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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Michael O'Brian on July 24, 2018, 06:13:26 PM
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What objections would would be out there, to a large monument of Oswald being made and erected at his place of rest, or would any other place be more suitable for it??? I think it is time that this hero is remembered in the correct manner, what do others think? respectful comments please.
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Someone would steal it [they keep taking the grave marker as it is]
Who would pay for it anyway?
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I thought I had heard it all . Guess not !
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Someone would steal it [they keep taking the grave marker as it is]
Who would pay for it anyway?
The cost has not come up for consideration at this stage, just trying to get a feel for how it would go down. His grave markers getting lifted, was probably by some teenagers, thinking they could sell it on ebay, or maybe they have one each in their bedroom, to show off to their friends, or maybe the most viable reason, is that those in care of the cemetary are removing it, to cut down on the number of visitors, who arrive to pay respects to him (just like they tried to control who was allowed to attend at his burial),,,,but a monument would hardly be cut from the plinth, it would require a lot more effort, I do see it would need some form of protection though perhaps a railings or something.
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The cost has not come up for consideration at this stage, just trying to get a feel for how it would go down. His grave markers getting lifted, was probably by some teenagers, thinking they could sell it on ebay, or maybe they have one each in their bedroom, to show off to their friends, or maybe the most viable reason, is that those in care of the cemetary are removing it, to cut down on the number of visitors, who arrive to pay respects to him (just like they tried to control who was allowed to attend at his burial),,,,but a monument would hardly be cut from the plinth, it would require a lot more effort, I do see it would need some form of protection though perhaps a railings or something.
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In Cuba in every town( the pose with the fist) and national holiday 22-24th.
Something likadis.
I know... the difference...
"I know it was you Fredo, you broke my heart."
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What objections would would be out there, to a large monument of Oswald being made and erected at his place of rest, or would any other place be more suitable for it??? I think it is time that this hero is remembered in the correct manner, what do others think? respectful comments please.
Double murderer, left multiple children fatherless including his own infant, wife beater, defector to the USSR. Those are some good objections. On the pro side, though, at least people in Ft. Worth would have a place for their dogs to do their business.
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Nobody who "Richard" has made up accusations against should ever have a monument.
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Double murderer, left multiple children fatherless including his own infant, wife beater, defector to the USSR. Those are some good objections. On the pro side, though, at least people in Ft. Worth would have a place for their dogs to do their business.
And would he deserve his monument if all that he is accused of turns out to be not factual? o.k I will agree he defected and rightly so, the South of the U.S was not a pleasant place during this time, he must have hated living there, with all of the racism etc, considering he had good Socialist values, but everything else on your wicked list is not proven.
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And would he deserve his monument if all that he is accused of turns out to be not factual? o.k I will agree he defected and rightly so, the South of the U.S was not a pleasant place during this time, he must have hated living there, with all of the racism etc, considering he had good Socialist values, but everything else on your wicked list is not proven.
LOL. He didn't defect to Sweden but to the Soviet Union. Find a local library and read up on it sometime. Let us know if it was a "pleasant place during this time." Get back to us. Even nutty Oswald came back.
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LOL. He didn't defect to Sweden but to the Soviet Union. Find a local library and read up on it sometime. Let us know if it was a "pleasant place during this time." Get back to us. Even nutty Oswald came back.
Now you are Russia bashing, he went there to get a wife with class, stick to the question if innocent does he deserve a monument, considering all that his family has been put through by the twisted society and it's narrow minded people.
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LOL. He didn't defect to Sweden but to the Soviet Union. Find a local library and read up on it sometime. Let us know if it was a "pleasant place during this time." Get back to us. Even nutty Oswald came back.
When Oswald returned he said the USSR was a "slave system" and condemned the Communist Party of the US for its slavish support for it ("The Communist Party of the United States has betrayed itself").
He wrote: "The Soviets have committed crimes unsurpassed even by their early day capitalist counterparts, the imprisonment of their own peoples, with the mass extermination so typical of Stalin, and the individual suppression and regimentation under Khrushchev."
Even a crackpot like Oswald knew it was a hell hole.
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Maybe not a monument, but at the very least an apology.
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Maybe not a monument, but at the very least an apology.
A cop-killer would never be issued an apology. That's ludicrous.
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A cop-killer would never be issued an apology. That's ludicrous.
I think he was looking in Brewers shop window at shoes for his Daughter when the cop was being shot.
Mr. BELIN - Was he looking at the merchandise?
Mr. BREWER - Not anything in particular. He was just standing there staring.
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JFK is responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of thousands of lives ruined(just in Vietnam alone but don't worry, they don't really count) and yet he's still worshipped on forums like this one.
Oswald would have done the world a favor had it not been for another of Kennedy's responsiblities who followed him into that office.
JFK gave us not just Johnson but probably Brezhnev.
Think he might of worked with Krushchev a little from the start instead of fighting with him?
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A cop-killer would never be issued an apology. That's ludicrous.
Says the guy who can't prove he killed anybody.
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Says the guy who can't prove he killed anybody.
There you go again, prove to whom, you?
JohnM
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There you go again, prove to whom, you?
To anybody who doesn't already believe it on faith.
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To anybody who doesn't already believe it on faith.
Faith, is an apt description of the wide and unfocussed beliefs of your CT Brothers. Nice work!
JohnM
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Maybe not a monument, but at the very least an apology.
I'll drink to that!......Here's to Lee Oswald.....May the tarnish be removed his name...and may his heirs know that though he was too reckless, too naive, and too trusting of men in positions of power... he served his country well before being used (ab)used by a ruthless, cunning pirate.....
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His grave markers getting lifted, was probably by some teenagers
https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/the-long-strange-journey-of-lee-harvey-oswalds-tombstone-back-to-texas/
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Faith, is an apt description of the wide and unfocussed beliefs of your CT Brothers. Nice work!
That's true -- I've seen it on both sides.
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Monument to a wife beater, a Communist, a murderer, wow?
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JFK is responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of thousands of lives ruined...
What? How do you figure that? Don't be ignorant of the facts like the lone assassin guys who just want/ wish to.
Why did the war escalate after JFK's death?
https://www.history-matters.com/essays/vietnam/KennedyVietnam1971/KennedyVietnam1971.htm
Exit Strategy: In 1963, JFK ordered a complete withdrawal from Vietnam
In 1963, JFK ordered a complete withdrawal from Vietnam.
.... years have passed since November 22, 1963, yet painful mysteries remain. What, at the moment of his death, was John F. Kennedy?s policy toward Vietnam?
It?s one of the big questions, alternately evaded and disputed over four decades of historical writing. It bears on Kennedy?s reputation, of course, though not in an unambiguous way.
And today, larger issues are at stake as the United States faces another indefinite military commitment that might have been avoided and that, perhaps, also cannot be won. The story of Vietnam in 1963 illustrates for us the struggle with policy failure. More deeply, appreciating those distant events tests our capacity as a country to look the reality of our own history in the eye.
http://bostonreview.net/us/galbraith-exit-strategy-vietnam
https://whowhatwhy.org/2017/09/26/jfk-ordered-full-withdrawal-vietnam-solid-evidence/
https://www.thenation.com/article/jfks-vietnam-withdrawal-plan-fact-not-speculation/
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Monument to a wife beater, a Communist, a murderer, wow?
He was an American Communist, and what would be wrong in him having a monument? when his name gets cleared, of these horrific crimes which he found himself accused of.
The dogs in the street doubt his guilt, this can't be ignored, just because of spite anymore.
History needs the truth to heal the wounds which it has caused to exist today.
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Maybe not a monument, but at the very least an apology.
I'll drink to that!......Here's to Lee Oswald.....May the tarnish be removed his name...and may his heirs know that though he was too reckless, too naive, and too trusting of men in positions of power... he served his country well before being used (ab)used by a ruthless, cunning pirate.....
(https://i.imgur.com/7U03hs0.jpg)
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What objections would would be out there, to a large monument of Oswald being made and erected at his place of rest, or would any other place be more suitable for it??? I think it is time that this hero is remembered in the correct manner, what do others think? respectful comments please.
Only in Bizarro World would this be suggested. Either that or you are taking the piss.
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Dallas Wax Museum, I just don't know if it is still there....
(https://www.cardcow.com/images/set346/card00107_fr.jpg)
Venezuela is floundering, Nicaragua is shooting it's own people... but someone wants to plug communism? ::)
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Dallas Wax Museum, I just don't know if it is still there....
(https://www.cardcow.com/images/set346/card00107_fr.jpg)
Venezuela is floundering, Nicaragua is shooting it's own people... but someone wants to plug communism? ::)
Only someone NOT living in a communist regime would advocate communism. Even Oswald found that out to his dismay. If he'd got to Cuba I'm sure his life as a taxi driver would have been equally disappointing.
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From various wax museums.....
I didn't know Oswald only weighed 85 lbs
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/43/27/70/4327703191cfb0ffe48969a561e8762f.jpg)
The assassination of Frank Sinatra?
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ce/67/9a/ce679af7163e21819a0703affabfb16c--wax-museum-jack-oconnell.jpg)
I didn't know Ruby only weighed 125 lbs
(http://www.billcotter.com/misc/nywf64/wax-museum-jack-ruby.jpg)
Ruby's hat was white? Say it isn't so.
Oswald looks 95 yrs old....
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/wax-figures-of-jfk-assassin-lee-harvey-oswald-left-and-jack-ruby-are-picture-id141973600)
Here you go...a pop art poster
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-42Y7qM3T3So/WlHOEg8FguI/AAAAAAAALBo/wEUgnJZvyb0UvbbAgNPR9cPw2407sFICQCLcBGAs/s1600/cd%2Bout.jpg)
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Only someone NOT living in a communist regime would advocate communism. Even Oswald found that out to his dismay. If he'd got to Cuba I'm sure his life as a taxi driver would have been equally disappointing.
And besides this, we know that the Communist government of Cuba, Castro, did make threats back at Kennedy when they in Cuba, figured, we were trying to assassinate Castro, they made like-kind threats back, vs. mentioning this Milteer fellow. Pick whichever one then. Pacepa, that Romanian spy behind the Iron Curtain claims to have worked on the JFK assassination, I haven't read into depth on that lately. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Mihai_Pacepa
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That's right Bill, there are a number of reasons why Oswald's rifle rest boxes along with Oswald's prints were orientated down Elm Street.
That's great work, John.
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Dallas Wax Museum, I just don't know if it is still there....
(https://www.cardcow.com/images/set346/card00107_fr.jpg)
Venezuela is floundering, Nicaragua is shooting it's own people... but someone wants to plug communism? ::)
Wow, not bad... but notice the pinky shirt?! SOB's.
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From various wax museums.....
I didn't know Oswald only weighed 85 lbs
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/43/27/70/4327703191cfb0ffe48969a561e8762f.jpg)
Ouch, that's just not right.
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What? How do you figure that? Don't be ignorant of the facts like the lone assassin guys who just want/ wish to.
Why did the war escalate after JFK's death?
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Sorry brother but that's just the way I feel and LNT's worship JFK just as much, David Von Pein(god bless him) could be his biggest fan.
The withdrawal plan is complicated, I've read both sides of the argument and made my choice.
Things changed, the Diem murders gave the enemy and the whole society a boost of optimism but just the wrong kind for the US and if you were going to withdraw, what's the last thing you would do? I hope the answer is, "tell the enemy". The whole withdrawal issue is a joke to me, it's like I'm pumping you full of speed but "don't worry everybody, I'm taking the needle out, in a few years time". Focus on the withdrawal and ignore what he did over there before it, is what you have to do.
Who introduced AO into Vietnam, who approved it each time? How many are still effected to this day? Napalm reintroduced, concentration camps, the list goes on.
Who gave us LBJ?
What's two murders beside that?
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The Attaboys :D
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Sorry brother but that's just the way I feel and LNT's worship JFK just as much, David Von Pein(god bless him) could be his biggest fan.
The withdrawal plan is complicated, I've read both sides of the argument and made my choice.
Things changed, the Diem murders gave the enemy and the whole society a boost of optimism but just the wrong kind for the US and if you were going to withdraw, what's the last thing you would do? I hope the answer is, "tell the enemy". The whole withdrawal issue is a joke to me, it's like I'm pumping you full of speed but "don't worry everybody, I'm taking the needle out, in a few years time". Focus on the withdrawal and ignore what he did over there before it, is what you have to do.
Who introduced AO into Vietnam, who approved it each time? How many are still effected to this day? Napalm reintroduced, concentration camps, the list goes on.
Who gave us LBJ?
What's two murders beside that?
Who introduced AO into Vietnam,? Answer: The CIA who approved it each time? Answer : The CIA Who gave us LBJ? Answer: The CIA
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Sorry brother but that's just the way I feel and LNT's worship JFK just as much, David Von Pein(god bless him) could be his biggest fan.
The Diem murders gave the enemy and the whole society a boost of optimism but just the wrong kind for the US ...
Truth is the revelation of facts not feeling.
Fact- Diệm was assassinated during a CIA-backed coup d'?tat right before Kennedy was.
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I'm not here to bash JFK but I get triggered from time to time and I can't help myself, critisize Oswald all day and night but nothing bad ever said against Kennedy.
It was JFK who first approved the first use of AO in Vietnam and it was he who sanctioned it's use each time a request was made for another spraying, up until a few months before the end when he passed that responsibilty to someone else.
JFK fought for LBJ's inclusion on the ticket, despite others(like O'Donnell) telling him how ridiculous it looked but he won, so, he was right in the end(I guess).
Back on topic.
Worth another listen sometime.
All he was asking for is that diplomatic relations with Cuba be reinstituted, no complaints about the constant terroist attacks they were being subjected to.
Obviously he was young and inexperienced but ignore the way he's saying it and listen to what he was saying, a Dove asking for justice and fairplay.
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I'm not here to bash JFK but I get triggered from time to time and I can't help myself, critisize Oswald all day and night but nothing bad ever said against Kennedy.
If JFK had murdered Saint Oswald of Dallas I would be saying bad things about Kennedy believe me. ;)
There are plenty of issues to criticise JFK for including such as his slow reaction to the rampant racism in the south plus the perceived rights and wrongs of his foreign policy.
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I'm not here to bash JFK but I get triggered from time to time and I can't help myself, critisize Oswald all day and night but nothing bad ever said against Kennedy.
It was JFK who first approved the first use of AO in Vietnam and it was he who sanctioned it's use each time a request was made for another spraying, up until a few months before the end when he passed that responsibilty to someone else.
JFK fought for LBJ's inclusion on the ticket, despite others(like O'Donnell) telling him how ridiculous it looked but he won, so, he was right in the end(I guess).
Back on topic.
Worth another listen sometime.
All he was asking for is that diplomatic relations with Cuba be reinstituted, no complaints about the constant terroist attacks they were being subjected to.
Obviously he was young and inexperienced but ignore the way he's saying it and listen to what he was saying, a Dove asking for justice and fairplay.
Can anybody identify the man without a hat who is accompanying the Dallas Detectives who are surrounding Lee Oswald at the microphone in this You tube video. The man has dark hair, cut in a crew cut. Who is he??
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I'm not here to bash JFK but I get triggered from time to time and I can't help myself, critisize Oswald all day and night but nothing bad ever said against Kennedy.
It was JFK who first approved the first use of AO in Vietnam and it was he who sanctioned it's use each time a request was made for another spraying, up until a few months before the end when he passed that responsibilty to someone else.
JFK fought for LBJ's inclusion on the ticket, despite others(like O'Donnell) telling him how ridiculous it looked but he won, so, he was right in the end(I guess).
Back on topic.
Worth another listen sometime.
All he was asking for is that diplomatic relations with Cuba be reinstituted, no complaints about the constant terroist attacks they were being subjected to.
Obviously he was young and inexperienced but ignore the way he's saying it and listen to what he was saying, a Dove asking for justice and fairplay.
Sorry, off topic, but how do you like Putin's present-day use of Agent Orange...
;)
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Agent Orange
:D :D
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Do an image search for AO victims Vietnam and tell me whats so xxxxxxx funny.
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Do an image search for AO victims Vietnam and tell me whats so xxxxxxx funny.
I'm laughing at the POTUS. Did the joke slip past you?
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Ok Steve,
sure that commentators line "You can see his suntan all the way from here" only tickled me after I learnt that this "tan" was a product of all the drugs he was on to deal with results of an untreated STD and his poor back, which he got from flirting around a pool with girls. That be the ultimate ironic. Yes, clearly I missed your reference, so good one and ty.
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2548864.1456849115!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/gop-2016-trump.jpg)
Just when I thought I was out...
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Can anybody identify the man without a hat who is accompanying the Dallas Detectives who are surrounding Lee Oswald at the microphone in this You tube video. The man has dark hair, cut in a crew cut. Who is he??
T L Baker- Asst Homicide
(https://jfkinvestigators.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/baker-t-l-montage.jpg?w=458&h=174)
(https://jfkinvestigators.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/baker-tl-3-stca-153.jpg?w=447&h=335)
On the phone. Nov 22, 1963, 6:15PM.
(https://jfkinvestigators.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/baker-tl-12-dmn.jpg?w=255&h=388)
Photo above provided by Steve Roe. Dallas Morning News. July 25, 1956
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LHO was a troubled man and an abusive husband. Not a hero deserving of any kind of monument.
The only thing I find good about LHO is that he was quite Progressive on Racial Equality (somewhat unique for a White southerner in the 1960s).
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Regarding the radio interview clip ....
It sounds like the claim is that Oswald was arrested for passing out the FPFC literature.
Actually he was arrested when a scuffle ensued as 'anti-Castro individuals' arrived.
For all we know, the whole incident was staged [perhaps by persons unknown] to draw media attention to the event.
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Regarding the radio interview clip ....
It sounds like the claim is that Oswald was arrested for passing out the FPFC literature.
Actually he was arrested when a scuffle ensued as 'anti-Castro individuals' arrived.
For all we know, the whole incident was staged [perhaps by persons unknown] to draw media attention to the event.
For all we know, the whole incident was staged [perhaps by persons unknown] to draw media attention to the event.
For many years I've thought the event was staged....With Lee's knowledge. He was trying to infiltrate Castro's Bastion by pretending to be a communist revolutionary.
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LHO was a troubled man and an abusive husband. Not a hero deserving of any kind of monument.
The only thing I find good about LHO is that he was quite Progressive on Racial Equality (somewhat unique for a White southerner in the 1960s).
Any evidence that he was an abusive husband?
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Any evidence that he was an abusive husband?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,907.0.html (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,907.0.html)
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Do an image search for AO victims Vietnam and tell me whats so xxxxxxx funny.
Try to keep up. I'm referring to orange-hued KGB operative Tweetin' Donald Trump*
Also known as 'Putin's B*tch' since Helsinki
*The Kidnapper-In-Chief
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Try to keep up. I'm referring to orange-hued KGB operative Tweetin' Donald Trump*
Also known as 'Putin's B*tch' since Helsinki
*The Kidnapper-In-Chief
Funny coming from a country led by a Communist / Muslim Terrorist sympathizing cupcake.
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Funny coming from a country led by a Communist / Muslim Terrorist sympathizing cupcake.
Begins with a C and ends with an A ?
Those guys really love Donald Trump huh?
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Begins with a C and ends with an A ?
Those guys really love Donald Trump huh?
What guys?
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What guys?
What "country led by a Communist / Muslim Terrorist sympathizing cupcake"?
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Funny coming from a country led by a Communist / Muslim Terrorist sympathizing cupcake.
Says the redneck who supports the Groping Kidnapper-In-Chief KGB Agent Trump
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Says the redneck who supports the Groping Kidnapper-In-Chief KGB Agent Trump
Redneck? I was born and raised in the Italian/Irish neighborhood of East Boston, Massachusetts. We had had 5 trees in the entire city.
Redneck. :D
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For all we know, the whole incident was staged [perhaps by persons unknown] to draw media attention to the event.
For many years I've thought the event was staged....With Lee's knowledge. He was trying to infiltrate Castro's Bastion by pretending to be a communist revolutionary.
At least one man there was not in on it, one of the Bills, near the end;"Were you subsidized by the government?"
we all know which government he meant as did Lee, "No but I was at all times under the protection of the US", "uuuhhm I err"
remains a classic. Also the guy who sounds like tattoo, had nothing, nuuuthing, a total light weight.
"Shouldn't that be Fair Play for Russia Commitee"(since he went to USSR) :-X
"...and in Cuba we had more badges per person than Russia"
The word "communist" so taboo even LHO has to nervously laugh it off, in case he's tarred with that life endangering label.
On the topic of naughty monuments,
a guy travels from New Orleans to Texas, when he get's there, there's some natives waiting for him, they size each other up
and after some talk and a little trading they go their seperate ways, after this brief meeting this paleface knows that in order for his vision
of Texas to succeed he will have to kill every last one of these savages, not only thinks it but writes it down and publishes it and rest assured by the time of his death
this particular tribe were gone, wiped out.
Biggest monument available is named after him and lots more besides. Don't talk to me...