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The JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Louis Earl on July 11, 2026, 05:15:46 PM
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My guess is that the FBI made her do it by threatening to send her back to Russia.
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Couldn't live with the shame.
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From my readings it was the Secret Service who told Marina to keep away from the Paines not the FBI. Remember, they were the one in charge of protecting Marina and the children. Maybe FBI agents said so too?
Priscilla McMillan goes over the estrangement in "Marina and Lee" (excerpt below). Robert Oswald was very upset with the Paines, thought they were dishonest - he believed they lied about not knowing Oswald's rifle was in their garage - and he told Marina these feelings about them, that she shouldn't trust them. Marguerite didn't like them either.
Ruth discusses the question in the very good Mallon book.
(https://www.drivehq.com/file/DFPublishFile.aspx/FileID13628484109/Keysagqynbxgyu9/ruth one.jpg)
The Walker incident apparently angered Marina. She blamed Ruth for it.
(https://www.drivehq.com/file/DFPublishFile.aspx/FileID13628484103/Keyvaf6ce47wltk/ruth two.jpg)
(https://www.drivehq.com/file/DFPublishFile.aspx/FileID13628484100/Keymi6ph5ewv1g9/ruth three.jpg)
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Here is Ruth's view (from "Mrs. Paine's Garage").
(https://www.drivehq.com/file/DFPublishFile.aspx/FileID13628756203/Keyq8nevigjdspk/paine estrangement one.jpg)
(https://www.drivehq.com/file/DFPublishFile.aspx/FileID13628756192/Key5rsyehk57v8y/paine estrangemen two.jpg)
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Marguerite Oswald who was with Marina at the Paines on the evening of 22.11.1963 could't stand, that Ruth Pain was lying to the press about her son and took Marina to the Adolphus with the help of TIME LIFE reporters. The is when the frictions started. Right on day one when Oswald was still alive.
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My guess is that the FBI made her do it by threatening to send her back to Russia.
In her later years, Marina came to distrust Ruth Paine and came to believe that Ruth helped manipulate Oswald.
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In her later years, Marina came to distrust Ruth Paine and came to believe that Ruth helped manipulate Oswald.
Who cares? You're not about to start suggesting that Ruth Paine was involved in the assassination conspiracy, are you?
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Who cares? You're not about to start suggesting that Ruth Paine was involved in the assassination conspiracy, are you?
Marina's estrangement with Ruth seemed to start right after the assassination and not years later when she (Marina) became a conspiracist. She was isolated, afraid, dependent on others and both Robert and Marguerite, who she had to lean on for support, disliked the Paines intensely. I think they simply told her not to trust the Paines, to stay away from them, and that they were using the assassination for their own interests and not hers.
Marguerite said this about Ruth: "The proud and perfect Quaker…I keep saying she is a fraud and liar…I can hardly read this woman’s thoughts. She is evil, and selfish and the cause of it all. You ought to be horse-whipped."
Robert particularly didn't like Michael either. He thought Michael lied about not knowing about the rifle in the garage. And he wrote in his book "Lee" that Ruth and Marina's friendship "apparently contributed to Lee’s feeling of rejection and failure."
I think it was a personality and cultural clash as well. Whether the assassination happened or not they were not going to get along. They came from two different worlds. Lots of wheels turning here.
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Her estrangement seemed to me to start right after the assassination and not years later when she became a conspiracist. She was isolated, afraid, dependent on others and both Robert and Marguerite, who she had to lean on for support, disliked the Paines intensely. I think they told simply told her not to trust the Paines, to stay away from them, they were using the assassination for their own interests and not hers.
Marguerite said this about Ruth: "The proud and perfect Quaker…I keep saying she is a fraud and liar…I can hardly read this woman’s thoughts. She is evil, and selfish and the cause of it all. You ought to be horse-whipped."
Robert particularly didn't like Michael either. He thought Michael lied about not knowing about the rifle in the garage. And he wrote in his book, "Lee," that Ruth and Marina's friendship "apparently contributed to Lee’s feeling of rejection and failure."
I think it was a personality and cultural clash as well. Whether the assassination happened or not they were not going to get along. They came from two different worlds. Lots of wheels turning here.
Did Marguerite and Robert suspect that the Paines were KGB agents?
Come to think of it, wasn't Michael Paine's father a Trotskyist, and didn't CIA's Clare Edward Petty determine by reading some WW II VENONA decrypts that another important person in Oswald's life, George DeMohrenschildt, was very probably a long-term KGB "illegal"?
Interestingly, KGB Major Pyotr Deriabin, who defected to the U.S. in 1954, said that Marina had to be at least a low-level KGB informant to be allowed to marry her Handsome Prince Charming and leave The Worker's Paradise with him.
Hmm.
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My guess is that Marina resented the fact that she had to accept charity from Ruth Paine and disliked her for that reason. Who knows what tensions might arise in a household with two women and their children. As they say, no good deed goes unpunished. Marina likely felt ashamed based on events and in the aftermath there was suspicion of what Paine might reveal fueled by Robert Oswald's paranoia about the Paines and competition for attention in the media. Marina likely realized very quickly that there was money to be obtained from being the wife of the assassin with the inside story. She did not want to share that with Ruth Paine.