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Title: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: John Mytton on January 24, 2018, 12:18:11 AM



According to a lot of CTs.

1. Oswald liked Kennedy.
2. Oswald was a US agent.
3. Oswald was a poor shot.
4. Oswald didn't own a rifle.
5. Oswald didn't own a revolver.

Knowing the above how can any CT explain why someone would choose Oswald as a Patsy?


Finding a Patsy who fit the above criteria wouldn't be hard to find.

1. Someone who went around hating Kennedy and in Dallas at the time finding a hater wouldn't be difficult.
2. Why pick someone who has an attachment to the US government, that's just asking for trouble.
3. And again, you pick someone who had an excellent military firearms record or was well known at rifle ranges because you are trying to sell what wasn't a particularly easy shot, after all it took Oswald 3 shots till he accomplished his goal.
4. Picking someone who had a regular relationship with a Gun Shop seems like a no brainer
5. See 4.



Conclusion.

The Oswald that the CT's portray would never in a million years and that's no exaggeration, be picked as a Patsy.

Which just leaves us with Oswald, Oswald who hated his country and defected to the enemy, Oswald who wrote in his diary that he attempted suicide, Oswald who wrote to his brother that he would kill any American who defended the American government ANY AMERICAN, Oswald who bashed his wife, Oswald who idolised Castro and must have resented Kennedy's potential intrusion, Oswald who tried to kill General Walker, Oswald the Cop Killer and Oswald the Assassinator.



JohnM





 
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: John Iacoletti on January 24, 2018, 08:04:43 PM
To boil this down, Mytton's argument is that Oswald would make a lousy assassin, therefore he must have done it.

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Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Paul McBrearty on January 24, 2018, 08:28:09 PM


According to a lot of CTs.

1. Oswald liked Kennedy.
2. Oswald was a US agent.
3. Oswald was a poor shot.
4. Oswald didn't own a rifle.
5. Oswald didn't own a revolver.

Knowing the above how can any CT explain why someone would choose Oswald as a Patsy?


Finding a Patsy who fit the above criteria wouldn't be hard to find.

1. Someone who went around hating Kennedy and in Dallas at the time finding a hater wouldn't be difficult.
2. Why pick someone who has an attachment to the US government, that's just asking for trouble.
3. And again, you pick someone who had an excellent military firearms record or was well known at rifle ranges because you are trying to sell what wasn't a particularly easy shot, after all it took Oswald 3 shots till he accomplished his goal.
4. Picking someone who had a regular relationship with a Gun Shop seems like a no brainer
5. See 4.



Conclusion.

The Oswald that the CT's portray would never in a million years and that's no exaggeration, be picked as a Patsy.

Which just leaves us with Oswald, Oswald who hated his country and defected to the enemy, Oswald who wrote in his diary that he attempted suicide, Oswald who wrote to his brother that he would kill any American who defended the American government ANY AMERICAN, Oswald who bashed his wife, Oswald who idolised Castro and must have resented Kennedy's potential intrusion, Oswald who tried to kill General Walker, Oswald the Cop Killer and Oswald the Assassinator.



JohnM

Good post John.

It's also worth mentioning that "Oswald the Patsy" statement originated from Oswald himself.

Reporter: "Did you shoot the President ?"

Oswald: "No they've taken me in because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. I'm just a Patsy".

Oswald the Patsy is just one myth in a long line of myths in the JFK Assassination. The reason Oswald gave to reporters for his arrest that he was arrested because he lived in the Soviet Union and because of that he was a Patsy is one big lie from Oswald, just one of many fabrications he articulated that weekend while in Police custody. We all know that Oswald was arrested in the Texas Theatre under the suspicion of murder and in doing so pulled his revolver on Officer Nick McDonald, not the actions of an innocent individual. Oswald claiming falsely the he was a Patsy because he lived in the Soviet Union is absurd. One has to wonder how many more former Soviet citizens were living at Dallas at the time, and they just by chance happened to arrest the one former Soviet citizen that all the evidence points towards for these murder's. His Patsy claim is even more absurd because he had all weekend to tell the authorities who had supposedly set him up and why, if he was as innocent as he claimed he was.
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 24, 2018, 11:22:42 PM
Good post John.

It's also worth mentioning that "Oswald the Patsy" statement originated from Oswald himself.

Reporter: "Did you shoot the President ?"

Oswald: "No they've taken me in because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. I'm just a Patsy".

Oswald the Patsy is just one myth in a long line of myths in the JFK Assassination. The reason Oswald gave to reporters for his arrest that he was arrested because he lived in the Soviet Union and because of that he was a Patsy is one big lie from Oswald, just one of many fabrications he articulated that weekend while in Police custody. We all know that Oswald was arrested in the Texas Theatre under the suspicion of murder and in doing so pulled his revolver on Officer Nick McDonald, not the actions of an innocent individual. Oswald claiming falsely the he was a Patsy because he lived in the Soviet Union is absurd. One has to wonder how many more former Soviet citizens were living at Dallas at the time, and they just by chance happened to arrest the one former Soviet citizen that all the evidence points towards for these murder's. His Patsy claim is even more absurd because he had all weekend to tell the authorities who had supposedly set him up and why, if he was as innocent as he claimed he was.

Oswald: "-- they've taken me in because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. I'm just a Patsy". ]

I've long thought that Lee was sneakily reminding the agency that he had put his neck in the noose and performed faithfully on his mission to the USSR  and he wanted them to know that he was being railroaded, and he was requesting that they send someone to his get the bastroids off his back.


Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 24, 2018, 11:40:18 PM
To boil this down, Mytton's argument is that Oswald would make a lousy assassin, therefore he must have done it.

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Yes sir... this Myton post is one of the most absurd posts ever submitted in this forum.....

Myyton says that Lee Oswald  would have been an abysmal choice as an assassin.....And that's the reason the conspirators chose him to be the lone nut ( who was not a nut)  assassin (who was not the assassin)

Hee, Hee. Hee..... :-\
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: John Mytton on January 25, 2018, 01:13:31 AM
To boil this down, Mytton's argument is that Oswald would make a lousy assassin, therefore he must have done it.

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Since you've decided to participate ,the thread topic is, Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?, can you give a reasonable answer or do you still believe that "all the evidence leads to Oswald"?



JohnM
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: John Mytton on January 25, 2018, 01:24:19 AM

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Yes sir... this Myton post is one of the most absurd posts ever submitted in this forum.....

Myyton says that Lee Oswald  would have been an abysmal choice as an assassin.....And that's the reason the conspirators chose him to be the lone nut ( who was not a nut)  assassin (who was not the assassin)

Hee, Hee. Hee..... :-\





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Myyton says that Lee Oswald  would have been an abysmal choice as an assassin....

Back in October 1963, would you choose Oswald to be a pretend assassin and if so tell us what attributes that Oswald had that impressed you?

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Myyton says that Lee Oswald  would have been an abysmal choice as an assassin.....And that's the reason the conspirators chose him to be the lone nut ( who was not a nut)  assassin (who was not the assassin)

Exactly Walt, choosing Oswald is absurd and that's why nobody chose him, Oswald was just a Lone Nut who took three shots till he finally hit his target.



JohnM
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Gary Craig on January 25, 2018, 01:29:21 AM
To boil this down, Mytton's argument is that Oswald would make a lousy assassin, therefore he must have done it.

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And no matter how may times you point it out he'll keep pounding the square peg into the round hole.

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Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: John Mytton on January 25, 2018, 01:38:47 AM
And no matter how may times you point it out he'll keep pounding the square peg into the round hole.

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Why can none of you so called knowledgeable JFK experts answer the question?
Why would you choose Oswald, the guy who you all paint as a saint, why the heck choose Oswald to be the fall guy for the most important assassination in History?, it makes no sense from any angle.

Or is the simple answer which answers all the evidence, is that Oswald acted on his lonesome, Case Closed.



JohnM
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Ray Mitcham on January 25, 2018, 01:08:59 PM


Why can none of you so called knowledgeable JFK experts answer the question?
Why would you choose Oswald, the guy who you all paint as a saint,

Once again Mytton exaggerates. "the guy you all paint as a saint".

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... why the heck choose Oswald to be the fall guy for the most important assassination in History?, it makes no sense from any angle.
They chose him because he was disposable.
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Or is the simple answer which answers all the evidence, is that Oswald acted on his lonesome, Case Closed.




JohnM

Only in your mind John. Only in your mind.



Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 25, 2018, 01:24:23 PM




Back in October 1963, would you choose Oswald to be a pretend assassin and if so tell us what attributes that Oswald had that impressed you?

Exactly Walt, choosing Oswald is absurd and that's why nobody chose him, Oswald was just a Lone Nut who took three shots till he finally hit his target.



JohnM

Oswald was just a Lone Nut

That's exactly what the conspirators believed ...... They knew that Lee had participated in some bizarre actions that most folks would shy away from.... Thus they thought they were dealing with the stereotypical  loon who always gets set up to take the blame for the crime.  It was only afterward that they realized that they had set up  a US intelligence agent.

Usually the "Nut" preens and announces that he has saved the world from an evil being who was destroying the world.

Lee Oswald announced to the world...." I do request that SOMEONE come to my legal defense".... He didn't fit the  "lone Nut" mold very well did he Mr Myyton?
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: John Iacoletti on January 25, 2018, 05:15:52 PM
Since you've decided to participate ,the thread topic is, Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?, can you give a reasonable answer

Who in their right mind gives a damn?  This is just yet another rhetorical Mytton irrelevancy to distract from the facts of the case.
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: John Iacoletti on January 25, 2018, 05:17:31 PM
Exactly Walt, choosing Oswald is absurd and that's why nobody chose him, Oswald was just a Lone Nut who took three shots till he finally hit his target.

Non-sequitur of the year award.  As I said, your argument amounts to "Oswald would make a lousy assassin, therefore he must have done it".

Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Michael Carney on May 02, 2020, 06:27:16 PM
He was a patsy because the Marcello chose him to be one. Oswald worked for Marcello and knew you didn’t cross a man like Carlos Marcello, if you did you are dead. They used an old Sicilian practice where they frame someone to be the killer and then immediately they kill the patsy to distance themselves from the law. Marcello probably told Oswald to leave the TSBD at 12:30 and go to the movie theater passing by officer Tippit. I am guessing Tippit was supposed to kill Oswald but Oswald got the drop on him. Where Oswald got the gun I don’t know, maybe he had it with him at the TSBD??
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Bill Chapman on May 02, 2020, 08:00:54 PM
He was a patsy because the Marcello chose him to be one. Oswald worked for Marcello and knew you didn’t cross a man like Carlos Marcello, if you did you are dead. They used an old Sicilian practice where they frame someone to be the killer and then immediately they kill the patsy to distance themselves from the law. Marcello probably told Oswald to leave the TSBD at 12:30 and go to the movie theater passing by officer Tippit. I am guessing Tippit was supposed to kill Oswald but Oswald got the drop on him. Where Oswald got the gun I don’t know, maybe he had it with him at the TSBD??

Keep guessing
It'll get you exactly nowhere
It's too soon
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Michael Carney on May 02, 2020, 10:15:35 PM
I am not guessing about Oswald working for or an associate of, Carlos Marcello. Oswald has been sighted in the company of Marcello several times in both a restaurant owned by Marcello and at Marcello’s ranch.
Oswald admitted he was a patsy, we all saw it on television.
The Sicilian custom I read about in a mob book I read so I am assuming that’s true and not a guess.
Tippit and Oswald confrontation who knows but I wasn’t the first to suggest it, I read that in one of the many books I have read about the assassination.
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Bill Chapman on May 02, 2020, 11:24:33 PM
I am not guessing about Oswald working for or an associate of, Carlos Marcello. Oswald has been sighted in the company of Marcello several times in both a restaurant owned by Marcello and at Marcello’s ranch.
Oswald admitted he was a patsy, we all saw it on television.
The Sicilian custom I read about in a mob book I read so I am assuming that’s true and not a guess.
Tippit and Oswald confrontation who knows but I wasn’t the first to suggest it, I read that in one of the many books I have read about the assassination.

You state those things as if they were the truth
Can't wait for your presser
Take a ticket and wait another 56 years
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Izraul Hidashi on May 03, 2020, 02:11:05 AM
I think he may have been possibly chosen because he fouled up the Chicago hit on Kennedy. Or because of the incident with Carlos Bringuier in New Orleans. There may have been other patsies chosen as well, in case the Oswald set up didn't work. Either way, Oswald was framed without a doubt. You'd have to be pretty dense and gullible not to see that. Not to mention mentally blind.
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Nicholas Turner on May 03, 2020, 07:33:45 AM
I am not guessing about Oswald working for or an associate of, Carlos Marcello. Oswald has been sighted in the company of Marcello several times in both a restaurant owned by Marcello and at Marcello’s ranch.
Oswald admitted[b/] he was a patsy, we all saw it on television.
The Sicilian custom I read about in a mob book I read so I am assuming that’s true and not a guess.
Tippit and Oswald confrontation who knows but I wasn’t the first to suggest it, I read that in one of the many books I have read about the assassination.

Claimed he was a pasty would be more accurate I think.
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Nicholas Turner on May 03, 2020, 07:38:22 AM
I think he may have been possibly chosen because he fouled up the Chicago hit on Kennedy. Or because of the incident with Carlos Bringuier in New Orleans. There may have been other patsies chosen as well, in case the Oswald set up didn't work. Either way, Oswald was framed without a doubt. You'd have to be pretty dense and gullible not to see that. Not to mention mentally blind.

'May', 'possibly', 'or', 'may' .....  but then 'without a doubt'.

There certainly is doubt and just because you don't think there is doesn't make others dense, gullible or mentally blind (whatever that means). Those words could be equally used towards people who believe CTs but it doesn't really get us anywhere to exchange such barbs.
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Walt Cakebread on May 03, 2020, 06:49:15 PM
He was a patsy because the Marcello chose him to be one. Oswald worked for Marcello and knew you didn’t cross a man like Carlos Marcello, if you did you are dead. They used an old Sicilian practice where they frame someone to be the killer and then immediately they kill the patsy to distance themselves from the law. Marcello probably told Oswald to leave the TSBD at 12:30 and go to the movie theater passing by officer Tippit. I am guessing Tippit was supposed to kill Oswald but Oswald got the drop on him. Where Oswald got the gun I don’t know, maybe he had it with him at the TSBD??

Are you aware that the revolver that was used to kill Tippit was NOT a Smith and Wesson?     Virtually all of the witnesses who saw the killer walking away with the gun said that he extracted ONE SPENT SHELL AT A TIME...... A Smith & Wesson ejects all of the spent shells at once.....They are not removed one at a time.
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Jerry Freeman on May 03, 2020, 07:42:28 PM
Good post John.
Yeah great post John [not]...just the kind of gullible crap that the rich and powerful like to have people to believe.
This video spells it out in a nutshell-----DPD...FBI...LBJ

Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Joe Mannix on May 03, 2020, 11:38:15 PM
He was a perfect patsy. Former defector to USSR. Supposedly sought visa to Cuba. Had he been killed, the "story" would've been that he was a Soviet or Cuban agent named Alek Hidell who had assumed the identity of a former marine from Louisiana and killed JFK.
Title: Re: Who in their right mind would choose Oswald as a Patsy?
Post by: Michael Carney on May 07, 2020, 02:55:39 AM
Are you aware that the revolver that was used to kill Tippit was NOT a Smith and Wesson?     Virtually all of the witnesses who saw the killer walking away with the gun said that he extracted ONE SPENT SHELL AT A TIME...... A Smith & Wesson ejects all of the spent shells at once.....They are not removed one at a time.

I didn't mention what kind of gun it was but I did read that it looks like Tippit's killer extracted one shell at a time