Hey, Patrick. If Chita's cousin was indeed Officer, Roscoe White, he looks as stunned as everyone else.
I highly doubt he would have been involved.
Roscoe White had a day off on 11/22/63.
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Why do you think that every person anywhere near the TSBD that day wearing a plaid looking shirt is the same person?
No.
On the day of the assassination, Roscoe White was in training (had yet to even go through the Police Academy) and was assigned to assist members of the Dallas Police Crime Scene Search Section, who were investigating a home burglary in North Dallas. The assignment took most of the morning and according to John Burton (one of White's training classmates and White's partner that particular morning), would have not allowed White to get to Dealey Plaza in time to take part in the assassination.
Interesting. Do you have any document on this?
If he was on training investigating burglary that would explain his presence in Homicide and Robbery Bureau, office 317 in DPD at 2PM.
FBI determination after interviewing police sources.
Dale Myers 1996 interview with Dallas Police dispatch supervisor James Bowles.
In her interview for Texas monthly in December 1990 issue, Geneva White speaking about 11/22/63 stated: "But then he (Roscoe) came home around seven (PM), just like always." What shift would the be? First, second, were there shifts? If he spent the whole morning investigating burglary, his shift would be first? Or he went to his training on-call?
Don't you realize that pretty much every bit of Ricky White's claims were shown to be fraudulent and Geneva was in on it with him? Once you realize this, then you should also realize that she can't be taken at her word in any interview.
Of course I know this. But the thing is are all her words fraudulent? Something must me true. She stated Roscoe came home at 7PM, just like always. Why would she lie about this? Not too important thing to lie about. If she lied about this, what would be the truth? Roscoe was working first shift coming home 4PM?
Have to search on Roscoe more.
The assignment (at the residential burglary site in North Dallas) took most of the morning and would not have allowed White to get to Dealey Plaza in time. However, that is not to say that White was done working for the day once the assignment in North Dallas finished.
Here is a quote from JFK and the End of America book:
"White was not a real cop, but he was paid city employee in training to be a cop. So he had access to a police uniform, but he was not officially on assignment that day (11/22/63)."
Further down on the same page of a book there is a description that Beverly Oliver saw White on a grassy knol wearing uniform. So many misleading clues about White.
Don't you realize that pretty much every bit of Ricky White's claims were shown to be fraudulent and Geneva was in on it with him? Once you realize this, then you should also realize that she can't be taken at her word in any interview.
And so I guess we're supposed to take YOUR word for that?(http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/popcorn_eating.gif)
Yes, Bill actually thinks that if he states something as a fact then it actually becomes a fact.
So then you believe Roscoe White and his mother Geneva. It makes sense now.
Beverly Oliver LOL
If you think Geneva was Roscoe White's mother, then you have no business evaluating what is factual.
Dale Myers LOL
You believe Beverly Oliver. It makes sense now.
When did I ever say that? Do you ever get tired of making sh!t up?
Okay. So, you do not believe Beverly Oliver and instead, you were simply doing your best to reply to every single post made on this forum.
Before the Forum was hacked there was a good discussion about Gorilla Lovelady person and famous plaid shirt. Did Billy Nolan Lovelady really had that plaid shirt, is he the person on Altgens 6... Many questions without answers.
In my modest, armchair research I have reached the conclusion that the person seen on Martin/Hughes films, wearing red plaid shirt, later seen in DPD office when LHO was brought in, I think that person was Roscoe White.
I don't understand the purpose of this discussion. Summarized, the hypothesis is:
a) Billy Lovelady and Gorilla Lovelady are two different individuals
b) Gorilla Lovelady is Officer-in-Training Roscoe White
c) Roscoe White was not involved in the assassination
d) the assassination was faked as per Patrick's previous hypothesis
Then why debate it? What are we trying to establish here?
I don't understand the purpose of this discussion. Summarized, the hypothesis is:
a) Billy Lovelady and Gorilla Lovelady are two different individuals
b) Gorilla Lovelady is Officer-in-Training Roscoe White
c) Roscoe White was not involved in the assassination
d) the assassination was faked as per Patrick's previous hypothesis
Then why debate it? What are we trying to establish here?
The reason is simple. People see what they want to see, not what's actually there. It happens all of the time in this case.
The purpose is to prove it. To attract more researchers and try to find more photos of Roscoe White. Once we do this, we will prove that Billy Nolan Lovelady was not wearing that plaid shirt.
Suppose you can prove that Billy Lovelady was not wearing a plaid shirt. This will lead us to...where exactly?
You are a determined and persistent researcher Patrick, but sometimes I feel you are chasing windmills. No disrespect intended.
You don't get it.
You stated that you know that I post in threads (plural) without having read through the thread first.
This would lead us to BNL not on Altgens 6, to BNL was forced to say he was wearing plaid shirt, BNL not being in DPD at 2PM... This would lead us to things not directly connected to Oswald and JFK but would help us understand what was going on.
I am not the only one chasing windmills here, am I? I have set my idea of fake assassination and trying to find proofs. Not to make proofs but find them.
The thing with Roscoe/Lovelady is that we still have less than 10 photos of them so you cannot prove anything. Same as other things.
so you cannot prove anything.
I am not on this thread to prove anything Patrick. I was just curious about your motivations for starting this discussion.
In the OP you state that you believe Gorilla Lovelady might have been Roscoe White right?
Bill Brown has handed you a lead hasn't he? He says that White was on an assignment (the investigation of a burglary if I remember correctly) in another part of Dallas and nowhere near Dealey Plaza. That means there must be a report, or reports, of that investigation. There should be time sheets too.
Why don't you ask Bill for his sources? I think he said it was the Dale Myers book, perhaps he can look at the sources Myers used. If Bill is unable or unwilling to do so, you can ask Myers himself, he has his own website.
I think this line of enquiry is way much better then trying to find as many pictures as you can of White and Billy Lovelady. But it is up to you of course. Good luck with your research.
So now the word-game-du-jour is to quibble over the meaning of the letter "s"?
I don't care. I'm merely pointing out that 11 degrees off is not the "same direction". Nor is 3 degrees off. Same direction means zero degrees.
But I've seen you do this "just checking in" thing many times before.
There is a big difference between "thread" and "threads".
And... speaking of "word-game-du-jour"... you play the game when it suits you and abandon it when it does not (below):
Than in Zapruder walking towards TSBD
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I'm pretty sure the one above is Betzner.
Pinkish shirt and light slacks, you can pick him out in Z on Elm and even better in Dorman.
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More thread hijacking.
Just stop lying and shut up already.
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Uhhh... it doesn't work that way. He is the biggest piece of this forum!
More games. You have posted hearsay as your source. It does NOT matter if you admit this or not as that is what your source is.
I have spent a few hours looking for a document that supports the story that Roscoe White spent part of November 22nd 1963 investigating a burglary. I could not find such a document (report or something like that), which does not mean it doesn't exist. His personnel file is online, although some of the scans are real bad, hardly legible.
I think Ricky White's story, that his father was an assassin for a US intelligence agency with the codename 'Mandarin' who shot the President and killed officer Tippit is a hoax. A money making scheme. Outrageous what people do to make a buck.
How exactly is Ricky White making a buck off of this story?
How exactly is Ricky White making a buck off of this story?
The claim was not that Ricky White was making money off the scheme.
I think Ricky White's story, that his father was an assassin for a US intelligence agency with the codename 'Mandarin' who shot the President and killed officer Tippit is a hoax. A money making scheme. Outrageous what people do to make a buck.
I think you're again not reading threads before posting.
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Stop being condescending, especially when you're flat out wrong.
Jeffrey van de Wiel never said that Ricky White was making money.
If you're going to appoint yourself Joffrey's spokesman, you should at least get his name right.
But he already retracted his statement. Are you saying that you know what Joffrey was trying to say better than Joffrey does? You've taken your word games to a whole new level!
If you're going to appoint yourself Joffrey's spokesman, you should at least get his name right.
But he already retracted his statement. Are you saying that you know what Joffrey was trying to say better than Joffrey does? You've taken your word games to a whole new level!
You have NOT shown that White was in DP at the time of the assassination. End of story.
Beverly Oliver LOL
Beverly Oliver LOL
I don't recall, I read it a while ago. Don't remember exactly where or what site it was. Since I have no time to hunt the information down, I will retract my statement. Good enough?Harold W: Not a single word[is correct]... complete fabrication.
Harold W: Not a single word[is correct]... complete fabrication.
Harold Weisberg, former OSS/CIA intelligence operative, and a buddy of both the Dulles brothers. (Wonder how many people knew that?!?!) Foster was also a customer of Weisberg (Weisberg ran a large poultry farm literary on the site of the Pentagon).
A letter from Col.Fletcher Prouty to Harold Weisberg, dated 07/12/91
(Below -- the first letter: is to Prouty from Weisberg -- a reply to the 2nd letter from Prouty)
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/P%20Disk/Prouty%20L%20Fletcher/Item%2032.pdf
The 10th paragraph in the letter Prouty mentions how Weisberg knew both the Dulles brothers socially.
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From another letter to Col.Prouty from Weisberg he mentions Foster Dulles' kitchen. about 4th paragraph in http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/P%20Disk/Prouty%20L%20Fletcher/Item%2038.pdf
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Not found any Weisberg admission of knowing both Dulles brothers. But it's kind of strange to me that a JFK researcher would also be friendly with them. Some of Weisberg's other letters to various people, one by the name of 'Ed' they discuss Prouty, and his book The Secret Team. Weisberg had Prouty on the radar for a long time before he struck up a correspondence friendship -- just before the JFK movie came out. Prouty had worked on the film. Weisberg allegedly leaked the 1st draft of the JFK movie script to George Lardner of the Washington Post. The 1st draft Weisberg handed over was used to discredit the film.
Weisberg talking to someone called Ed in 1973 about Prouty. Prouty's book had came out around the time, and he was doing to the rounds discussing the JFK assassination, and Daniel Ellsberg/Pentagon Papers on network TV.
Interesting Weisberg was keeping tabs on Prouty since the 70s http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/P%20Disk/Prouty%20L%20Fletcher/Item%2039.pdf
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Wonder if Weisberg was also a buddy of Ed Lansdale.
All of that doesn't dispel the hokey story given about the killing of Officer Tippit that White relays.
As for Ed Lansdale? Let's see some proof.
Max Boot wrote a book on Lansdale, "The Road Not Taken":
Article on Max Boot and his book on Lansdale: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/max-boot-resurrects-the-lansdale-legend/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Lansdale
Really, some of what the CTs say is just slander. By the way, Boot mentions this briefly in the video.
Some real evidence is needed.
And Boot, I don't really agree with a lot of what he says but he is seen as a major columnist nowadays, born in Moscow:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Boot
https://twitter.com/MaxBoot
Nothing to tie Lansdale to the JFK assassination except some picture of the back of a guy's head. Watch the video and find out more about Lansdale and then, contemplate, could he have been indeed involved?
Tippit wasn't alone when he was shot? Right. Also, there is an airport named after one of the Dulles', Washington DC; Lansdale was in the CIA and a higher up, I guess, at some point he must have known the Dulles'. Another so-what?
To Jeff Orr
RE: The names of the ships used in the Bay of Pigs operation that were named for the BUSH family.
I was asked to locate three transport vessels to support the Bay of Pigs landing.I was able to get them and sent them to a U.S. Navy base in North Carolina where they were prepared for that operation. In the process they were painted and then given the names: HOUSTON, ZAPATA,and BARBABA. The name Houston was where Bush's business was. Zapata was trhe name of his oil company. Barbra was the name of his wife. Whoever selected those names certainly knew Geroge Bush in 1960.
L. Fletcher Prouty
Love to see this big ring Prouty spoke of.
White's price? $750k.
http://dperry1943.com/ctkawhite.html (http://dperry1943.com/ctkawhite.html)
Bill Brown plays word games to deflect and derail. The best way to respond is to just refuse to play.
You're a slippery one. You posted your hearsay as a source without ever saying that it was hearsay. When I told Joffrey you admitted that it was I simply gave you too much credit (and I have said this multiple times) as an honest person would have, but you had not up to the point. You continued to push your hearsay as evidence. You're dishonest.
Eventually you did admit it as it has been posted before. It doesn't matter what you say as you lie constantly. The bottom line is you dishonestly posted years later hearsay as evidence for showing that Roscoe White was not in DP at the time of the assassination WITHOUT stipulating that this was hearsay.
Take your games and move on.
Yeah, you're right Rob, Bill is dishonest. He even committed ID theft once and was banned from the ED forum for it...oh, wait a minute...I'm wrong... it wasn't Bill..that was YOU. :D
ID theft. LOL. I used a public picture. .
You used a photo of one of your Facebook friends.
Prove it.
Are you denying you were banned from the ED forum for ID theft? Would you like me to produce proof from Kathy Becket, the ED moderator who banned you?