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Title: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on July 22, 2018, 05:51:20 PM
Without any doubt, Steve Thompson's work on the Zapruder film is the very best available (the best I've seen)!

I don't understand how anyone could watch this and not easily see that the fatal shot came from the front, and threw Kennedy's head toward the back of the car. The thrust of the car has nothing to do with this at all. This is pure physics. Any other conclusion is mis-informed and very likely an effort to be obscurant.

This is conclusive evidence of a conspiracy, IMO...
Thanks for the good work Steve!!

Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Richard Rubio on July 22, 2018, 05:58:42 PM
At first, around the 22, 23 second, his head does go forward. I guess, we will all see what we want to see.

Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on July 22, 2018, 06:14:20 PM
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At first, around the 22, 23 second, his head does go forward. I guess, we will all see what we want to see.

Thanks for posting.

Greer said he hit the brakes, thinking there was a flat tire...
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on July 23, 2018, 04:54:25 AM
 
If you are not from Dallas or are not familiar with the Dealey Plaza area layout...you will not notice the incredible distortion of the film from the beginning.
The film shows buildings that are actually blocks away from the actual scene.
Observe the first frames where just the motorcycle cops are shown... you will see a building that says --PURSE CO---
That is just not right. It wasn't there. The Records building should be there but it is not there in the film..The next building to the right of Records is the County Jail..Across from the jail [Main St] is the Old Dallas Courthouse. All of those buildings are still there.  Across from the Old Courthouse [Commerce St] is or was at the time... framework of the new courthouse ..which of course is complete now. I've seen this stuff many times before...I simply thought it was just an anomaly of some sort :o


   This is Z-25 the clearest frame I could find at the beginning of the clip @ the corner of Houston and Elm......where are those buildings?

(https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z025.jpg)


Notice the red light traffic signal?...Z-51 I can't figure out what intersection that could be at! Elm St was of course, one way going west. 


(https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z051.jpg)

 (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zrfDhYpSlOs/ULO8UlDXD6I/AAAAAAAAASk/v46psHRvBary Kampo/s800/Dealey-Plaza-Dallas-Texas-November-22-1963.jpg)
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on July 23, 2018, 09:17:49 PM
Also....
The people at the bottom of the frames [north side of Elm]....look like they are waiting for a bus rather than being parade observers who would at least wave at a visiting President :(
They maintain this [almost casual disinterest] until they are out of sight @ Z-200 or so ----

Z-114......


(https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z114.jpg)

Z-183 JFK is waving...why are they not waving back?

(https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z183.jpg)
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on July 23, 2018, 10:21:02 PM


Jerry, are you suggesting that this was somehow staged?
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on July 24, 2018, 12:29:31 AM
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Jerry, are you suggesting that this was somehow staged?

I am just saying that there is something really odd with that film.
 It is probably a case of a crappy camera and everything is distorted.
 I found a clear picture of the film site ....
Elm was blocked off -

(http://lotgk.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/dealeyplaza031.jpg)
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Richard Rubio on July 24, 2018, 03:02:40 AM
That's a keen observation @Jerry Freeman :

You know,  in the past, I went and looked for as many JFK motorcades as I could find... there are many, so maybe some would say the crowd waves... I know from the JFK library, there is the photo from Nashville. Are they waving? It looks like they are mainly clapping.

(http://archive2.jfklibrary.org/JFKWHP/1963/Month%2005/Day%2018/JFKWHP-1963-05-18-B/JFKWHP-ST-278-3-63.jpg)

Click on image to enlarge.

And as I have said earlier, there are a number of photos one can look at of other motorcades, LA, San Francisco, Milwaukee and so on.

When I see that picture of JFK in Nashville, the father of Al Gore, then governor of the state is in the car too,  I can't get over how wide out in the open JFK is. While, at youtube, if you hunt down his appearance in LA, the security is really high, SS flanking the car as it trolls along at a very low speed.

The above image seems to show "clapping" is more common than "waving".

The guys in suits and shades to me, look like Secret Service. They could all be bystanders for all I know.
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Richard Rubio on July 24, 2018, 03:09:47 AM
I've also found pictures of motorcades with:

Adlai Stevenson,

Ike with Khruschev, Ike by himself I believe, maybe one with Truman as well.

VP Richard Nixon.

It sure seems ill advised for the head of the state to be travelling around in the open.

Check JFK's motorcades for his Berlin visit. There too are some interesting photos and I opine, much better security. Somewhere in the Far East too, I believe.

As they say, hindsight is 20/20 but honestly, at the height of the cold war? And besides that, all of the civil rights unrest as well not just JFK but a few of these people were too wide open for comfort. That's all I'll say.

That up in Nashville per the prior post, that was probably 4 dignitaries in one car, even if one had no more than a knife, it looks like one could have inflicted some damage.
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on July 24, 2018, 03:30:45 AM
The film again in it's entirety ...slo-mo fairly smooth---


Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Richard Rubio on July 24, 2018, 03:58:11 AM
Eisenhower motorcade, oh, it would be sweet but I see little waving.... :D  , this looks to be in Yugoslavia.  Clapping clearly visible.

(https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/a8b3bef6795b4f3b8631ec33b959d919/yugoslavia-first-secretary-of-the-communist-party-of-the-soviet-union-ek3c4d.jpg)
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Patrick Jackson on July 25, 2018, 08:49:11 PM
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I am just saying that there is something really odd with that film.
 It is probably a case of a crappy camera and everything is distorted.
 I found a clear picture of the film site ....
Elm was blocked off -

(http://lotgk.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/dealeyplaza031.jpg)

Red frame represents where Z025 was and yellow frame is where Purse & Co sign was.
Not that the Zapruder position and this recent positions were not the same. Zapruder was bit more to the left of the position of the recent photo.
(https://s26.postimg.cc/jfc6vnvjt/dealeyplaza031.jpg)

Here is Z025 overlapping to recent photo.
(https://s26.postimg.cc/mm6qfbaux/dealeyplaza031_1.jpg)

And red arrow shows the building where the Purse & Co sign was, at the bottom of the building, not seen due to the shadow.
(https://s26.postimg.cc/ljwjwrkbt/Dealey-_Plaza-_Dallas-_Texas-_November-22-1963.jpg)

Again, nothing odd with Z film.
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Patrick Jackson on July 25, 2018, 09:18:48 PM
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Eisenhower motorcade, oh, it would be sweet but I see little waving.... :D  , this looks to be in Yugoslavia.  Clapping clearly visible.

(https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/a8b3bef6795b4f3b8631ec33b959d919/yugoslavia-first-secretary-of-the-communist-party-of-the-soviet-union-ek3c4d.jpg)

I think Eisenhower never went to Yugoslavia.
This is Nikita Khrushchev visiting Adriatic with Marshal Tito in 1963.
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Royell Storing on July 25, 2018, 09:59:53 PM
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Red frame represents where Z025 was and yellow frame is where Purse & Co sign was.
Not that the Zapruder position and this recent positions were not the same. Zapruder was bit more to the left of the position of the recent photo.
(https://s26.postimg.cc/jfc6vnvjt/dealeyplaza031.jpg)

Here is Z025 overlapping to recent photo.
(https://s26.postimg.cc/mm6qfbaux/dealeyplaza031_1.jpg)

And red arrow shows the building where the Purse & Co sign was, at the bottom of the building, not seen due to the shadow.
(https://s26.postimg.cc/ljwjwrkbt/Dealey-_Plaza-_Dallas-_Texas-_November-22-1963.jpg)

Again, nothing odd with Z film.

        The odd part about the Current Z Film still frame inserted above is that the Purse & Co Sign/Building was on the other side of Record St. This is somewhere Over 1/4 Mile away from the Zapruder Perch. Yet, we continue getting the yada, yada, yada, as to Zapruder's camera Zooming in on/Focusing in on the JFK Limo as an  explanation for the Black Dog Man Nook, The Steps, and that entire Knoll area being MIA in the Current Z Film. This is 100% Pure Baloney. 
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 25, 2018, 10:19:08 PM
So you don't expect a zoomed-in camera to pick up a sign 1/4 mile away?

(http://www.yim778.com/data/out/185/1178361.gif)
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Royell Storing on July 25, 2018, 10:52:48 PM
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So you don't expect a zoomed-in camera to pick up a sign 1/4 mile away?

(http://www.yim778.com/data/out/185/1178361.gif)

              Not sure what you believe "Zoomed In" means.  There is no innocent explanation for the Black Dog Man Nook/Steps to have been omitted from the Current Z Film vs that which was captured in other segments of this same film. A perfect example of what happened with the MIA BDM Nook/Steps is Groden's version of the Bell Film. Groden covertly removed The Cuban & The Umbrella Man seated on the retaining wall at the bottom of his version of the Bell Film.  This removal can be/has been done.
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Bill Chapman on August 04, 2018, 07:20:29 AM
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Without any doubt, Steve Thompson's work on the Zapruder film is the very best available (the best I've seen)!

I don't understand how anyone could watch this and not easily see that the fatal shot came from the front, and threw Kennedy's head toward the back of the car. The thrust of the car has nothing to do with this at all. This is pure physics. Any other conclusion is mis-informed and very likely an effort to be obscurant.

This is conclusive evidence of a conspiracy, IMO...
Thanks for the good work

Does shooting someone really cause them to fly backwards?
https://www.quora.com/Does-shooting-someone-really-cause-them-to-fly-backwards

Tim Dees, Retired cop and criminal justice professor
Reno Police Department, Reno Municipal Court

No. This does not happen. In fact, it could not happen.

Newton's Third Law of Motion, cribbed here from Wikipedia, states: "When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force F2 = −F1 on the first body. This means that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction." You can see a practical demonstration of this with one of those Newton's Cradle desk toys. Swing one of the steel balls outward and let it fall to hit the rest, and one of the balls on the opposite end moves. Swing two balls, and two on the opposite end move.

If a bullet had enough force behind it to hurl someone through the air when they were hit, a similar force would act on the person holding the gun that fired the bullet. This clearly doesn't happen, even when the bullets in question are big with a large powder charge behind them, like a .50 caliber or a rifled slug from a shotgun.

Most bullets--the actual projectile, not the entire cartridge that includes the powder, primer and casing--weigh only a few grams. A 125 grain .357 Magnum bullet (medium large, as handguns go) weighs about 8 grams, about 1/3 ounce. Coming out of the gun barrel, it's moving at around 750 miles per hour (1100 feet per second--this varies with the ammo and firearm in use, but is generally somewhere between 600 and 1800 feet per second), and slowing down from air friction. Converting that momentum calculation into units of force taxes my high school physics props (and someone here who is smarter than me will chime in and do it), but I think it's safe to say it's not nearly enough to move a 200 lb. man, or even a 5 lb. rabbit.

If the bullet had enough momentum to move something that large, it would probably just pass through on its way elsewhere, delivering a fraction of its momentum into the unfortunate soul who got in the way before moving on. This, in fact, does happen with high-velocity projectiles, especially those that are solid and hard so they keep their shape and don't deform. This is why most law enforcement officers have hollow-point bullets loaded in their guns. Hollow points are made of relatively soft lead and "mushroom" as they hit, offering more surface area and delivering most or all of their momentum into the target. This produces a larger and more damaging wound channel (please keep in mind that these were designed to kill people) and doesn't over-penetrate into Grandma, standing behind the bad guy.

When people get shot, especially in a vital area like the torso, they generally fall down in place. They aren't driven backward as if pushed by a giant invisible hand of fate. Cops who get hit with bullets into their soft body armor generally report the sensation as being like a bee sting or a hard punch, not a charging bull. The stuff you see in movies is just that--movie stuff.
Title: Re: Steve Thompson's Zapruder slow-mo.... amazing!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on August 09, 2018, 12:09:06 AM
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Does shooting someone really cause them to fly backwards?
Well....watch this--------------