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Title: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Tom Graves on August 09, 2026, 11:54:17 PM
It seems Amos Euins may have been mistaken or lying in "The Lost Bullet" when he said he crouched behind the pillar that we now know Toni Glover was standing on when the presidential limousine passed by.

It turns out that he may have been sitting on the pillar opposite Toni's (Howard Brennan was sitting on the curved wall between them).

To see for yourself, go to the 00:37 mark in the Mark Bell film, and look at Z-170 and Z-176 (in which it can be seen that the kid I'm talking about is a Black kid, and he's wearing his light-colored jacket and sitting on the wall directly above Robert Croft.

MARK BELL FILM
 



ZAPRUDER FILM

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z176.jpg



Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Tom Graves on August 10, 2026, 07:40:30 AM
It seems Amos Euins was either mistaken or lying in "The Lost Bullet" when he said he crouched behind the pillar that we now know Toni Glover was standing on when the presidential limousine passed by.

It turns out that he was sitting on the pillar opposite Toni's (Howard Brennan was sitting on the curved wall between them).

To see for yourself, go to the 00:37 mark in the Mark Bell film, and look at Z-170 and Z-176 (in which it can be seen that the kid I'm talking about is a Black kid, and he's wearing his light-colored jacket and sitting on the wall directly above Robert Croft.

MARK BELL FILM
 



ZAPRUDER FILM

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z176.jpg



Scroll about half-way down to the large, tilted Martin film GIF by Robin Unger.

I looks to me as though the person I think is Amos Euins is waving to JFK and Jackie with his hat.

https://www.patspeer.com/chapter-7b-more-pieces-in-the-plaza

Euins had a hat with him that day, as we can see in a photo that was taken of him in the railway yard / parking lot after the assassination.

Scroll down about half-way to the cropped photo in which his name appears in yellow letters.

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29832-man-in-tan-jacket-in-hughes/
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Royell Storing on August 10, 2026, 03:30:08 PM


Scroll about half-way down to the large, tilted Martin film GIF by Robin Unger.

I looks to me as though the person I think is Amos Euins is waving to JFK and Jackie with his hat.

https://www.patspeer.com/chapter-7b-more-pieces-in-the-plaza

Euins had a hat with him that day, as we can see in a photo that was taken of him in the railway yard / parking lot after the assassination.

Scroll down about half-way to the cropped photo in which his name appears in yellow letters.

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29832-man-in-tan-jacket-in-hughes/


    "The Lost Bullet". It has AMOS EUINS detailing his own story. He is standing directly beside the Pedestal he hid behind. He says so directly. He even pounds out the cadence of the 3 shots he heard. He does so on the top of this same pedestal. POW....POW/POW!  YOU just do Not want to accept it. Juror DISMISSED!
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Duncan MacRae on August 10, 2026, 07:59:41 PM
The Figure in question appears to have a strapped Camera Bag/Case, with the strap over his shoulder.
Amos Euins said that he had a Camera with him and that he lost it, see Video below.
 

(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/amos1.jpg)

(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/amos2.gif)

(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Amos3.gif)


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmXVfL1nE2RHH4dnBqwRYONLN5HwGesg7xjkp3qisTxQ&s=10)
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Tom Graves on August 10, 2026, 10:03:23 PM
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Nice catch, Duncan!
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Royell Storing on August 11, 2026, 06:05:29 AM
The Figure in question appears to have a strapped Camera Bag/Case, with the strap over his shoulder.
Amos Euins said that he had a Camera with him and that he lost it, see Video below.
 

(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/amos1.jpg)

(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/amos2.gif)

(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Amos3.gif)


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmXVfL1nE2RHH4dnBqwRYONLN5HwGesg7xjkp3qisTxQ&s=10)

    I see the figure Clapping his hands. The line down his back is Not a camera strap. It extends almost Straight Down the center of the back, goes below the Belt/Waist Line and down to the crotch. No camera strap would do this. I also see a suited man, wearing a hat, somewhere on the other side of Elm St. This man is being mistaken as being something in the lap of the figure sitting on the pedestal.
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on August 11, 2026, 06:16:20 AM
    I see the figure Clapping his hands. The line down his back is Not a camera strap. It extends almost Straight Down the center of the back, goes below the Belt/Waist Line and down to the crotch. No camera strap would do this. I also see a suited man, wearing a hat, somewhere on the other side of Elm St. This man is being mistaken as being something in the lap of the figure sitting on the pedestal.
definitely looks like suspenders, oui?
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Tom Graves on August 11, 2026, 06:28:20 AM
I see the figure clapping his hands. The line down his back is not a camera strap. It extends almost straight down the center of the back, goes below the belt/waistline and down to the crotch. No camera strap would do this. I also see a suited man, wearing a hat, somewhere on the other side of Elm St. This man is being mistaken as being something in the lap of the figure sitting on the pedestal.

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

The strap goes almost straight down because Euins was quite short.

You can see a shiny spot (not the really bright spot which is the sunlight shining through) on the camera's leather case which is lying semi-suspended behind him on the pedestal.

The thing in his lap may very well be his "pork pie" hat.

-- Tom
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Royell Storing on August 11, 2026, 05:24:02 PM
Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

The strap goes almost straight down because Euins was quite short.

You can see a shiny spot (not the really bright spot which is the sunlight shining through) on the camera's leather case which is lying semi-suspended behind him on the pedestal.

The thing in his lap may very well be his "pork pie" hat.

-- Tom

        There are far better/clearer copies of this image. But, you obviously have Not searched them out. What new? There are also images of Euins holding his hat. It is NOT a Pork Pie Hat.  Which ALL goes back to what I frequently mention in connection to Yourself. Your JFK Assassination Foundational Knowledge is extremely limited. You have a computer, but consistently refuse to put in the time to expand your JFK Assassination foundation. In short, You Are Lazy.     
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Tom Graves on August 11, 2026, 07:16:25 PM
        There are far better/clearer copies of this image. But, you obviously have Not searched them out. What new? There are also images of Euins holding his hat. It is NOT a Pork Pie Hat.  Which ALL goes back to what I frequently mention in connection to Yourself. Your JFK Assassination Foundational Knowledge is extremely limited. You have a computer, but consistently refuse to put in the time to expand your JFK Assassination foundation. In short, You Are Lazy.   

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

You sound desperate.

Do you agree that the person we're talking about is a black kid?

Do you agree that he's Amos Euins?

What kind of hat do you think Euins has in those other images?

A fedora?

A baseball cap?

A beanie with a propeller like you're probably wearing?

-- Tom


Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Tom Graves on August 11, 2026, 08:55:19 PM
Devil's advocate:

Is this Euins, wearing his hat in the foreground of the Robert Hughes clip?

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cNGssptTDec/U1guiEn2hnI/AAAAAAAAFr4/9EG6vnFLI4M/s1600/HUghes%2Bgif%2Bshows%2BLovelady%2Bmovement.gif
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Royell Storing on August 11, 2026, 08:55:29 PM
Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

You sound desperate.

Do you agree that the person we're talking about is a black kid?

Do you agree that he's Amos Euins?

What kind of hat do you think Euins has in those other images?

A fedora?

A baseball cap?

A beanie with a propeller like you're probably wearing?

-- Tom

   Other than yourself, who believes that is Euins? Even Euins on "The Lost Bullet" completely rules this out.
   The interesting part of the Euins story is the photo showing him in the parking lot area with the string of train cars deep in the background. During his WC Testimony Euins hand drew his journey after the kill shot. At no point did he include being anywhere close to that parking lot area. But, your shallow JFK Assassination Foundation leaves you in the dark regarding this gaping hole in the Euins WC Testimony. What new?
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Tom Graves on August 11, 2026, 09:12:59 PM
Other than yourself, who believes that is Euins sitting on the pedestal in the Mark Bell clip?

You didn't answer my question, Stormtrooper Storing:

Is the person we're talking about (sitting on the pedestal in the Bell clip) a Black kid?

Quote
Even Euins on "The Lost Bullet" completely rules this out.

Wowie zowie.

Must not be him, then.

And JFK's and Jackie's waving to Mary Woodward and her three journalism colleagues around Z-180 must have been, as she said, before the "backfire-like" first, missing-everything, shot rang out, huh?

And, as Karen Westbrook told smilin' 'n noddin' Stephen Fagin, she, Gloria Calvert (sic) and . . .  uhh . . . Carol Reed(?) can be seen standing "next to" the Stemmons Freeway sign in Zapruder, huh?

LOL!

-- Tom

Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Royell Storing on August 11, 2026, 09:51:02 PM
Devil's advocate:

Is this Euins, wearing his hat in the foreground of the Robert Hughes clip?

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cNGssptTDec/U1guiEn2hnI/AAAAAAAAFr4/9EG6vnFLI4M/s1600/HUghes%2Bgif%2Bshows%2BLovelady%2Bmovement.gif

    You are a laugh riot. It's obvious that you no idea what Euins looked like on 11/22/63. Do some research and familiarize with what Amos Euins looked like/was wearing on 11/22/63. Then, we can have an intelligent discussion.
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Tom Graves on August 11, 2026, 09:56:00 PM

You are a laugh riot. It's obvious that you no idea what Euins looked like on 11/22/63. Do some research and familiarize with what Amos Euins looked like/was wearing on 11/22/63. Then, we can have an intelligent discussion.

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

Why don't you want to tell me whether or not you think the kid sitting on the pedestal in the Mark Bell clip (and who can be seen in Z-176) is Black?

(https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z176.jpg)

Also, when did you become such a defensive jerk?

-- Tom
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Royell Storing on August 11, 2026, 10:24:46 PM
Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

Why don't you want to tell me whether or not you think the kid sitting on the pedestal in the Mark Bell clip (and who can be seen in Z-176) is Black?

(https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z176.jpg)

Also, when did you become such a defensive jerk?

-- Tom

   Do you really believe this image shows that pedestal? You have no idea: (1) What Euins looked like, (2) What Euins was wearing, (3) The location of the Pedestal. Every post you make reveals you have No Idea what you are talking about. Do The Research!
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Tom Graves on August 11, 2026, 10:36:37 PM
You have no idea: (1) What Euins looked like, (2) What Euins was wearing, (3) The location of the Pedestal.

Dear Full-of-Poop Stormtrooper Storing,

That's a suggestion I refuse to accept.

-- Tom

PS Is the kid (you do agree that he's a kid, don't you?) sitting on the pedestal in the Mark Bell film Black?

PPS Can you find Euins in any other photos or films that were taken as the limo was passing the TSBD?

How about at the 00:28 mark in the Elsie Dorman film (in which we can see Toni Glover and her mother)?

Gasp . . . Did the evil, evil, bad guys make sure he didn't appear in it?

What a joke you are.

Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Royell Storing on August 11, 2026, 11:44:53 PM
Dear Full-of-Poop Stormtrooper Storing,

That's a suggestion I refuse to accept.

-- Tom

PS Is the kid (you do agree that he's a kid, don't you?) sitting on the pedestal in the Mark Bell film Black?

PPS Can you find Euins in any other photos or films that were taken as the limo was passing the TSBD?

How about at the 00:28 mark in the Elsie Dorman film (in which we can see Toni Glover and her mother)?

Gasp . . . Did the evil, evil, bad guys make sure he didn't appear in it?

What a joke you are.


   Calling me names will Not substitute for your lack of knowledge. It is difficult to talk with you when you have very little JFK Assassination Foundation. You do Not even know where that perch is specifically located. You gotta LEARN to walk before you can run. And here you are still crawling around on all 4's. And you're Not doing anything to better your situation. You're lazy.
Title: Re: Amos Euins can be seen in the Zapruder and Mark Bell films
Post by: Tom Graves on August 11, 2026, 11:51:07 PM
It is difficult to talk with you when you have very little JFK Assassination Foundation.

Dear Mr. Storing,

Is the kid (you do agree that he's a kid, don't you?) sitting on the pedestal in the Mark Bell film Black?

Can you find Amos Euins in any other photos or films that were taken as the limo was passing the TSBD?

How about at the 00:28 mark in the Elsie Dorman film (in which we can see Toni Glover and her mother)?

Hmm?

-- Tom
Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Duncan MacRae on August 12, 2026, 12:37:01 PM
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Amos4b.jpg)
Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Tom Graves on August 12, 2026, 12:49:46 PM
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Amos4b.jpg)

That's very convincing, Duncan.

Thanks for posting it!
Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Royell Storing on August 12, 2026, 02:27:41 PM
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Amos4b.jpg)

   This is Not Euins. (1) Look at this person's height vs those around him. This person is just about the same height as those standing around him. Euins was Extremely SHORT. (2) If the person STANDING on Houston St as the JFK motorcade passes by is supposed to be Euins, how is this same person also then seated on the pedestal facing Elm St as the JFK Motorcade passes by? (3) The alleged "strap" across this person's shoulder is running at a 45 Degree Angle across his back. The "line" across the kid's back that is seated on the pedestal is running STRAIGHT DOWN his back and into his crotch.  The person above is Not Euins. It is Not Euins on many levels.
Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Royell Storing on August 12, 2026, 05:16:44 PM
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Amos4b.jpg)

   
    DUNCAN - Thanks for posting this Elsie Dorman still frame. I took a good look at this entire Dorman film snippet. We are Not looking at Amos Euins above. This figure is easily: (1) Too Tall, (2) Head Too Large, (3) Hands Too Large, and (4) Shoulders Too Wide.  The figure above is much larger than Amos Euins was on 11/22/63
Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Duncan MacRae on August 12, 2026, 05:28:46 PM
Amos Euins on the grass in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.

(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Pointing1.gif)
Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Royell Storing on August 12, 2026, 05:46:32 PM
Amos Euins on the grass in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.

(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Pointing1.gif)

   Thanks for posting the above. This is on the (S) side of Elm St. Euins was also photographed inside the railroad yard/parking lot with the string of passenger train cars in the far background. The route Euins drew during his WC Testimony, showed him crossing the Island, and then walking across the Elm St Extension. Somehow, he left out going down the (S) side of Elm St, crossing Elm St, and then ending up in the railroad yard/parking lot. There are many gaping holes in the Euins story. His alleged "camera" being yet another mystery.
Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Tom Graves on August 13, 2026, 01:09:40 AM
Thanks for posting the above. This is on the (S) side of Elm St. Euins was also photographed inside the railroad yard/parking lot with the string of passenger train cars in the far background. The route Euins drew during his WC Testimony, showed him crossing the Island, and then walking across the Elm St Extension. Somehow, he left out going down the (S) side of Elm St, crossing Elm St, and then ending up in the railroad yard/parking lot. There are many gaping holes in the Euins story. His alleged "camera" being yet another mystery.

Not everyone is blessed with a perfect memory like yours, Stormtrooper Storing.
Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Royell Storing on August 13, 2026, 01:18:38 AM
Not everyone is blessed with a perfect memory like yours, Stormtrooper Storing.

   Are you claiming that Euins simply forgot: (1) walking down the (S) side of Elm St, (2) crossing Elm St, and (3) going back inside the parking lot/railroad yard?  Euins was a teenager on 11/22/63. If you have raised a teenager, did you let them getaway with memory loss of this magnitude? Use your own life experience when appraising situations such as this.
Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Duncan MacRae on August 13, 2026, 11:19:05 AM
Euins was also photographed inside the railroad yard/parking lot with the string of passenger train cars in the far background
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Gallery/Cancellare%20Gallery/cancellare_5_small.jpg)
Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Tom Graves on August 13, 2026, 11:50:59 AM
Are you claiming that Euins simply forgot: (1) walking down the south side of Elm Street, (2) crossing Elm Street, and (3) going back inside the parking lot/railroad yard?

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

How does this fit in with your tinfoil-hat JFKA CT?

-- Tom

Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Royell Storing on August 13, 2026, 05:27:14 PM
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Gallery/Cancellare%20Gallery/cancellare_5_small.jpg)

   DUNCAN - Thanks for posting the above photo.
                   The photo I am talking about is different. It shows Euins amidst a group of people that are closer to/maybe within the parking lot. The train is also further back and you can see several of the passenger train cars.  Also, you can see that Large Arching Structure in the background. This "Arch" can also be seen in film footage shot from Elm St toward the general area where the parking lot ends and the Top of the Triple Underpass begins. I checked the Cancellare photos in the photo gallery here, and the photo I am talking about was not there. There has to be a reason why Euins left his entire railroad yard junket out of the mapping of his movements after the kill shot.
Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Duncan MacRae on August 13, 2026, 06:18:30 PM
Euins amidst a group of people that are closer to/maybe within the parking lot

(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Gallery/Murray%20Gallery/murrayscan2_small.jpg)
Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Tom Graves on August 13, 2026, 06:23:31 PM
   DUNCAN - Thanks for posting the above photo.
                   The photo I am talking about is different. It shows Euins amidst a group of people that are closer to/maybe within the parking lot. The train is also further back and you can see several of the passenger train cars.  Also, you can see that Large Arching Structure in the background. This "Arch" can also be seen in film footage shot from Elm St toward the general area where the parking lot ends and the Top of the Triple Underpass begins. I checked the Cancellare photos in the photo gallery here, and the photo I am talking about was not there. There has to be a reason why Euins left his entire railroad yard junket out of the mapping of his movements after the kill shot.

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

How does this fit in with your tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theory?

-- Tom
Title: Re: Can Amos Euins be seen in the Zapruder or Mark Bell films?
Post by: Royell Storing on August 13, 2026, 06:28:42 PM
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Gallery/Murray%20Gallery/murrayscan2_small.jpg)

   DUNCAN - Thanks. That's the pic! I'll make a note that this pic is a Murray. This photo also makes it clear how "small" Euins was in comparison to an adult. Murray also took one of the few photos that was shot straight down the Elm St Extension.