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The JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Tom Graves on July 22, 2026, 12:30:06 AM
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Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett, who was sitting on the passenger-side rear seat of the follow-up car and who can be seen in Z-145 starting to lean to his right to see around Dave Powers, came the closest to correctly describing Oswald's three shots.
Unfortunately, Bennett's favorite words seem to have been words like "immediately" and "exact." This is part of what he wrote by hand on 11/22/63 in CE 2112, WC 24 H 542. My comments are in brackets.
“At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, [started leaning to my right to see around Dave Powers and] looked at the Boss's car. At this exact [actually, about five seconds later] time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second shoot [sic] followed immediately [actually, about five seconds later] and hit the right rear high of [?] the boss's head.”
The important thing is that Bennett confirms that the "firecracker sound" was before he started "looking at the Boss' car," and that while doing so he saw a bullet (CE-399) hit JFK in the lower neck/upper back around Z-222.
I contend that the "firecracker" sound was Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.
Secret Service Agent Glen Bennet starts leaning to his right to see around Dave Powers in Z-145:
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z145.jpg
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Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett, who was sitting on the passenger-side rear seat of the follow-up car and who can be seen in Z-145 starting to lean to his right to see around Dave Powers, came the closest to correctly describing Oswald's three shots.
Unfortunately, Bennett's favorite words seem to have been words like "immediately" and "exact." This is part of what he wrote by hand on 11/22/63 in CE 2112, WC 24 H 542. My comments are in brackets.
“At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, [started leaning to my right to see around Dave Powers and] looked at the Boss's car. At this exact [actually, about five seconds later] time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second shoot [sic] followed immediately [actually, about five seconds later] and hit the right rear high of [?] the boss's head.”
The important thing is that Bennett confirms that the "firecracker sound" was before he started "looking at the Boss' car," and that while doing so he saw a bullet (CE-399) hit JFK in the lower neck/upper back around Z-222.
I contend that the "firecracker" sound was Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.
Secret Service Agent Glen Bennet starts leaning to his right to see around Dave Powers in Z-145:
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z145.jpg
You wanna swear by this Agent, but you then manipulate his timing of the shots. Cherry Picking through the statement of an eyewitness is an immediate DQ.
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You wanna swear by this Agent, but you then manipulate his timing of the shots. Cherry Picking through the statement of an eyewitness is an immediate DQ.
Dear Stormtrooper Storing,
Bennet said he experienced the following in this sequence:
1) Heard "a firecracker"
2) Started looking at the limo
3) Saw a bullet hit JFK in the back
4) Saw a bullet hit JFK in the back of the head
You have a problem with that?
-- Tom
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Dear Stormtrooper Storing,
Bennet said he experienced the following in this sequence:
1) Heard "a firecracker"
2) Started looking at the limo
3) Saw a bullet hit JFK in the back
4) Saw a bullet hit JFK in the back of the head
You have a problem with that?
-- Tom
And again, you run away from his fired bullets timeline. That timeline of his proves a conspiracy.
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And again, you run away from his fired bullets timeline. That timeline of his proves a conspiracy.
You're full of pungent beans.
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You're full of pungent beans.
Nice comeback. Now, there's a cleanup needing your attention on Aisle 9.
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Nice comeback. Now, there's a cleanup needing your attention on Aisle 9.
Well, you are stinking the place up, Stormtrooper Storing.
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And again, you run away from his fired bullets timeline. That timeline of his proves a conspiracy.
Dear Stormtrooper Storing,
Do you think the first sound Bennett heard was something other than a shot, e.g., a firecracker?
If so, do you think it was, as he suggested, almost instantaneously followed by the shot that he saw hit JFK "about 4 inches below his shoulder"?
If so, do you think it was, as he suggested, followed almost instantaneously by the shot that blew JFK's head off?
In other words, a total elapsed time of only a second or two for those two shots?
Do you think the "firecracker sound" was actually the first shot, and the total elapsed time for all three shots was still only a second or two?
Doesn't a strict interpretation of what Bennett meant by the words "immediately" and "exact" force us to conclude that one of those lame scenarios was the case?
Do you think (sic) the Zapruder film was altered to make it look as though there were about five seconds between those two shots, instead?
-- Tom
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Dear Stormtrooper Storing,
Do you think the first sound Bennett heard was something other than a shot, e.g., a firecracker?
If so, do you think it was almost instantaneously followed by the shot he saw hit JFK "about 4 inches below his shoulder"?
If so, do you think IT was followed almost instantaneously by the shot that blew JFK's head off?
In other words, a total elapsed time of only a second or two for those two shots?
Gasp . . . do you think the Zapruder film was altered to make it look as though there were about five seconds between those two shots, i.e., the ones that seem to have been at Z-222 (approximately) and Z-313???
Or . . . do you think the "firecracker sound" was actually the first shot, and the total elapsed time for all three shots was still only a second or two?
LOL!
-- Tom
The Current Zapruder Film is not the same Zapruder Film that Dan Rather described to the World days after the assassination.
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The Current Zapruder Film is not the same Zapruder Film that Dan Rather described to the World days after the assassination.
Dear Stormtrooper Storing,
How much time do you think there was between the shot that hit JFK in the lower neck/upper back and the one that blew his head off?
Just one or two seconds, as a literal interpretation of what Bennett meant by the words "immediately" and "exact" forces us to conclude?
If so, do you think the Zapruder film was altered to make it looks as though it was about five seconds, instead?
Yes, or no?
-- Tom
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Given the camera angle and the low resolution, I don't think it is at all clear when Bennett starts to lean to his right.
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Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett, who was sitting on the passenger-side rear seat of the follow-up car and who can be seen in Z-145 starting to lean to his right to see around Dave Powers, came the closest to correctly describing Oswald's three shots.
Unfortunately, Bennett's favorite words seem to have been words like "immediately" and "exact." This is part of what he wrote by hand on 11/22/63 in CE 2112, WC 24 H 542. My comments are in brackets.
“At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, [started leaning to my right to see around Dave Powers and] looked at the Boss's car. At this exact [actually, about five seconds later] time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second shoot [sic] followed immediately [actually, about five seconds later] and hit the right rear high of [?] the boss's head.”
The important thing is that Bennett confirms that the "firecracker sound" was before he started "looking at the Boss' car," and that while doing so he saw a bullet (CE-399) hit JFK in the lower neck/upper back around Z-222.
I contend that the "firecracker" sound was Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.
Secret Service Agent Glen Bennet starts leaning to his right to see around Dave Powers in Z-145:
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z145.jpg
Oh, boy, another version of the whacky theory that the sixth-floor gunman fired before Z133 and somehow, someway missed the entire gigantic limousine.
Of course, you cite Bennett's testimony but then reject what he says about the timing of the shots. According to you, when he said "followed immediately" he really meant "about five seconds later." Right. . . . Makes perfect sense. . . .
The most crucial, valuable info from Bennett's testimony is his statement that he saw a "shot" that hit JFK "about 4 inches down from the right shoulder." This is very close to the location of the hole in the back of JFK's shirt and the hole in the back of his coat. It is also very close to the location for the back wound given in JFK's death certificate (signed by Dr. Burkley), drawn in Boswell's autopsy face sheet (marked "verified," BTW), described by Clint Hill in his WC testimony, described by autopsy radiologist Dr. John Ebersole in his HSCA testimony, and described by Sibert and O'Neill in their 12/9/63 report on the autopsy.
BTW, HSCA FPP chairman Dr. Michael Baden acknowledged that the FPP placed the back wound "a few inches lower" than the location depicted in CE 386, the diagram drawn by Harold Rydberg at Humes and Boswell's direction for the WC:
The panel also places the entrance perforation on the lower, in the back area, a few inches lower than illustrated in this drawing. (1 HSCA 256)
CE 386 shows the back wound as being a neck wound and located at the base of the neck, right around C7.
Anyone who understands basic geometry knows that moving the wound downward by even 1 inch, not to mention "a few inches," substantially changes the trajectory of the projectile that made the wound. This is undoubtedly why SBT defenders from Lattimer to Myers have refused to acknowledge the HSCA FPP's location for the back wound but have instead used the WC's location for the wound, i.e., placing it above the throat wound, in their SBT trajectory illustrations.
Finally, it should be noted that the released transcript of the 1/27/64 WC executive session reveals that chief counsel J. Lee Rankin referred to an autopsy picture that he said showed that "the bullet entered below the shoulder blade." This agrees with Bennett's account, with the death certificate, with Hill's account, with Ebersole's account, with the rear JFK clothing holes, with Sibert and O'Neill's 12/9/63 report on the autopsy, and with Boswell's autopsy face sheet (which, again, was marked "verified").
For more information on the back wound's location, see "Where Was President Kennedy's Back Wound?" (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fT_tqslENprGmxm18J5zSL9QUNxjh5sH/view)
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Oh, boy, another version of the whacky theory that the sixth-floor gunman fired before Z133 and somehow, someway missed the entire gigantic limousine.
Do you think he was trying to shoot "the entire gigantic limousine"?
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Do you think he was trying to shoot "the entire gigantic limousine"?
Your eyewitness is destroying your case. Not smart on your part.
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Your eyewitness is destroying your case. Not smart on your part.
Typical of the inane comments we've come to expect from Storing.
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Given the camera angle and the low resolution, I don't think it is at all clear when Bennett starts to lean to his right.
Fine.
Question: What's the first frame in which it's clear to you that he has leaned far to his right?
Will Z-150 do?
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg
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Fine.
Question: What's the first frame in which it's clear to you that he has leaned far to his right?
Will Z-150 do?
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg
I don't think there is a frame from Z145 onward where that is clear. The limo moves from an almost head on view to being in the sprocket hole portion of the frame where the contrast is even worse.
What it comes down to is both you and I have tried to determine when the first shot was fired based on visible reactions. You find the turning of heads of various people to be an indication of a reaction to a gunshot and I find Zapruder's camera jiggle at Z155 to be the most compelling evidence. Neither is proof positive because other things could have caused people's heads to turn just as other things could have caused Zapruder's camera to jiggle. I find the camera jiggle to be more compelling because it closely resembles the jiggles following the second and third shots for which we know when those shots were fired. If you are comfortable believing the head turns are a more compelling indicator of when the first shot was fired, you are entitled to that opinion but don't act as if it is proof positive because it is not.
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I don't think there is a frame from Z145 onward where [Bennett's alleged leaning to his right] is clear.
You can't tell that Bennet's flesh-colored face and his white shirt are leaning to his right in Z-150?
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg
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You can't tell that Bennet's flesh-colored face and his white shirt are leaning to his right in Z-150?
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg
Absolutely not.
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Absolutely not.
You're beyond hope, then.
Especially if you compare said tilt with the way he looked in frame Z-138.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z138.jpg
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You're beyond hope, then.
Especially if you compare said tilt with the way he looked in frame Z-138.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z138.jpg
Did you happen to notice the car is turning the corner? As such, the perspective of Zapruder's camera to the car is constantly changing as the car makes the turn. Bennett is not leaning right. The backseat is moving right in relation to Zapruder's sight line. This isn't exactly rocket science.
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Did you happen to notice the car is turning the corner? As such, the perspective of Zapruder's camera to the car is constantly changing as the car makes the turn. Bennett is not leaning right. The backseat is moving right in relation to Zapruder's sight line. This isn't exactly rocket science.
Is that what's causing George Hickey to lean over the other side of the car in Z-150?
Centripetal (or is it centrifugal?) force?
How may Gs do you figure they're pulling?
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg
By the way, regarding your beloved "jiggle analysis" approach, the HSCA's scientific panel concluded that, based on its "blur analysis" of the Zapruder frames, JFK and Connally were struck by one bullet at approximately Z-190.
Do you agree with the panel's conclusion, timing wise?
PS How about Z-153, Werner Von Braun?
Can you detect Bennett's lean, yet?
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z153.jpg
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Is that what's causing George Hickey to lean over the other side of the car in Z-150?
I don't see him leaning so I need no explanation for it.
Centripetal (or is it centrifugal?) force?
How may Gs do you figure they're pulling?
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg
By the way, regarding your beloved "jiggle analysis" approach, the HSCA's scientific panel concluded that, based on its "blur analysis" of the Zapruder frames, JFK and Connally were struck by one bullet at approximately Z-190.
Who cares what the HSCA concluded. They were bozos.
Do you agree with the panel's conclusion, timing wise?
Of course I don't. Why are you trying to stick me with their FUBAR conclusions.
PS How about Z-153, Werner Von Braun?
Can you detect Bennett's lean, yet?
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z153.jpg
I can detect nothing about Bennett's position from that frame. The image is too small and blurry to decipher anything about his position. You can see what you want to see.
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I can detect nothing about Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett's position from the Z-153 frame. The image is too small and blurry to decipher anything about his position.
Can you see the oblong-shaped, kinda vertically aligned flesh-colored object about the size of a football in the passenger's side back-seat of the Secret Service Follow-up car in Z-150 and Z-153?
Hint: That's Glen Bennett's face, and it's leaning much farther over to his right in Z-153 than it was in Z-150.
Why?
Because he was trying to see around Dave Powers in front of him to see if JFK was okay after Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot, at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.
PS Note that Secret Service Agent George Hickey, opposite Bennett in the back seat, leaned over the side of the car and looked down at the pavement (he evidently thought a firecracker had exploded there), in Z-150 and especially in Z-153.
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Can you see the oblong-shaped, kinda vertically aligned flesh-colored object about the size of a football in the passenger's side back-seat of the Secret Service Follow-up car in Z-150 and Z-153?
Hint: That's Glen Bennett's face, and it's leaning much farther over to his right in Z-153 than it was in Z-150.
Why?
Because he was trying to see around Dave Powers in front of him to see if JFK was okay after Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot, at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.
PS Note that Secret Service Agent George Hickey, opposite Bennett in the back seat, leaned over the side of the car and looked down at the pavement (he evidently thought a firecracker had exploded there), in Z-150 and especially in Z-153.
I acknowledge that the blurry flesh colored shape is Bennett. What I don't concede is that it shows him leaning. He might be starting to lean given that it is about 1/4 second after he would have heard a shot at the Z147 mark, but I wouldn't present that as evidence he has started to react. Unless you can provide blow-ups of the pertinent frames, I don't see how you can conclude anything about his position during the sequence in question. It's all in the eye of the beholder, like those who see an image of a cop firing a rifle in the Moorman Polaroid picture.
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Bennet was sprayed with 4 or 5 or 6 hot stinking AR15 casings at Z300 to Z313.
Bennett picked them up & put them in hiz pocket or more probly gave them to Hickey (the perp of the negligent homicide).
Hickey probly put them in hiz pocket, which then made a big stink at the hozzie.
Hickey probly kept them az a trophy, mounted on an inscribed base, on hiz mantel at home, allltho he would not know which was the one that blew jfk's brain out.
I wonder where the AR15 iz now.