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Title: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 03, 2018, 03:58:56 PM
  I recently received a gift of a new booklet now on the news stands entitled Who Killed Kennedy?...  The booklet is published by that well known disinformationalist and misleading information organization,  The History Channel and Time Inc books.

The friend who gave me the new booklet thought they were presenting me with something that I'd enjoy.  It's the thought that counts,... but I wish that person had not wasted the money ( $14.00) spent for the purchase.

The point of this post is to point out the fact that the most outrageous crime in American history, and the cover up that followed, is still being exploited for profit.   The title ("Who Killed Kennedy  The declassified documents that expose the facts" ) grabs the attention of the viewer....

 Who Killed Kennedy? "The declassified documents that expose the facts"    The author and publisher knows that millions of Americans believe that we have not received the truthful answer from our government, after spending many billions of our tax dollars in the sham investigations.  Obviously, Time Inc. Books expects to reap a profit from the sale of this book....and no doubt they will profit, and at the same time continue to propagate and spread misinformation.  I have leafed through the booklet and find it  primarily a rehash of the information and disinformation  that's been dumped on us for over 55 years. 

Bottom line... The LNer's often point to the CT authors as an illegitimate "Cottage Industry" who are interested only in the profit from the sale of  "kook" books.   This new booklet by Time Inc Books should be on every LNers bookshelf, right beside The Warren Report. It most certainly is not a CT book.     
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Jerry Freeman on December 03, 2018, 06:04:43 PM
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  .... after spending many billions of our tax dollars in the sham investigations. 
Well...wasting millions at least.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 03, 2018, 07:54:31 PM
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Well...wasting millions at least.

Whatever the amount that was spent .....IMO it was an outrageous misuse of our tax dollars, which were spent to subvert justice by collecting the evidence and then destroying that evidence by outright creation of false evidence ( as in the false "crime scene" photos that were created by the DPD ), or the deliberate twisting of the statements of the eyewitnesses ( as they did to Howard Brennan's statements when he very clearly said that the man that he saw aiming a HUNTING rifle from a TSBD window was DRESSED IN LIGHT COLORED KHAKI clothing, and Lee Oswald didn't even own any light colored khaki clothing.... 
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Jerry Organ on December 03, 2018, 08:30:28 PM
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/HZkAAOSwF~hb3esN/s-l1600.jpg)

Not saying this particular magazine does, but sometimes the "Special" magazines have some good-resolution photographs and film grabs.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 04, 2018, 01:02:20 AM
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(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/HZkAAOSwF~hb3esN/s-l1600.jpg)

Not saying this particular magazine does, but sometimes the "Special" magazines have some good-resolution photographs and film grabs.

"The declassified documents that expose the facts"

There's nothing in the booklet that is new or revealing.   It's an LNer support for the big lie dumped on us by LBJ's "Special Select Blue Ribbon Committee" and exploitation, for profit, of the murder of JFK. 

Thank you for posting the photo of the booklet.... Notice the title "Who Killed Kennedy"  And I ask... Does that title not suggest that they are presenting the answer to the question on millions of American lips?   There are millions of Americans that do not believe the official government proffered tale that says that the arch villain Lee Harrrrrvey Osssswald ( Booo Hisss )
all alone , and for no reason murdered President Kennedy.  The vast majority of those millions of Americans are looking for the easy ( and comfortable) answer, and the fact that most Americans are too apathetic to use their God given brain enables the Lners to continue to peddle the BS. 
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 04, 2018, 01:47:01 AM
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"The declassified documents that expose the facts"

There's nothing in the booklet that is new or revealing.   It's an LNer support for the big lie dumped on us by LBJ's "Special Select Blue Ribbon Committee" and exploitation, for profit, of the murder of JFK. 

Thank you for posting the photo of the booklet.... Notice the title "Who Killed Kennedy"  And I ask... Does that title not suggest that they are presenting the answer to the question on millions of American lips?   There are millions of Americans that do not believe the official government proffered tale that says that the arch villain Lee Harrrrrvey Osssswald ( Booo Hisss )
all alone , and for no reason murdered President Kennedy.  The vast majority of those millions of Americans are looking for the easy ( and comfortable) answer, and the fact that most Americans are too apathetic to use their God given brain enables the Lners to continue to peddle the BS.

Tell us why JFK-assassination conspiracy believers have dropped from 81% to 61% since 2003
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Jerry Freeman on December 04, 2018, 04:26:19 AM
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Tell us why JFK-assassination conspiracy believers have dropped from 81% to 61% since 2003
On this forum? It figures.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 04, 2018, 07:38:41 AM
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On this forum? It figures.

No, nation-wide as per Gallop polling since day one.

As for this forum, I doubt few if any have been persuaded to cross the aisle.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Alan Hardaker on December 04, 2018, 11:25:45 AM
Isn't it the dream of many on here, part time researchers, conspiracy theorists, lone nut theory, to actually write a book extolling their pet theories. Whilst not wanting to insult Mr.Cakebread but doesn't he fall within this category.

The JFK assassination industry has many facets, many income streams for many. Many of them are a work of fiction or twisting and distorting the available data to fit their agenda. Nothing is sacred as regards making a fast buck.

Complaining about The H Channel making a profit sounds a little disingenuous. Publications keep the kettle boiling. If the kettle goes silent have to find something else to carp about.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 04, 2018, 04:07:56 PM
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Isn't it the dream of many on here, part time researchers, conspiracy theorists, lone nut theory, to actually write a book extolling their pet theories. Whilst not wanting to insult Mr.Cakebread but doesn't he fall within this category.

The JFK assassination industry has many facets, many income streams for many. Many of them are a work of fiction or twisting and distorting the available data to fit their agenda. Nothing is sacred as regards making a fast buck.

Complaining about The H Channel making a profit sounds a little disingenuous. Publications keep the kettle boiling. If the kettle goes silent have to find something else to carp about.

Publications keep the kettle boiling.

Yes ...you've merely restated the idea....  Keep the pot boiling and keep adding to the misinformation and disinformation and confusion. Make the simple case as mysterious and seemingly unfathomable as possible....

Isn't it the dream of many on here, part time researchers, conspiracy theorists, lone nut theory, to actually write a book extolling their pet theories.

Yes again I agree....  But many LNer's accuse the CT authors of writing books only for the profit from the sale of the book's,
but as I attempted to point out ...Many LNers have authored books on the murder of JFK,solely for the monetary gains.

   
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 04, 2018, 05:22:29 PM
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(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/HZkAAOSwF~hb3esN/s-l1600.jpg)

Not saying this particular magazine does, but sometimes the "Special" magazines have some good-resolution photographs and film grabs.

Jerry, Since you have posted the image of the booklet's cover, I wonder if you have the ability to post a page from the booklet?  There is a letter from J E Hoover to Lee Rankin ( Warren Commission Counsel) published on page 62 of the booklet, that I would like to comment on.    Can you post that letter?

Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Jerry Organ on December 04, 2018, 09:06:20 PM
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Jerry, Since you have posted the image of the booklet's cover, I wonder if you have the ability to post a page from the booklet?  There is a letter from J E Hoover to Lee Rankin ( Warren Commission Counsel) published on page 82 of the booklet, that I would like to comment on.    Can you post that letter?
Sorry, Walt. I don't own a copy. My scanner is from Windows XP or something (no generic driver will run it in Windows 10). Can't be bothered to buy a new one for the amount of scanning I do now. Last thing I scanned was at the library for 15? a copy.

Maybe do a search with reference nos. in the letter printed in the magazine, and find a copy on the Internet to post.

I looked though a "Special" magazine a few days ago and saw a Backyard Photo with all the rifle detail. It looked something like this:

(https://cdn.britannica.com/96/132696-004-1B6A5A8A.jpg)

I think it's tweaking the contrast.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 05, 2018, 12:58:41 AM
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Sorry, Walt. I don't own a copy. My scanner is from Windows XP or something (no generic driver will run it in Windows 10). Can't be bothered to buy a new one for the amount of scanning I do now. Last thing I scanned was at the library for 15? a copy.

Maybe do a search with reference nos. in the letter printed in the magazine, and find a copy on the Internet to post.

I looked though a "Special" magazine a few days ago and saw a Backyard Photo with all the rifle detail. It looked something like this:

(https://cdn.britannica.com/96/132696-004-1B6A5A8A.jpg)

I think it's tweaking the contrast.

Thanks, I'll try to figger out a way to post the Hoover letter that is printed on page 82 of the booklet....

And this photo is GREAT for showing that the "sling" that tricks the viewer into thinking that the "sling" is on the rifle is something that was added to the photo by the artist  who altered the photo ( I believe the artist was Lee Oswald)
 
(https://cdn.britannica.com/96/132696-004-1B6A5A8A.jpg)
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 05, 2018, 02:15:51 AM
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Sorry, Walt. I don't own a copy. My scanner is from Windows XP or something (no generic driver will run it in Windows 10). Can't be bothered to buy a new one for the amount of scanning I do now. Last thing I scanned was at the library for 15? a copy.

Maybe do a search with reference nos. in the letter printed in the magazine, and find a copy on the Internet to post.

I looked though a "Special" magazine a few days ago and saw a Backyard Photo with all the rifle detail. It looked something like this:

(https://cdn.britannica.com/96/132696-004-1B6A5A8A.jpg)

I think it's tweaking the contrast.


Jerry I went to the library and they scanned page 82 and sent the scan to my computer ....How do I post the scan?
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 05, 2018, 02:48:49 AM
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Sorry, Walt. I don't own a copy. My scanner is from Windows XP or something (no generic driver will run it in Windows 10). Can't be bothered to buy a new one for the amount of scanning I do now. Last thing I scanned was at the library for 15? a copy.

Maybe do a search with reference nos. in the letter printed in the magazine, and find a copy on the Internet to post.

I looked though a "Special" magazine a few days ago and saw a Backyard Photo with all the rifle detail. It looked something like this:

(https://cdn.britannica.com/96/132696-004-1B6A5A8A.jpg)

I think it's tweaking the contrast.

https://zmail04-mta.peak.org/service/home/~/?auth=co&loc=en_US&id=5745&part=2
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 05, 2018, 03:04:30 AM
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https://zmail04-mta.peak.org/service/home/~/?auth=co&loc=en_US&id=5745&part=2

Notice that Hoover is denying that Lee was an FBI informant, whose PCI number was 179.  And was paid $200 per month.

This letter is a direct reply to the emergency,  and secret, meeting of the Warren Commission after they had summoned Henry Wade to Washington so they could question him about how he knew that Lee Oswald was a PCI for the FBI.

After questioning Wade they realized that they were in a real bind....   Because they held in their hands information that implicated J. Edgar Hoover as a conspirator, but they knew that they would risk the destruction of the United States if they proceeded, and handed that information to the public.  They also understood that Hoover would never produce any information to verify Wades story.   Thus they decided to play ball by Hoover's rules....
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Jerry Freeman on December 05, 2018, 05:21:08 AM
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I think it's tweaking the contrast.
Well, just wait until John Mytton gets a hold of everything...he will tweak the snot out of it ;)

 
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Mark Ulrik on December 05, 2018, 03:38:35 PM
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Sorry, Walt. I don't own a copy. My scanner is from Windows XP or something (no generic driver will run it in Windows 10). Can't be bothered to buy a new one for the amount of scanning I do now. Last thing I scanned was at the library for 15? a copy.

Maybe do a search with reference nos. in the letter printed in the magazine, and find a copy on the Internet to post.

I looked though a "Special" magazine a few days ago and saw a Backyard Photo with all the rifle detail. It looked something like this:

(https://cdn.britannica.com/96/132696-004-1B6A5A8A.jpg)

I think it's tweaking the contrast.

It's in Getty's LIFE image collection:

https://www.gettyimages.dk/detail/news-photo/lee-harvey-oswald-standing-oustide-his-home-and-holding-news-photo/50398678 (https://www.gettyimages.dk/detail/news-photo/lee-harvey-oswald-standing-oustide-his-home-and-holding-news-photo/50398678)
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Jerry Freeman on December 05, 2018, 04:16:49 PM
 Why is his head and feet chopped of?
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 05, 2018, 11:32:12 PM
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Thanks, I'll try to figger out a way to post the Hoover letter that is printed on page 82 of the booklet....

And this photo is GREAT for showing that the "sling" that tricks the viewer into thinking that the "sling" is on the rifle is something that was added to the photo by the artist  who altered the photo ( I believe the artist was Lee Oswald)
 
(https://cdn.britannica.com/96/132696-004-1B6A5A8A.jpg)

The "sling" shows that an "artist" worked on the photo....  Surely, everybody can see that there is no sling attached to the rifle...
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Jerry Organ on December 06, 2018, 02:03:56 AM
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Jerry I went to the library and they scanned page 82 and sent the scan to my computer ....How do I post the scan?
The old default image format for scanners was a TIF file. But anyone using the scanner can change the output format. I just reserve (through their website) the library's one computer station that has a scanner attached. I get a one-hour slot (usually for the next day). I scan stuff myself and save it onto a flash drive or to a personal account on an image-hosting service or cloud drive. Be sure to check that you don't leave things on the scanner bed before you leave.

If it's a TIF file (ie: ends in .tif or .tiff), you should convert it to a PNG or JPG file, which I believe is more acceptable to the Forum (along with the GIF format). Use an online graphics program that works in your browser ( ie Pixlr at link (https://pixlr.com/editor/) ). Upload the image and then do a "Save As" (in PNG or JPG) to your "Downloads" folder or some place you can find it later.

Then upload the new file to a free online image-hosting service. You will have to set up an account (that the FBI and CIA will monitor, alas) with the hosting service. They (the hosters, not the feds) will assign a link to that image that you can then post to the Forum To make the link appear as a photo, you have to paste the link after clicking onto the Forum's tiny picture frame ("Mona Lisa") icon among the icons that are above the "Reply" window.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 06, 2018, 01:51:20 PM
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The old default image format for scanners was a TIF file. But anyone using the scanner can change the output format. I just reserve (through their website) the library's one computer station that has a scanner attached. I get a one-hour slot (usually for the next day). I scan stuff myself and save it onto a flash drive or to a personal account on an image-hosting service or cloud drive. Be sure to check that you don't leave things on the scanner bed before you leave.

If it's a TIF file (ie: ends in .tif or .tiff), you should convert it to a PNG or JPG file, which I believe is more acceptable to the Forum (along with the GIF format). Use an online graphics program that works in your browser ( ie Pixlr at link (https://pixlr.com/editor/) ). Upload the image and then do a "Save As" (in PNG or JPG) to your "Downloads" folder or some place you can find it later.
Then upload the new file to a free online image-hosting service. You will have to set up an account (that the FBI and CIA will monitor, alas) with the hosting service. They (the hosters, not the feds) will assign a link to that image that you can then post to the Forum To make the link appear as a photo, you have to paste the link after clicking onto the Forum's tiny picture frame ("Mona Lisa") icon among the icons that are above the "Reply" window.


Thanks, Jerry... I fumbled around and managed to post a link to the page in the booklet that displays the Letter From J. Edna Hoover to Lee Rankin....  The letter in which Hoover is lying his eyes out in denying that Lee Oswald was a PCI for the FBI.

https://zmail04-mta.peak.org/service/home/~/?auth=co&loc=en_US&id=5745&part=2
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 06, 2018, 02:15:44 PM
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The "sling" shows that an "artist" worked on the photo....  Surely, everybody can see that there is no sling attached to the rifle...

Every photo presented of the particular pose shows a sling to a lesser or greater extent, depending on the quality of each. Jerry has presented a high quality version.

Google it and learn something

You lot are so desparate you'll bleat anything just to protect your batshit crazy pet theories
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 06, 2018, 02:28:10 PM
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Every photo presented of the particular pose shows a sling to a lesser or greater extent, depending on the quality of each. Jerry has presented a high quality version.

Google it and learn something

You lot are so desparate you'll bleat anything just to protect your batshit crazy pet theories

My Dear Dumb ass...  The point is:....   There is no sling on the rifle in the photo ( CE 133A)  What appears as a "sling" in the photo is a ludicrous artist's idea of a sling that was added to the photo.   The version of the photo that Jerry presented makes this FACT very obvious.

The point is.... FBI photo experts examined the photo... They most certainly knew that what appeared to be a sling was added to the photo and is definitely an alteration of the photo...

Have you ever seen any official acknowledgement that the photo has been altered?
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 06, 2018, 02:59:34 PM
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My Dear Dumb ass...  The point is:....   There is no sling on the rifle in the photo ( CE 133A)  What appears as a "sling" in the photo is a ludicrous artist's idea of a sling that was added to the photo.   The version of the photo that Jerry presented makes this FACT very obvious.

The point is.... FBI photo experts examined the photo... They most certainly knew that what appeared to be a sling was added to the photo and is definitely an alteration of the photo...

Have you ever seen any official acknowledgement that the photo has been altered?

LOL

Tell us specifically what about the strap leads you to believe it was faked?

Time for your nap
Now eat your cookie an drink your milk.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 06, 2018, 03:03:59 PM
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My Dear Dumb ass...  The point is:....   There is no sling on the rifle in the photo ( CE 133A)  What appears as a "sling" in the photo is a ludicrous artist's idea of a sling that was added to the photo.   The version of the photo that Jerry presented makes this FACT very obvious.

The point is.... FBI photo experts examined the photo... They most certainly knew that what appeared to be a sling was added to the photo and is definitely an alteration of the photo...

Have you ever seen any official acknowledgement that the photo has been altered?

LOL

Tell us specifically what about the strap leads you to believe it was faked.

Time for your nap
Now eat your cookie and drink your milk.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Jerry Organ on December 06, 2018, 05:00:40 PM
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My Dear Dumb ass...  The point is:....   There is no sling on the rifle in the photo ( CE 133A)  What appears as a "sling" in the photo is a ludicrous artist's idea of a sling that was added to the photo.   The version of the photo that Jerry presented makes this FACT very obvious.
I believe part of the sling got between Oswald's left hand and the rifle in CE-133A. Another portion of the sling is seen by the bolt action.

(https://images.newrepublic.com/369f68525e4dbfa137509ac3aa3b272ea18fc1c7.jpeg?w=1109&h=577&crop=faces&fit=crop&fm=jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/shotonelmclassicsiteview/backyard/ce133b-2008x2104.jpg)  (https://sites.google.com/site/shotonelmclassicsiteview/backyard/ce133c-crop-1200x800.jpg)
CE-133B
 
CE-133C

Other photos (above) show the full sling and its attachment points on the left side of the rifle, where both mounts were. CE-133A doesn't show the left side of the rifle. But there are in CE-133A what could be rope strands in the area of a metal band that went around the rifle's forestock. This band also supported a vertical metal loop that acted as the forward sling mount. Thus the forward end of the sling in CE-133A was tied to the sling mount but we can only see some loose rope strands that are beyond the knot.

(https://sites.google.com/site/jfkforum/carcano/backyardphoto/slingmount.jpg)

Both sling mounts are on the left side of the rifle, as seen in this photo (below) of a Carcano which has a replica of the improvised leather sling that was found on the rifle in the Depository. This sling--the one in evidence--differs from the ad hoc rudimentary sling seen in the Backyard Photos.

(https://www.milsurps.com/attachment.php?s=ea0f1ff9c33e0bd79cdb16524b52f994&attachmentid=46345&d=1380950590)
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 06, 2018, 06:25:06 PM
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I believe part of the sling got between Oswald's left hand and the rifle in CE-133A. Another portion of the sling is seen by the bolt action.

(https://images.newrepublic.com/369f68525e4dbfa137509ac3aa3b272ea18fc1c7.jpeg?w=1109&h=577&crop=faces&fit=crop&fm=jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/shotonelmclassicsiteview/backyard/ce133b-2008x2104.jpg)  (https://sites.google.com/site/shotonelmclassicsiteview/backyard/ce133c-crop-1200x800.jpg)
CE-133B
 
CE-133C

Other photos (above) show the full sling and its attachment points on the left side of the rifle, where both mounts were. CE-133A doesn't show the left side of the rifle. But there are in CE-133A what could be rope strands in the area of a metal band that went around the rifle's forestock. This band also supported a vertical metal loop that acted as the forward sling mount. Thus the forward end of the sling in CE-133A was tied to the sling mount but we can only see some loose rope strands that are beyond the knot.

(https://sites.google.com/site/jfkforum/carcano/backyardphoto/slingmount.jpg)

Both sling mounts are on the left side of the rifle, as seen in this photo (below) of a Carcano which has a replica of the improvised leather sling that was found on the rifle in the Depository. This sling--the one in evidence--differs from the ad hoc rudimentary sling seen in the Backyard Photos.



Jerry, let's not attempt to confuse this very simple statement ( the photo that you presented)

(https://cdn.britannica.com/96/132696-004-1B6A5A8A.jpg)

This photo clearly shows that what an ignorant fool might believe is a sling , is in reality merely a addition to the photo to fool a sucker into believing that the rifle has a sling attached to it.   As you can see in the photo of the replica carcano the rear sling loop is only a couple inches from the butt plate of the rifle ....and the imaginary sling in the BY photo CE 133A would have to be attached about ten inches forward of the butt plate......

(https://www.milsurps.com/attachment.php?s=ea0f1ff9c33e0bd79cdb16524b52f994&attachmentid=46345&d=1380950590)
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Jerry Organ on December 06, 2018, 10:24:09 PM
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Jerry, let's not attempt to confuse this very simple statement ( the photo that you presented)

This photo clearly shows that what an ignorant fool might believe is a sling , is in reality merely a addition to the photo to fool a sucker into believing that the rifle has a sling attached to it.   As you can see in the photo of the replica carcano the rear sling loop is only a couple inches from the butt plate of the rifle ....and the imaginary sling in the BY photo CE 133A would have to be attached about ten inches forward of the butt plate......

(https://sites.google.com/site/shotonelmclassicsiteview/backyard/ce133c-crop-1200x800.jpg)

We can see (because of the different angle in other photos) that the sling in 133A did go to tie at the area of the rear sling mount. Probably the sling was pinned between Oswald's upper thigh and the rifle in 133A. And so we end up only seeing a little loop of the sling hanging. Interesting the only photo showing the sling incomplete happens to be the only photo where the left side of the rifle is against Oswald's body. Poo-poo happens.

Note that in 133B and C the butt of the rifle is dragging onto his shirt, pinning fabric wrinkles. This means to me he's using his body to steady the rifle. In 133A he would be contacting the left side of the rifle against parts of his thigh and waist. A sling tied some ten inches from the butt plate would go around the stock itself and thus be visible when the right side can only be seen, as in 133A.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 06, 2018, 11:00:53 PM
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(https://sites.google.com/site/shotonelmclassicsiteview/backyard/ce133c-crop-1200x800.jpg)

We can see (because of the different angle in other photos) that the sling in 133A did go to tie at the area of the rear sling mount. Probably the sling was pinned between Oswald's upper thigh and the rifle in 133A. And so we end up only seeing a little loop of the sling hanging. Interesting the only photo showing the sling incomplete happens to be the only photo where the left side of the rifle is against Oswald's body. Poo-poo happens.

Note that in 133B and C the butt of the rifle is dragging onto his shirt, pinning fabric wrinkles. This means to me he's using his body to steady the rifle. In 133A he would be contacting the left side of the rifle against parts of his thigh and waist. A sling tied some ten inches from the butt plate would go around the stock itself and thus be visible when the right side can only be seen, as in 133A.

Jerry the photo being discussed is CE 133A... The one that you posted...Now stop trying to introduce another photo   133c...

(https://cdn.britannica.com/96/132696-004-1B6A5A8A.jpg)
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 07, 2018, 04:35:29 PM
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(https://sites.google.com/site/shotonelmclassicsiteview/backyard/ce133c-crop-1200x800.jpg)

We can see (because of the different angle in other photos) that the sling in 133A did go to tie at the area of the rear sling mount. Probably the sling was pinned between Oswald's upper thigh and the rifle in 133A. And so we end up only seeing a little loop of the sling hanging. Interesting the only photo showing the sling incomplete happens to be the only photo where the left side of the rifle is against Oswald's body. Poo-poo happens.

Note that in 133B and C the butt of the rifle is dragging onto his shirt, pinning fabric wrinkles. This means to me he's using his body to steady the rifle. In 133A he would be contacting the left side of the rifle against parts of his thigh and waist. A sling tied some ten inches from the butt plate would go around the stock itself and thus be visible when the right side can only be seen, as in 133A.

A sling tied some ten inches from the butt plate would go around the stock itself and thus be visible when the right side can only be seen, as in 133A.

Yes, that's right.....The "sling" would have to be tied around the hand grip area of the rifle just to the rear of the trigger guard. And if it were tied around the hand grip it would be visible in the photo.... But it is not ....and the reason it is not visible is because the "sling" isn't really attached to the rifle.  It is merely an artist's addition to the photo.


Now then since you're desperately trying to confuse the discussion, Let's take a look at 133C  ( which incidentally didn't appear until 1972) 

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One of the most glaring differences in the "slings" when comparing Ce 133A with 133c  is:  that is apparent the the "sling in CE 133A appears to be a flat strap, or a much larger diameter rope than is seen in 133c

We can see that the "sling" in 133c appears to be made from light "clothesline" rope.....As I recall the FBI examiner used the term "flimsy light weight rope" in referring to what appears to be a sling in 133c.   

At any rate it's obvious that the "sling" in 133C appears to be smaller diameter rope than the "sling in CE 133A.

Another glaring problem with 133c is the bottom of the "sling" is attached too far forward  to be looped through the rear sling loop on the left side of the stock. The actual measurement of that sling loop is exactly two inches forward of the butt plate. 

And when viewing 133c,  the sling loop would have to be about four inches from the butt plate

And what's more....The distance (space) between the wood of the stock and the metal of the sling mount is only 1/8".

IOW....A rope of the diameter( 3/8")  shown in the photo (133C) would be too large to pass between the wooden stock and the metal rod.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Jerry Organ on December 08, 2018, 10:34:08 PM
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One of the most glaring differences in the "slings" when comparing Ce 133A with 133c  is:  that is apparent the the "sling in CE 133A appears to be a flat strap, or a much larger diameter rope than is seen in 133c

We can see that the "sling" in 133c appears to be made from light "clothesline" rope.....As I recall the FBI examiner used the term "flimsy light weight rope" in referring to what appears to be a sling in 133c.   

At any rate it's obvious that the "sling" in 133C appears to be smaller diameter rope than the "sling in CE 133A.
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There's a narrow part of the sling that widens about the same area in both photos above. Possibly two rope strands are braided together or the sling was flattened somehow.

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Another glaring problem with 133c is the bottom of the "sling" is attached too far forward  to be looped through the rear sling loop on the left side of the stock. The actual measurement of that sling loop is exactly two inches forward of the butt plate. 

And when viewing 133c,  the sling loop would have to be about four inches from the butt plate

Ever hear tell of perspective and 3D?

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And what's more....The distance (space) between the wood of the stock and the metal of the sling mount is only 1/8".

IOW....A rope of the diameter( 3/8")  shown in the photo (133C) would be too large to pass between the wooden stock and the metal rod.
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Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Thomas Graves on December 08, 2018, 11:05:22 PM
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There's a narrow part of the sling that widens about the same area in both photos above. Possibly two rope strands are braided together or the sling was flattened somehow.
Ever hear tell of perspective and 3D?
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Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.



Who's to say Oswald (or someone else) didn't replace that sling with some "clothesline rope" before the assassination?

-- Tommy  :)



Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 08, 2018, 11:52:19 PM
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There's a narrow part of the sling that widens about the same area in both photos above. Possibly two rope strands are braided together or the sling was flattened somehow.
Ever hear tell of perspective and 3D?
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Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.

Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.

OK...And thank you for your honesty, and posting the photo of the rear sling mount.

So it seems that some artist added what appears to be a sling to the photo....Just as I said.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 09, 2018, 04:14:09 PM
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There's a narrow part of the sling that widens about the same area in both photos above. Possibly two rope strands are braided together or the sling was flattened somehow.
Ever hear tell of perspective and 3D?
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Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.

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Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.


I have measured the depth of the divot.  It is .275"  (7mm) deep, but the round diameter of the pin of the sling mount, makes the space somewhat smaller than .275".  The leather sling on my carcano is .141' inches thick and that sling just barely passes through the space.   

Bottom Line ...  If the "sling" in the photo were in reality a rope, that rope would have to be less than .150 " or 4mm in diameter.   IOW the "sling"would be about the diameter of heavy twine..... And it would be nearly invisible in the photo.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 09, 2018, 05:17:47 PM
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Not saying this particular magazine does, but sometimes the "Special" magazines have some good-resolution photographs and film grabs.

There is an interesting photo on page 27...  The photo shows the Lincoln with Clint Hill clinging onto the rear of the car and the triple underpass is in the background.   The caption on the photo reads: " The presidential limousine  speeds away from Dealey Plaza on it's way to Parkland Hospital"   The photo was taken with the camera pointing south,  from a high angle, from the area where the stockade fence and the railroad bridge meet.  The Lincoln is passing the left side of a 1963 light colored Chevy Impala. ( which I find odd...  Because I can't imagine where that Chevy came from???)

I don't know who took the photo, nor do I recall ever having seen this photo....It is a bit blurred.   

Here's an example of the accuracy of the booklet....From page 62... 

Quote..."The term "magic bullet" describes the second shot that hit Kennedy near his spine. It passed through his neck and hit John Connally in the back exiting his chest and shattering his right wrist and finally lodged itself  in Connally's left thigh. The bullet, Exhibit 399 in the Warren Commission investigation, was recovered from Connally's thigh at Parkland Hospital later that day."  Unquote

Does anybody see any error in the above statement?? 

This booklet is chock full of gross "inaccuracies"  (lies) like this...  It's a LNer's dream....
 
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 12, 2018, 08:43:37 PM
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There's a narrow part of the sling that widens about the same area in both photos above. Possibly two rope strands are braided together or the sling was flattened somehow.
Ever hear tell of perspective and 3D?
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Yes. Would be impossible to get a piece of rope through there.

What happened, Jerry....  Did your computer lock up?
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on December 12, 2018, 09:04:28 PM
None of this really matters guys

We have seen the Zapruder film

He was shot through the right temple

It's as clear as day

move on
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 12, 2018, 11:49:14 PM
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None of this really matters guys

We have seen the Zapruder film

He was shot through the right temple

It's as clear as day

move on

Oh, but it DOES matter....  The FBI weren't numbskulls.... They knew everything that has been posted on the subject of the difference between the  TSBD carcano, and the carcano in the BY photo......but instead of telling us the truth...They lied and covered up the truth.

Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 13, 2018, 03:40:30 PM
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Oh, but it DOES matter....  The FBI weren't numbskulls.... They knew everything that has been posted on the subject of the difference between the  TSBD carcano, and the carcano in the BY photo......but instead of telling us the truth...They lied and covered up the truth.

Back in the day....The FBI had access to all of the information that researchers have diligently uncovered and presented.
Thanks to the internet, and computers, we now know a portion of what they knew...when LBJ was in control.   

Thanks to computers we can now examine evidence like the BY photo and see with our own eyes details that they knew way back in 1963.  We no longer have to accept their lies...  They KNEW that the carcano in Lee's hands in the B.Y. photo DID NOT match the carcano that was found in the TSBD. .... But they pretended that they couldn't determine if it was, or was not, the same rifle.  Then they invented a fanciful tale about Lee fabricating a sling for the rifle so it would appear that the TSBD rifle was the same rifle that Lee held in his hand when the photo was taken. 
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Richard Smith on December 13, 2018, 04:11:34 PM
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Back in the day....The FBI had access to all of the information that researchers have diligently uncovered and presented.
Thanks to the internet, and computers, we now know a portion of what they knew...when LBJ was in control.   

Thanks to computers we can now examine evidence like the BY photo and see with our own eyes details that they knew way back in 1963.  We no longer have to accept their lies...  They KNEW that the carcano in Lee's hands in the B.Y. photo DID NOT match the carcano that was found in the TSBD. .... But they pretended that they couldn't determine if it was, or was not, the same rifle.  Then they invented a fanciful tale about Lee fabricating a sling for the rifle so it would appear that the TSBD rifle was the same rifle that Lee held in his hand when the photo was taken.

Thanks to computers every screwball with a baseless theory can post it endlessly and believe that gives it validity.   They can do this over and over until the end of times.  If you believe that you have actual evidence here that Oswald was not the assassin, then present it to the NY Times and DPD.  I'm sure they would be interested in any credible evidence that Oswald was not the assassin.  You seem convinced that you have such evidence.  Don't waste your time here.  Let us know the results.   If, however, you make no effort to do so, that simply confirms that you don't believe your own nonsense.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 13, 2018, 05:47:33 PM
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Thanks to computers every screwball with a baseless theory can post it endlessly and believe that gives it validity.   They can do this over and over until the end of times.  If you believe that you have actual evidence here that Oswald was not the assassin, then present it to the NY Times and DPD.  I'm sure they would be interested in any credible evidence that Oswald was not the assassin.  You seem convinced that you have such evidence.  Don't waste your time here.  Let us know the results.   If, however, you make no effort to do so, that simply confirms that you don't believe your own nonsense.

Let us know the results.   If, however, you make no effort to do so, that simply confirms that you don't believe your own nonsense.

I'm Sorry, Mr "Smith" ...  I have no cure for cranialrectalitis ....Nor do I have a cranium extraction tool...  And I might ad...YOU, Mr "Smith" would be one that might benefit from either a cure, or a cranialrectumology.   
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 13, 2018, 09:05:44 PM
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Thanks to computers every screwball with a baseless theory can post it endlessly and believe that gives it validity.   They can do this over and over until the end of times.  If you believe that you have actual evidence here that Oswald was not the assassin, then present it to the NY Times and DPD.  I'm sure they would be interested in any credible evidence that Oswald was not the assassin.  You seem convinced that you have such evidence.  Don't waste your time here.  Let us know the results.   If, however, you make no effort to do so, that simply confirms that you don't believe your own nonsense.

I keep waiting for these brainiacs to call their press conferences, what with all these 'revelations' about what 'really' went down that day.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Richard Smith on December 13, 2018, 10:16:06 PM
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Let us know the results.   If, however, you make no effort to do so, that simply confirms that you don't believe your own nonsense.

I'm Sorry, Mr "Smith" ...  I have no cure for cranialrectalitis ....Nor do I have a cranium extraction tool...  And I might ad...YOU, Mr "Smith" would be one that might benefit from either a cure, or a cranialrectumology.   

I guess this means you won't be taking your "evidence" to the authorities or NY Times to solve the assassination.  I'm shocked.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Richard Smith on December 13, 2018, 10:23:52 PM
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I keep waiting for these brainiacs to call their press conferences, what with all these 'revelations' about what 'really' went down that day.

Yes, if I had what I believed to be credible evidence to solve a murder or absolve someone wrongly accused, I would not spend my time on an Internet forum trying to convince random people.  I would take it to the authorities or media.  Particularly if it involved the assassination of the president.  The fact that folks like Walt apparently make no effort whatsoever to do so confirms they are not serious about this or believe half of their own nonsense.  It is just a game to pass the time. 
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 14, 2018, 01:02:50 AM
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Yes, if I had what I believed to be credible evidence to solve a murder or absolve someone wrongly accused, I would not spend my time on an Internet forum trying to convince random people.  I would take it to the authorities or media.  Particularly if it involved the assassination of the president.  The fact that folks like Walt apparently make no effort whatsoever to do so confirms they are not serious about this or believe half of their own nonsense.  It is just a game to pass the time.

You're a fool Mr Smith....  The government has muzzled men who are far more learned and powerful than I......Have you ever heard of a gentleman by the name of Judge James Garrison?   Even Garrison was rendered impotent by the US Government....
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 14, 2018, 01:32:51 AM
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Yes, if I had what I believed to be credible evidence to solve a murder or absolve someone wrongly accused, I would not spend my time on an Internet forum trying to convince random people.  I would take it to the authorities or media.  Particularly if it involved the assassination of the president.  The fact that folks like Walt apparently make no effort whatsoever to do so confirms they are not serious about this or believe half of their own nonsense.  It is just a game to pass the time.

I suspect Waldo has been missing his afternoon naps.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Rick McGlothlin on December 14, 2018, 02:29:16 AM
Which basically mirrors our society here in the U.S. as the aging population dies off.

Our youth have been given plenty of distractions (since 9/11 especially)  to keep them busy. No time / inkling to refute (or even raise an eyebrow) the lie that LHO killed JFK is uttered/written. Very few "youngsters" today are even interested in the shooting, let alone dig into to the details.

I did my own little "study" of that a few years back when my daugther was in high school. Not many kids her age really gave a "rats behind" about the JFK assassination, many knew very little about it and nary a one had even seen the Zapruder film.  When I showed that film to my daughter and about 6-7 of her friends, I then asked which direction did the head shot come from.  "From in front of the car somewhere..." was the general retort.

Then I tell them about the SBT.

They were all shocked at the WC version, even laughed about "how stupid people were back then"  to believe that one.  I'm guessing the same goes for most under the age of 25 these days -  that have never read/seen anything other than the "History Channel" or read a "history book" in school. 
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Steve Howsley on December 14, 2018, 08:41:46 AM
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No time / inkling to refute (or even raise an eyebrow) the lie that LHO killed JFK is uttered/written. Very few "youngsters" today are even interested in the shooting, let alone dig into to the details.

Entirely predictable. I reckon the same thing was the case 55 years on from the Lincoln assassination. People move on.


I did my own little "study" of that a few years back when my daugther was in high school. Not many kids her age really gave a "rats behind" about the JFK assassination, many knew very little about it and nary a one had even seen the Zapruder film.  When I showed that film to my daughter and about 6-7 of her friends, I then asked which direction did the head shot come from.  "From in front of the car somewhere..." was the general retort.

Then I tell them about the SBT.

They were all shocked at the WC version, even laughed about "how stupid people were back then"  to believe that one.  I'm guessing the same goes for most under the age of 25 these days -  that have never read/seen anything other than the "History Channel" or read a "history book" in school.

I bet that they would see things differently if they were presented with the actual evidence rather than the superficial fluff that CTers get wrapped up in. Did you explain to them the two Oswald theory? What about the body alteration rubbish that supposedly occurred between Dallas and Washington?

Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Rick McGlothlin on December 14, 2018, 11:25:42 AM
Hi Steve,

My counter to the passage of time theory is that, while it is certainly part of the reason, the comparison to the Lincoln assassination isn't quite the same. No one doubted who shot the President in 1865, as it witnessed by so many.

As to presenting those kids with additional CTer angles and theories, one need not go to those lengths. Common sense dictates when presented with that piece of AZ film.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 14, 2018, 12:57:10 PM
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Which basically mirrors our society here in the U.S. as the aging population dies off.

Our youth have been given plenty of distractions (since 9/11 especially)  to keep them busy. No time / inkling to refute (or even raise an eyebrow) the lie that LHO killed JFK is uttered/written. Very few "youngsters" today are even interested in the shooting, let alone dig into to the details.

I did my own little "study" of that a few years back when my daugther was in high school. Not many kids her age really gave a "rats behind" about the JFK assassination, many knew very little about it and nary a one had even seen the Zapruder film.  When I showed that film to my daughter and about 6-7 of her friends, I then asked which direction did the head shot come from.  "From in front of the car somewhere..." was the general retort.

Then I tell them about the SBT.

They were all shocked at the WC version, even laughed about "how stupid people were back then"  to believe that one.  I'm guessing the same goes for most under the age of 25 these days -  that have never read/seen anything other than the "History Channel" or read a "history book" in school.

Well said, Mr McGlothlin....   Thumb1:
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Steve Howsley on December 14, 2018, 01:30:55 PM
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As to presenting those kids with additional CTer angles and theories, one need not go to those lengths. Common sense dictates when presented with that piece of AZ film.

Rick, Of course the kids would see things as you do when yours is the only your opinion they are presented with. I'd be surprised if they though differently.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Richard Smith on December 14, 2018, 04:07:32 PM
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You're a fool Mr Smith....  The government has muzzled men who are far more learned and powerful than I......Have you ever heard of a gentleman by the name of Judge James Garrison?   Even Garrison was rendered impotent by the US Government....

You and your kindred freely post your opinions endlessly here and other places.  That is hard to square with the government "muzzling" anyone.  Are you claiming that you have evidence of a conspiracy but are afraid to present that evidence to the NY Times or the authorities even though you post endlessly here on a public forum?  Can you understand how that is a cowardly ad hoc excuse to explain away why no one else takes you seriously and that even you don't really believe your own nonsense?  This is just a way to pass the time as a hobby.  If you truly believed you had credible evidence that proves a conspiracy to murder the president, you would feel compelled to go to some respected media outlet like the NY Times and present your case.  Not doing that tells us everything we need to know.  You are either a coward or a kook.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 14, 2018, 04:22:00 PM
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You and your kindred freely post your opinions endlessly here and other places.  That is hard to square with the government "muzzling" anyone.  Are you claiming that you have evidence of a conspiracy but are afraid to present that evidence to the NY Times or the authorities even though you post endlessly here on a public forum?  Can you understand how that is a cowardly ad hoc excuse to explain away why no one else takes you seriously and that even you don't really believe your own nonsense?  This is just a way to pass the time as a hobby.  If you truly believed you had credible evidence that proves a conspiracy to murder the president, you would feel compelled to go to some respected media outlet like the NY Times and present your case.  Not doing that tells us everything we need to know.  You are either a coward or a kook.

You and your kindred freely post your opinions endlessly here and other places.  That is hard to square with the government "muzzling" anyone.
Muzzles??...  The government simply discredits ( or attempts to discredit ) anybody who criticizes the official government approved tale.   

 If you truly believed you had credible evidence that proves a conspiracy to murder the president, you would feel compelled to go to some respected media outlet like the NY Times and present your case.
I should go to the very ones who have dumped the big lie on us???

 no one else takes you seriously and that even you don't really believe your own nonsense?

You're a liar Mr "smith...  The very fact that you constantly feel compelled to discredit me, speaks loud and clear that "someone" takes me seriously.

Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Richard Smith on December 14, 2018, 05:13:03 PM
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You and your kindred freely post your opinions endlessly here and other places.  That is hard to square with the government "muzzling" anyone.
Muzzles??...  The government simply discredits ( or attempts to discredit ) anybody who criticizes the official government approved tale.   

 If you truly believed you had credible evidence that proves a conspiracy to murder the president, you would feel compelled to go to some respected media outlet like the NY Times and present your case.
I should go to the very ones who have dumped the big lie on us???

 no one else takes you seriously and that even you don't really believe your own nonsense?

You're a liar Mr "smith...  The very fact that you constantly feel compelled to discredit me, speaks loud and clear that "someone" takes me seriously.

Surely there must be one media outlet over 55 years after the event that is not under the control of the conspirators?  And you would be compelled as someone with the evidence that absolves Oswald to approach them in a matter of this importance.  Anyone involved in a JFK conspiracy in 1963 is either dead or drooling their soup in a senior citizens home.  Not very dangerous or powerful.  Just own up to the truth for once.  You don't have confidence in the "evidence" that you present here.  It is not credible.  No informed source in the real world beyond these Internet forums would do anything other than fall over laughing at such claims.   
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 14, 2018, 05:23:47 PM
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Surely there must be one media outlet over 55 years after the event that is not under the control of the conspirators?  And you would be compelled as someone with the evidence that absolves Oswald to approach them in a matter of this importance.  Anyone involved in a JFK conspiracy in 1963 is either dead or drooling their soup in a senior citizens home.  Not very dangerous or powerful.  Just own up to the truth for once.  You don't have confidence in the "evidence" that you present here.  It is not credible.  No informed source in the real world beyond these Internet forums would do anything other than fall over laughing at such claims.

Question:....  Why are you compelled to try to discredit my posts?
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 14, 2018, 06:16:13 PM
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Which basically mirrors our society here in the U.S. as the aging population dies off.

Our youth have been given plenty of distractions (since 9/11 especially)  to keep them busy. No time / inkling to refute (or even raise an eyebrow) the lie that LHO killed JFK is uttered/written. Very few "youngsters" today are even interested in the shooting, let alone dig into to the details.

I did my own little "study" of that a few years back when my daugther was in high school. Not many kids her age really gave a "rats behind" about the JFK assassination, many knew very little about it and nary a one had even seen the Zapruder film.  When I showed that film to my daughter and about 6-7 of her friends, I then asked which direction did the head shot come from.  "From in front of the car somewhere..." was the general retort.

Then I tell them about the SBT.

They were all shocked at the WC version, even laughed about "how stupid people were back then"  to believe that one.  I'm guessing the same goes for most under the age of 25 these days -  that have never read/seen anything other than the "History Channel" or read a "history book" in school.

So these kids, who have seen plenty of movies showing bullets throwing bodies every which way, are your go-to? Great research!
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 14, 2018, 06:24:01 PM
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Surely there must be one media outlet over 55 years after the event that is not under the control of the conspirators?  And you would be compelled as someone with the evidence that absolves Oswald to approach them in a matter of this importance.  Anyone involved in a JFK conspiracy in 1963 is either dead or drooling their soup in a senior citizens home.  Not very dangerous or powerful.  Just own up to the truth for once.  You don't have confidence in the "evidence" that you present here.  It is not credible.  No informed source in the real world beyond these Internet forums would do anything other than fall over laughing at such claims.

The sane-stream media currently has their hands full laughing at Trump.

Waldo could always try Fox & Friends...
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 14, 2018, 08:36:29 PM
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The sane-stream media currently has their hands full laughing at Trump.

Waldo could always try Fox & Friends...

The sly and wily fox has few friends....   
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on December 14, 2018, 09:47:08 PM
ok forget the kids

convince ME of the SBT please

please show me how a bullet goes from the 3rd thoracic to the throat

you couldn't recreate that shot lying down.

please enlighten us with your evidence

Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Jack Trojan on December 14, 2018, 10:11:52 PM
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ok forget the kids

convince ME of the SBT please

please show me how a bullet goes from the 3rd thoracic to the throat

you couldn't recreate that shot lying down.

please enlighten us with your evidence

Don't let them pull any "I've been a LNer before you were born" crap. You are correct Eddie. They are trying to discredit/dismiss your claims because that is all they got. That is their MO.

Here is proof (if you believe the x-rays are authentic) that the MB was BS.

The bullet clearly smashed thru the T2 vertebrae and exited the throat.

(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/x-ray_mb.gif)

Here is JFK's body position if that was the case.

(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/T2.png)

Was JFK bent over to that degree? No. So the MB is BS.

Experiment for yourself. Get in between 2 lasers pointed at each other as shown below. Line up the lower laser at your throat at approx. C6/7. Does the high laser strike your back as per the autopsy photo at T2? Or is it where Gerald Ford moved it to?

(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/2lasers.jpg)
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on December 14, 2018, 11:28:11 PM
Yeah, people here are apparently super qualified

and thats great because I need them to explain this ridiculous theory to me

Why are we called ct's when some of their theories are even more

unbelievable

they pile questions on questions but never have any answer's

BTW I thought the FBI concluded @21 degree's ?
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Jerry Freeman on December 15, 2018, 12:21:29 AM
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Quote from: Richard Smith on Today at 05:13:03 PM
    Surely there must be one media outlet over 55 years after the event that is not under the control of the conspirators?
  We see what happened to Alex Jones' freedom of speech. No, the spineless will never stand up to the politically correct establishment. It started with the Garrison inquiry....how dare one question the letter perfect Warren Report.
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The sane-stream media currently has their hands full...
Actually, it's more like the lame-stream media...a topic of it's own.
What has happened to all the other ODIA tag buddies Mytton..on hiatus-Nickerson...on vacation?....Howard Gee...bowed out ;)     
 
 
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Eddie Haymaker on December 15, 2018, 12:50:12 AM
what about governor connollys own testimony - not evidence?

there is SO much evidence to dismiss the MBT outright

I'm sorry no bueno
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Zeon Mason on December 15, 2018, 02:00:02 AM
the trouble with this case is that there were a whole lot of people with motive. Some of them were in the Cuban community, literally had bumper stickers on their cars suggesting JFK be killed.

There were certainly some mafia people not very happy with JFK and one of them actually started running his mouth that he had ordered the hit, and then not long after that, he was found dead in a barrel floating in the water.

There surely were people who were gleeful about the death of JFK after it happened, and made comedy of the horrendous death by gunshot. Such persons as the owner of the TSBD at the time that Oswald was hired, Harold Byrd, whom after the fact, removed a window from TSBD and hung it in his big game room as a trophy kill. Bryd was good friend of LBJ and benefited remarkably coincidental with being awarded the contract to build A7 Corsair aircraft, by LBJ.

Other players who may have not been directly in the loop but were certainly willing to play along after the fact: FBI agent Hoover, and the former CIA director Dulles,(fired by JFK)  and CIA counterintelligence director James Angelton. Angelton especially is suspect, given his view that national security gave the CIA extra ordinary power above and beyond allowed by the US Constitution. JFK gave a speech one month before the assassination, suggesting CIA be scattered to the winds. So motive of CIA to be involved is not an unreasonable hypothesis.

Then there are people who actually confessed to being involved in a conspiracy on their deathbed such as John Martino, who said he was to pay 2 gunman 50K. But James Files claims to be a Grassy Knoll shooter too, so there are some kooks as well.


Then there is Oswald, who himself is a curious figure, seems to be a nexus of many different characters from George deMorhenshildt, the Paines, the FBI, the CIA, Jack Ruby and the Mafia, and the CIA defector program which Oswald seems to have been one the primary players.


And of all the plausible characters in the Mafia, CIA, FBI, and LBJ too, who have motive, Oswald is the one with LEAST motive comparatively.


But the evidence that is submitted all points to Oswald and its either a very meticulous set up or Oswald is at least one of the shooters.


Even if one accepts that the physical evidence submitted by the WC investigation is correct (which is difficult because of all the mishandling of evidence and moving of evidence), one still has to be suspicious there was a 2nd gunman along with Oswald, because of certain problems with the trajectory path of the bullet thru the JFK skull and the timing of the shots, which appear to be all in a span of 4.8 sec and the last 2 shots heard in about 1 sec apart spacing, too fast to be a bolt action MC rifle.


Im still studying this 15 years after i started using the internet and about 10 years at least right here on the JFK assassination forum, and Im still perplexed and cannot resolve a lot of problems, such as the paper bag found but having prints in the absolutely wrong place and the failure to photo the bag. And there is issue of Dorothy Garner exiting the 4th floor office just about 10 seconds after Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles began down the staircase approx 25 sec post shots. Oswald cannot even reach the 4th floor landing until 45 sec post shots.


There are the witnesses who died rather coincidentally, and from unusual means, some even being shot, or supposedly suicide, heartattack, single car crash at high speed into fixed concrete barrier as though being run off the road, one found dead in her cell, apparently hanged herself. And Oswald himself, gets shot too, before having a trial.


There is too much here to ignore (for me at least)  to confidently conclude  the simple solution is correct, a lone Kook Marxist defector US Marine just up and decided on a whim to shoot the US President because of just reading a paper and noticing the route of the motorcade would go past his place of work.






Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: Oscar Navarro on December 15, 2018, 04:16:37 PM
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the trouble with this case is that there were a whole lot of people with motive. Some of them were in the Cuban community, literally had bumper stickers on their cars suggesting JFK be killed.


I doubt this. Show the evidence, please.
Title: Re: Who Killed Kennedy
Post by: John Iacoletti on December 15, 2018, 08:34:46 PM
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Thanks to computers every screwball with a baseless theory can post it endlessly and believe that gives it validity.

Much like "Richard Smith" does here on a daily basis.