The implication being...what? That he was the radio man for a hit team?That would be at least one reasonable interpretation... It sure looks like this fellow is talking on something...!
That would be at least one reasonable interpretation... It sure looks like this fellow is talking on something...!
Has anyone ever suggested that Zapruder's "stick-man" was using a walkie-talkie?That is a teen aged kid, and all I see is a cupped left hand about ear level. Where is a walkie-talkie? How do you know he is on a walkie talkie? The blow up is severely blurred. You cannot draw conclusions from this blurry clip.
These gif images below from the Mark Bell film in The Lost Bullet seem to indicate that this just might be the case....
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ZAPRUDER'S STICKMAN
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Can somebody remind me of this person name? I cannot recall her name and will show you her connection to "stick-man".There are two different names for this woman. In the 70's, J. Gary Shaw and Larry Ray Harris interviewed a woman who claimed to be her, and she worked at the Terminal Annex building. LArry Harris worked there himself in the 70's, and that was how he located here. Her name was Francine Burrows.
Thanks.
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This is from The Lost Bullet... There might be a better copy out there though....
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This is from the Sixth Floor Museum copy of Zapruder....
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On a Hi Def screen this Bell Film footage via "The Lost Bullet" is clearer. The guy definitely was holding/griping something in his (L) hand as he sprinted across that S. Knoll grass toward Houston St.
There are two different names for this woman. In the 70's, J. Gary Shaw and Larry Ray Harris interviewed a woman who claimed to be her, and she worked at the Terminal Annex building. LArry Harris worked there himself in the 70's, and that was how he located here. Her name was Francine Burrows.Thank you Steve.
Another woman, Toni Foster came forward and she is the person hose name you are seeking.
Thank you Steve.
I think the person referred here as "stick-man" was Toni Foster husband.
In her year 2000 interview she is stating:
"Just like everyone else, we knew President Kennedy was
coming so we were trying to hurry and get downtown to see him.
We were listening to the radio to follow what areas he was in; so
we were hurrying... Then he (her husband) wanted to go down near the underpass."
" I remember, for myself, I was looking for my husband. I
knew he was in the line of fire from where he was and I was trying
to find him."
Here are Toni and her husband in Bronson film:
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Here are they in Hughes:
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And Hughes again:
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So what is referred here as walkie-talkie most probably was a radio.
Another thing that caught my attention in Toni Foster interview is the following:
"And I remember everything stopped for me. I remember
[his head] looked like confetti, it was just blown off. It hit him
back here [puts her hand on the right rear of her head] and it was
just like confetti. The spray went behind him."
Will have to consider posting my confetti cannon theory again. Or maybe not?
I've read Toni's full testimony and there is no mention of having a portable radio at all... So, her husband remains a person of suspect in my opinion.
Is Toni's testimony credible and believable?
If so, consider this very interesting part of her testimony from the same interview:
I know the Governor and Mrs. Connally were there but I wasn?t even thinking of them. I don?t mean that in an inconsiderate way but it?s just what I saw. They were protecting themselves too. For some reason the car stopped. It did stop for seconds. I don?t ever know why it stopped and all of a sudden it sped up and they went under the underpass.
I could never figure out why the car stopped. [Mrs. Kennedy] started crawling out the back of the car crying and screaming (whatever it was she was screaming, I can?t remember).
We'll let the pictures from the Bell film speak for themselves... It appears the man has walkie talkie in his left hand while he is running.... He would be a person of suspect in my opinion... Here's the full scene:I am letting the frames from the Bell film speak for themselves. I see absolutely no indication that guy has anything resembling a walkie talkie--or anything else for that matter--in his hand. You are seeing things if you think that you can define any detail in this grainy, blurry, film clip. How do you expect people to take what you say you see seriously when there is no way on this earth you can define an object--let alone a walkie-talkie--in this? You are the same guy who posts blown up blobs from video images and say that you see a person, or a gun, or this or that, so I have to take this into consideration.
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A great eye you have, Patrick! Kudos to you for this great work! Great work!Thank you Steve. I am sure we can find them in other films and photos.
We'll let the pictures from the Bell film speak for themselves... It appears the man has walkie talkie in his left hand while he is running.... He would be a person of suspect in my opinion... Here's the full scene:No doubt his left hand is up to his ear but absolutely no chance to say it is walkie-talkie for sure. Toni Foster said they were listening the radio but does not specify car built-in radio or hand portable one. I have no doubt this is her husband.
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Thank you Steve.
I think the person referred here as "stick-man" was Toni Foster husband.
In her year 2000 interview she is stating:
"Just like everyone else, we knew President Kennedy was
coming so we were trying to hurry and get downtown to see him.
We were listening to the radio to follow what areas he was in; so
we were hurrying... Then he (her husband) wanted to go down near the underpass."
" I remember, for myself, I was looking for my husband. I
knew he was in the line of fire from where he was and I was trying
to find him."
Here are Toni and her husband in Bronson film:
(https://s26.postimg.cc/pqppocq61/bronson.jpg)
Here are they in Hughes:
(https://s26.postimg.cc/r5rad2jjd/hughes.jpg)
And Hughes again:
(https://s26.postimg.cc/lhkzm67h5/hughes2.jpg)
So what is referred here as walkie-talkie most probably was a radio.
Another thing that caught my attention in Toni Foster interview is the following:
"And I remember everything stopped for me. I remember
[his head] looked like confetti, it was just blown off. It hit him
back here [puts her hand on the right rear of her head] and it was
just like confetti. The spray went behind him."
Will have to consider posting my confetti cannon theory again. Or maybe not?
No doubt his left hand is up to his ear but absolutely no chance to say it is walkie-talkie for sure. Toni Foster said they were listening the radio but does not specify car built-in radio or hand portable one. I have no doubt this is her husband.
This threatens to become new time traveler same as Charlie Chaplin lady with cell phone.
By 1963 a radio in the dashboard of a car was very common. Why would someone listen to a transistor radio and run down the batteries inside it, when they had the option of simply using the car radio?Well, we do not know what Toni meant. Maybe they had both, in car and transistor one. Common sense says, OK, they were listening the car radio while they were driving and once they parked the car (probably not too close to Dealey plaza) they took transistor and listened the progres of the motorcade. In any case, appart from radio issue not being clear, this person position in Bell film coresponds to Toni statemen about her husband.
By 1963 a radio in the dashboard of a car was very common. Why would someone listen to a transistor radio and run down the batteries inside it, when they had the option of simply using the car radio?Royell, yes, correct. A radio in the car was much more common than a transistor radio in 1963. I would think that most skilled investigators would be correct to assume the reference to radio was a reference to the car radio, and especially after reading her describing the order of events...
On a Hi Def screen this Bell Film footage via "The Lost Bullet" is clearer. The guy definitely was holding/griping something in his (L) hand as he sprinted across that S. Knoll grass toward Houston St.
Thank you Steve. I am sure we can find them in other films and photos.
I agree. Thumb1:Steve, "clearly, he has something in his left hand" - what that is exactly, is the question. It looks like the behavior of someone running with a walkie talkie. But again, clearly, he has something in his left hand.
Steve, "clearly, he has something in his left hand" - what that is exactly, is the question. It looks like the behavior of someone running with a walkie talkie. But again, clearly, he has something in his left hand.
Steve, "clearly, he has something in his left hand" - what that is exactly, is the question. It looks like the behavior of someone running with a walkie talkie. But again, clearly, he has something in his left hand.It looks more to me that he is almost certainly covering his ear with his left hand, to muffle in anticipation, the sound of more shots coming, perhaps.
Transistor radios were certainly available in 1963:Indeed... and walkie talkies were certainly available as well... They were using the radio in the car to know where to park... No transistor radio in hand. Actions and appearance look more like a walkie talkie...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_radio
NOBODY sprints while simultaneously holding a transistor radio up to their ear/alongside their head. NOBODY sprints with their hand steadfastly held at head level period. What we are seeing is a completely unnatural physical act occurring during someone Hauling Arse. That guy is on-the-lamb while simultaneously listening for instructions. Plus, he is the Only person inside Dealey Plaza sprinting East immediately after the Kill Shot. The Bright Glint we see from his (R) Hand is also a concern.Royell, That is exactly what seems to be the case in these two films... "On the lam... and Hauling Arse." (That's the first time I've typed that!) His actions seem very, very suspicious to me... and it would be good to know if anyone has any information on Robert Foster...
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Nope. The Beatles' arrival (and airplay) in America was still a few months off.
Nope. The Beatles' arrival (and airplay) in America was still a few months off.And cellphones...
"The Beatles' American television debut was on 18 November 1963 on The Huntley-Brinkley Report, with a four-minute long piece by Edwin Newman.[9] On 22 November 1963, the CBS Morning News ran a five-minute feature on Beatlemania in the UK which heavily featured their then current UK hit "She Loves You". The evening's scheduled repeat was cancelled following the assassination of John F. Kennedy the same day. "[/i]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_in_the_United_States
Incorrect regarding Airplay
Nope. The Beatles' arrival (and airplay) in America was still a few months off.
From Wikepedia:Thumb1: Thumb1:
"The Beatles' American television debut was on 18 November 1963 on The Huntley-Brinkley Report, with a four-minute long piece by Edwin Newman.[9] On 22 November 1963, the CBS Morning News ran a five-minute feature on Beatlemania in the UK which heavily featured their then current UK hit "She Loves You". The evening's scheduled repeat was cancelled following the assassination of John F. Kennedy the same day."
I was actually quoting your words posted earlier... Regardless, his left hand is clearly up to his ear... he's leaning over running, and could very well be using a walkie talkie... He is a person of suspect... It would be good to know more about Robert Foster....
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Actually, his left hand is clearly below his ear here. If we are going totally walkie talkie; it would usually be more smug next to the ear like a cell phone.If you can find a decent , clear copy of the National Archives copy of the Z film, you can see that both of these men , at one point, have both their hands to their heads. The guy running towards Commerce Street, especially.
If you can find a decent , clear copy of the National Archives copy of the Z film, you can see that both of these men , at one point, have both their hands to their heads. The guy running towards Commerce Street, especially.Where can we find a clear copy of the National Archives copy of the Z film?
Where can we find a clear copy of the National Archives copy of the Z film?Try this one: Boost it all the way to 1440 High Definition for best quality
If you can find a decent , clear copy of the National Archives copy of the Z film, you can see that both of these men , at one point, have both their hands to their heads. The guy running towards Commerce Street, especially.
If you can find a decent , clear copy of the National Archives copy of the Z film, you can see that both of these men , at one point, have both their hands to their heads. The guy running towards Commerce Street, especially.I might have misunderstood your comment, but I think these are the same person...
I might have misunderstood your comment, but I think these are the same person...No, you didn't misunderstand, I messed up. I meant Main Street, not Commerce. I agree, they are both the same person. It's the other man, to his right, that I was referring to who also has hands to his head and both men seem to have their heads tilted forward in a ducking motion for those few frames. Perhaps they're plugging their ears because of the sirens that were activated as the SS and limousine departed. Sorry about that.
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Do we have any information at all on Robert Foster that might be helpful?And what information do we have on the dark complected man (DCM)? He appears to be talking on a walkie talkie as well (note the antennae)...
And what information do we have on the dark complected man (DCM)? He appears to be talking on a walkie talkie as well (note the antennae)...
These two pics found on Google...
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Two words: Directional Blur.
Here he does seem to be putting something behind him... a walkie talkie?
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Didn't see this picture? What could he be holding?-----------------------
Could just be the wind
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Could just be the wind bellowed out his light-weight jacket and he's using his arms against his sides to gather back the jacket so he can zip it in front.
Except The Cuban's hands are actually Behind him & Below his waist in the vicinity of his butt cheeks/back pockets.
Except The Cuban's hands are actually Behind him & Below his waist in the vicinity of his butt cheeks/back pockets.Thanks for pointing that out. He would have to get his arms that far back to gather the sides of the light-weight jacket that had billowed out behind him.
Thanks for pointing that out. He would have to get his arms that far back to gather the sides of the light-weight jacket that had billowed out behind him.
Just how many times have you Ever reached Back/Down onto your butt cheeks to straighten out a billowed jacket you were wearing?
I mean, you want us to believe this guy is in Public grabbing at his cheeks in order to straighten his jacket? The primary reason a man would have his hands in this area/position is to handle something tucked between his back and waist, or something tucked into his back pocket(s).
I don't believe he's touching his butt cheeks. I think he just swung back his arms in a wide swoop to gather the sides of the jackets. Would be pretty hard to blindly reach back with both hands and automatically lay the hands on the jacket corners where the zipper begins. First thing to do would be to pin the billowing jacket sides between his torso and arms. Then the hands can get to the corners so as to zip it.
Sorry. You're the only one I see relishing a fantasy of one grabbing their butt cheeks.
Draw on your own experience. If the wind causes your jacket to billow, (not agreeing this is what actually happened to The Cuban/DCM), you grab the left and right sides of the jacket, pull it forward, and then zip it up. Same goes for a soldier when straightening his uniform jacket/coat gripping the Sides and pulling Down in order to remove any wrinkles. He does Not reach Back/Behind himself.
Reaching Behind yourself and Down into the butt cheek/back pocket area does Not occur when attempting to straighten/zip up a jacket. This is Not we are seeing The Cuban doing.
You're describing a heavier-weight coat. Guess they don't sell windbreakers where you're from.
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If he's not taking in his windblown jacket, then how does the hands resting on the outside surface of the cheeks mean he's tucking something INTO his pocket or waistband, or up his back?
Thanks for posting that visual aid. That individuals hands are nowhere near his buttocks. To be fair, I would need to see what the situation is here. It appears he is running and simultaneously struggling to put the jacket on.
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Never said it represented exactly what happened to DCM's jacket went the wind caught it. It was a counterpoint to your description of the wind puffing out a heavier-weight coat.
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Bothun photo: Jacket seems open.
Bronson photo: May be keeping jacket closed with left hand.
Towner photo: I believe there is still some air trapped at the shoulders and back that is puffing up the jacket.
Is this another walkie talkie?
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Royell, Not SA Clint Hill, but the fellow standing beside the road... the arrow points to him... hand up to head...
Royell, Not SA Clint Hill, but the fellow standing beside the road... the arrow points to him... hand up to head...
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/31.jpg)Jerry, Sorry... I haven't fallen for any claim... If you had read clearly, I'm asking a question, not making a statement... And if you don't like answering questions of newbies from your deep wealth of knowledge, then just ignore my posts...
A woman holding a baby is a man with a walkie-talkie.
Is there no decades-old long-demolished conspiracy claim this Maxwell chap won't fall for?
Most of what he brings up have been discussed at this very Forum. And that's since January But wait, he'll start two new posts tomorrow.
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A woman holding a baby is a man with a walkie-talkie.
Is there no decades-old long-demolished conspiracy claim this Maxwell chap won't fall for?
Most of what he brings up have been discussed at this very Forum. And that's since January But wait, he'll start two new posts tomorrow.
SA Clint Hill? Not hardly.
Is this another walkie talkie?
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Royell is right. This is Maxwell Smart with his shoe phone.
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A woman holding a baby is a man with a walkie-talkie.
Is there no decades-old long-demolished conspiracy claim this Maxwell chap won't fall for?
Most of what he brings up have been discussed at this very Forum. And that's since January But wait, he'll start two new posts tomorrow.
How do we remove a topic we've started?Topics aren't [usually] removed if there's been a reply.
How do we remove a topic we've started?
IMO the only bad posts are the endless name calling and feuds that dominate this forum.+1 -Opinion absolutely shared.
The guy isn't on the south knoll; he's on the grass infield located between Main and Elm.Correct, and appears to be going/running east toward Houston St. Also, ToniFosterImage can be seen on NixFilm approaching Elm St to view the PresidentialMotorcade, and appears to react to seeing President JohnKennedySrImage being shot in the head.