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The JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Benjamin Cole on June 01, 2026, 03:19:25 AM
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Even the staunch CT'ers at Education Forum-JFKA have turned on William Niedernut, the anti-Semitic, hardcore CT-max martinet censorian who somehow (inexplicably) became the sole active "moderator" at the now-floundering EF-JFKA.
Going full volume 10, crank-crackpot, Niedernut doubles down on his narrative that Mossad (with accomplice US President George Bush) perped the 9/11 atrocity, proven by some Israelis purportedly seen "dancing" atop a van and viewing the disaster, way back when.
Niedernut believes his easily disproven, demented narrative of the WTC attack is a "fact."
What does 9/11 have to do with the JFKA anyway. Nothing, except in the fevered minds of of the nutcases now running and populating the EF-JFKA.
BTW, a tip of the hat to Duncan MacRae, who runs JFK Assassination Forum and incurs none of the self-inflicted wounds that define the EF-JFKA.
Refugees from EF-JFKA: Please join this forum. LN'er and CT'ers participate, and sometimes even in a collegial manner. No unnecessary censorship.
There is one thread for OT commentary.
Simple, and it works.
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They have turned on him to some extent, but not to the extent of reality: Sir, you are a very sick human being. You need help.
Because he still holds the moderator's cudgel, apparently they fear being summarily banned (oh, the horror!).
Even Simkin did a complete tap-dance. He's "going on holiday," but he'll get back to this later.
This guy actually is a Harvard-educated PSYCHIATRIST, for God's sake. Oh, the irony.
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As someone who is just catching up with what goes on over there, my jaw is kinda on the floor. I echo the kudos to Duncan for running a forum free of the seemingly looney behavior at the other spot.
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A more cautionary tale than NiederNut is the late David Ray Griffin. He was a longtime professor at Claremont, one of the premier theological schools in the nation. He was the leading modern exponent of Alfred North Whitehead's "process theology," which is not for dummies. He wrote numerous books and huge numbers of scholarly articles, even the titles of which were hard for a layman to follow. He was 10,000 times more prominent in his field than NiederNut is in his. And, yet, late in life he became one of the leading voices of the 9/11 Truth movement. I was agog. At least he had the "rationality" to attribute 9/11 to Bush-Cheney and not Mossad.
Cases like these should give some pause to those at the lunatic fringe end of the CT spectrum. Some of your leading voices, notwithstanding their apparent credentials, are seriously off. One red flag with characters like NiederNut is the scope of their nuttiness. The JFKA was an elaborate conspiracy, 9/11 was an elaborate conspiracy, and God knows what else. And everyone who thnks otherwise is a "cognitive infiltrator" (disinformation agent) planted by the government. I will give NiederNut credit for making me look up Cass Sunstein, one of his household gods, which I had to do after he suggested I was one of them there cognitive infiltrators (which I am, of course, but on a strictly freelance basis for my own amusement).
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On the surface, it is inexplicable when otherwise sane and high IQ people gravitate towards a whacky CT.
The 9/11 Truthers really take the cake, possibly along with the Fake Moon Landing people.
Sometimes people "snap" somewhere in life, possibly due to stress, lack of companionship, self-perceived lack of status, etc. Some men and many women seem to "go batty."
On Griffin, all I can say his specialty was outside physics or mechanical engineering and so on.
Way OT, when I lived in California I noted billionaire types who married younger women, and then supported this or that "liberal" cause. This is almost cliche. Maybe Griffin hooked up with a Truther.
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https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32101-the-once-and-future-education-forum-quo-vadis/
Even the staunch CT'ers at Education Forum-JFKA have turned on William Niedernut, the anti-Semitic, hardcore CT-max martinet censorian who somehow (inexplicably) became the sole active "moderator" at the now-floundering EF-JFKA.
Going full volume 10, crank-crackpot, Niedernut doubles down on his narrative that Mossad (with accomplice US President George Bush) perped the 9/11 atrocity, proven by some Israelis purportedly seen "dancing" atop a van and viewing the disaster, way back when.
Niedernut believes his easily disproven, demented narrative of the WTC attack is a "fact."
What does 9/11 have to do with the JFKA anyway. Nothing, except in the fevered minds of of the nutcases now running and populating the EF-JFKA.
BTW, a tip of the hat to Duncan MacRae, who runs JFK Assassination Forum and incurs none of the self-inflicted wounds that define the EF-JFKA.
Refugees from EF-JFKA: Please join this forum. LN'er and CT'ers participate, and sometimes even in a collegial manner. No unnecessary censorship.
There is one thread for OT commentary.
Simple, and it works.
Part of the problem is that the forum owner and founder, John Simkin, is a 9/11 Truther and thus seems hesitant to do anything about Niederhut. Simkin was made aware that Niederhut has imposed an 8-month suspension on me, but has done nothing about it. I, too, have encouraged the sane EF members to ditch the EF and come to this forum.
A major problem with the pro-conspiracy JFKA research community is that we allow ourselves to be portrayed as fringe, unserious, and even unhinged when we approvingly quote or include people such as James Fetzer in our discussions. Fetzer has been included in a current email chain among leading JFKA researchers.
Fetzer claims that U.S. intelligence and the Mossad were responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Even worse, and incredibly, he claims that no airliners or hijackers were involved in any of the attacks, that Flight 93 did not exist, and that guided missiles and/or explosives were used to destroy the buildings and create the appearance of a plane crash in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. That is absolute and obscene crazy talk, and we should be repudiating this sick nonsense in the loudest, clearest terms, not quoting its spokesmen or including them in our dialogues.
To further put himself on the loony fringe of the spectrum, Fetzer has also said that America and Israel "have become the greatest threats to freedom and democracy ever known, not only in the Middle East but throughout the world." He has even praised Russia and has portrayed the murderous, terrorist-sponsoring regime in Iran as a "beacon of light in comparison to the United States." In one interview, Fetzer said that "Russia and Iran are now providing leadership for the world community. May they prosper and endure!" Iran has murdered tens of thousands of its own citizens, in addition to being the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism, and Russia has murdered tens of thousands of Ukrainian citizens in its brutal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. Fetzer's sick views put him far to the left of even the likes of Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders.
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MTG--
Verily, I was banned for eight months too. By now, readers of JFK Assassination Forum know my writing stye, and my views. So why was I banned at EF-JFKA? Likely for daring to speak sideways on some of Niedernut's insane views.
Simkin appears a bit into his senescence, and recently wrote he spends 10 hours a day writing history tomes. I hate to day it, but no one is ever going to read Simkin's history tomes. Simkin is in his 80s, and likely should be beekeeping or keeping a cottage somewhere pleasant in Great Britain (if there are any pleasant places left).
One problem with the JFKA CT community is that it includes a huge subset of people who believe every CT, or who are diehard leftists to the max, which today means Islamist-leftists.
The culmination of this konfetti of kooks: Mossad perped the JFKA!
Even Jeff Morley dog-whistled that tune for Tucker Carlson.
Well, I sense the JFKA ship is inevitably passing into the night, with fewer and fewer people genuinely interested in the topic. Like the Lincoln assassination---a few buffs, and that is it.
The generation that was alive when the JFKA happened will soon pass on.
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How crazy is the Ed Forum? They have people there who think Nixon set up Teddy at Chappaquiddick.
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I noticed that this morning. I have it on good authority that Wm. NiederNut, in his capacity as moderator, suspended Wm. NiederNut, in his capacity as member, for eight months for referring to a longtime member, who is Irish, as a “cognitive-infiltrating semitic turdball.” Mr. NiederNut, in his capacity as member, appealed to John Simkin over the strong objections of Mr. NiederNut in his capacity as moderator. Mr. Simkin reduced the suspension to 90 minutes, infuriating Mr. NiederNut in his capacity as moderator. When the 90 minutes was up, Mr. NiederNut, in his capacity as member, referred to Mr. NiederNut, in his capacity as moderator, as an “ineffectual weenie of a moderator.” This slur led to the intervention of Wm. NiederNut in his capacity as a Harvard-trained psychiatrist. After extensive negotiations, it was decided by a vote of 2-1 (Mr. NiederNut, in his capacity as moderator, dissenting) to pull the plug on the entire thread.
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Yes, the thread has been buried somewhere.
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I noticed that this morning. I have it on good authority that Wm. NiederNut, in his capacity as moderator, suspended Wm. NiederNut, in his capacity as member, for eight months for referring to a longtime member, who is Irish, as a “cognitive-infiltrating semitic turdball.” Mr. NiederNut, in his capacity as member, appealed to John Simkin over the strong objections of Mr. NiederNut in his capacity as moderator. Mr. Simkin reduced the suspension to 90 minutes, infuriating Mr. NiederNut in his capacity as moderator. When the 90 minutes was up, Mr. NiederNut, in his capacity as member, referred to Mr. NiederNut, in his capacity as moderator, as an “ineffectual weenie of a moderator.” This slur led to the intervention of Wm. NiederNut in his capacity as a Harvard-trained psychiatrist. After extensive negotiations, it was decided by a vote of 2-1 (Mr. NiederNut, in his capacity as moderator, dissenting) to pull the plug on the entire thread.
We used to refer to alt.conspiracy.jfk as "the nuthouse". Sounds like that term could apply to the Ed Forum as well.
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In fact, a few pro-JFKA conspiracy researchers also argue that the Moon landings were faked, while others reject this nuttiness but cite sources that peddle it. When I've pointed out that a given source claims the Moon landings were faked, the researchers have excused their use of the source with the argument that they don't agree with the source on that one issue. Thankfully, most leftist JFKA researchers do not support the fake Moon landings theory.
Similarly, when I've pointed out that L. Fletcher Prouty praised the goals of the Holocaust-denying IHR, that he spoke at an IHR conference, that he praised the IHR's founder, and that he had one of his books reprinted by the IHR's press, Prouty apologists have offered a variety of lame excuses for these shockingly sleazy actions, and a few of them, such as William Niederhut and Jeff Carter, have said these documented facts are "smears."
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John Simkin posted today that "the forum currently has only one active moderator, Danny Zartman." So perhaps NiederNut actually has thrown in the towel. Zartman is someone I had previously thought was more or less rational, but his posts in recent years have been ... well ... not exactly rational. The problem, and it exists on every forum in which I've ever participated, is that it's virtually impossible for someone with hardcore views (be they LN or CT in the case of the JFKA) to also serve as a moderator. It just is. I am extremely well-versed in Christian theology and apologetics and am far from an antagonist or unbeliever, but I have been banned - in some cases repeatedly - from literally EVERY Christian forum because they are all moderated by fanatics who can't separate their beliefs from their duties as moderators. Duncan does seem to be a shining example of moderating with an extremely light touch, which I think is pretty much the only form of moderation that works.
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Zartman suspended me for just replying to one of his emails, saying that I was arguing. He always goes after me on the forum.
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LP:
Amen, Duncan MacRae should moderate a combined JFK-EF-JFKA forum.
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Zartman suspended me for just replying to one of his emails, saying that I was arguing. He always goes after me on the forum.
That's pathetic. You're always a gentleman, Fred.
For everyone's information, in a current email chain initiated and moderated by John K. Hofeling that includes many JFKA conspiracy theorists, two people have chimed in that they agree with James Fetzer's obscene claim that Israel and America are the two biggest threats to democracy, that Russia and Iran are good countries, and that Iran is setting a better example than America is setting.
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The problem with both Zartman and Niedernut is they think (or thought) they were there to be Truth Police at the EF-JFKA. And they knew The Truth. Niedernut also had an insufferable personality.
Zartman actually posted on EF-JFKA that he thought LNT'ers should be banned from the EF-JFKA, and then he later became a moderator. In other words, the EF-JFKA was not a debate forum, but a CT cocoon.
I suppose it does not matter much; the readership of the EF-JFKA must be in the dozens, in a nation of 330 million. Simkin says he spends 10 hours a day writing history tomes. For who? Not the EF-JFKA, which Simkin says is a disappointment to him, due to all the insults that go on.
It looks like the EF-JFKA will continue to peter out; perhaps Niedernut's moderation will ultimately prove lethal, in combination with Simkin's senescence.
I invite EF-JFKA'ers to join this forum and at least try to have collegial conversations.
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MTG:
Verily, Mossad perped the JFKA. Even Jeff Morley dog-whistled as much of Tucker Carlson's show.
Something ugly is happening on America's left-wing. You see Hasan Piker. The justifications for murdering healthcare industry executives, or Charlie Kirk.
The IRGC gets a pass; no one cares about 40k slaughtered in the streets of Iran.
The exoneration and valorization of Sirhan Sirhan, and the accusations against Mossad, in the RFKA and JFKA.
Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.
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The problem with both Zartman and Niedernut is they think (or thought) they were there to be Truth Police at the EF-JFKA. And they knew The Truth. Niedernut also had an insufferable personality.
Zartman actually posted on EF-JFKA that he thought LNT'ers should be banned from the EF-JFKA, and then he later became a moderator. In other words, the EF-JFKA was not a debate forum, but a CT cocoon.
I suppose it does not matter much; the readership of the EF-JFKA must be in the dozens, in a nation of 330 million. Simkin says he spends 10 hours a day writing history tomes. For who? Not the EF-JFKA, which Simkin says is a disappointment to him, due to all the insults that go on.
It looks like the EF-JFKA will continue to peter out; perhaps Niedernut's moderation will ultimately prove lethal, in combination with Simkin's senescence.
I invite EF-JFKA'ers to join this forum and at least try to have collegial conversations.
FWIW, in the thread that was deleted someone described this as an "obscure" forum "mostly for LNers." For what the Ed Forum has become to call another forum "obscure" is a pretty serious case of "Pot, meet kettle." I think they have some notion that there are hundreds if not thousands of lurkers. In fact, I think I recall someone insisting on that when I was a member, perhaps thinking that all the bots were lurkers. That is one problem with any forum like this - the same handful of people saying the same things over and over. If there are substantial numbers of lurkers, I wish they'd chime in and liven things up.
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Amen. We are in the dozens, if that. And where is Tom Graves?
In addition, there are now dozens of people on Facebook, Instagram and X, doing the JFKA thing, and splintering the audience.
Beyond all that, the bulk of JFKA-RFKA junkies appear to suffer from colic.
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MTG--
Verily, I was banned for eight months too. By now, readers of JFK Assassination Forum know my writing stye, and my views. So why was I banned at EF-JFKA? Likely for daring to speak sideways on some of Niedernut's insane views.
Simkin appears a bit into his senescence, and recently wrote he spends 10 hours a day writing history tomes. I hate to day it, but no one is ever going to read Simkin's history tomes. Simkin is in his 80s, and likely should be beekeeping or keeping a cottage somewhere pleasant in Great Britain (if there are any pleasant places left).
One problem with the JFKA CT community is that it includes a huge subset of people who believe every CT, or who are diehard leftists to the max, which today means Islamist-leftists.
The culmination of this konfetti of kooks: Mossad perped the JFKA!
Even Jeff Morley dog-whistled that tune for Tucker Carlson.
Well, I sense the JFKA ship is inevitably passing into the night, with fewer and fewer people genuinely interested in the topic. Like the Lincoln assassination---a few buffs, and that is it.
The generation that was alive when the JFKA happened will soon pass on.
The millennials and the Gen-Zers have as much reason to be interested in the JFKA as I had for the McKinley assassination. The only difference is to the best of my knowledge, nobody made a movie about the McKinley assassination so younger generations might have seen Oliver Stone's movie. The bad news is that most of what they think they know about the JFKA came from Oliver Stone's movie. We even have people on this forum who seem to have been duped by that movie too, such as the people who to this day claim the SBT was an impossibility. I thought Seinfeld's Magic Loogie spoof was more credible than Kevin Costner's ridiculous courtroom demonstration. It convinced me there had to be a second spitter.
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Yes, for better or worse, the JFKA research community is now largely a group of balding and greying buffs, if they are still above ground. That includes me (still topside).
I concur with you, that most of the lay public gleans what they know of the JFKA from popular media or one article or book they read.
Platforms like "X" or Instagram and Youtube, even TikTok, are influential.
Worse, serious offshore money is being poured into those platforms.
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Eek, NiederNut is back, it still says moderator under his name, and he seems to be as NiederNuttian as ever! False alarm, I guess.
(Slightly funny story: When I was with Xerox, one of my clients was a little Pakastani guy who was SO CLUELESS that around the office I coined an adjective like NiederNuttian out of his name to mean "absolutely clueless." I checked last year: He owns three high-tech companies, has thousands of employees, and is in numerous business and tech Halls of Fame - while I babysit six cats and waste my time on JFKA forums. Hmmm ....)
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I guess WN is still moderating. Hard to tell.
The EF-JFKA has devolved into a Gong Show.
Simkin and Niedernut seem to have debilitating verbal diarrhea, and cannot fix, or even address, what ails that forum.
Many EF-JFKA devotees, maybe even dozens, care.
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I guess WN is still moderating. Hard to tell.
The EF-JFKA has devolved into a Gong Show.
Simkin and Niedernut seem to have debilitating verbal diarrhea, and cannot fix, or even address, what ails that forum.
Many EF-JFKA devotees, maybe even dozens, care.
Let's not be casting aspersions on the Gong Show - now THAT was entertainment! Well, sort of ...
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Yes, for better or worse, the JFKA research community is now largely a group of balding and greying buffs, if they are still above ground. That includes me (still topside).
I concur with you, that most of the lay public gleans what they know of the JFKA from popular media or one article or book they read.
Platforms like "X" or Instagram and Youtube, even TikTok, are influential.
Worse, serious offshore money is being poured into those platforms.
On rare occasions I peruse YouTube, mostly for classic rock from the 1960s and 1970s. Rarely anything regarding JFKA. I've never participated in discourse on any of the other platforms you mention so I have no opinion regarding money being poured into these platforms. I would be amazed if people are pouring money in to JFKA discussions since there would be little if any return on investment.
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I think many years ago I was denied membership into a discussion group for the reason that they were not accepting new members at the time. To the best of my memory, that was the Ed Forum. If I am correct about that, it sounds like they did me a favor.
Google groups has been shut down killing discussions on both alt.assassination.jfk and alt.conspiracy.jfk although last I checked you could still read from their archives. I wonder how many JFKA online forums that are still around. I have an X account although I think I could count on the fingers of one hand how many posts I have made on that platform. I am not even sure how that platform works. Do you have to enter a hashtag to get to the JFKA discussion?
I don't even have an Instagram or TikTok account. I reside in the social media stone age. When I see people who have their noses buried in their smart phones completely oblivious to the world around them, I have concluded that is a good thing. I waste enough of my dwindling amount of time on this one.
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MTG:
Verily, Mossad perped the JFKA. Even Jeff Morley dog-whistled as much of Tucker Carlson's show.
I know. It's just crazy. And embarrassing.
Something ugly is happening on America's left-wing. You see Hasan Piker. The justifications for murdering healthcare industry executives, or Charlie Kirk.
I agree that elements of America's left wing are becoming deranged and extreme. No doubt about it. I think this is also happening to elements of America's right wing, though not to the degree that it's happening to the left wing.
The IRGC gets a pass; no one cares about 40k slaughtered in the streets of Iran.
Indeed. The radical left also gives a pass to Hamas and Hezbollah, ignoring the thousands of people they have murdered (and not just Israelis but also some Muslims who've refused to support jihad).
The exoneration and valorization of Sirhan Sirhan, and the accusations against Mossad, in the RFKA and JFKA.
I, too, reject as absurd the accusations against the Mossad, but I don't believe that Sirhan killed RFK. He was never in position to fire from point-blank range into the back of RFK's head. Acoustical evidence shows that more shots were fired in the pantry than Sirhan's gun could have fired. However, I do not view Sirhan as a noble figure by any means. At the time, he was virulently anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic.
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I, too, reject as absurd the accusations against the Mossad, but I don't believe that Sirhan killed RFK. He was never in position to fire from point-blank range into the back of RFK's head.
Do RFK CTs ever ask themselves one simple question. Did the eyewitnesses who said Sirhan was never close enough to fire a point-blank shot into the back of RFK's head see another gunman in position to fire a point-blank shot into the back of RFK's head? If the answer to that question is "no", then it follows that those witnesses did not see the shot that was fired point-blank into the back of RFK's head. So how do those witnesses establish that it was NOT Sirhan who fired that shot if they did not see that shot fired?
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As usual, in chaotic situations, there are eyewitnesses and other eyewitnesses.
However, three eyewitnesses place Sirhan close enough to RFK for the fatal shot, and Coroner Noguchi's estimates of the gunshot distance are only that, estimates.
Sirhan said that RFK turned suddenly away when he (Sirhan) put his gun towards RFK's face. So that explains the shot to the rear of RFK's head.
In addition, witnesses described all gun shot reports as the same in pitch and volume---in other words, all shots sounded as if they were the same, from Sirhan's .22 or an identical .22.
This tends to rule out the idea that RFK was shot from behind by security guard Eugene Thane Cesar, who was armed with a .38. BTW, Cesar's connections to the "Deep State" are non-existent.
That said, Larry Hancock and John Hunt did careful work (see Hunt's book), and concluded that more than eight shots were fired that night in the Ambassador.
It is risible Sirhan was hypnotized, although he may have been deranged, and put himself into a state or stupor.
Sirhan was a loveless, nearly penniless, diminutive, baleful anti-Semitic crackpot, who murdered RFK for the Senator's support of Israel, and said so many times.
I open to the idea Sirhan's brother, a Palestinian extremist who bought the .22 handgun for Sirhan, could have also fired some shots that night. There were many reports of someone who looked a lot like Sirhan at the Ambassador.
The LA DA wanted a prosecutable case, and went with the LN narrative.
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As usual, in chaotic situations, there are eyewitnesses and other eyewitnesses.
However, three eyewitnesses place Sirhan close enough to RFK for the fatal shot, and Coroner Noguchi's estimates of the gunshot distance are only that, estimates.
Sirhan said that RFK turned suddenly away when he (Sirhan) put his gun towards RFK's face. So that explains the shot to the rear of RFK's head.
In addition, witnesses described all gun shot reports as the same in pitch and volume---in other words, all shots sounded as if they were the same, from Sirhan's .22 or an identical .22.
This tends to rule out the idea that RFK was shot from behind by security guard Eugene Thane Cesar, who was armed with a .38. BTW, Cesar's connections to the "Deep State" are non-existent.
That said, Larry Hancock and John Hunt did careful work (see Hunt's book), and concluded that more than eight shots were fired that night in the Ambassador.
It is risible Sirhan was hypnotized, although he may have been deranged, and put himself into a state or stupor.
Sirhan was a loveless, nearly penniless, diminutive, baleful anti-Semitic crackpot, who murdered RFK for the Senator's support of Israel, and said so many times.
I open to the idea Sirhan's brother, a Palestinian extremist who bought the .22 handgun for Sirhan, could have also fired some shots that night. There were many reports of someone who looked a lot like Sirhan at the Ambassador.
The LA DA wanted a prosecutable case, and went with the LN narrative.
As is the case in the JFKA, the evidence for a second gunman in the RFKA is practically non-existent.
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That said, Larry Hancock and John Hunt did careful work (see Hunt's book), and concluded that more than eight shots were fired that night in the Ambassador.
Which tells you, or should tell you, more about Larry than RFK. I think because he's dull and genial, he gets cut a lot of slack. IMHO, he's really just John Newman 2.0, or perhaps vice-versa - "Look at all these documents, and names and acronyms! This is serious research!" When you see conspiracies everywhere you look, you work has to be viewed with skepticism. Do the work and then run it past a peer-review committee of serious historians; it NEVER happens, and to top it off they either self-publish or end up with a publisher like Trine Day (which rejected my blockbuster "Ruth Paine Was a Black Man!" - I could hardly believe it, but apparently they do have some minimal standards).
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Well, it is a bit turgid, but you can read Hunt's book, Buried in Plain Site: One Man's Search for Truth in the Murder of RFK.
I will say it appears there were more bullet holes and injuries than eight bullets could explain. Even FBI guys said they saw unexplained bullet holes in Ambassador pantry woodwork---woodwork the LAPD later destroyed.
Why would Sirhan's older brother buy him a handgun? And preach Middle East radicalism to him?
No one has ever suggested the Sirhans felt threatened in their home or in the Pasadena-Los Angeles area.
One deduction is the handgun was purchased with a use in mind.
I respect Larry Hancock's work. BTW, like you he is a UFO-fan. I am not.
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For everyone's information, Dr. David Mantik has just posted a reply in Hofeling's JFKA research email chain debunking the 9/11 Truther nuttiness with DNA evidence. Here is part of what Dr. Mantik says,
Through innovative DNA-mapping techniques, assistance from the FBI's crime lab, and some dumb luck, scientists have now identified four of the ten New York hijackers. The remains of all five hijackers from the Pentagon (AA #77) and all four hijackers from the Pennsylvania crash sites (UA #93) have been scientifically confirmed;[3] six other hijackers (all from New York) remain unidentified.[4]
Flesh or bone fragments from 13 of the 19 terrorists have now been identified[5]—from the jets into New York, Shanksville, and the Pentagon.
THEREFORE: planes did crash at Shanksville, at the World Trade Center, and at the Pentagon—and at least 13 hijackers (total) were aboard.
I'll be curious to see how the 9/11 Truthers in the email chain respond to this scientific evidence. I'm guessing they'll say it has all been faked--yeah, multiple labs and numerous scientists and technicians involved, but it has all been faked. Again, I'm just guessing. If they don't posit fakery, perhaps they will say the intel guys killed the terrorists ahead of time and then planted their remains at the crash sites.
I'm a huge fan of Occam's Razor, and it screams against the nutty 9/11 Truther theories.
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For everyone's information, Dr. David Mantik has just posted a reply in Hofeling's JFKA research email chain debunking the 9/11 Truther nuttiness with DNA evidence. Here is part of what Dr. Mantik says,
Through innovative DNA-mapping techniques, assistance from the FBI's crime lab, and some dumb luck, scientists have now identified four of the ten New York hijackers. The remains of all five hijackers from the Pentagon (AA #77) and all four hijackers from the Pennsylvania crash sites (UA #93) have been scientifically confirmed;[3] six other hijackers (all from New York) remain unidentified.[4]
Flesh or bone fragments from 13 of the 19 terrorists have now been identified[5]—from the jets into New York, Shanksville, and the Pentagon.
THEREFORE: planes did crash at Shanksville, at the World Trade Center, and at the Pentagon—and at least 13 hijackers (total) were aboard.
I'll be curious to see how the 9/11 Truthers in the email chain respond to this scientific evidence. I'm guessing they'll say it has all been faked--yeah, multiple labs and numerous scientists and technicians involved, but it has all been faked.
Has the article been published anywhere else? Do [3]-[5] refer to sources that can be shared?
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Has the article been published anywhere else? Do [3]-[5] refer to sources that can be shared?
9/11 truthers and moon landing deniers should be lumped together with flat earthers. None of them have the sense they were born with.
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Because I am your semi-official correspondent on all things NiederNuttian, let the record reflect that NiederNut states that he resigned as a moderator effective May 31.
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LP:
OK, I guess Niedernut has been removed.
How the most abrasive crackpot, an anti-Semitic crank, became a "moderator" still defines the imagination.
My guess is John Simkin, proud self-righteous Brit leftie, is part of the Islamist-leftist alliance in that nation, a sordid mating that, like anal sex, produce not new life but only turds.
So Simkin liked having Niedernut play the heavy, while Simkin opined on the deeper meaning of it all.
The EF-JFKA certainly became a sink for bilious screwballs in the past year.
They say the EF-JFKA may cease ops when funding runs out. Many participants, even dozens, are alarmed.
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LP:
OK, I guess Niedernut has been removed.
How the most abrasive crackpot, an anti-Semitic crank, became a "moderator" still defines the imagination.
My guess is John Simkin, proud self-righteous Brit leftie, is part of the Islamist-leftist alliance in that nation, a sordid mating that, like anal sex, produce not new life but only turds.
So Simkin liked having Niedernut play the heavy, while Simkin opined on the deeper meaning of it all.
The EF-JFKA certainly became a sink for bilious screwballs in the past year.
They say the EF-JFKA may cease ops when funding runs out. Many participants, even dozens, are alarmed.
For those who don't know, it is rather humorous: The site is apparently owned in the name of James Gordon, who is literally MIA. Cannot be located, and they don't even know if he's alive. I really liked James and hope he's alive. The funding is through a GoFundMe started by Sandy Larsen, who is definitely not alive, but no one else knows the password. You could hardly make this stuff up. They act like they are paralyzed.
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For those who don't know, it is rather humorous: The site is apparently owned in the name of James Gordon, who is literally MIA. Cannot be located, and they don't even know if he's alive. I really liked James and hope he's alive. The funding is through a GoFundMe started by Sandy Larsen, who is definitely not alive, but no one else knows the password. You could hardly make this stuff up. They act like they are paralyzed.
Not unlike what happened to John McAdams' google groups forum, alt.asssassination.jfk. At one time, John had a team of moderators but toward the end he was the only one left. When he died suddenly, nobody else had the keys to the car, which effectively ended new posts being made. Not long afterward, Google quit supporting google groups although the archives are still available for people to look at.
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9/11 truthers and moon landing deniers should be lumped together with flat earthers. None of them have the sense they were born with.
Yes, but at least they're pretty harmless compared to Trump voters.
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Yes, but at least they're pretty harmless compared to Trump voters.
Did you contract your TDS from Tom Graves?
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LP--
One of your other fave crackpots, in a thread concerning dubious Eduction Forum moderation, has this to say:
"Sorry for derailing again, but the truth about 9/11 is just as important as the truth about the JFK assassination. It certainly isn't what they say it is in either case. These things are connected. We're at war with Iran because we cannot break free from Zionist control."
Yes, that was from Don Jeffries.
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32104-the-current-state-of-the-jfk-education-forum/page/5/
James DiEugenio compliments Jeffries on his posts. How and why?
The Zionists waxed JKFA, perped the 9/11 bombing, purposely attacked the USS Liberty in 1967, got the US into multiple wars, and run everything everywhere. Even RFK was assassinated by Mossad assets. Remember, Jack Ruby was Jewish too, and what does that tell you?
The bilious screwballs are running the threads at the Ed Forum, Niedernut or no Niedernut.
Some are worried that when the forum ends, what can they do to preserve it for posterity?
The Smithsonian awaits!
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There is a significant percentage of the populace whose anti-Semitism makes them predisposed to blame all of the world's woes on the Jewish people and that attitude has fostered some of the worst atrocities in human history. October 7 being just the most recent.
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https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32101-the-once-and-future-education-forum-quo-vadis/
Even the staunch CT'ers at Education Forum-JFKA have turned on William Niedernut, the anti-Semitic, hardcore CT-max martinet censorian who somehow (inexplicably) became the sole active "moderator" at the now-floundering EF-JFKA.
Going full volume 10, crank-crackpot, Niedernut doubles down on his narrative that Mossad (with accomplice US President George Bush) perped the 9/11 atrocity, proven by some Israelis purportedly seen "dancing" atop a van and viewing the disaster, way back when.
Niedernut believes his easily disproven, demented narrative of the WTC attack is a "fact."
What does 9/11 have to do with the JFKA anyway. Nothing, except in the fevered minds of of the nutcases now running and populating the EF-JFKA. [SNIP]
Non-credible researchers like Niederhut and Fetzer believe that any government explanation for a major event, especially if it involves violence, must be a cover-up and that the event must be the result of a conspiracy by some government officials. Many of these folks even believe that John Lennon and Princess Diana were killed by "the Secret Team." Their first, reflexive reaction is to posit a conspiracy.
Responsible researchers take the opposite approach and analyze each event on its own merits and with no a priori assumption of a conspiracy. Like other reasonable researchers, I believe sizable conspiracies are the exception, not the general rule, that they are relatively rare. In contrast, researchers like Niederhut and Fetzer think they happen quite frequently.