to cut his wrists in a fake suicide - yeah, that'll persuade the Soviets they should take you? Then when he recovers and is evaluated he says he wants to go back home. Great, so why fake the suicide if you want to go back? Does this at all make sense?
Then he changes his mind again and wants to stay. Was this taught in the "fake defector program" run by Angleton?
As to the wound: Mailer interviewed (in his book "Oswald's Tale") another doctor who said he treated Oswald (Mikkahilova apparently conducted the psychiatric evaluation) and he, the doctor, said it was "never a serious wound" and that "the cut was three centimeters, not quite an inch and a quarter long."
To me it clearly shows a desperate unstable person who is lost, who doesn't know where he is going or want he wants to do. Certainly not some US trained intelligence officer sent to infiltrate the Soviet Union in the middle of the Cold War. Guess what? This is what the Soviets concluded too.
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Not Oswald.
Obviously that photo was not Oswald. But nice propaganda.
(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/oswald-wrist.gif)
But no need for speculation In Oswald's "Historic Diary" he tells us in his own words he is ready to die!
So now you believe something Oswald says.
2. In the Walker note in early 1963 Oswald tells us again he is prepared to die "If I am taken alive...", so again Oswald is willing to die for what he believes.
"Walker note". LOL.
3. In the Texas theater there was a stack of Police and apparently many were openly carrying shotguns/rifles so instead of innocently just letting his revolver be seized and answer a few questions, Oswald instead pulls the trigger and tries to go out like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid.
BS: There is no evidence that Oswald pulled a trigger. That's a pure fabrication based on a clicking noise heard during a struggle when several hands were on a gun.
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BS: There is no evidence that Oswald pulled a trigger. That's a pure fabrication based on a clicking noise heard during a struggle when several hands were on a gun.
Were these 'several hands' on the same gun Oswald was seen brandishing up in the air?
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BS: There is no evidence that Oswald pulled a trigger. That's a pure fabrication based on a clicking noise heard during a struggle when several hands were on a gun.
Well, there is a memoir, featuring "Officer" Johnny Brewer.:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6878126/ns/us_news/t/officer-who-arrested-oswald-dies/#.XB2tuIzPw2w
Officer who arrested Oswald dies at 76
McDonald also saved fellow policeman from death
updated 1/27/2005 8:10:25 PM ET
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...In a memoir, ?The Arrest and Capture of Lee Harvey Oswald,? McDonald recalled going to the rear of the theater after police received a tip that a suspicious man had entered without paying.
?As I peeked through the heavy curtains out into the audience [fellow Officer Johnny Brewer], at my shoulder, pointed out the suspect,? McDonald wrote. As the two officers confronted Oswald, the suspect said, ?Well, it?s all over now.?
As police tried to search and cuff him, Oswald pulled a pistol and tried to fire, but McDonald grabbed the weapon and moved to block the trigger with his hand.
?I could feel the hammer glide under my hand,? McDonald wrote. ?The returning hammer made a dull, audible snapping sound as the firing pin struck the flesh of my left hand, between the thumb and forefinger.
?Bracing myself, I stood rigid, waiting for the bullet to penetrate my chest.?
But the bullet did not fire.
McDonald jerked the weapon from Oswald, fell on top of him and finally subdued him....
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Well, there is a memoir, featuring "Officer" Johnny Brewer.:
Funny
Maybe somebody in media remembered this accolade from the award to Brewer by the DPD in 2011 and got it mixed up a bit.
http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2011/11/johnny-calvin-brewer-man-who-helped.html
?At 22 years of age, Mr. Brewer did what a veteran police officer would do. The difference was that he was not armed.?
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Were these 'several hands' on the same gun Oswald was seen brandishing up in the air?
You mean "seen" by the shoe salesman on the opposite end of a darkened theater and nobody else?
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?At 22 years of age, Mr. Brewer did what a veteran police officer would do. The difference was that he was not armed.?
A veteran police officer would have watched a funny looking man walk down a sidewalk and then tell a ticket seller to call the police?
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You mean "seen" by the shoe salesman on the opposite end of a darkened theater and nobody else?
The shoe salesman: '... I saw this gun come up and----in Oswald's hand, a gun up in the air.'
I can't vouch for the shoe salesman's eyesight. Too bad you weren't there...
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A veteran police officer would have watched a funny looking man walk down a sidewalk and then tell a ticket seller to call the police?
Poor Little Johnny, a shoe salesman got a police honor and he didn't. Boo-hoo.
:'(
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I can't vouch for the shoe salesman's eyesight.
Obviously.
Cherry-picker.
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Obviously.
Cherry-picker.
Dodger. Address the shoe salesman's statement I posted:
The shoe salesman: '... I saw this gun come up and----in Oswald's hand, a gun up in the air.'
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Dodger. Address the shoe salesman's statement I posted.
Sure, as soon as you address this:
Mr. BALL - Who pulled the pistol?
Mr. APPLIN - I guess it was Oswald, because--for one reason, that he had on a short sleeve shirt, and I seen a man's arm that was connected to the gun.
Cherry-picker.
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Sure, as soon as you address this:
Mr. BALL - Who pulled the pistol?
Mr. APPLIN - I guess it was Oswald, because--for one reason, that he had on a short sleeve shirt, and I seen a man's arm that was connected to the gun.
Cherry-picker.
BFD. A long sleeve can be pulled back in a ruckus.
Or perhaps you can confirm that an officer with short sleeves scuffled with the funny-looking guy.
And what did I cherrypick, exactly... you're the one belittling the 'snap'
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the officer was scuffling with him there, and----
Mr. BALL - Did you hear anything?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, about the only thing I heard was the snap of the gun and the officer saying, "Here he is."
Mr. BALL - You heard the snap of a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Are you familiar with guns?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, yes, sir; I am familiar with a few guns.
Mr. BALL - Pistols? Have you ever shot a pistol?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; I have shot my daddy's nine-shot .22 pistol.
Mr. BALL - Sounded like a hammer of a pistol failing?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Odd that you would quote the guy who confirmed it a snap
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Obviously that photo was not Oswald. But nice propaganda.
(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/oswald-wrist.gif)
So now you believe something Oswald says.
BS: There is no evidence that Oswald pulled a trigger. That's a pure fabrication based on a clicking noise heard during a struggle when several hands were on a gun.
Obviously that photo was not Oswald. But nice propaganda.
Oswald's wound was two inches.
(https://i.postimg.cc/v85pFj0q/2-inch-wrist-wound.jpg)
Not Oswald
And thanks for posting the Oswald Russian document because it states what was obvious to almost everyone that Oswald slashing his wrist was clearly a suicide attempt.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wjyCX4hX/ozzysuicideattempt.jpg)
And here's some more, why argue? Oswald was suicidal as seen by his written thoughts and his actions, the Russians put Oswald in with the other psychiatric patients because that is what you do with people who have a mental disorder.
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Oct. 22. Hospital. I am in a small room with about 12 others (sick persons), 2 orderlies, and a nurse. The room is very drab as well as the breakfast. Only after prolonged (2 hours) observation of the other patients do I realize I am in the Insanity ward. This realization disquiets me.
Oswald's Historic Diary!!! Giggle!
BS: There is no evidence that Oswald pulled a trigger. That's a pure fabrication based on a clicking noise heard during a struggle when several hands were on a gun.
Yawn!
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JohnM
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BFD. A long sleeve can be pulled back in a ruckus.
In a violent life and death struggle where the Dallas Police were fighting for their lives, of course Oswald shirt would be tugged and the arm that was holding the revolver would be seeing a lot of action.
Or perhaps you can confirm that an officer with short sleeves scuffled with the funny-looking guy.
That's a good point, I don't recall seeing any photos that day of any Policemen wearing a short sleeve shirt but I'm happy to be corrected?
Here's Oswald having his shirt pulled.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-znb7En_JwxM/UKJn9R--_nI/AAAAAAAAAH8/txcBWBQZ-3Q/s1600/Bob+carroll+with+revolver.jpg)
And here I only see a bit of what could be the brown shirt?
(http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/cms/binary/5751524.jpg?size=640x420)
JohnM
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In a violent life and death struggle where the Dallas Police were fighting for their lives, of course Oswald shirt would be tugged and the arm that was holding the revolver would be seeing a lot of action.
That's a good point, I don't recall seeing any photos that day of any Policemen wearing a short sleeve shirt. And here I only see a bit of what could be the brown shirt?
(http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/cms/binary/5751524.jpg?size=640x420)
JohnM
Here's the SWP with officer Bentley as he and the funny-looking guy dance cheek-to-cheek* in the bright sunshine (which in turn reveals the brown shirt, lightened somewhat in the sun)
* Maybe that's what the funny-looking guy meant when he kept exclaiming 'I'm not resisting!' ;)
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Here's the meet 'n greet with the notorious vulture Henry Wade as he and the funny-looking guy dance cheek-to-cheek* in the bright sunshine (which in turn reveals the brown shirt, lightened somewhat in the sun)
* Maybe that's what the funny-looking guy meant when he kept exclaiming 'I'm not resisting!' ;)
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That's not Henry Wade; that's Paul Bentley.
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Sure, as soon as you address this:
Mr. BALL - Who pulled the pistol?
Mr. APPLIN - I guess it was Oswald, because--for one reason, that he had on a short sleeve shirt, and I seen a man's arm that was connected to the gun.
Cherry-picker.
As Bill Chapman rightly pointed out, if none of the men present were in short sleeves, then your point is moot. Know of any who were in short sleeves?
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BFD. A long sleeve can be pulled back in a ruckus.
BFD. One guy on the other side of a darkened theater who sees something nobody else sees can be wrong.
Odd that you would quote the guy who confirmed it a snap
Is that supposed to prove that Oswald tried to shoot somebody?
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And thanks for posting the Oswald Russian document because it states what was obvious to almost everyone that Oswald slashing his wrist was clearly a suicide attempt.
Clearly. Suicide by light injury.
LOL
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As Bill Chapman rightly pointed out, if none of the men present were in short sleeves, then your point is moot. Know of any who were in short sleeves?
Is ?it could have been Oswald with his sleeve pulled back? supposed to constitute evidence that Oswald had a gun in his hand?
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That's not Henry Wade; that's Paul Bentley.
Thanks
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BFD. One guy on the other side of a darkened theater who sees something nobody else sees can be wrong.
Is that supposed to prove that Oswald tried to shoot somebody?
Where did I say it proves anything?
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Clearly. Suicide by light injury.
LOL
Yeah, clear as mud. Define what the doctor in his experience meant by a "light injury" as compared to say a "heavy injury"?
For instance Dr Iacoletti tell us in your own words what type of injury is seen in the following photos, light or heavy?
(https://i.postimg.cc/9MHGqN01/omen-2-elevator.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/d9/de/17/d9de1791c0010ff876566522805c137e--creepy-stuff-scary.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/v85pFj0q/2-inch-wrist-wound.jpg)
Not Oswald.
I reckon every injury has to be viewed in context from the many wounds that the doctor must have seen, the first photo above would be heavy, the next is not life threatening and is only medium and the slashed wrist in comparison is significantly smaller and would have be to viewed as a light wound, that if caught early enough only requires some stitches to repair, much like Oswald. Oswald was unconscious and had already lost enough blood to make a Woman Scream!
Btw let's not lose sight of the most important evidence, the Doctor never wavered from insisting that Oswald slashing his wrists was a suicide attempt and Oswald himself also admitted that it was a suicide attempt but Iacoletti for some reason thinks he knows better than Oswald's doctor and Oswald himself. Wow!
JohnM
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Is ?it could have been Oswald with his sleeve pulled back? supposed to constitute evidence that Oswald had a gun in his hand?
There is no one else John, Oswald was seen by eyewitnesses holding a revolver and Police Officers heard the snap of what had to be the revolver and McDonald explains why they heard the snap of the revolver. Again evidence from multiple sources all corroborate each other and lead to only one conclusion, this is how you solve a crime!
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JohnM
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Where did I say it proves anything?
Then why the hell did you bring it up?
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Oswald himself also admitted that it was a suicide attempt
Oswald ?admitted? that he didn?t shoot anybody too.
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There is no one else John, Oswald was seen by eyewitnesses holding a revolver
Name them.
and Police Officers heard the snap of what had to be the revolver
At the same time your ?witnesses? said Oswald was ?holding a revolver??
and McDonald explains why they heard the snap of the revolver. Again evidence from multiple sources all corroborate each other and lead to only one conclusion, this is how you solve a crime!
Actually, you ?solve? a crime by making a bunch of claims that are false or unsubstantiated.
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Oswald ?admitted? that he didn?t shoot anybody too.
Hilarious, so you want to pick and choose what Oswald says as to what you want to believe! You Kooks are unbelievable.
JohnM
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Name them.
Actually, you ?solve? a crime by making a bunch of claims that are false or unsubstantiated.
Name them.
For a start McDonald, Walker, Hutson, Brewer and don't forget that Oswald himself admitted that he was carrying his revolver, to any sane person it's a slam dunk but to you Kooks it's just another "unsolvable" situation.
Actually, you ?solve? a crime by making a bunch of claims that are false or unsubstantiated.
No, you're so wrong it's embarrassing, the bulk of the evidence only leads in one direction and all your petty isolated insignificant discrepancies doesn't change the fact that any piece of evidence is supported by all the other pieces of evidence. For the last 55 years the deluded "Oswald Defence Lawyers" have tried to chip away at the Mountain of Evidence and so far the conspiracy community hasn't produced a single piece of evidence that refutes the official story.
JohnM
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Is ?it could have been Oswald with his sleeve pulled back? supposed to constitute evidence that Oswald had a gun in his hand?
You dodged my question.
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There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence that proves without any doubt that Oswald was carrying a Revolver.
The eyewitnesses who positively identified Oswald and confirmed he was carrying a gun
Mr. BALL. Which way?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Towards Jefferson, right across that way.
Mr. DULLES. Did he have the pistol in his hand at this time?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had the gun when I saw him.
Mr. BELIN - All right. Now, you said you saw the man with the gun throw the shells?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Well, did you see the man empty his gun?
Mr. BENAVIDES - That is what he was doing. He took one out and threw it
Mr. BALL. And what did you see the man doing?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, first off she went to screaming before I had paid too much attention to him, and pointing at him, and he was, what I thought, was emptying the gun.
Mr. BALL. He had a gun in his hand?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything else as you heard her screaming?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we saw Oswald. We didn't know it was Oswald at the time. We saw that boy cut across the lawn emptying the shells out of the gun.
Mr. BALL. And how was he holding the gun?
Mr. CALLAWAY. We used to say in the Marine Corps in a raised pistol position.
Mr. BALL. What did you see him doing?
Mr. GUINYARD. He came through there running and knocking empty shells out of his pistol and he had it up just like this with his hand.
Mr. BALL. With which hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. With his right hand; just kicking them out.
Mr. BALL. He had it up?
Mr. B.M. PATTERSON, 4635 Hartford Street, Dallas, Texas, currently employed by Wyatt's Cafeteria, 2647 South Lancaster, Dallas, Texas, advised he was present at the used car lot of JOHNNY REYNOLDS' on the afternoon of November 22, 1963.
PATTERSON advised that at approximately 1:30 PM, he was standing on JONNY REYNOLDS' used car lot together with L.J. LEWIS and HAROLD RUSSELL when they heard shots coming from the vicinity of 10th and Patton Avenue, Dallas, Texas. A minute or so later they observed a white male approximately 30 years of age, running south on Patton Avenue, carrying what appeared to be a revolver in his hand and was obviously trying to reload same while running.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see this man's face that had the gun in his hand?
Mr.REYNOLDS. Very good.
HAROLD RUSSELL, employee, Johnny Reynolds Used Car Lot, 500 Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas, advised that on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, he was standing on the lot of Reynolds Used Cars together with L.J. LEWIS and PAT PATTERSON, at which time they heard shots come from the vicinity of Patton and Tenth Street, and a few seconds later they observed a young white man running south on Patton Avenue carrying a pistol or revolver which the individual was attempting to either reload or place in his belt line.
Mr. BELIN. Did he have anything in his hand?
Mr. SCOGGINS. He had a pistol in his left hand.
Jack Tatum
Next. this man with a gun in his hand ran toward the back of the squad car, but instead of running away he stepped into the street and shot the police officer who was lying in the street.
The Police Officers who were confronted with the murdering Oswald.
Mr. McDONALD - My left hand, at this point.
Mr. BALL - And had he withdrawn the pistol
Mr. McDONALD - He was drawing it as I put my hand.
Mr. BALL - From his waist?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. When you saw Oswald's hand by his belt, which hand did you see then?
Mr. WALKER. He had ahold of the handle of it.
Mr. BELIN. Handle of what?
Mr. WALKER. The revolver.
Mr. BELIN. Was there a revolver there?
Mr. WALKER. Yes; there was.
Mr. HUTSON. McDonald was at this time simultaneously trying to hold this person's right hand. Somehow this person moved his right hand to his waist, and I saw a revolver come out, and McDonald was holding on to it with his right hand, and this gun was waving up toward the back of the seat like this.
Oswald even admitted carrying his revolver.
Mr. BELIN. Do you recall any other conversation that you had with him, or not?
Mr. WALKER. No; he was just denying it, and he was saying that all he did was carry a gun, and the reason he fought back in the theatre is, he knew he wasn't supposed to be carrying a gun, and he had never been to jail.
Mr. BELIN. During the drive down from the Texas Theatre, to the police station, do you remember any conversation with Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. CARROLL. Some. He stated that he had not done anything that - he said, "Well, I was carrying a pistol, but that is all."
Mr. STERN - Was he asked whether he was carrying a pistol at the time he was in the Texas Theatre?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Yes; that was brought up. He admitted that he was carrying a pistol at the time he was arrested.
Mr. McCLOY. Was it a sharpshooter's or a marksman's? There are two different types, you know.
Mr. HOSTY. I believe it was a sharpshooter, sir. He then told Captain Fritz that he had been living at 1026 North Beckley, that is in Dallas, Tex., at 1026 North Beckley under the name O. H. Lee and not under his true name.
Oswald admitted that he was present in the Texas School Book Depository Building on the 22d of November 1963, where he had been employed since the 15th of October. Oswald told Captain Fritz that he was a laborer in this building and had access to the entire building. It had offices on the first and second floors with storage on third, fourth, fifth and sixth floors.
Oswald told Captain Fritz that he went to lunch at approximately noon on the 22d of November, ate his lunch in the lunchroom, and had gone and gotten a Coca Cola from the Coca Cola machine to have with his lunch. He claimed that he was in the lunchroom at the time President Kennedy passed the building.
He was asked why he left the School Book Depository that day, and he stated that in all the confusion he was certain that there would be no more work for the rest of the day, that everybody was too upset, there was too much confusion, so he just decided that there would be no work for the rest of the day and so he went home. He got on a bus and went home. He went to his residence on North Beckley, changed his clothes, and then went to a movie.
Captain Fritz asked him if he always carried a pistol when he went to the movie, and he said he carried it because he felt like it. He admitted that he did have a pistol on him at the time of his arrest, in this theatre, in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas. He further admitted that he had resisted arrest and had received a bump and a cut as a result of his resisting of arrest. He then denied that he had killed Officer Tippit or President Kennedy.
Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. FRITZ. He told me he went over and caught a bus and rode the bus to North Beckley near where he lived and went by home and changed clothes and got his pistol and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he said, "Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if I asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.
JohnM
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Hilarious, so you want to pick and choose what Oswald says as to what you want to believe! You Kooks are unbelievable.
Isn't that what you're doing?
Kook.
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For a start McDonald, Walker, Hutson, Brewer
BS:
Quote Walker or Hutson saying that they saw a gun in Oswald's hand.
and don't forget that Oswald himself admitted that he was carrying his revolver,
Oswald admitted that he purchased a revolver in Fort Worth. Picker-and-chooser.
No, you're so wrong it's embarrassing, the bulk of the evidence only leads in one direction and all your petty isolated insignificant discrepancies doesn't change the fact that any piece of evidence is supported by all the other pieces of evidence.
LOL. Yeah, like a wedding ring in a cup.
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You dodged my question.
I don't know if anyone had short sleeves or not. I do know that Oswald did not.
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There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence that proves without any doubt that Oswald was carrying a Revolver.
Your "mountain" is unfair and biased lineups by the Dallas PD involving mostly people who saw no crime committed.
Sorry.
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I don't know if anyone had short sleeves or not. I do know that Oswald did not.
T-shirt
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Quote Walker or Hutson saying that they saw a gun in Oswald's hand.
Okay
TESTIMONY OF THOMAS ALEXANDER HUTSON
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hutson.htm
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Mr. HUTSON. McDonald was at this time simultaneously trying to hold this person's right hand. Somehow this person* moved his right hand to his waist, and I saw a revolver come out, and McDonald was holding on to it with his right hand, and this gun was waving up toward the back of the seat like this.
Mr. BELIN. Now you had your left hand, or was it McDonald's left hand, on the suspect's right hand?
Mr. HUTSON. McDonald was using both of his hands to hold onto this person's right hand.
Mr. BELIN. Okay.
Mr. HUTSON. And the gun was waving around towards the back of the seat, up and down, and I heard a snapping sound at one time.
Mr. BELIN. What kind of snapping sound was it?
Mr. HUTSON. Sounded like the snap of a pistol, to me, when a pistol snaps.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know which way the pistol was pointing when you heard the snap?
Mr. HUTSON. Was pointing toward the back of the seat.
Mr. BELIN. It was pointing toward the back of the seat?
Mr. HUTSON. Yes; toward the screen in the front of the theatre, in that direction.
Mr. BELIN. Wait a minute, now. Toward the screen?
Mr. HUTSON. Right.
Mr. BELIN. Toward the front of the theatre, or the back of the theatre?
Mr. HUTSON. Toward the front of the theatre, we will call, facing the screen.
(...)
*the funny-looking guy that the shoe-store manager saw in his window near the tennis shoes
Oswald admitted that he purchased a revolver in Fort Worth. Picker-and-chooser.
>>> He said he bought the pistol in Fort Worth but wouldn't say where in Fort Worth. I guess you forgot that rather important point.
Feel free to post contrary information re a Dirty Harvey* Fort Worth pistol gettin' place**
*Smith, Wesson... and Lee'
**A hearty shout-out to the Josh Brolin character in No Country for Old Men
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Quote Walker or Hutson saying that they saw a gun in Oswald's hand.
Okay
Well, you successfully quoted Hutson. Unfortunately you didn't quote him saying anywhere that he saw a gun in Oswald's hand.
>>> He said he bought the pistol in Fort Worth but wouldn't say where in Fort Worth. I guess you forgot that rather important point.
What makes that an "important point"?
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Well, you successfully quoted Hutson. Unfortunately you didn't quote him saying anywhere that he saw a gun in Oswald's hand.
What makes that an "important point"?
> The person's hand went down to his belt and came up with McDonald's hands grasping it with both hands. Of course maybe it was love at first sight and McDonald was proposing.
> Of course you would think Oswald's not revealing where he bought the gun in Fort Worth unimportant.
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> The person's hand went down to his belt and came up with McDonald's hands grasping it with both hands. Of course maybe it was love at first sight and McDonald was proposing.
I'm still not sure how you got "gun in Oswald's hand" from that.
> Of course you would think Oswald's not revealing where he bought the gun in Fort Worth unimportant.
How do you know what Oswald didn't reveal?