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Title: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 27, 2018, 04:34:22 PM
https://www.jfk.org/event/conflicting-conclusions (https://www.jfk.org/event/conflicting-conclusions)
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Michael Walton on September 29, 2018, 12:28:21 PM
To John I - nice, new avatar.  I get it - the devil's advocate. Keep fighting the good fight here.

We shall really see if this SFM event really is an open forum of dissent or simply a money grab for the suckers to keep the cash coming.  My bet is it will be the latter.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Jerry Freeman on September 29, 2018, 10:47:45 PM
  My bet is it will be the latter.
You must know something about that mousey dweeb they call the Mayor of Dallas ::)
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Walt Cakebread on September 30, 2018, 01:46:15 AM
To John I - nice, new avatar.  I get it - the devil's advocate. Keep fighting the good fight here.

We shall really see if this SFM event really is an open forum of dissent or simply a money grab for the suckers to keep the cash coming.  My bet is it will be the latter.

I get it - the devil's advocate.

I thought he is the devil's right hand....

Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Walt Cakebread on October 05, 2018, 03:54:27 PM
To John I - nice, new avatar.  I get it - the devil's advocate. Keep fighting the good fight here.

We shall really see if this SFM event really is an open forum of dissent or simply a money grab for the suckers to keep the cash coming.  My bet is it will be the latter.

From the SFM.....

In 1964, the Warren Commission concluded that alleged assassin Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. In 1979, the House Select Committee concurred with some of the Warren Commission's findings; though they concluded that while Oswald killed President Kennedy, the assassination was probably the result of a conspiracy.

IOW....  The HSC  DID NOT agree with LBJ's "Special Blue Ribbon Committee"........

Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Walt Cakebread on October 24, 2018, 05:32:33 PM
https://www.jfk.org/event/conflicting-conclusions (https://www.jfk.org/event/conflicting-conclusions)

I have two tickets for Conflicting Conclusions ......I bought them a few weeks ago but a health issue has arisen and I won't be able to use them.

Send me a PM  .....
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Walt Cakebread on October 26, 2018, 08:36:27 PM
I have two tickets for Conflicting Conclusions ......I bought them a few weeks ago but a health issue has arisen and I won't be able to use them.

Send me a PM  .....

Who wants them?
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Michael O'Brian on November 04, 2018, 07:07:31 PM
Good thread I wonder would any one at this museum be willing to take photos from the Dal Tex,  I will pop them an email. Pity the long term serving curator passed away R.I.P,  can anyone refresh my memory of his name please, I think it was Gary Mack if memory serves me, I think he would have had an interest in my theory and might have got these photos taken to prove or debunk it
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Michael O'Brian on November 04, 2018, 08:30:56 PM
I have two tickets for Conflicting Conclusions ......I bought them a few weeks ago but a health issue has arisen and I won't be able to use them.

Send me a PM  .....

Hope nothing too serious Walt, just thought I would add,  don't feel need to disclose details, but wishing you a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Walt Cakebread on November 04, 2018, 10:32:27 PM
Hope nothing too serious Walt, just thought I would add,  don't feel need to disclose details, but wishing you a speedy recovery.

Thanks for your good wishes, Michael.... 
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Steve Howsley on November 05, 2018, 02:42:41 AM
I have two tickets for Conflicting Conclusions ......I bought them a few weeks ago but a health issue has arisen and I won't be able to use them.

Send me a PM  .....

I hope that's not too serious an issue Walt. All the best ongoing.  Thumb1:
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Ray Mitcham on November 05, 2018, 05:10:12 PM
Anybody know who occupies the Dal Tex building at present?
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Walt Cakebread on November 05, 2018, 06:15:44 PM
Anybody know who occupies the Dal Tex building at present?

The very earliest alerts that were issued by the DPD radio dispatcher did NOT mention the Texas Shool Book Depository, or the DalTex Building....

The Dispatcher alerted the units that the suspect had fired from "the old purse factory"....  That building was east of the Daltex building on Elm street.....  A couple of police units closed in on the old purse factory and requested back up.   I've often wondered if the mauser the Seymour Weitzman examined was found in or near the old purse factory.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Michael O'Brian on November 05, 2018, 11:40:55 PM
Anybody know who occupies the Dal Tex building at present?

Now I wonder why you want to know this Fr Crilly?
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Jerry Freeman on November 06, 2018, 01:31:15 AM
Anybody know who occupies the Dal Tex building at present?
There's been some renovation lately. Occupants are listed as "government offices".
At one time [years ago] on the first floor there was the initial JFK Assassination book store.
Robert Groden might know about it. He still haunts the GN periodically. Reminds me ..here is an article about him from the Observer....
Quote
This is about a sign that says ?Grassy Knoll.? To understand this story, you have to know that the words ?grassy knoll? are forbidden in Dallas.
https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/dallas-has-now-lost-82-cases-against-robert-groden-someone-call-guinness-8680799
In a lot of ways, Dallas is a gutless town. That is [I guess] what made it a perfect host for the assassination.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Walt Cakebread on November 06, 2018, 11:41:56 PM
There's been some renovation lately. Occupants are listed as "government offices".
At one time [years ago] on the first floor there was the initial JFK Assassination book store.
Robert Groden might know about it. He still haunts the GN periodically. Reminds me ..here is an article about him from the Observer....https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/dallas-has-now-lost-82-cases-against-robert-groden-someone-call-guinness-8680799
In a lot of ways, Dallas is a gutless town. That is [I guess] what made it a perfect host for the assassination.

Dallas is a gutless town.

I concluded the Dallas was a very corrupt town many years ago....  The KKK was still active and had many secret members....It was rumored that many of the officers on the DPD were members of the KKK.     One of the videos that was taken at the entrance to the TSBD at about 1:00 PM shows a DPD officer push a young Negro through the door of the TSBD....   
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Oscar Navarro on November 11, 2018, 03:56:48 AM
Hello, everyone. My son recently moved to Austin and plan to visit him soon. It's pretty close to Dallas and I was thinking of taking the opportunity to visit Dealy Plaza and the Museum. Could any of you who have visited recommend any good restaurants near Dealy Plaza? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Mitch Todd on November 11, 2018, 06:06:11 PM
The very earliest alerts that were issued by the DPD radio dispatcher did NOT mention the Texas Shool Book Depository, or the DalTex Building....

The Dispatcher alerted the units that the suspect had fired from "the old purse factory"....  That building was east of the Daltex building on Elm street.....  A couple of police units closed in on the old purse factory and requested back up.   I've often wondered if the mauser the Seymour Weitzman examined was found in or near the old purse factory.
Not quite. CE Talbert, not the dispatcher, brought up the "purse company" at about 12:49.  Talbert had just arrived at the scene when he called the purse company thing in, so he simply may not have been acting on good or complete information at the time. Haygood had already said on channel 2 at 12:35 that he had a witness that the shots came from the TSBD. About a minute later, Harkness reported a witness (who might have been the same as Haygood's) who said the shots came from the TSBD. The Haygood transmission is the first time that any building is identified as a source of the shots.


Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Bill Chapman on November 11, 2018, 06:28:55 PM
Hello, everyone. My son recently moved to Austin and plan to visit him soon. It's pretty close to Dallas and I was thinking of taking the opportunity to visit Dealy Plaza and the Museum. Could any of you who have visited recommend any good restaurants near Dealy Plaza? Thanks in advance.

Stay away from Harvey's... it's Dirty.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Oscar Navarro on November 11, 2018, 06:31:38 PM
Stay away from Harvey's... it's Dirty.

OK..scratch Harvey's  Thumb1:
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Bill Chapman on November 11, 2018, 06:32:48 PM
Anybody know who occupies the Dal Tex building at present?

The conspiracy-monger ghost shooters from the grassy knoll
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Bill Chapman on November 11, 2018, 06:40:19 PM
OK..scratch Harvey's  Thumb1:

I'm goofing on ya
I call Oswald 'Dirty Harvey'

Dirty Harry: "Smith, Wesson... and me"
Dirty Harvey: Smith, Wesson... and Lee.

A perfect description, if I do say so myself.
I especially like the Occam's Razor treatment
Lee Harvey Occam-Oswald? Fits like a glove.

The hits just keep on comin'
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Oscar Navarro on November 11, 2018, 06:54:16 PM
I'm goofing on ya
I call Oswald 'Dirty Harvey'

Dirty Harry: "Smith, Wesson... and me"
Dirty Harvey: Smith, Wesson... and Lee.

A perfect description.

Ah, yes. Very clever. So Harvey's is OK then. I can take the family and grandkids.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Bill Chapman on November 11, 2018, 07:43:25 PM
Ah, yes. Very clever. So Harvey's is OK then. I can take the family and grandkids.

You're going to take them to a hamburger joint? Surely you jest.

If you're unfortunate enough to be a CTer (in a wasting-your-entire-life sense), and especially if you're brainwashing your kids about the assassination, you might want to consider a picnic at Dead Harvey's gravesite in Fort Worth. But watch out for CT forum members if you aren't a CTer and are actually sane. You can recognize them by their zombie-like appearance. They want to eat your brain since they lack one themselves.

Restaurants near Dealy Plaza
https://www.opentable.com/landmark/restaurants-near-dealey-plaza-park?ref=15649&SP=ppc_g_us_restaurants&LS=gglppc&MID=us_restaurants&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwOrqto3N3gIVE9RkCh3gagJpEAAYASAAEgKDy_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum Thread and Nov 22 is also Thanksgiving Day
Post by: Jerry Freeman on November 11, 2018, 08:06:21 PM
Hello, everyone. My son recently moved to Austin and plan to visit him soon. It's pretty close to Dallas and I was thinking of taking the opportunity to visit Dealy Plaza and the Museum. Could any of you who have visited recommend any good restaurants near Dealy Plaza? Thanks in advance.
Not knowing where you are now but Austin is 180 mi south [3 hrs] of Dallas. Tip--Google map Dealey Plaza..then you will see West End-- Locations- click Resturaunts, Hotels, Bars etc. [I would go with Campisi's or Herrara's]       :)
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Jerry Freeman on November 11, 2018, 08:51:19 PM
If you're unfortunate enough to be a CTer (in a wasting-your-entire-life sense), and especially if you're brainwashing your kids about the assassination, you might want to consider a picnic at Dead Harvey's gravesite in Fort Worth. But watch out for CT forum members if you aren't a CTer and are actually sane. You can recognize them by their zombie-like appearance. They want to eat your brain since they lack one themselves. Restaurants near Dealy Plaza
Actually, it's DEALEY Plaza. We would think an expert like you would be keen to every single detail [especially when you seem to re-edit every one of your posts]
You know Chapman...we have all been trying our absolute damnedest  to see things from your perspective, but none of us can manage get our head up our backside let alone as far up there [and as skillfully] as you seem to.
 
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Oscar Navarro on November 11, 2018, 08:59:22 PM
You're going to take them to a hamburger joint? Surely you jest.

If you're unfortunate enough to be a CTer (in a wasting-your-entire-life sense), and especially if you're brainwashing your kids about the assassination, you might want to consider a picnic at Dead Harvey's gravesite in Fort Worth. But watch out for CT forum members if you aren't a CTer and are actually sane. You can recognize them by their zombie-like appearance. They want to eat your brain since they lack one themselves.

Restaurants near Dealy Plaza
https://www.opentable.com/landmark/restaurants-near-dealey-plaza-park?ref=15649&SP=ppc_g_us_restaurants&LS=gglppc&MID=us_restaurants&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwOrqto3N3gIVE9RkCh3gagJpEAAYASAAEgKDy_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

You're going to take them to a hamburger joint? Surely you jest.

He, he. Yes, I jest.

If you're unfortunate enough to be a CTer (in a wasting-your-entire-life sense), and especially if you're brainwashing your kids about the assassination, you might want to consider a picnic at Dead Harvey's gravesite in Fort Worth. But watch out for CT forum members if you aren't a CTer and are actually sane. You can recognize them by their zombie-like appearance. They want to eat your brain since they lack one themselves.

My goodness, no I'm not a CTer, at least not when it comes to the JFK assassination. I guess I'll have to risk having my old brain eaten. I recommend Goya Adobo all purpose seasoning if any CTer wants to munch on the old gray matter.


Thanks for the list of restaurants. The first one, Five Sixty by Wolfgang Puck looks like a good place to eat.


 
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum Thread and Nov 22 is also Thanksgiving Day
Post by: Oscar Navarro on November 11, 2018, 09:00:35 PM
Not knowing where you are now but Austin is 180 mi south [3 hrs] of Dallas. Tip--Google map Dealey Plaza..then you will see West End-- Locations- click Resturaunts, Hotels, Bars etc. [I would go with Campisi's or Herrara's]       :)

Thanks for the recommendations, Jerry.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Jerry Freeman on November 11, 2018, 09:17:33 PM
 
  The first one, Five Sixty by Wolfgang Puck looks like a good place to eat.
They're pricey. Do you really like sushi? One thing that's cool is that it is up on Reunion Tower [also known as H L Hunt's last erection]  :D ...

  (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Reunion_tower_from_crowley.jpg/218px-Reunion_tower_from_crowley.jpg)

 https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g55711-d1382043-Reviews-560_by_Wolfgang_Puck-Dallas_Texas.html
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Oscar Navarro on November 11, 2018, 10:06:32 PM
They're pricey. Do you really like sushi? One thing that's cool is that it is up on Reunion Tower [also known as H L Hunt's last erection]  :D ...

  (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Reunion_tower_from_crowley.jpg/218px-Reunion_tower_from_crowley.jpg)

 https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g55711-d1382043-Reviews-560_by_Wolfgang_Puck-Dallas_Texas.html

Aaaahh! No, I hate sushi.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Mitch Todd on November 12, 2018, 01:21:33 AM
They're pricey. Do you really like sushi? One thing that's cool is that it is up on Reunion Tower [also known as H L Hunt's last erection]  :D ...

  (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Reunion_tower_from_crowley.jpg/218px-Reunion_tower_from_crowley.jpg)

 https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g55711-d1382043-Reviews-560_by_Wolfgang_Puck-Dallas_Texas.html
You could always take DART rail to Mockingbird station and walk a couple of blocks to Campesi's Eqyptian. That would be the most assassination-appropriate thing to do.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Mitch Todd on November 12, 2018, 01:45:15 AM
Ah, yes. Very clever. So Harvey's is OK then. I can take the family and grandkids.
There actually is a hipsterish imitation dive bar/restaurant just south of downtown named "Lee Harvey's." Never ate there myself, but I'm told it's pretty good. I can personally vouch for Meso Maya, on the north side of Woodall Rogers @ McKinney. In fact, you have a choice of good restaurants along McKinney; just keep going north. I'm sure there are some joints around American Airlines Center, but I have no idea what they are.  A bit further north, and the Katy Trail Icehouse serves some good stuff; menu is BBQ and Texana-oriented. 

Someone brought up the West End. Sadly, that ain't what it used to be.   
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Oscar Navarro on November 12, 2018, 02:00:53 AM
You could always take DART rail to Mockingbird station and walk a couple of blocks to Campesi's Eqyptian. That would be the most assassination-appropriate thing to do.

 :D I'm afraid to ask what's in their menu.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Oscar Navarro on November 12, 2018, 02:02:49 AM
There actually is a hipsterish imitation dive bar/restaurant just south of downtown named "Lee Harvey's." Never ate there myself, but I'm told it's pretty good. I can personally vouch for Meso Maya, on the north side of Woodall Rogers @ McKinney. In fact, you have a choice of good restaurants along McKinney; just keep going north. I'm sure there are some joints around American Airlines Center, but I have no idea what they are.  A bit further north, and the Katy Trail Icehouse serves some good stuff; menu is BBQ and Texana-oriented. 

Someone brought up the West End. Sadly, that ain't what it used to be.   

Thanks for the tips, Mitch. Much appreciated  Thumb1:
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Jerry Freeman on November 12, 2018, 08:40:58 AM
You could always take DART rail to Mockingbird station and walk a couple of blocks to Campesi's Eqyptian. That would be the most assassination-appropriate thing to do.
There is a Campisis right up the street from Dealey Pl...1520 Elm Street.
https://www.campisis.us/locations/downtown-dallas/
World famous pizza.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Richard Marks on November 12, 2018, 11:35:20 AM
I think most people accept the idea that Oswald brought the rifle into the TSBD. The real question is did he fire it. The Malcolm Wallace thumbprint on the box by the sniper's nest raises some doubt.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Oscar Navarro on November 12, 2018, 03:18:32 PM
I think most people accept the idea that Oswald brought the rifle into the TSBD. The real question is did he fire it. The Malcolm Wallace thumbprint on the box by the sniper's nest raises some doubt.


According to FBI reports Wallace was in Quitman, GA on 11/22/1963.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: John Iacoletti on November 12, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
I think most people accept the idea that Oswald brought the rifle into the TSBD.

Why?
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: John Iacoletti on November 12, 2018, 05:51:14 PM
Hello, everyone. My son recently moved to Austin and plan to visit him soon. It's pretty close to Dallas and I was thinking of taking the opportunity to visit Dealy Plaza and the Museum. Could any of you who have visited recommend any good restaurants near Dealy Plaza? Thanks in advance.

I hear this place is pretty good.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/75/3f/c8/753fc8954f256ac48c36e190f393a2ef.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Jerry Freeman on November 12, 2018, 10:24:22 PM

According to FBI reports Wallace was in Quitman, GA on 11/22/1963.
I believe that report concerned J A Milteer and even that is a lie.
Title: Re: The Sixth Floor Museum finally tolerating some dissent
Post by: Oscar Navarro on November 14, 2018, 04:37:08 AM
I believe that report concerned J A Milteer and even that is a lie.

Yup! You're right. It's Milteer.  Not that I've read it but Joan Mellen debunks the Wallace fingerprint myth in her book Faustian Bargains