How do the Dealey Plaza films compare in quality to other films these same amateur film makers made with their cameras?
Just how do you propose to do this? Time has all but run out.Are there available home movies from the same cameras used to film the Dealey Plaza footage? If available, how do they compare? Were there other film owners who had a similar complaint as Nix?
Are there available home movies from the same cameras used to film the Dealey Plaza footage? If available, how do they compare? Were there other film owners who had a similar complaint as Nix?
Those are just a couple of thoughts I might have about this....
And the still photos from the professional photographers could be examined... How do their Dealey Plaza photos compare in quality with their non-Dealey Plaza photos?
Yes I know what you are saying. I'm simply asking what do you intend to do to try and get an answer to your question.I don't have the means to do anything... Someone else might... or someone else might have already done some investigation on this. I do think such a comparison might provide some answers for us, that is all...
I don't have the means to do anything... Someone else might... or someone else might have already done some investigation on this. I do think such a comparison might provide some answers for us, that is all...
I don't have the means to do anything... Someone else might... or someone else might have already done some investigation on this. I do think such a comparison might provide some answers for us, that is all...Thing is you really need seruous resorces to compare. First you need are original films. Close to imposible to have them. You cannot simply google films on the net and compare.
You call that sharpshooting? Oh boy.
He missed twice.
There was and is nothing wrong with the films. Each frame of an 8mm film is the size of a pinky nail. It's going to capture about as much as is to be expected, which is not much compared to 35mm and on up.
Nix was a blue-collar worker who knew absolutely nothing about film - he simply was there that day to capture the president going by, just like he was there at his house the week before capturing his family at a party. The same with Zapruder and Muchmore. Nix - and the rest of them - wouldn't have the film background to make such a profound statement as "...the film looked different."
Keep in mind, too, that this was *film* - a very organic way of capturing motion. If the original looked one way and a copy of it looked different, it's to be expected. There was nothing sinister about it.
As I've said ad nauseum numerous times, the films were NOT tampered with. The Z film actually proves that there was a conspiracy - there is no way in hell anyone could have pulled off the sharpshooting feat that Oswald was accused of doing. The Nix film merely confirms the Zapruder film, that neither was tampered with in any way as seen in this excellent sync of the two films.
This comparison is repeatedly ignored over and over and over again as "big deal." It actually IS a big deal and debunks so much BS I've read about elsewhere about the films being tampered with, about frames being removed, about the Z film being shot at 18 FPS then changed mid-sequence to 48 FPS, then 67% of the frames removed. It's all ridiculous.
The Z film actually proves that there was a conspiracy - there is no way in hell anyone could have pulled off the sharpshooting feat that Oswald was accused of doing.
You call that sharpshooting? Oh boy.
He missed twice.
Huh?
I think he means Oswald was aiming at the head therefore two misses.
Don't forget he missed the first shot by a good margin, not-to-mention his Walker miss at shorter range. Given those failures, one could posit that Oswald may have decided to aim center-mass on the twofer.
I guess no one here got my sarcasm regarding Oswald's shooting skills. Next time I'll put this:
/s/
To show I was being totally sarcastic about his "sharpshooting skills."
Are you addressing me. If so, then I already recognize that no CT thinks Oswald's shooting skills would be up to the task.Given the facts, no sane person would think Oswald's shooting skills were up to that task.
Again I ask, since Oswald was apparently a lousy shot, with a lousy weapon... would you seat yourself in JFK's position and let an Oswald-quality shooter fire at you, or not?Typical silliness from the Champmeister.
There was and is nothing wrong with the films. Each frame of an 8mm film is the size of a pinky nail. It's going to capture about as much as is to be expected, which is not much compared to 35mm and on up.Well the question arises when so many people say the motorcade momentarily halted and you can't see that in the Zapruder Film. You also note that Clint Hill is able to jump off one car and run up to the other, certainly not at 10-12 mph! Walking speed perhaps!
Nix was a blue-collar worker who knew absolutely nothing about film - he simply was there that day to capture the president going by, just like he was there at his house the week before capturing his family at a party. The same with Zapruder and Muchmore. Nix - and the rest of them - wouldn't have the film background to make such a profound statement as "...the film looked different."
Keep in mind, too, that this was *film* - a very organic way of capturing motion. If the original looked one way and a copy of it looked different, it's to be expected. There was nothing sinister about it.
As I've said ad nauseum numerous times, the films were NOT tampered with. The Z film actually proves that there was a conspiracy - there is no way in hell anyone could have pulled off the sharpshooting feat that Oswald was accused of doing. The Nix film merely confirms the Zapruder film, that neither was tampered with in any way as seen in this excellent sync of the two films.
This comparison is repeatedly ignored over and over and over again as "big deal." It actually IS a big deal and debunks so much BS I've read about elsewhere about the films being tampered with, about frames being removed, about the Z film being shot at 18 FPS then changed mid-sequence to 48 FPS, then 67% of the frames removed. It's all ridiculous.
Well the question arises when so many people say the motorcade momentarily halted and you can't see that in the Zapruder Film. You also note that Clint Hill is able to jump off one car and run up to the other, certainly not at 10-12 mph! Walking speed perhaps!
The second glaring question remains with autopsy photos and a lack of what you don't see on a morgue table. If you don't think something happened in a frame like Z337, how did the head magically reappear again nice and neat on the morgue table? He doesn't have a head shown in that frame! it looks like a nice vertical cut across it. You can see Jacqueline's shoulder and blouse below in that frame!
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z337.jpg)
Now, compare that to the autopsy morgue photo, yes, the front of the head is all there! No evidence of a rearward bullet coming out at front! No evidence of a rearward thrust of his body as shown in the Zapruder film. Nice neat photo.
https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=0&pos=10 (https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=0&pos=10)
(Sorry can't display the image founder here, how to upload this image?)
It is little wonder during the funeral, Jacqueline remarked: "That is not Jack!"
| (https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/mpi/z300-z349/z328.jpg) Shadow-pattern on Jackie's left shoulder | (https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/mpi/z300-z349/z333.jpg) Shoulder-shadow pattern no longer present |
| (http://i57.tinypic.com/3320aqr.jpg) Animation to Z336 | (https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/mpi/z300-z349/z337.jpg) President's head between Jackie's left shoulder and Zapruder camera (texture unlike pink jacket shadow-pattern on Jackie's left shoulder) |
(https://image.ibb.co/eVMGBv/clint_hill_z330_345.gif)I do see a shadow formed below her face in the neckline area if that is what you mean? As his head moves forward and she move back, it covers this dark area from about Z331 on. It certainly is not on the left shoulder but in between there and her centerline. From about Z330 the President's head slumps more and more forward (up to Z338) at about which time she realized the game is up and she could be hit next and moves to exit. The visible tuft of hair/ear on his head which remains throughout gives us the sense of the head motion. Before that, there is no pronounced forward move other than the subtle one between Z312 and Z313 possibly recorded by Altgens in his observation as this is what he saw 15 feet away. JFK's reaction up to about Z322, where he move back in his seat and raises his arm has never been witnessed by anyone or recorded - only the Zapruder frames as far as I know records this move. WC or other reports or statements fail to mention it. Even the anchor newsman at the time (Walter Kronkite) says simply the President slumped forward. True enough if you negate his 1 foot back move and his arm moving up - a mere detail in that process!
The limousine had slowed to about 8 mph as Hill ran up to it. He takes six or so steps after his left hand gets a grip on the hand-hold.
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/mpi/z300-z349/z328.jpg) Shadow-pattern on Jackie's left shoulder(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/mpi/z300-z349/z333.jpg) Shoulder-shadow pattern no longer present
(http://i57.tinypic.com/3320aqr.jpg) Animation to Z336(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/mpi/z300-z349/z337.jpg) President's head between Jackie's left shoulder and Zapruder camera
(texture unlike pink jacket shadow-pattern on Jackie's left shoulder)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RV6Bb3tL/Autopsy_sheet.jpg)
Where is the massive head wound, as per the autopsy photos, and the Zap film, shown on the autopsy sheet?
The drawings were not meant to show the size of the wounds to any kind of scale, nor were they meant to show the precise locations of the wounds.
The illustrations were only used a rough guide.
Precise noted measurements of the size and locations of the wounds were calculated.
Are you addressing me. If so, then I already recognize that no CT thinks Oswald's shooting skills would be up to the task.
Again I ask, since Oswald was apparently a lousy shot, with a lousy weapon... would you seat yourself in JFK's position and let an Oswald-quality shooter fire at you, or not?
Nix film DEGRADED ?
That would depend on which version you look at.
Regarding the so called limo stop, there was no limo stop, BUT the limo did "slow down to a crawl" immediately after the head shot
as Clint Hill lunged for the grab rail on the limo.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZthBqh9pniE/W7IQB249c4I/AAAAAAAACbg/8mlZ69g1HeEOrS4I6dbYJ0s5xMb9599xgCLcBGAs/s1600/AnimationNIX3.gif)
I'm not going to repeat myself to deaf ears and blinkered eyes.
Look, Listen and Learn the facts.
Seems you are the one with deaf ears and blinkered eyes, not me. The autopsy sheet did not show any wound to the top of the head. The doctors at Parkland didn't see a wound to the top of the head.(How strange is that?) Only the photos of the autopsy (dubious at best) and Humes says that there was. And that was after the arrival of the body at Bethesda.
Seems you are the one with deaf ears and blinkered eyes, not me. The autopsy sheet did not show any wound to the top of the head. The doctors at Parkland didn't see a wound to the top of the head.(How strange is that?) Only the photos of the autopsy (dubious at best) and Humes says that there was. And that was after the arrival of the body at Bethesda.Well Dr. Robert McClelland from the Parkland Hospital issued a statement years later showing his recollections of the wounds he saw at the back of the head and that he thought the shot came from the front. The only thing different is that he shows the neck wound on the RHS during his interview. He said the tracheostomy was performed before he got on the scene.
Ray - does it really matter? If you strongly believe, as I do, that there was a conspiracy, then the basic proof for that is the Zapruder film. If you believe, as I and others do, that Oswald could not have pulled off the shooting feat that the WC says he did, then it's pretty much a done deal. There *was* a conspiracy. Period.
Quibbling over "where was the top of the head blowout" and all of the other stuff is ridiculous. Forget the kitchen sink mentality and move on knowing that there was a conspiracy - and there is no one on this Earth that can really do anything about it. The only thing that would change things is if there was a POTUS who came in and announced officially and for the record that "There was a conspiracy" and we all know that will never, ever happen. At least not in our lifetime.
Nix film DEGRADED ?The car acceleration in my opinion occurred just as he had a firm grip on the grab rail. From this point on, the car is in acceleration mode. He has to take several fast steps and then boosts himself up. The head shot came just before he grabbed the rail - the cars slowest speed! This means the interval up to this the car couldn't be going very fast at all.
That would depend on which version you look at.
Regarding the so called limo stop, there was no limo stop, BUT the limo did "slow down to a crawl" immediately after the head shot
as Clint Hill lunged for the grab rail on the limo.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZthBqh9pniE/W7IQB249c4I/AAAAAAAACbg/8mlZ69g1HeEOrS4I6dbYJ0s5xMb9599xgCLcBGAs/s1600/AnimationNIX3.gif)
The car acceleration in my opinion occurred just as he had a firm grip on the grab rail. From this point on, the car is in acceleration mode. He has to take several fast steps and then boosts himself up. The head shot came just before he grabbed the rail - the cars slowest speed! This means the interval up to this the car couldn't be going very fast at all.
Too me, the exact timing of the major shot came when the bi-afro girl changes her running stance and moves in the other direction away from the scene in the Nix Film. It also coincides with John Ready (opposite Clint Hll) ducking. The bi-afro girl direction change can be correlated to Z322 where we see this in between the film cogs and is an immediate reaction to something occurring or about to occur as she changes direction!
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z322.jpg)
She may even have thought the man (my inference) running across the front of the car was going to get hit! We see the man end up on his butt in the grass, no reaction by Altgens alongside, rock steady not even a flinch and no photograph at that moment either.
It is readily apparent that the car is in acceleration mode when Hill finally climbs on board. You can match the Nix Film to Jacqueline's white glove going behind JFK's head at about Z336, about 6 frames after a massive head shot (my inference) occurred). 1/3 of a second is a realistic reaction time to the second of 2 bullets landed on Kennedy in quick succession. If all damage is thought to have occurred at Z312 and nothing after, 1 1/2 seconds is a very long time for fright and flight to occur to Mrs. Kennedy! Especially when correlated back to the bi-afro bystander reaction at approximately Z322 as she may anticipate something coming. That is a full 1/2 second after Z312.
WTF is a "bi-afro"?
WTF is a "bi-afro"?Here we go again. A quick look up on google and you can dig up some examples and see who I am referring to at the cog in this film!
People react in different ways, Allan. Three of the four cyclists, who were mere feet away from the head shot, just watched, slowed down, and then went on while the other one (Chaney) was alert enough to have slowed down and then come to a stop. If I'm not mistaken, at the very end of the clip, he even looks back toward the building.Is that the proper way to react when you are acting to protect the President? What was their purpose? If anything, they should be getting in the way so that additional shots cannot be landed! Their umbrella of protection should not be removed! That is the purpose of an escort is it not? To serve and protect? As I said Clint Hill made a dash for the car to protect Jacqueline. Who was there to protect the President? John Ready? No one! Instead, the car slowed down when you would expect an immediate acceleration after the first neck shot was landed.
It was basic mass confusion not only by them but by everyone else. Yes, the one guy throws himself down while Altgens doesn't. Big deal. It means absolutely nothing. I just shot a wedding party recently and took a photo of the bride smashing the cake into the groom's face. You can clearly see the audience in the background. There's a wide variety of reactions - some smiling, one person threw their head back in laughter, a few staring in stony silence.
The entire Dealey sequence was very short - no more than 6 seconds - and no one was standing around saying, "OK...wait for it! Here it comes! Boom!"