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The JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Benjamin Cole on June 09, 2026, 01:27:59 AM
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These are the most recent threads started in the Education Forum.
The (dis)Education Forum is now less about the JFKA, and more about Jews and Zionism, and 9/11, the USS Liberty, Gaza, and that the Jews murdered JFK and RFK.
It gets uglier, but...who wants to read this stuff? I guess Ed Forum adherents do.
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https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/forum/126-jfk-assassination-debate/
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These are the most recent threads started in the Education Forum.
The (dis)Education Forum is now less about the JFKA, and more about Jews and Zionism, and 9/11, the USS Liberty, Gaza, and that the Jews murdered JFK and RFK.
It gets uglier, but...who wants to read this stuff? I guess Ed Forum adherents do.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wjx5ZNKY/Screen-Shot-2569-06-09-at-07-22-30.png)
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/forum/126-jfk-assassination-debate/
Those threads are turning into Saturday Night Live meets Monty Python. Leslie Sharp is pushing the Nazi angle. There seems to be general agreement that a viable conspiracy theory requires the involvement of, well, Pretty Much Everyone - although, as we all know, the CIA was the primary organizer of the festivities. Jimbo has a useful contribution ::) referencing "what really happened at Bethesda," "the long hidden connection between Trafficante, the CIA and Jack Ruby," and "the final connecting dot McWillie" (was he Jewish or a Nazi - I can never remember?). And, of course - OF COURSE - Garrison!
And on it goes.
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As we all know, the CIA was the primary organizer of the [JFK assassination].
Dear Fancy Pants Rants,
By "the CIA" do you mean the regular CIA, or the KGB-controlled CIA?
You've never heard of Bruce Leonard Solie, Leonard V. McCoy, or Russia-born George Kisevalter, have you.
No wonder you're so ignorant.
-- Tom
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Indeed, the (dis)Education Forum is gushing with new found vigor for fresh, evolved and endlessly convoluted JFKA CT's, with some positing the Nazis and Mossad actually got along, in the postwar era.
I guess, with the Jeffries post, the (dis)Education Forum is now open to threads on any topic, as long as Israel and the US are the bad guys.
The JFKA has become only a prop with which to promote one's demented ideologies and ethnic hatreds.
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The JFKA has become only a prop with which to promote one's demented ideologies and ethnic hatreds.
You're the exception, right?
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Forgot to add......You're welcome Ben!
he he he
Are you related to former Ed Forum contributor, Robert L. Wheeler (aka Bill Taylor of "Deep State Analytics"), by any chance?
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It says « Community not available » when trying to access the Ed forum. Have I been banned?
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It says « Community not available » when trying to access the Ed forum. Have I been banned?
No, that notice does not mean you've been banned. It means the JFK Assassination Debate section of the EF is no longer operating, perhaps because they were unable to pay web-hosting bill.
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James Gordon was the owner, and just told us a couple of years ago he wasn't going to have any more dealings with it,and was going to let it go. he did not care what would happen to it.Sandy was head of funding but has passed. Simkin was back, but since James refused to sign it over to anyone, the Forum was unable to remain.
While I see that Dr. Niederhut was a problem to many of you, the sad part of the Forum's absence was that for years, many JFK authors etc, had posted there. Whether LN or CT, that Forum was a great resource.
I have been gone for quite awhile, and just received an email from one of the Admins that it was gone. I wish it would have been archived, at least.
They say the internet is forever, but I don't know how to retrieve it. Invision will not let anyone but Gordon make decisions on it, and God only knows where he is.
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Thanks Kathy for the info. Did Gordon run away with the money had donated to keep the Ed forum alive?
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No, that notice does not mean you've been banned. It means the JFK Assassination Debate section of the EF is no longer operating, perhaps because they were unable to pay web-hosting bill.
All of the Ed Forum is gone, not just the JFKA section.
Given the piddling donations they received and the almost desperate pleas for money, I can't picture James Gordon absconding with the $83.12 or whatever there was. He always seemed like a very decent guy to me.
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As for the money, that is true. Sandy had charge of the funds. But I fault him greatly for his apathy to all of the years put and information put into that Forum, which Simkin had started. He just threw it away.
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Ben, stop pretending to be Veronica and messing with our minds. You're overdoing it, guy. Just create some ordinary sock puppets, willya?
(Well, of all the nerve! "Veronica" deleted her vicious attack on Ben after I had posted the above, leaving my witty post to seem even more inane and pointless than usual. One suspects that "Veronica" may be a certain Harvard-trained psychiatrist.)
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Like everything about the JFKA, even niggling and unimportant details, I am not sure who "Ms. Wheeler" was.
I suspect it was a Kirk Gallaway, but who knows?
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James Gordon was the owner, and just told us a couple of years ago he wasn't going to have any more dealings with it,and was going to let it go. he did not care what would happen to it.Sandy was head of funding but has passed. Simkin was back, but since James refused to sign it over to anyone, the Forum was unable to remain.
While I see that Dr. Niederhut was a problem to many of you, the sad part of the Forum's absence was that for years, many JFK authors etc, had posted there. Whether LN or CT, that Forum was a great resource.
I have been gone for quite awhile, and just received an email from one of the Admins that it was gone. I wish it would have been archived, at least.
They say the internet is forever, but I don't know how to retrieve it. Invision will not let anyone but Gordon make decisions on it, and God only knows where he is.
Kathy, W Niederhut is a pox on that forum based on the catch up reading I have been doing. Hard to believe someone let him run amok for so long like that. Do you believe James Gordon could have passed away ?
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I don't know. He was pretty much hell bent on letting the Forum go, and wouldn't help us get it on our name.
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Niedernut was the death knell for the Education Forum?
Gordon said he was weary of endless EF antics a couple of years back. I can see why, when Niedernut assumed the helm, Gordon simply walked off. Enough is enough. The EF-JFKA was no longer a forum.
Maybe Gordon began to worry about liabilities associated with owning a forum dominated by anti-Semitic crackpots, especially given his residence in Great Britain. What if an EF reader was inspired or prompted to perp a violent act? People in Great Britain are sometimes put in jail for expressing views online.
Niederhut all but justified the assassination of Charlie Kirk, stating that Kirk has engaged in "stochastic terrorism."
Egads. Perhaps Gordon has just washed his hands of the mess.
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Niedernut was the death knell for the Education Forum?
Gordon said he was weary of endless EF antics a couple of years back. I can see why, when Niedernut assumed the helm, Gordon simply walked off. Enough is enough. The EF-JFKA was no longer a forum.
Maybe Gordon began to worry about liabilities associated with owning a forum dominated by anti-Semitic crackpots, especially given his residence in Great Britain. What if an EF reader was inspired or prompted to perp a violent act? People in Great Britain are sometimes put in jail for expressing views online.
Niederhut all but justified the assassination of Charlie Kirk, stating that Kirk has engaged in "stochastic terrorism."
Egads. Perhaps Gordon has just washed his hands of the mess.
Charlie Kirk was a pure as the driven snow.
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WOW! Just WOW! If anyone would care to see what NiederNut in full flight looks like, check out the last couple of pages of this thread. Led by James Wilkinson, a number of the members have turned on the illustrious Harvard-trained psychiatrist, and he does not handle it well. Wilkinson ends up thanking God that he isn't one of the good doctor's patients. This is Exhibit A for what I am always talking about - i.e., intelligent, highly educated, able to hold a responsible position but pretty much nuttier than a fruitcake in assorted compartments of his mind. One would hope that Some CTers We Could Mention would have the introspection to look in the mirror and ask, "Good God, is this perhaps me as well?" Or at least look at some of the high-profile hucksters of their pet theories and ask, "Eek, is this guy perhaps just another NiederNut?"
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32104-the-current-state-of-the-jfk-education-forum/
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WOW! Just WOW! If anyone would care to see what NiederNut in full flight looks like, check out the last couple of pages of this thread. Led by James Wilkinson, a number of the members have turned on the illustrious Harvard-trained psychiatrist, and he does not handle it well. Wilkinson ends up thanking God that he isn't one of the good doctor's patients. This is Exhibit A for what I am always talking about - i.e., intelligent, highly educated, able to hold a responsible position but pretty much nuttier than a fruitcake in assorted compartments of his mind. One would hope that Some CTers We Could Mention would have the introspection to look in the mirror and ask, "Good God, is this perhaps me as well?" Or at least look at some of the high-profile hucksters of their pet theories and ask, "Eek, is this guy perhaps just another NiederNut?"
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32104-the-current-state-of-the-jfk-education-forum/
Lance.. wow.. just wow. Duncan really deserves an extra thanks for fostering an environment thankfully devoid of crap like what's going on at that other forum.
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EF-JFKA participant James Wilkinson defines William Niedernut's role as moderator at the forum thusly:
If this is indeed The Current State of the JFK Education Forum, then perhaps it is for the best if it can’t be continued. Provided a way is figured out to preserve its decades of rich, insightful discussions, of course.
If I were an intel agent tasked with disrupting this board’s ability to collaborate on new leads and other developments, I wouldn’t waste my resources on lone-nut defenders, not when there are plenty of them who do so out of good faith.
No, I’d direct my asset to fixate on 9/11 Truther narratives to the exclusion of any other topic, including the one purportedly at hand, sowing redundant rounds of division and name-calling at the slightest prompt. I’d want them to otherwise toe the line when it comes to popular JFK conspiracy theories so they’d amass enough credibility to angle for a moderator role.
Because with the authority to ban contributors while deleting their allegedly offending posts, that asset could then also ban anyone who criticizes their Stalinesque abuses of authority.
By the time they’re ever sidelined as moderator, the damage will have already been done.
Now I don’t really think William is an asset tasked with chaos and disruption on this Forum. That’s not the point.
The point is that if I were in the position to run such an operative, that hypothetical asset couldn’t have done a better job than what William’s actually managed here in real life. If one’s behavior is indistinguishable from that of a hypothetical saboteur, after all, then isn’t the distinction between those alternatives one that’s without a meaningful difference?
Say what one will about a witting saboteur, but at least they actually accomplish what they aim to do, because at least they know what they’re doing.
He continues to defend Holocaust denier Ron Unz from that description in the face of well-supported evidence—now by insinuating that there’s some sort of cryptic significance to the use of the 6-million-Jews figure before the war.
And hardly anyone but myself bothers to challenge this odiousness. When we’re reduced to arguing over the definition of Holocaust denialism, the denialists have already won the debate.
It’s a fitting end, really, to what was for so long an extraordinary project. But everything has its own lifecycle. Once any message board drifts into tolerance of Holocaust denial, it’s usually a sure symptom of the inevitable.
It’s all the more ironic that the most disruptive elements dedicate their time and efforts toward this end unwittingly, free of charge. At least it could be argued that they’re saving the taxpayers some money, I suppose.
The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves. Indeed.
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On target.
The question is, why did EF-JFKA founder John Simkin sit on his hands for months and months as Niedernut (in addition to other defects, Niedernut a WWII holocaust-denier) destroyed the EF-JFKA?
The latest word is that the legal owner, or legal operator (I can't tell which), of the EF-JFKA, named James Gordon, has been located. Evidently, the EF-JFKA had plenty of money in a Go Fund Me till, but was not paying the site's host. No one seems to know where the money is now, or how to pay the site's web-host.
Steps have been taken to preserve the EF-JFKA's content for heritage. I guess that includes the demented rantings of William Niedernut. There is endless bickering and sniping even yet among EF-JFKA participants.
My advice to JFK Assassination Forum participants: Don't go down the sniping road. Be collegial. Don't insult. If you have a different point of views, respectfully express them. Confine your present-day political rants to the "U.S. And International Politics" thread.
Among the many mistakes Simkin made was starting numerous threads on present-day topics, evidently as he wanted a sounding board for his views. This led to un-ending gangbang-juvenalia on Trump. But anyone can read anti-Trump blabber anywhere on the 'net in profusion. So why did the EF-JFKA exist?
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On the Zionism post at the Ed Forum with which Ben started this thread, Greg Doudna said a very wise thing yesterday:
On antisemitism. It must be condemned and repudiated, no less than any toxic racism. Here is one sure “tell” of antisemitism, which I know a little about in my field. When one hears invocation of the Gospels’ anti-Jewish tropes. This is the terrible hidden secret and burden of Christianity, that its very Passion salvation foundation origin myth [that demonizes] Jews, is antisemitic, scapegoating Jews for killing God. If you see or hear that, even as allusion from otherwise secular people, then you can KNOW antisemitism is going on.
This "Jews killed Jesus" thing really is the root of antisemitism, as opposed to legitimate questioning of the policies and practices of the political state of Israel. The error in the opposite direction that we hear all the time is that the political state of Israel must receive blind, unwavering support because "the Jews are God's chosen people." (Even if they actually are, equating the Jews with the political state of Israel is a category mistake.)
As you may or may not know, the Second Temple and the city of Jerusalem were razed and the Jews were driven out and enslaved by the Romans in 70 AD as a result of the First Jewish Revolt that began in 66 AD and ended at Masada in 73. The four Gospels and Acts were all written after 70 AD, when being a Jew was a risky and dangerous thing to be. Conversely, being pro-Roman was an entirely unrisky and non-dangerous thing to be. Not unsurprisingly, the Gospels and Acts and even some of the epistles have a distinct pro-Roman and anti-Jewish slant, going so far as to portray Pilate (who was finally recalled by Rome because his cruelty threatened peace in the region) as not such a bad guy and really kind of a philosophical sort - and even putting anti-Jewish and pro-Roman statements into the mouth of Jesus. Historians are in pretty much unanimous agreement that the Romans would not have hesitated a moment to crucify Jesus (probably precipitated by his outburst in the Temple) and that there is no way the Jewish populace would have been screaming for his death (after supposedly welcoming him into the city with cries of "Hosanna!" days earlier). Some members of the Sanhedrin may have been complicit, but certainly not "the Jews."
In short, the whole "Jews killed Jesus" (or "Jews killed God") thing is, as Greg says, a myth that has haunted and demonized the Jews for 2,000 years. I have relatives who care less about Jesus than I care about Scientology but who nevertheless "hate the Jews" for this bogus reason as though "hating the Jews" were simply what all decent people should do. It's completely ridiculous.
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On the Zionism post at the Ed Forum with which Ben started this thread, Greg Doudna said a very wise thing yesterday:
On antisemitism. It must be condemned and repudiated, no less than any toxic racism. Here is one sure “tell” of antisemitism, which I know a little about in my field. When one hears invocation of the Gospels’ anti-Jewish tropes. This is the terrible hidden secret and burden of Christianity, that its very Passion salvation foundation origin myth [that demonizes] Jews, is antisemitic, scapegoating Jews for killing God. If you see or hear that, even as allusion from otherwise secular people, then you can KNOW antisemitism is going on.
This "Jews killed Jesus" thing really is the root of antisemitism, as opposed to legitimate questioning of the policies and practices of the political state of Israel. The error in the opposite direction that we hear all the time is that the political state of Israel must receive blind, unwavering support because "the Jews are God's chosen people." (Even if they actually are, equating the Jews with the political state of Israel is a category mistake.)
As you may or may not know, the Second Temple and the city of Jerusalem were razed and the Jews were driven out and enslaved by the Romans in 70 AD as a result of the First Jewish Revolt that began in 66 AD and ended at Masada in 73. The four Gospels and Acts were all written after 70 AD, when being a Jew was a risky and dangerous thing to be. Conversely, being pro-Roman was an entirely unrisky and non-dangerous thing to be. Not unsurprisingly, the Gospels and Acts and even some of the epistles have a distinct pro-Roman and anti-Jewish slant, going so far as to portray Pilate (who was finally recalled by Rome because his cruelty threatened peace in the region) as not such a bad guy and really kind of a philosophical sort - and even putting anti-Jewish and pro-Roman statements into the mouth of Jesus. Historians are in pretty much unanimous agreement that the Romans would not have hesitated a moment to crucify Jesus (probably precipitated by his outburst in the Temple) and that there is no way the Jewish populace would have been screaming for his death (after supposedly welcoming him into the city with cries of "Hosanna!" days earlier). Some members of the Sanhedrin may have been complicit, but certainly not "the Jews."
In short, the whole "Jews killed Jesus" (or "Jews killed God") thing is, as Greg says, a myth that has haunted and demonized the Jews for 2,000 years. I have relatives who care less about Jesus than I care about Scientology but who nevertheless "hate the Jews" for this bogus reason as though "hating the Jews" were simply what all decent people should do. It's completely ridiculous.
I think the bible is a fairy tale so I would never use it as supporting evidence for anything. On the other hand, antisemitism is more commonly being used like racism.
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I think the bible is a fairy tale so I would never use it as supporting evidence for anything. On the other hand, antisemitism is more commonly being used like racism.
OK, but it is being used precisely like racism because of the underlying myth of the Jews as "Christ killers." Otherwise, the visceral hatred of the Jews is inexplicable. People don't just adopt antisemitic attitudes out of thin air. There is no comparable racist-like hatred of Egyptians or other cultures because they weren't "Christ killers." As I stated, that myth has now snowballed where people who care little or nothing about Jesus are antisemitic and really can't tell you why. (As an historical document, the Bible is not a fairy tale; it holds up well insofar as it describes the history of the periods in which it was written.)
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What is sad is that the anti-Semitic, anti-Israel crackpots came to roost at the Education Forum-JFKA, under the wing of William Niedernut, and the dull uncomprehending stare of John Simkin.
The EF-JFKA was long troubled by dubious moderation, and incessant bickering, sniping and trading of juvenile insults.
But it went off the rails under Niedernut.
Maybe the EF-JFKA can recover, or maybe the ship has sunk. We will see.
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The Ed Forum is once again offline, although it certainly appears from the discussions that they anticipate being able to salvage it ("salvage" being the operative term when what you are saving is a wreck :D). James Gordon is my new hero for all the trouble he has managed to cause. If they would simply say "Absolutely no more references to non-JFKA topics, specifically 9/11," they would improve things by 97% - and Niederwacky would banned the first day, which would improve things an additional 2.9%.
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Even with 9/11 banned, the crackpots would worm in there with the "Mossad perped the JFKA and RFKA" theorizing, or comparing what JFK would have done with LBJ, and all the presidents since, all of whom answered to Tel Aviv and not US voters, and all of whom were compromised by Jews.
James DiEugenio evens subscribes to lunatic narratives fabricated by Joan Mellen, that Israel intentionally tried to false-flag sink the USS Liberty so that LBJ could say Egypt did it, and LBJ had four jets armed with a-bombs en route to Cairo...but the USS Liberty did not sink, so the a-bomb attack was called off. This gets nuttier when Mellen asserts the captain of the USS Liberty was in on the gag. The National Enquirer would balk at this crap.
The EF CT'ers are so demented it almost makes me an LNT'er on the spot. This is my milieu? P.U.
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Education Forum has not been paying it's bills and the "owner" James Gordon just pretty much disappeared. And Envision who hosts the site will not let anyone other than James Gordon pay the bills!
So Education Forum went Poof! as of June 20, 2026 and it will stay that way until James Gordon reopens it ... assuming of course that James Gordon is actually alive.
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I’d be surprised if the forum doesn’t re‑emerge within a few days, given that Andrew Iler has reported locating Gordon (with help from a professional people‑tracking service) and that Gordon has indicated he’s willing to help.
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Heavens to Murgatroy!
Maybe the EF-JFKA will rise again, not quite like a phoenix...more like the way bodies do, a few days after drowning?
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Maybe the EF-JFKA will rise again, not quite like a phoenix...more like the way bodies do, a few days after drowning?
I.e., bloated by gas-producing bacteria that feed on internal tissues? Yes, that sounds about right. Let's take this a step further and identify some of the gas-producing bacteria by name, shall we?
Actually, I've hardly ever enjoyed a soap opera more than the last month or so of "Days of Our Ed Forum Lives" ("Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our Ed Forum lives.")
(Yet another Soviet anecdote: I was too old to watch "Santa Barbara," which aired from 1984 to 1993, but my wife tells me it was wildly popular in the USSR. So popular that even today, if a situation becomes ridiculously messy and complex, everyone knows what you mean if you roll your eyes and say "Oh, my god, Santa Barbara." Within three minutes of entering Minsk in 2007, I was surprised to see a huge billboard advertising "House MD" with Hugh Laurie. Another hoot was watching old episodes of "Bewitched" in Russian.)
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OK, but it is being used precisely like racism because of the underlying myth of the Jews as "Christ killers." Otherwise, the visceral hatred of the Jews is inexplicable. People don't just adopt antisemitic attitudes out of thin air. There is no comparable racist-like hatred of Egyptians or other cultures because they weren't "Christ killers." As I stated, that myth has now snowballed where people who care little or nothing about Jesus are antisemitic and really can't tell you why. (As an historical document, the Bible is not a fairy tale; it holds up well insofar as it describes the history of the periods in which it was written.)
The “antisemitism” preceded the Christ killing fairy tale. And it also happens in non-Christian countries which are now banning Israeli tourists for reasons nothing to do with the death of Christ. Thailand has had major problems with them. How the hell do you piss off Buddhists? Yet they managed to do so.
Until the 20th century, Muslims had far better relations with Jews than Christians. Jews often welcomed and assisted the Muslims during the Arab conquests and had no problems serving in the imposed caliphates.
Like the racism card, the antisemitism card has been used so often that its effectiveness is disappearing.
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The “antisemitism” preceded the Christ killing fairy tale. And it also happens in non-Christian countries which are now banning Israeli tourists for reasons nothing to do with the death of Christ. Thailand has had major problems with them. How the hell do you piss off Buddhists? Yet they managed to do so.
Like the racism card, the antisemitism card has been used so often that its effectiveness is disappearing.
I'm not following your logic. If "they" pissed off the Buddhists of Thailand, doesn't this suggest you think there is something about "them" that pisses people off? This would be different from what I view as antisemitism, which is hatred of Jews simply because they are Jews. I believe Ben lives in Thailand, so maybe he can weigh in. From my reading, there really was nothing we would call antisemitism much before the "Jesus thing." Jews were always outsiders because they insisted on maintaining their culture and religion instead of blending in. I suppose this could be called antisemitism of a sort, but the hatred of the Jews simply because they are Jews seems mostly to flow from Christian mythology. French philosopher René Girard, who is the leading authority on scapegoating, has written extensively on how the Jewish people are the prototypical historical example of scapegoating and that this flows entirely from the "Christ killer" myth.
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I'm not following your logic. If "they" pissed off the Buddhists of Thailand, doesn't this suggest you think there is something about "them" that pisses people off? This would be different from what I view as antisemitism, which is hatred of Jews simply because they are Jews. I believe Ben lives in Thailand, so maybe he can weigh in. From my reading, there really was nothing we would call antisemitism much before the "Jesus thing." Jews were always outsiders because they insisted on maintaining their culture and religion instead of blending in. I suppose this could be called antisemitism of a sort, but the hatred of the Jews simply because they are Jews seems mostly to flow from Christian mythology. French philosopher René Girard, who is the leading authority on scapegoating, has written extensively on how the Jewish people are the prototypical historical example of scapegoating and that this flows entirely from the "Christ killer" myth.
It’s not “my interpretation” it’s just a reasonable interpretation of what has actually happened. And not just in Thailand. Cicero, for one had criticized their behavior.
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It’s not “my interpretation” it’s just a reasonable interpretation of what has actually happened. And not just in Thailand. Cicero, for one had criticized their behavior.
Kevin, would you consider southern whites' descriptions of dislike of blacks of former generations as weight toward perfidy of blacks? Where I live Chinese workers were brutally driven out of town en masse a century ago. The Chinese laborers were driven out because they were disliked, even though they had done nothing to deserve it. Is the fact that ethnic groups are disliked evidence that they deserve it? Of course not. That seems to be your logic with the Thailand and Cicero examples? Isn't that blame-the-victim logic?
Essentializing ethnicities or major world religions or races in demonizing ways is so deeply-rooted and wrong. As Ashley Montagu said in the title of his book debunking 19th century scientific racism: race was "man's most dangerous myth". Essentializing and demonizing ethnicities or religions, variant of the same thing.
What did blacks do to whites to deserve Klan treatment? Nothing. What did Jews do to European nations to deserve thousand of years of anti-Jewish pogroms? Nothing. What did those Chinese families put on trains and driven out of town by people cursing them and threatening death if they did not get on the train, do to deserve that? Nothing. What did Jews do to the Romans anciently to deserve Cicero's condemnation? Refused to knuckle under and be good Roman citizens is what it came down to.
Of course there are always things claimed, traits and essentialisms, that are wrong with the other. There are always anecdotes, anecdotes which collect grievances. Once such beliefs are there about whole classes of others, no logic, no reason, nothing on earth can dislodge it, until it comes from inside, awareness that, speaking metaphorically, we are all God's children, every human being on earth.
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There is no general, or even sparse, dislike of Jews or Israelis in Thailand, where I have lived for 14 years. There are Jewish temples in Bangkok entirely unmolested by Thai nationals.
Many Thai nationals work on Israeli farms (sadly, 34 Thai nationals were massacred on Oct. 7) and in general they appreciate the money and results. Some end up marrying Israelis.
Just as sadly, there are Muslim-Buddhist hostilities due to Islamist separatist-terrorists in Thailand's south.
The Government of Canada advises travelers to exercise a high degree of caution in Thailand, and specifically warns against all travel to the southernmost provinces of Narathiwat, Pattani, Yala, and Songkhla due to unpredictable security situations and ongoing separatist insurgent violence. The Canadians are too PC to say "Muslims."
Here is brief description of the situation in Thailand's south:
While earlier attacks were typified by drive-by shootings in which patrolling policemen were shot by gunmen on passing motorcycles, after 2001 they have escalated to well-coordinated attacks on police establishments, with police stations and outposts ambushed by well-armed groups subsequently fleeing with stolen arms and ammunition. Other tactics used to gain publicity from shock and horror are slashing to death Buddhist monks, bombing temples, beheadings, intimidating pork vendors and their customers, as well as arson attacks on schools, killing the teachers —mostly female— and burning their bodies.[63] In rare cases, Pattani guerrilla groups had also threatened Thai Christians.[64] --Wikipedia
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Muslim terrorist attacks in Thailand are primarily driven by a localized, ethnonationalist and separatist insurgency in the country's southernmost region. Concentrated in the Deep South provinces of Pattani, Yala, Narathiwat, and parts of Songkhla, the conflict has resulted in over 7,000 casualties since it reignited in 2004.---Asia Foundation
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Thailand is a nation of 60 million. The 7,000 casualties would be about equal to 40,000 casualties from terror attacks in the US. Yes, Thais have bigger things to worry about than a few misbehaving Israeli tourists.
Even so, despite decades of Muslim terror, most Thais seem to regard Muslims evenly anywhere outside of the south, and I have never seen an incident of anti-Muslim behavior.
Israelis are frequent visitors to Thailand, and are regarded little differently from other European or Middle East visitors.
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Just an update:
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Looks like it's just another brief "extension" made by the company that hosts the Education Forum. Denny Zartman, a moderator at the EF forum, said this on June 24:
"Invision has kindly given us another temporary extension until June 30. Getting in contact with James Gordon is our only option to keep the forum going."
This is quite confusing to me, considering the fact that Andrew Iler of the EF forum said this six days ago (on June 18th):
"I just spoke to James Gordon on the telephone. I will contact John Simkin and let him know. James was responsive and understood the pressing nature of the problem and he is willing to assist us."
I wonder what has happened in these last 6 days that has prohibited Mr. Gordon from being able to "assist us"?
~shrug~
A brief review of the recent Education Forum trials and tribulations.....
On June 10, 2026, the EF forum was taken offline and went totally dark, with all archived links becoming dead and broken. And if those links stay broken, it's going to bother me greatly, because I can't stand broken links on my sites! (And I have tons of EF links archived all over my blog sites.)
I just hope that the Education Forum's vast JFKA archive from the past can somehow be retrieved and made available once again. Because there is, indeed, a lot of good discussion and information to be gleaned from that forum's lengthy tenure on the Internet. And it would be a shame for all of it to be wiped out in a heartbeat.
And it would also be sad to have the owner of this webpage (and many others) commit hari-kari due to the fact he's got all of these dead links on his site: :(
https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2022/10/miscellaneous-posts-part-141.html
EDIT/UPDATE #1 (3:57 AM EDT; 6/12/2026) --- The Education Forum has returned! All posts seem to have been restored after a
2-day outage. Now I don't have to commit hari-kari after all. Whew! That's a relief. :)
EDIT/UPDATE #2 (Approx. 7:30 PM EDT; 6/19/2026) --- The Education Forum has been shut off again. Can H-K be avoided once more? Only time will tell.
EDIT/UPDATE #3 (Approx. 3:00 AM EDT; 6/24/2026) --- The Ed. Forum is back online. Hari is sidestepped yet again. ;D
EDIT/UPDATE #4 (7:42 AM EDT; 6/26/2026) --- This word (https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32133-the-forum-account-is-paid-up-and-active/#findComment-596986) comes from EF Forum member Andrew Iler: "Please be advised that the Forum Account has now been paid and will remain active." .... All is now right with the world once more. The birds still sing. The sun still shines. And the conspiracy theorists at The Education Forum can still fantasize that Lee Harvey Oswald was "just a patsy" for a while longer. (At least until the next monthly payment is due.) 😁
DVP
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All very mysterious. I am sorry you have so much invested in the EF-JFKA, and that you can find a solution to the situation.
In some ways, the EF-JFKA deserves a shallow grave, and as for my contributions to it...well, water under the bridge now. Life goes on.
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Over on The Education Forum Doudna never considers that the Oswald who took the car to Mrs Whitworth's gun shop on the 11th was the car-driving Lee...
The same "Oswald family" that showed up at the Texas radio station when Oswald was in Mexico...
Marina: "Lee was two different people"...
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Over on The Education Forum Doudna never considers that the Oswald who took the car to Mrs Whitworth's gun shop on the 11th was the car-driving Lee...
The same "Oswald family" that showed up at the Texas radio station when Oswald was in Mexico...
Marina: "Lee was two different people"...
Did that alleged "Oswald family" that showed up at a Texas radio station sing into a can? I think you are confusing the flick, "Oh Brother Where Art Thou?", with the JFK Assassination. A couple aspirin and a nap might help.
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Did that alleged "Oswald family" that showed up at a Texas radio station sing into a can? I think you are confusing the flick, "Oh Brother Where Art Thou?", with the JFK Assassination. A couple aspirin and a nap might help.
“two different people” ?? so John Armstrong was right all along, huh? who knew?
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Over on The Education Forum Doudna never considers that the Oswald who took the car to Mrs Whitworth's gun shop on the 11th was the car-driving Lee...
The same "Oswald family" that showed up at the Texas radio station when Oswald was in Mexico...
Marina: "Lee was two different people"...
I've tried to have an open mind about your posts because your reputation sure does precede you, and not in a good way. But now I'm sad to see that you apparently believe in the incomprehensible John Armstrong "Harvey and Lee" theory involving Lee and Marguerite Oswald doppelgangers? Is that correct?
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I've tried to have an open mind about your posts because your reputation sure does precede you, and not in a good way. But now I'm sad to see that you apparently believe in the incomprehensible John Armstrong "Harvey and Lee" theory involving Lee and Marguerite Oswald doppelgangers? Is that correct?
Armstrong's chapter on Westbrook, the Tippit shooting, and the Texas Theater is genius and cracks the case...Unfortunately Armstrong is stubborn and insists on having Lovelady inside turning the electricity off when he is out fast-walking up the extension...Hargrove apologized to me for Armstrong's embarrassing stubborn-ness...
As to my reputation preceding me...I am the researcher who handed the Prayer Man people their butts so badly that they were forced to go low and destroy their own credibility with banning and censorship...They still haven't admitted Prayer Man is Stanton - so that is what is not good...
DiEugenio proxy Iler has now opened the door to the Prayer Man/ROKC nuts over on The Education Forum...Looks like Gordon's delinquency was used to take advantage and allow the internet clique to buy The Education Forum Trump style...
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well as long as Hargrove apologized, that’s ok. after all, Hargrove is to Armstrong as Ouspensky was to Gurdjieff.
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Seems like Doudna got a little gun-shy...
The furniture store Oswald could drive and he's the Oswald whose driver's license was at the Texas Public Safety Bureau...
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Out of morbid curiosity I went over to the Education Forum in light of Brian Doyle's admission that he believes there were secret doppelgangers of both Lee and Marguerite Oswald. Thankfully, that forum can still one up any kind of crazy with posts like this, in which someone named Pamela Brown claims that "Bob Dylan and his cohorts are trying to hunt me down, and, fortunately, failing. Yes, I think my phone is monitored, and possibly my computer. His Dylinquents (as I call them) crawl out of the woodwork to.create trouble.This includes being caused bodily harm. But this isn't only about JFK research, it is also due to the fact that I am able to unmask him, and I may be the only one who can...
For those of you who have followed Dylan throughout the years, I am the Nightingale he hinted at in the early version of VOY, and has mentioned in other songs such as Changing of the Guard and Jokerman..."
I mean, just.... wow. Seriously.
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32227-jfk-assassination-researchers-have-you-ever-been-spied-on-wiretapped-or-harassed-by-the-american-government-in-your-years-of-jfk-research/page/2/#comments
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Armstrong did a good job of showing how two Oswalds were used to set up Harvey as killing Tippit...He then did a good job of showing how this was continued at the Texas Theater...
Armstrong also did a good job of showing how Lee was used to set up Harvey at the Depository...It explains a lot of things like Mrs Reid's Oswald in a white T-shirt vs the Oswald in the long sleeved shirt in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...
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Armstrong did a good job of showing how two Oswalds were used to set up Harvey as killing Tippit...He then did a good job of showing how this was continued at the Texas Theater...
Armstrong also did a good job of showing how Lee was used to set up Harvey at the Depository...It explains a lot of things like Mrs Reid's Oswald in a white T-shirt vs the Oswald in the long sleeved shirt in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...
K well, I guess I'm officially done going along with anything you spout, because what you just posted about two Oswalds is completely ridiculous! "Lee was used to set up Harvey at the Depository" ?? Really? Come on, man. You're in Ralph Cinque/James Fetzer territory.. not a good place to be.
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Armstrong did a good job of showing how two Oswalds were used to set up Harvey as killing Tippit...He then did a good job of showing how this was continued at the Texas Theater...
Armstrong also did a good job of showing how Lee was used to set up Harvey at the Depository...It explains a lot of things like Mrs Reid's Oswald in a white T-shirt vs the Oswald in the long sleeved shirt in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...
Of course. Dueling Oswalds makes a lot more sense than Reid just didn't notice how Oswald was dressed.
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Back on Topic:
The EF-JFKA has been somewhat revamped, with "moderator" W. Niederhut deposed, and totally absent in the last month from the forum, according to my source.
Many of the more-recent posts are in fact about the JFKA, and not someone preening about their current political views, or engaging in anti-Semitic crack-pottery.
I am still banned, but so it goes.
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Back on Topic:
The EF-JFKA has been somewhat revamped, with "moderator" W. Niederhut deposed, and totally absent in the last month from the forum, according to my source.
Many of the more-recent posts are in fact about the JFKA, and not someone preening about their current political views, or engaging in anti-Semitic crack-pottery.
I am still banned, but so it goes.
I assume, then, that it's back to its "The evil, evil Deep State did it!" / "The evil, evil National Security State did it!" ways.
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K well, I guess I'm officially done going along with anything you spout, because what you just posted about two Oswalds is completely ridiculous! "Lee was used to set up Harvey at the Depository" ?? Really? Come on, man. You're in Ralph Cinque/James Fetzer territory.. not a good place to be.
Armstrong's writings on Westbrook are particularly brilliant and do the best job in explaining everything that happened in connection to him...
Or do you believe Westbrook when he said he walked to the Depository from the Police Station?...
In his writings over on The Iler Forum Doudna seems to not allow the possibility that the Furniture Mart Oswald was Lee...
If Bart Kamp doesn't believe in Harvey & Lee it is a good sign you are on the right track...DiEugenio never commits and none of his sycophants dare make him commit...
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Of course. Dueling Oswalds makes a lot more sense than Reid just didn't notice how Oswald was dressed.
Mrs Reid and Roger Craig and Helen Forrest all saw Oswald in a white T-shirt headed in a different direction on the Knoll...
DiEugenio proxy Andrew Iler controlling the forum is just DiEugenio pulling a Trump and taking over the JFK internet...
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You actually believe there was a "real" Lee Oswald and a doppelganger? That is the most hilarious, stupid theory to come down the JFK pike in decades. Moving forward, why should anybody here, or elsewhere, take you seriously for one second?
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You actually believe there was a "real" Lee Oswald and a doppelganger? That is the most hilarious, stupid theory to come down the JFK pike in decades. Moving forward, why should anybody here, or elsewhere, take you seriously for one second?
Thought you had already awarded my "Bogus DPD Cop" inside the train yard the award above? We are now 2 yrs since the release of the Sixth Floor/NBC 1st Generation Copy of the opening :20 of the Darnell Film. The remainder of this Darnell Film 1st Generation Copy will show the Bogus DPD Cop is just that. Bogus! And this impostor is heading down the Elm St Extension toward the TSBD
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You actually believe there was a "real" Lee Oswald and a doppelganger? That is the most hilarious, stupid theory to come down the JFK pike in decades. Moving forward, why should anybody here, or elsewhere, take you seriously for one second?
You offer hand-waving and ridicule...
The material I cite is backed by the witnesses and evidence on record...
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You offer hand-waving and ridicule...
The material I cite is backed by the witnesses and evidence on record...
No, the material you cite is grossly misinterpreted by John Armstrong, and apparently, you yourself. Let me guess: you also believe that the exhumation of Lee Oswald in the '80s doesn't prove definitively that he never had a secret CIA doppelganger?
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Doudna is failing to consider that Ruth Paine was part of the operation and that the reason she wasn't at home on the 11th was because Lee needed to borrow the car in order to sheep-dip Harvey as preparing the sniper rifle gun sight and being witnessed doing it in preparation for killing Kennedy...
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Doudna is failing to consider that Ruth Paine was part of the operation and that the reason she wasn't at home on the 11th was because Lee needed to borrow the car in order to sheep-dip Harvey as preparing the sniper rifle gun sight and being witnessed doing it in preparation for killing Kennedy...
Didn't think it was possible but in a matter of hours you have leapfrogged Royell Storing as the person peddling the most outlandish, unsupported, laughable theories here. Congrats, dude.
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Look at upstart Denny Zartman trying to pull rank on Greg Burnham...
Couldn't have shown a better example...
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Well, yes, I would say the majority of participants in the EF-JFKA are CT'ers, who, in general, follow the "Deep State did it" line.
The LNT crowd is very thin there, maybe just one or two.
There has been reduction of bloviating posts about one's present political and partisan leanings.
I am more interested interested in JFKA links to small groups of Castro-affiliated entities, or possibly Alpha 66, but that is a subset within a subset.
As an outsider, I cannot tell if there are still censoring viewpoints they do not like, including different takes on JFK and his legacy.
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Well, yes, I would say the majority of participants in the EF-JFKA are CT'ers, who, in general, follow the "Deep State did it" line.
The LNT crowd is very thin there, maybe just one or two.
There has been reduction of bloviating posts about one's present political and partisan leanings.
I am more interested interested in JFKA links to small groups of Castro-affiliated entities, or possibly Alpha 66, but that is a subset within a subset.
As an outsider, I cannot tell if there are still censoring viewpoints they do not like, including different takes on JFK and his legacy.
It's seems as though you're overly interested interested.
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Verily
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Verily
Verily verily (like like the the typo typo in in your your OP OP), or just verily?
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With some Ed Forum alum now posting here, it's become obvious that place was a padded cell. The inmates have escaped.
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With some Ed Forum alum now posting here, it's become obvious that place was a padded cell. The inmates have escaped.
Dear Storm Trooper Storing,
The place is crawling with tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorists, especially of the Harvey and Lee and Henry and Harry and the four Marguerites ilk, and the Jim Garrison fan club ilk -- you'd fit right in!
-- Tom
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Dear Storm Trooper Storing,
The place is crawling with tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorists, especially of the Harvey and Lee and Henry and Harry and the four Marguerites ilk, and the Jim Garrison fan club ilk -- you'd fit right in!
-- Tom
Anytime, You or anybody else wants to proffer Proof that Bogus DPD Cop roaming across the train yard on the Darnell Film is Officer Haygood, I am all ears. Haygood's WC Testimony did Not mention anything close to the extended hike this guy undertook inside the train yard. And besides, WHY would Haygood go all the way back to that string of passenger train cars? Haygood testified that he "Talked" to what he "presumed" to be a railroad detective and went STRAIGHT BACK to his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb. We NEVER see that Bogus DPD Cop "Talk" to Anybody. In fact, this Impostor does All he can to Avoid Everybody. This even includes his avoiding fellow DPD Officer Harkness as this guy heads toward the TSBD.
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Maybe
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Maybe
Maybe not?
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Car-driving Lee was setting up non-driving Harvey with the sniper rifle at Dial Ryder's and Mrs Whitworth's...
Doudna...
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Car-driving Lee was setting up non-driving Harvey with the sniper rifle at Dial Ryder's and Mrs Whitworth's...
Doudna...
We can always count on your for a daily chuckle.
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We can always count on your for a daily chuckle.
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Car-driving Lee was setting up non-driving Harvey with the sniper rifle at Dial Ryder's and Mrs Whitworth's...
Doudna...
hey Brian made a haiku! he’s turning Japanese I really think so. off the rails!
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Still waiting for Doudna to explain why he's avoiding the best explanation...
This is really a by-product of The Education Forum unaccountably failing to give due reference to Armstrong...
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Still waiting for Doudna to explain why he's avoiding the best explanation...
This is really a by-product of The Education Forum unaccountably failing to give due reference to Armstrong...
Why should they gave him any "due" ? His theory is total, tin-foil hat garbage.
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Still waiting for Doudna to explain why he's avoiding the best explanation...
This is really a by-product of The Education Forum unaccountably failing to give due reference to Armstrong...
You continue with the name drops. Are these people still above ground?
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Wow.. they just kicked off the woman who keeps promoting a datebook allegedly written by the assassination "mastermind" .. something about legal threats?
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Iler wrote:
" The JFK Assassination Debate is here for the open and full discussion of the facts surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy. We welcome all sides of the debate so long as arguments are solidly based on evidence, logic, the law, and original work.
An important part of debate is being able to test the strength and veracity of opposing arguments and evidence. "
When the Davidson Enhancement was posted on The Education Forum back in 2016 the 3 members who posted that the evidence showed Oswald was not Prayer Man and questioned those who upheld the theory were permanently banned and not allowed back on the forum...Thomas Graves, Richard Gilbride, and myself found ourselves removed from the forum...Our position was the position that was best "based on evidence, logic, the law, and original work"...The Education Forum and its administrators continue to describe themselves as practicing research methods that the site's record does not bear out...When approached on this the forum continues to respond with silence...
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Well, I am still banned too.
We will see if the EF-JFKA can progress from the destructive WN era.
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Leslie Sharp had her membership revoked in the EF-JFKA!
She has been a pillar of the community, and possibly an embarrassment, for a generation.
She must have made up 10-20% of the posts, or maybe more, all by herself.
In a way, this is a little sad. I placed no faith in her purported datebook, but Sharp's threats to pursue legal action against another poster were obviously hollow. In sum, I thought she was harmless.
Sharp had more zany angles on the JFKA than any other three researchers combined.
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Iler wrote:
" The JFK Assassination Debate is here for the open and full discussion of the facts surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy. We welcome all sides of the debate so long as arguments are solidly based on evidence, logic, the law, and original work.
An important part of debate is being able to test the strength and veracity of opposing arguments and evidence. "
When the Davidson Enhancement was posted on The Education Forum back in 2016 the 3 members who posted that the evidence showed Oswald was not Prayer Man and questioned those who upheld the theory were permanently banned and not allowed back on the forum...Thomas Graves, Richard Gilbride, and myself found ourselves removed from the forum...Our position was the position that was best "based on evidence, logic, the law, and original work"...The Education Forum and its administrators continue to describe themselves as practicing research methods that the site's record does not bear out...When approached on this the forum continues to respond with silence...
hey didn’t they toss out Jimbo Di & Scully at the same time over the famous arabelli incident? those tossers !! a whole lotta tossin’ goin’ on.
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hey didn’t they toss out Jimbo Di & Scully at the same time over the famous arabelli incident? those tossers !! a whole lotta tossin’ goin’ on.
This is why I never made much of an effort to join the Ed Forum. As long as there is someone who decides which arguments are valid and which are not, I have no interest in taking part. McAdams' group was moderated but he rejected posts only when they violated well spelled out guidelines of decorum. He occasionally rejected some of mine when I tested the boundaries. I never knew him to decide on the validity of the points someone was making. I never knew him to outright ban someone from the forum.
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The EF-JFKA seems to be doing a house-cleaning, they demoted William N., and now banned "Leslie Sharp." Other banned people have been allowed back.
But still, the EF-JFKA is clogged with anti-Trump juvenalia like this:
https://i.postimg.cc/MHz3dQ7F/Screen-Shot-2569-08-22-at-16-28-04.png
I do not happen to be a Trump fan, and no need to explain the reasons.
But Trump is not a topic for a JFKA forum, except as perhaps as relates to the JFK Records Act.
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The only requirement for membership now is fidelity to the clique and Jim D...
Leslie is the known expert on the Databook...Because of that she should be safe from the occasional head-hunting campaigns those forums like to do every now and then...Denny Zartman is just a common internet poster who wandered in off the internet a few years ago...Simkin now venerates Zartman as a wise man board elder...They take themselves way too seriously and none of the offenses they execute people for couldn't be handled with warnings and post-deletion instead of the moderator road rage they practice...The cost of this clique enforcement results in us being forced to listen to the same old boring researchers who come up short of the best evidence and force us to read a now-moribund Education Forum until the plaster cracks...Ask Jim DiEugenio how his Task Force pursuit of Prayer Man is going...The forum is meant to indulge the regular researchers and their personal biases even though it lies and says it bases itself on a strict set of academic rules...
If you read Jim's article on Shirley Martin you would think Jim would have some appreciation for a researcher who found the most important evidence discovery of our generation...But no...He stays loyal to James Gordon and the gang who are pretending they are objective, rules-guided academics instead of the internet head-hunters they are...The banning of Leslie Sharp is all about the clique not losing control...The same group that has now let Greg Parker's ROKC nuts back on to the The forum through the Iler back door...
The Education Forum is desperately protecting the Prayer Man theory, Bart Kamp, and Jim DiEugenio...It is ignoring any petitions to re-examine the Prayer Man evidence and the forum's handling of it...The forum is hijacked by certain pro-Prayer Man persons who have the moderators cowed and in their control and they will not allow the correct evidence, or those who were unfairly banned for trying to show it, lest the forum be shown as the cult of personality farce it is that runs by mob rule...The forum doesn't care about the correct evidence nor does it care about cracking the case...It just cares about the right people being in control and having the last and only word...A spot DiEugenio is all too willing to fill at the expense of good research...
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Oddly enough, a few years back I called into Len Osanic's show, and JD was on. He lit into me on the Prayer Man issue.
I forget the name of the PM researcher, but he did some good work on placing most TSBD'ers whereabouts during the shooting. But not LHO's, unless one accepts the blurry photo of what looks like a chubby women as LHO. I forget now if the PM researcher correctly located the publisher-office employees on the mid-level floors on the TSBD, but I think he didn't do that. So there are some loose ends there, which is not to say anything more than that.
For whatever reason, JD has really latched onto the Prayer Man. JD is very knowledgeable, but he does seem prone to giving credence to every scrap of CT.
We will see if the EF-JFKA can improve.
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Oddly enough, a few years back I called into Len Osanic's show, and JD was on. He lit into me on the Prayer Man issue.
You are saying Jim opposed the Prayer Man theory when he confronted you?...That may be around the time that Jim admitted to me that I had proven Prayer Man was too husky to be Oswald...Somewhere around 2018 I think...When I responded to Jim that he should do the right thing and post it on The Education Forum where it would do the most good he responded by putting me on block...The Education Forum is OK with Jim doing that...They don't ask him about it and they don't question his obvious violation of his own often-promoted standards...If Jim wants to commit rogue hypocrisy and victimize an innocent researcher it is OK with them and Denny Zartman is not going to cite him with any moderation points...
A few years ago after Osanic had Bart Kamp on Black Op Radio I contacted Osanic and told him he was making a mistake by allowing Kamp free unopposed reign on his show and that Prayer Man had been disproven...Osanic told me to send him my proof...After I did I then got no response from Osanic and he continued to follow the DiEugenio party-line on Prayer Man...Prayer Man gains most of its momentum by means of this type of dirty insider's corruption and screwing researchers who disprove them...JFK research is a big club and you ain't in it...
I forget the name of the PM researcher, but he did some good work on placing most TSBD'ers whereabouts during the shooting. But not LHO's, unless one accepts the blurry photo of what looks like a chubby women as LHO. I forget now if the PM researcher correctly located the publisher-office employees on the mid-level floors on the TSBD, but I think he didn't do that. So there are some loose ends there, which is not to say anything more than that.
In 2018 I discovered the evidence discovery of our generation...Sarah Stanton had heard Oswald say he wasn't going down to the front steps to watch the motorcade but was, instead, going back in to the 2nd Floor Lunch Room to eat his lunch...Not only did DiEugenio totally ignore this but he also went to Congress to promote a theory he already admitted was bogus...This discovery disproves Prayer Man so the clique is ignoring it even though it is a major discovery on parr with some of the best evidence discoveries in JFK research...
For whatever reason, JD has really latched onto the Prayer Man. JD is very knowledgeable, but he does seem prone to giving credence to every scrap of CT.
We will see if the EF-JFKA can improve.
If you follow The Education Forum it prefers deeply-researched speculative extensively-written material over high quality evidence and argument...It is a sanctuary for long-winded egotists and researchers who like reading their own stuff more than actually solving the case...The forum is about them...It isn't about research or solving the case...Even though Jim D knows Prayer Man is BS he knows it is where the clique goes and therefore that is where he's going to go - even if he has to destroy good research in the process...To be honest with you I'm not really sure which side he's on...
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"You are saying Jim opposed the Prayer Man theory when he confronted you?"--BD
No, quite the opposite. He loved PM as LHO.
It has been a few years, but as I recall I said what I always say, which is no one saw LHO as shots rang out. He was invisible.
You have an eyewitness (Howard Brennan) who saw a a white guy in the TSBD6 sniper window firing in the direction of the limo (or at least a light-skinned individual), and Amos Euins saw a figure in the TSBD6 firing, again towards the limo. I have little doubt someone fired in the direction of the limo from TSBD6 on 11.22, and I strongly suspect it was LHO.
LHO ran down the back stairs before those other TSBD employees got onto the stairs.
JD said the Prayer Man researcher had nailed down were all TSBD employees were, so the Prayer Man was LHO, or something close to that. I think PM looks like a chubby woman.
My only difference with the WC is they ruled out a conspiracy from Day One, on instructions from LBJ.
So they may have correctly defined what LHO did that day, but not other conspirators.
Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.
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"You are saying Jim opposed the Prayer Man theory when he confronted you?"--BD
No, quite the opposite. He loved PM as LHO.
Yep...And that was probably after he admitted to me that I had proven Prayer Man was too husky to be Oswald...Jim had seen my posting of Sarah Stanton's family photo showing her obesity and realized I was right...He responded on Facebook "To be honest with you when I first saw the image of the person being called Oswald I thought they were too husky to be Oswald"...
This dishonesty was achieved by James Gordon when he came in to The Education Forum thread and banned the three posters who challenged the clique on their Prayer Man claims...Graves, Gilbride, and myself...Gordon later came in and threatened the membership saying he would moderate any way he desired...In other words he knew he did something wrong...
If you have followed JFK research long enough you will realize Jim D is a shameless click hunter who manipulates the popular opinion of the clique in order to boost his research venues...That explains why, after all that has occurred with Prayer Man, that Jim would be on Osanic solidifying the clique and polishing the Kamp Prayer Man **** - despite all the evidence against and and his own admission it was bogus...That's how Jim rolls and the JFK internet serves this hypocrisy...The EF and DPF use Jim D as their research barometer and Jim runs with it...Knowing they are guilty of this they have completely isolated and censored the Prayer Man topic and guard it with unfair banning...You'll never see Zartman or Iler call Jim on this and make him answer for its damaging effect on JFK research...
It has been a few years, but as I recall I said what I always say, which is no one saw LHO as shots rang out. He was invisible.
You have an eyewitness (Howard Brennan) who saw a a white guy in the TSBD6 sniper window firing in the direction of the limo (or at least a light-skinned individual), and Amos Euins saw a figure in the TSBD6 firing, again towards the limo. I have little doubt someone fired in the direction of the limo from TSBD6 on 11.22, and I strongly suspect it was LHO.
I fully subscribe to Armstrong...Harvey was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room while Lee was upstairs setting him up...Harvey's virgin negative paraffin test shows he never fired a rifle...Many witnesses saw two men in the 6th Floor window...
LHO ran down the back stairs before those other TSBD employees got onto the stairs.
Simply not possible...Mrs Garner said Adams & Styles bolted before the limousine reached the Triple Underpass...At that timing the girls were out ahead of Oswald who theoretically had a much longer route and had to stash the rifle...What happened with Adams is they bolted on adrenaline and had gravity to help them downward on the stairs...They were way ahead of Oswald's theoretical path and it was actually Mrs Garner who was positioned at the 4th Floor landing 20 seconds before Oswald would have arrived there...The bizarre coincidence with this is Truly & Baker may have run in to Lee on the 3rd Floor landing immediately after confronting Harvey in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...
JD said the Prayer Man researcher had nailed down were all TSBD employees were, so the Prayer Man was LHO, or something close to that. I think PM looks like a chubby woman.
8 years ago I discovered the research find of our generation and to this day Jim D has never once mentioned it or shown any interest in it...DiEugenio complimented Gordon for banning me and said "It was the right thing to do" because I was only there to troll him and Gordon accepted the praise...The cowardly forum members said nothing...Like I said, The Education Forum isn't really interested in the evidence or solving the case...Jim D specializes in extensive scrutiny of research methods and harsh criticism...His trick is he suddenly shifts to the opposite and plays dumb on matters he's trying to promote and hopes you don't notice he is with-holding his normal skill from the Prayer Man subject...If Jim were to honestly apply that skill he would find that Murphy, or whoever listed where the employees were, had cherry-picked badly and avoided the stronger evidence that proved Oswald was not on the front steps...When you point-out that Frazier firmly identified Prayer Man as Stanton they ignore it...This is what the clique is for and Jim exploits it to the max...Andrew Iler is a liar when he boasts that the forum is there to promote the best evidence and promote the best opposing arguments...It is just the opposite and the forum has shamefully censored and suppressed the counter evidence on Prayer Man while it practices coddling favoritism towards the crank researcher Bart Kamp and bans all those who can disprove him...
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Yep...And that was probably after he admitted to me that I had proven Prayer Man was too husky to be Oswald...Jim had seen my posting of Sarah Stanton's family photo showing her obesity and realized I was right...He responded on Facebook "To be honest with you when I first saw the image of the person being called Oswald I thought they were too husky to be Oswald"...
This dishonesty was achieved by James Gordon when he came in to The Education Forum thread and banned the three posters who challenged the clique on their Prayer Man claims...Graves, Gilbride, and myself...Gordon later came in and threatened the membership saying he would moderate any way he desired...In other words he knew he did something wrong...
If you have followed JFK research long enough you will realize Jim D is a shameless click hunter who manipulates the popular opinion of the clique in order to boost his research venues...That explains why, after all that has occurred with Prayer Man, that Jim would be on Osanic solidifying the clique and polishing the Kamp Prayer Man **** - despite all the evidence against and and his own admission it was bogus...That's how Jim rolls and the JFK internet serves this hypocrisy...The EF and DPF use Jim D as their research barometer and Jim runs with it...Knowing they are guilty of this they have completely isolated and censored the Prayer Man topic and guard it with unfair banning...You'll never see Zartman or Iler call Jim on this and make him answer for its damaging effect on JFK research...
I fully subscribe to Armstrong...Harvey was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room while Lee was upstairs setting him up...Harvey's virgin negative paraffin test shows he never fired a rifle...Many witnesses saw two men in the 6th Floor window...
Simply not possible...Mrs Garner said Adams & Styles bolted before the limousine reached the Triple Underpass...At that timing the girls were out ahead of Oswald who theoretically had a much longer route and had to stash the rifle...What happened with Adams is they bolted on adrenaline and had gravity to help them downward on the stairs...They were way ahead of Oswald's theoretical path and it was actually Mrs Garner who was positioned at the 4th Floor landing 20 seconds before Oswald would have arrived there...The bizarre coincidence with this is Truly & Baker may have run in to Lee on the 3rd Floor landing immediately after confronting Harvey in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...
8 years ago I discovered the research find of our generation and to this day Jim D has never once mentioned it or shown any interest in it...DiEugenio complimented Gordon for banning me and said "It was the right thing to do" because I was only there to troll him and Gordon accepted the praise...The cowardly forum members said nothing...Like I said, The Education Forum isn't really interested in the evidence or solving the case...Jim D specializes in extensive scrutiny of research methods and harsh criticism...His trick is he suddenly shifts to the opposite and plays dumb on matters he's trying to promote and hopes you don't notice he is with-holding his normal skill from the Prayer Man subject...If Jim were to honestly apply that skill he would find that Murphy, or whoever listed where the employees were, had cherry-picked badly and avoided the stronger evidence that proved Oswald was not on the front steps...When you point-out that Frazier firmly identified Prayer Man as Stanton they ignore it...This is what the clique is for and Jim exploits it to the max...Andrew Iler is a liar when he boasts that the forum is there to promote the best evidence and promote the best opposing arguments...It is just the opposite and the forum has shamefully censored and suppressed the counter evidence on Prayer Man while it practices coddling favoritism towards the crank researcher Bart Kamp and bans all those who can disprove him...
"8 years ago I discovered the research find of our Generation..................."
Since you showed up here, You have contributed absolutely nothing of merit. Lotta hot air and self back patting, but zippo where the rubber meets the road.
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"8 years ago I discovered the research find of our Generation..................."
Since you showed up here, You have contributed absolutely nothing of merit. Lotta hot air and self back patting, but zippo where the rubber meets the road.
That's just nay-saying - which is the least of anything being offered here...
Actually I produced an interview with Stanton's grand daughter Wanda Daniel in 2018 and Stanton's daughter in law Rosa...
In a preparatory unrecorded phone call with Wanda she told me that Sarah said Oswald told her he was going back in to the "Break Room"...That Break Room was the 2nd Floor Lunch Room where Carolyn Arnold would see Oswald alone eating lunch like James Hosty admitted Oswald told him as well...
Royell...I'm a researcher who produces some of the most important evidence ever discovered...
You are just a comments section nay-sayer...
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OK Brian Doyle.. now you've gotten the better of my curiosity. So.... you believe there was a real Oswald and then an Oswald doppelganger. Which one was killed by Ruby? What happened to the other one? Who else was in on the plot? Marguerite? Robert Oswald? Marina?
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That's just nay-saying - which is the least of anything being offered here...
Actually I produced an interview with Stanton's grand daughter Wanda Daniel in 2018 and Stanton's daughter in law Rosa...
In a preparatory unrecorded phone call with Wanda she told me that Sarah said Oswald told her he was going back in to the "Break Room"...That Break Room was the 2nd Floor Lunch Room where Carolyn Arnold would see Oswald alone eating lunch like James Hosty admitted Oswald told him as well...
Royell...I'm a researcher who produces some of the most important evidence ever discovered...
You are just a comments section nay-sayer...
"......unrecorded phone call with......................"
You call your alleged, "unrecorded phone call", research? Evidence? You're delusional.
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ok, Brian…….. I am a-gonna give youse a homework assignment. I want to see a finished screenplay from you so you can let mssr. Graves ask his Persnickety AI guy to
create one of those artificial movies with it like your president made when he dropped the big doo-doo bombs on all those horrible protesters. is that a good idea? but you must think up the title. I mean, you have to do some creative thinking, oui?
Doo-doo bomb?
Is that a hint that your diaper needs to be changed?
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well that depends, uh……….
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"......unrecorded phone call with......................"
You call your alleged, "unrecorded phone call", research? Evidence? You're delusional.
What isn't credible here is the lack of curiosity over this by the research community...They would rather toe the line on fidelity to DiEugenio than crack the case...They would rather maintain their insider's clique than further investigate this...Some of them might even be government agents pretending to be researchers...How credible are people who make sure the person who discovered this is kept off their forum?...
By the way, answering a complex description of evidence with a question is a way of avoiding answering and is a sign that the person asking the question knows what he's answering is true and he cannot answer it directly...It is a way of taking control of the narrative in order to avoid information...
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OK Brian Doyle.. now you've gotten the better of my curiosity. So.... you believe there was a real Oswald and then an Oswald doppelganger. Which one was killed by Ruby? What happened to the other one? Who else was in on the plot? Marguerite? Robert Oswald? Marina?
Helen Forrest said the Oswald who got in to the Station Wagon looked so much like Lee Oswald that he could have been his twin...She said he came from behind the west side of the Depository...
Frazier saw the long-sleeved Oswald, that Truly & Baker encountered in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room, exit the Loading Dock and head down Houston St...This was Harvey and he took the bus and taxi...
Harvey in the long-sleeved shirt was standing in the Lobby by the door when Lee in the white T-shirt stumbled down the front SE stairs and in to the other end of the Lobby by the stairs...Harvey saw Lee and panicked and tried to leave the Depository through the front door...Lovelady was outside on the steps (or inside the building with Shelley by the Lobby) and saw this happen...An un-named cop saw Harvey's panic and stopped him and ordered him back in and to "step aside and wait"...Shelley saw this police interest in Harvey and detention and intervened telling the un-named cop that Harvey was OK and was an employee...In the meantime Lee saw what he had stumbled in to and took a 180 degree hook turn at the base of the SE stairs and in to the Utility Closet under the stairs...He would be seen still in there by Campbell when Campbell returned from his trip to the Knoll...Shelley made sure Harvey did not cross paths again with Lee by taking him out the Loading Dock where Harvey then headed down Houston and up Elm to the bus...Lee waited and then left out the west doors of the 1st Floor of the Depository - making sure he went in the opposite direction of Harvey and did not cross paths with him again...CIA tactics were used...Lee made sure he got a Coca Cola as a prop so people who saw him would think he was Harvey, who also had a Coca Cola...Mrs Reid spoiled their plan however by too accurately describing Lee's white T-shirt as Lee strolled through the 2nd Floor Offices on his way to the SE stairs...
Harvey bought a ticket and went in to the Texas Theater around 1:05pm...Lee then attracted attention to himself and ran in to the Texas Theater after the Tippit shooting and went up to the balcony...Bernard Haire saw Lee taken out the rear door of the Theater and put in a police car...Stuart Reed then photographed Harvey being led out the front of the Theater to CIA Westbrook's un-marked police car...Julia Postal broke down because she was ordered not to admit she sold Lee a ticket...
Lori Spencer, Lisa Pease - they are now getting the full ego pleasure ray, spot light in front of the Luna Task Force (which is what this is really about and Simkin came back to get a piece of it)...
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dang, Tommy, ask a silly question, well………
but to Albert’s credit, I have used my remote viewing skills like them goat-starers did, and can confirm some of his testimony. you’re welcome, Albert. I’m your forensic witness.
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dang, Tommy, ask a silly question, well………
but to Albert’s credit, I have used my remote viewing skills like them goat-starers did, and can confirm some of his testimony. you’re welcome, Albert. I’m your forensic witness.
Seriously! Sorry I even asked. Is his name really "Albert" ? Kinda confused on that point..
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that was brian’s moniker from the deep politics forum, which has some of the deep writings you see here. it was his father’s name may he rest in peace+
many words have been summoned from his keyboard, very few images. a man of few (billion) words.
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The Education forum is avoiding the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell because they don't want to admit the female dress neckline on Prayer Man...
I don't see Kamp rushing to bring that up now that he has regained his membership...
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The Education forum is avoiding the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell because they don't want to admit the female dress neckline on Prayer Man...
I don't see Kamp rushing to bring that up now that he has regained his membership...
I don't care whether "Prayer man" is a man or a woman. I don't even care if he/she is non-binary. He/she had nothing to do with the assassination other than witnessing it. Why would anyone get their panties in a bunch over it?
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The clique has dishonestly established the Prayer Man theory as the cutting edge of the conspiracy and are using it to stymie further research...It is literally the most important evidence issue because of this...You can tell by the way The Education Forum desperately guards the theory with censorship and banning that they consider it important...
Disproving the Prayer Man theory (like I have done) creates progress where we are then forced to establish what the correct evidence is...Since Mrs Garner did not see Oswald walk across the 4th Floor staircase landing that means the only other place Oswald could be is the 2nd Floor Lunch Room where, literally, ALL the witnesses saw him...Where Hosty admitted that was where Oswald told them he was, where Carolyn Arnold saw him, where Oswald told Sarah Stanton he was going, and where Frazier said a partly-eaten cheese sandwich and apple were seen on the table after the assassination...
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The Education forum is avoiding the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell because they don't want to admit the female dress neckline on Prayer Man...
I don't see Kamp rushing to bring that up now that he has regained his membership...
This is why guys like you need a hobby. You obsess over every little thing.
With respect to Prayer Man, YOU need to go back to the beginning. What put this person in that spot? This person is Not standing there to "watch" JFK, Jackie, or the motorcade on the whole. There is Not a worse place to stand if you want to watch the JFK Motorcade coming down Houston and/or going down Elm St. This person obviously wants to remain out-of-sight. Probably grabbing a quick/clandestine smoke before going back to work. Women smoking was not common in 1963, and there were cigarette packs that were 98% White then too.
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Wanda Daniel told me Sarah was embarrassed by her obesity and would often stay in the shadows...
In his sworn statement Billy Lovelady said Stanton was in the Prayer Man spot "to the far right side of the entranceway"...
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Wanda Daniel told me Sarah was embarrassed by her obesity and would often stay in the shadows...
In his sworn statement Billy Lovelady said Stanton was in the Prayer Man spot "to the far right side of the entranceway"...
A 1963 woman in the South being "embarrassed" by her weight, and hanging in the "shadows"? YOU are a Drama Queen.
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The EF-JFKA cannot seem to stay on topic...oddly enough, often led astray by its founder, John Simkin.
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What does the rising US national debt, 60-odd years after the JFKA, have to do with the JFKA?
The title of the thread in which the above appeared, started by Simkin, is Donald Trump, the Deep State and the JFK Assassination.
O course, the topic is an invitation to political posturing and far-fetched connections between Trump and the "Deep State," of which Trump is, or is not, a member, depending on the mood affiliation de jure at the EF-JFKA.
In truth, the EF-JFKA has improved from the political toilet it became under "moderator" William Neidernut (who is now mysteriously absent from the EF-JFKA. But you still get contributions like this, in the Simkin thread:
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What does the rising US national debt, 60-odd years after the JFKA, have to do with the JFKA?
Did The Traitorous Orange I could crush a Grape ooooh yummy yummy promise in 2016 to eliminate the National Debt?
Yep.
Has his "Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017" (which benefited his fat-cat donors more than the middle and lower classes) caused the National Debt to rise by about 2.5 trillion dollars?
Yep.
Has the National Debt risen by about 3.8 trillion dollars during his current administration?
Sure has.
Has this made the U.S. a stronger country?
Nope.
Is Vladimir Putin, who installed The Traitorous Orange I could crush a Grape ooooh yummy yummy as our "president" on 20 January 2017, jumping for joy?
Yep, and even higher than me, when, back in the day, I could dunk a basketball backwards.
Why is Trotskyite(?) Simpkin grousing about it?
I have no idea.
Has Simkin's beloved KGB (today's SVR and FSB) "made hay" from the anomaly-replete JFKA literally since Day One (via KGB quadruple-agent Morris Childs, one-half of the FBI's SOLO)?
Yep.
Sure has.
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Everything you say about Trump is true, and even more...but has nothing to do with the JFKA.
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Everything you say about Trump is true, and even more...but has nothing to do with the JFKA.
Dear "BC,"
Is Vladimir Putin, who installed The Traitorous Orange I could crush a Grape ooooh yummy yummy as our "president" on 20 January 2017, jumping for joy over the fact that our National Debt has skyrocketed during The Traitorous Orange I could crush a Grape ooooh yummy yummy's administrations?
Yep, and even higher than me, when, back in the day, I could dunk a basketball backwards.
Why is Trotskyite(?) Simpkin grousing about it?
I have no idea.
Has Simkin's beloved KGB (today's SVR and FSB) "made hay" from the anomaly-replete JFKA literally since Day One (via KGB quadruple-agent Morris Childs, one-half of the FBI's SOLO)?
Yep.
Sure has.
-- "TG"
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hey wasn’t morris married to Julia, that oss
cook? burning both ends like Philbrick?
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hey wasn’t morris married to Julia, that cia cook? burning both ends like Philbrick?
It sounds as though you're so stoned that you're burning both ends of that thing you're bogarting.
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A 1963 woman in the South being "embarrassed" by her weight, and hanging in the "shadows"? YOU are a Drama Queen.
That's what her daughter told me and it fits what Stanton was doing not only in the Prayer Man Wiegman and Darnell films but also in Owens where she was seen in the same far right position in the portal...
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Kamp is over on The Education Forum saying the 2nd Floor Lunch Room Encounter never happened...
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Verily, some members of the CT crowd grab on to all and every CT and sub-CT.
It is part of their narrative that LHO was totally innocent on 11.22, and therefore must be totally exonerated, and so that a Deep State plot and cover-up plot can be fabricated to explain the JFKA...which leads back to JFK's plan to quit South Vietnam.
Although JFK was the key figure in US history for the founding of the nation of South Vietnam. And JFK defined communists in South Vietnam as terrorists.
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Verily, some members of the CT crowd grab on to all and every CT and sub-CT.
It is part of their narrative that LHO was totally innocent on 11.22, and therefore must be totally exonerated, and so that a Deep State plot and cover-up plot can be fabricated to explain the JFKA...which leads back to JFK's plan to quit South Vietnam.
Although JFK was the key figure in US history for the founding of the nation of South Vietnam. And JFK defined communists in South Vietnam as terrorists.
It was so easy to frame Oswald because he was cooperating with his being set up as a patsy as part of his CIA duties...
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It was so easy to frame Oswald because he was cooperating with his being set up as a patsy as part of his CIA duties...
Yeah, everybody connected to the CIA knows that when you realize you are being "set up as a patsy", you are supposed to cooperate. BS:
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Verily, some members of the CT crowd grab on to all and every CT and sub-CT.
It is part of their narrative that LHO was totally innocent on 11.22, and therefore must be totally exonerated, and so that a Deep State plot and cover-up plot can be fabricated to explain the JFKA...which leads back to JFK's plan to quit South Vietnam.
Although JFK was the key figure in US history for the founding of the nation of South Vietnam. And JFK defined communists in South Vietnam as terrorists.
Where did you learn your history? Vietnam was formally divided between North and South in 1954 during the Eisenhauer administration. At the time, the French were fighting to maintain their control of Vietnam. The division came after the Viet Minh, led by Ho Chi Minh, defeated French forces in battle. At the time. JFK was the junior senator from Massachusetts. He had zero to do with the dividing of Vietnam into North and South.
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"Education Forum Team" = "Education Forum Clique"
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You need to do research on Cardinal Francis Spellman and Senator John Kennedy.
Read up on the American Friends of Vietnam, a very influential and powerful but relatively small organization which advocated for SV nationhood. Senator Kennedy was the organization's dynamo.
Famous Speech: On June 1, 1956, Senator Kennedy delivered a prominent speech at an organization conference luncheon in Washington, D.C., famously calling South Vietnam "our offspring" and asserting that the U.S. could not abandon it.
The Kennedy family, devout Catholics and ardent anti-communists, loathed and detested the communist North Vietnam.
They more or less installed he Catholic Diems to run SV.
Ngo Dinh Diem first met John F. Kennedy in 1951 in the United States.
Background of Their Meeting
The Introduction: Cardinal Francis Spellman introduced Diem to Kennedy while Diem was living in the U.S. during a period of political exile.
Their Positions: At the time, Diem was an exiled Vietnamese nationalist leader, and Kennedy was a young U.S. Congressman representing Massachusetts.
Shared Interests: Both men bonded over their shared Catholic faith and strong anti-communist political views.
The US and Kennedy did not support the 1954 Geneva accords, which they feared would lead to a commie SV in addtion to NV.
I wrote about this over at the EF-JFKA, but I am too lazy to try to go and find it.
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Even though my banning from The Education Forum was very definitely the result of James Gordon abusing his power and enforcing a personal grudge as administrator...And even though that abuse of power and false reasoning for my banning was used to flagrantly evade my correct evidence on Prayer Man, no one has reached out to me to apologize or offer me re-admission to the forum...This is because the persons who benefitted from Gordon's dishonest protection are very happy with that protection still and very much don't want to admit the real evidence on Prayer Man...Those people have installed a permanent acceptance of brazen lies and false claims in order to deny the correct evidence on Prayer Man and they want to keep it that way...They want the Kennedy internet to be a safe place for Sandy Larsen to claim the dress neckline is a CIA forgery...They have Mark Knight role-playing as a serious moderator when he himself knows he is just enforcing the dirty work of those hijackers and carrying out their censurious will...
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Even though my banning from The Education Forum was very definitely the result of James Gordon abusing his power and enforcing a personal grudge as administrator...And even though that abuse of power and false reasoning for my banning was used to flagrantly evade my correct evidence on Prayer Man, no one has reached out to me to apologize or offer me re-admission to the forum...This is because the persons who benefitted from Gordon's dishonest protection are very happy with that protection still and very much don't want to admit the real evidence on Prayer Man...Those people have installed a permanent acceptance of brazen lies and false claims in order to deny the correct evidence on Prayer Man and they want to keep it that way...They want the Kennedy internet to be a safe place for Sandy Larsen to claim the dress neckline is a CIA forgery...They have Mark Knight role-playing as a serious moderator when he himself knows he is just enforcing the dirty work of those hijackers and carrying out their censurious will...
What do we have to give the Ed Forum to get them to take you back?
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Latest news is that EF-JFKA has a nine-member moderator board (think Supreme Court, nine members. The lawyer Andrew Iler at work!).
William Niedernut, former moderator, not seen in weeks. An anti-Semitic crackpot, Niedernut considered EF-JFKA his raison d'être, so I hope he is on suicide watch somewhere.
Taking Niedernut's seat on the EF-JFKA board is Paul Cummings, who has posited the Jewish-owned Clean Towel and Linen Service of Dallas and Los Angeles played a key role in perping the JFKA. It all led back the Haganah, or something.
Evidently, the EF-JFKA is again not accepting new members, I hear from people who look for a way to apply, but cannot find one.
I am banned for life, partly as I described EF-JFKA in a negative way in this forum.
It sure is a wonder: Duncan MacRae runs this forum all by his lonesome, and has a simple device, in that he separates out current-events posturing into one part of the forum, and the JFKA-stuff into the main bar.
But then, MacRae is not so interested in controlling the narrative, as they are in the EF-JFKA.
The EF-JFKA mainbar is still flooded by blah-blah-blah on Epstein, or Trump, or the GOP and plutocrats and who knows what. Founder John Simkin seems to specialize in such commentary.
So it goes....
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You need to do research on Cardinal Francis Spellman and Senator John Kennedy.
Read up on the American Friends of Vietnam, a very influential and powerful but relatively small organization which advocated for SV nationhood. Senator Kennedy was the organization's dynamo.
Famous Speech: On June 1, 1956, Senator Kennedy delivered a prominent speech at an organization conference luncheon in Washington, D.C., famously calling South Vietnam "our offspring" and asserting that the U.S. could not abandon it.
The Kennedy family, devout Catholics and ardent anti-communists, loathed and detested the communist North Vietnam.
They more or less installed he Catholic Diems to run SV.
Ngo Dinh Diem first met John F. Kennedy in 1951 in the United States.
Background of Their Meeting
The Introduction: Cardinal Francis Spellman introduced Diem to Kennedy while Diem was living in the U.S. during a period of political exile.
Their Positions: At the time, Diem was an exiled Vietnamese nationalist leader, and Kennedy was a young U.S. Congressman representing Massachusetts.
Shared Interests: Both men bonded over their shared Catholic faith and strong anti-communist political views.
The US and Kennedy did not support the 1954 Geneva accords, which they feared would lead to a commie SV in addtion to NV.
I wrote about this over at the EF-JFKA, but I am too lazy to try to go and find it.
Your comment made it sound as if JFK was instrumental in the formation of South Vietnam as a country. He had nothing to do with that. Ike's administration engineered it after the French got their butts whipped by Ho Chi Minh. He didn't want the whole country to go communist. All we managed to do was delay that outcome for two decades and it cost us the lives of over 58,000 US servicemen not to mention untold numbers of Vietnamese soldiers and civilians.
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I'd like to apply for re-admission...I sent requests to Simkin in various places he posts but he didn't respond...
Right now I don't have access to my e-maill address because AOL heightened security and will only send a confirmation code to my hurricane-destroyed house that is no longer there...I am working on it...AOL takes itself way too seriously and needs a court order for me to get my own e-mail address back...
The moderator team is like a star chamber where they know what the clique wants and enforce it...
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Mark: ROKC is a troll farm as their content should instantly make anyone aware...
If you look over on The Education Forum Jim D is ball room dancing with "Lori Spencer" who just posted that Sirhan shot RFK...And they are doing it in reference to the Luna Commission...
Your mischaracterizing my input towards ROKC is not appreciated by myself...I posted to them the correct information on Prayer Man as well as my evidence break-throughs...That doesn't deserve to be sold short like you do and especially from someone who offers so little research substance and appears to be posting non-seriously...
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but your posting style brings out the worst in people, they might start accusing you of ‘puffery’. ever heard that word, bird? dang, this is turning into one of your block paragraphs so I better stop. waiting for da ali g movie for I to see.
Perhaps I should copy your exemplary academic posting style...Meanwhile the posting style of the Prayer Man trolls goes uncriticized, which involves some of the worst organized corruption and dishonesty in internet history...Kamp then gets the endorsement of podcast idiots who are just looking to self-promote themselves with popular theories and researchers - evidence be damned (Ciphered Past, Robbie Robertson, Rob Clark, Len Osanic)...
Prayer Man is holding her purse up in front of her face and is looking down in to it...Her grand daughter Wanda sent me a photo of herself holding the purse as a child...
The internet allows dominating personalities to manipulate moderator favoritism and place friendships and clique over good evidence...They keep Mark Knight around to make sure they get away with it...Once disproven they keep their bad bans and don't apologize...It is much easier to just ban the people who out-argue you instead of admitting your were wrong...
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I'd like to apply for re-admission...I sent requests to Simkin in various places he posts but he didn't respond...
Right now I don't have access to my e-maill address because AOL heightened security and will only send a confirmation code to my hurricane-destroyed house that is no longer there...I am working on it...AOL takes itself way too seriously and needs a court order for me to get my own e-mail address back...
The moderator team is like a star chamber where they know what the clique wants and enforce it...
I'll gladly send a letter of recommendation if that will help you gain re-admittance to the rubber room aka the Ed Forum. Every post you make reveals that sometimes even the "Star Chamber" does make a sound decision.
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You can easily get a new e-mail address. Try gmail.
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Perhaps I should copy your exemplary academic posting style...Meanwhile the posting style of the Prayer Man trolls goes uncriticized, which involves some of the worst organized corruption and dishonesty in internet history...Kamp then gets the endorsement of podcast idiots who are just looking to self-promote themselves with popular theories and researchers - evidence be damned (Ciphered Past, Robbie Robertson, Rob Clark, Len Osanic)...
Prayer Man is holding her purse up in front of her face and is looking down in to it...Her grand daughter Wanda sent me a photo of herself holding the purse as a child...
The internet allows dominating personalities to manipulate moderator favoritism and place friendships and clique over good evidence...They keep Mark Knight around to make sure they get away with it...Once disproven they keep their bad bans and don't apologize...It is much easier to just ban the people who out-argue you instead of admitting your were wrong...
……… so she’s powdering her nose? didn’t the prez already go by? now me is’ con-fuz-ed ! oh well, it wasn’t the Ozzie, he had been busy upstairs there shooting the president. yeah, the one that could shoot, right?
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She's looking down in to her purse as anyone can see in the Davidson Enhancement...
In 2015 I got Kamp to say on ROKC "That I have now come to realize Prayer Man is manipulating something with two hands"...
Yep...Her purse...
It is possible Truly & Baker came face to face with Lee on the 3rd Floor staircase landing as he exited the upstairs via the Passenger elevator in Armstrong's "6th Floor Escape Plan"...That would explain why they never mentioned the Lunch Room Encounter in their first affidavits...DiEugenio is thick-headed and doesn't realize Baker never mentioned the Lunch Room because he knew it exonerated Harvey and showed he wasn't up in the Sniper's Nest shooting...
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Schnapf is on The Education Forum saying Garrison deliberately ignored Marcello...
Marcello did not have the power to corrupt all the government agencies that stymied Garrison...
Shaw was more a CIA man than mob man...
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Iler has total control because of the format of the British Invision host that gives total power and say to the "owner"...
While they said this reformation was designed to remedy the previous negatives of the forum it has actually worsened them and hardened the clique...
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Schnapf is on The Education Forum saying Garrison deliberately ignored Marcello...
Marcello did not have the power to corrupt all the government agencies that stymied Garrison...
Shaw was more a CIA man than mob man...
None of the above had a thing to do with the JFKA.
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The heck it didn't...
Garrison was on the right track...Ferry didn't die by coincidence...
Garrison was denied extraditions in California and Ohio by corrupted governors and judges...Louisiana too...
Oswald was having his credibility destroyed in advance in Clinton, LA...
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Try to stay on topic, what is going on at EF-JFKA.
There is a lot of changes going on there...what are your views?
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My view is that Simkin doesn't have a clue of what is going on and offers no solution to fix it...The same old researchers are in charge and they are enforcing a clique of favorites that operate outside of the normal rules of academic vetting...When you call them on it they ignore you...They like hearing themselves talk but they don't do good abstract evidence discussion when it counts...
Iler posted Bart Kamp as an example of the best modern research...He shut off the comments to the thread where he promoted Kamp and then let Kamp back on the forum as an honored researcher...No discussion of the forum's handling of the Prayer Man subject is happening or even allowed...
The Lone Nutter nay-sayers poison the forum with toxic content that ignores the truth...
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The No Posting For Proxies rule that Andrew Iler is enforcing was made specifically to prevent my correct Prayer Man evidence from being posted on The Education Forum...When Gordon banned me I went to Jim Hargrove and asked him to post some of my evidence that proved Prayer Man was Sarah Stanton...Hargrove obliged and Gordon once again employed his rottenly dishonest type of moderation and made up that no posting for proxies rule specifically to prevent my correct evidence from being posted...Gordon was moderating backwards, in other words, and encouraging false, disproven evidence over correct evidence...The exact opposite of what his job description as moderator was...Gordon knew he was doing this so he went on The Education Forum and posted that his job description was whatever he decided it would be and if any member didn't like it they could leave...The member sycophants later praised Gordon after he nearly destroyed the site after his unchecked arrogance played-out to the near destruction of the forum - all due to their lack of challenging Gordon and his arrogance...Dishonest moderators like Gordon take advantage of censorship and disappear the true context that the problem is THEM and their dishonesty...Therefore the fact that the source of the proxy posting was a need to use a proxy to get around Gordon's filtering of correct evidence was successfully hidden and an innocent member was falsely made to look like a ill-intended rule breaker...No honest discussion is ever had on the true source of the problem...Nor is the correct evidence ever sought...Kathy Beckett knew all this and decided to falsely report me to The Education Forum as attacking her on the McAdams site...I had asked Kathy on that fair playing field how she justified with-holding the correct Prayer Man evidence from her members as moderator...Instead of honestly answering Beckett went back to The Education Forum and falsely reported that I was attacking her - knowing the whole time the predictable result it would get...Especially from Gordon who was looking for justification for his wrongful banning of myself...In my application for re-admission to the forum 3 years ago clique crony Mark Knight cited that false claim as the reason for my denial for re-admission...All decided, of course, without any ability for me to fairly defend myself...The motive here was not enforcement of rules against a violator...The motive was dishonest abuse of moderator authority to keep a ridiculed researcher from handing the people who mocked him their butts with the best arguments of evidence on the subject...The Invision website rules give the site "Owner" Andrew Iler the power to serve as the clique's servant boy pretending to be motivated by the best interests of reform...
To add insult to injury Hargrove turned on me and threw me under the bus telling me in an e-mail that he too would ban me seeing what I post...Once again giving credibility to the dishonest disappearing of context regarding Gordon and his abuse of moderation in order to keep the site's pet Prayer Man theory un-refuted...
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yes, Albert…….. betrayal being Dante’s ninth circle, it would seem mssr. Hargrove serviced you well. perhaps he didn’t read through all of your posts? ask him which ones he didn’t understand. Then, after Armstrong cuts him another check, he can share some of the moo-la with yoo-la !
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Nobody has the decency, honesty, or back bone to go to Iler and ask him to account for the forum's handling of the Prayer Man Theory...
They protect themselves with Mark Knight who only shows up in order to ban an innocent person and censor his evidence...
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Nobody has the decency, honesty, or back bone to go to Iler and ask him to account for the forum's handling of the Prayer Man Theory...
They protect themselves with Mark Knight who only shows up in order to ban an innocent person and censor his evidence...
Nobody cares.
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Just the opposite...
They are so desperate to avoid admitting the truth that they go to those extremes of corruption and dishonesty...
The Education Forum represents a false image of the research community and JFK research because of it...
Gordon was a bully...When Morissette posted the Owens Film showing Stanton in the Prayer Man spot, with the same dress neckline seen in Darnell, Gordon swooped in like he always did...Hijacked the thread...Changed the subject...And helped thread-slide the post to oblivion with the site members assisting him with non-participation...All achieved by the dirty means of banning and censorship where the victim can't defend himself...Iler is proud to be continuing that tradition at the forum...Only a moral reprobate would deny this...
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well, Albert……. at least you’re staying on topic of thread title lol.
you are witnessing the evolution of a ‘zombie thread’, i am sure …....a pack o’lips now