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Title: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald? And other interesting stuff.
Post by: John Mytton on May 09, 2026, 03:18:26 PM
• After Jack Ruby shot Oswald, he kicks Oswald either in the head or somewhere in the upper body. Which indicates to me that this wasn't a mob hit, but Ruby was really pissed off with Oswald and in a fit of uncontrollable rage, Ruby suddenly snapped and unleashed on Oswald.

Ruby on the left wearing the hat, steps forward with his right leg and then with all the force he can muster, whacks Oswald with his left foot which drives Oswald's upper torso and head upwards, close to a foot in height.

(https://i.postimg.cc/GpDK9DSw/Ruby-kicks-Oswald.gif)

This full speed GIF of the above, better illustrates Oswald's reaction.

(https://i.postimg.cc/X7Wy5Ynx/rubykickoswald-zpsf5a1af01.gif)

• These two camera operators flinch after hearing shots, these types of vertical flinches are seen in the Zapruder film and working backwards, just after the headshot, then just after the SBF and just before Connally turns his head rapidly to the right, an action that he testified that did.

(https://i.postimg.cc/wTC8rXJ3/3shotsshowflinch-zps73fc270e.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rmxQK4sn/Zapuder-Shot-Reaction12-zps7fs2qy4f.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/P5ZqB6hN/connallyturn.gif)

• The placement of the shells in the Sniper's nest wasn't just random but was a result of how Oswald was tracking his target. The following GIF came from a simulation which accurately placed the 2nd two shots to coincide with the LNers SBF and the headshot and therefore these two shells bounced off the rear boxes and ended up closer to Oswald but the first shot in this recreation was a little early but it still wouldn't change where the furthest bullet ended up.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cCT7nBSR/3shellsimulationn-zps0a7a5145.gif)

• Nix filmed the same event as Zapruder(Muchmore and Bronson also captured bits of it as well) which proves beyond all doubt that they are both authentic and there was no Limo stop or whatever the latest fakery fad is, but some critics who have no concept of perspective, lamely point to what they perceive as the differing position of Hill And Jackie on the Limo trunk.

Griffith uses this sole example of his proof of fakery in both Nix and/or Zapruder, yeah I know it's kinda pathetic.

(https://i.postimg.cc/bNsd2Dgx/Griffith-Zapruder-Nix-alteration-Hill-Jackie.jpg)

But Jerry Organ who is/was a master of 3D modelling, with a tiny bit of help and direction from me, proved it's just the change in perspective from either side of Dealey Plaza.

(https://i.postimg.cc/sfwtQsvQ/Nix-Zapruder-Jerry-Organ-2024.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Y2DwGtNC/Nix-and-Zapruder.gif)

• These two morphs that I put together show smooth rotation because they both came from impossible to fake stereoscopic pairs. The first GIF shows Kennedy's left brain hemisphere to be intact and the flap over the right temple as seen in Zapruder. And the second GIF shows the back of Kennedy's head to be intact with a solitary bullet entrance hole where the hair is parted, next to the top of the ruler. Sorry bout that CT's!

(https://i.postimg.cc/vB9TkrHY/JFKAutopsy-Morphsmallermoreframes.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dtdMC5Nn/BOH-JFK.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Gerry Down on May 09, 2026, 03:54:11 PM
It's worth noting that Owald's hand was handcuffed to Levealle. So if Levealle lifted up his arm, in an effort to tackle Ruby, it would have dragged Oswald's arm and torso upwards.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: John Mytton on May 09, 2026, 05:57:57 PM
It's worth noting that Owald's hand was handcuffed to Levealle. So if Levealle lifted up his arm, in an effort to tackle Ruby, it would have dragged Oswald's arm and torso upwards.

Thanks Jerry, I grabbed a better copy and I think you're right.
It seems like the car lightly strikes Ruby? and his left leg stumbles as it moves forward but regardless it looks like Oswald's head is jerked upwards before Ruby's left shoe gets close to Oswald and maybe makes contact? Anyway, it's way, way past my bedtime and I'll have another look later.

Here's some more better quality GIF's of Ruby's full figure of what should be regular speed but seems slightly sped up? and half speed. And there's also the same again but just focused on the relevant part.

(https://i.postimg.cc/DZb7jLPQ/Ruby-kicks-Osw-aldc.gif)
(https://i.postimg.cc/3RD3SmFr/Ruby-kicks-Osw-aldd.gif)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hj7KyT1V/Ruby-kicks-Osw-alda.gif)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cH8d9wBY/Ruby-kicks-Osw-aldb.gif)

Full frame.

(https://i.postimg.cc/BQvMr0Vy/Ruby-kicks-Oswald-full-a.gif)

JohnM

Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on May 09, 2026, 06:08:56 PM
John: Just one on the startle response.

Wouldn't Zapruder have remembered the *cause* of those three responses? He said he heard only two shots not three. All of us have been startled by some loud noise: a clap of thunder outside, the backfire of a car, someone dropping and breaking a plate. We jumped the sound. And we remember why we jumped and that something that caused it. But Zapruder only remembers two *causes* for his three jumps?

Granted, if we combine the startle response of the film plus the other evidence we can make a reasonable argument for three shots. And he filmed them all. But there's a gap when it comes to Zapruder.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: John Mytton on May 09, 2026, 06:22:49 PM
John: Just one on the startle response.

Wouldn't Zapruder have remembered the *cause* of those three responses? He said he heard only two shots not three. All of us have been startled by some loud noise: a clap of thunder outside, the backfire of a car, someone dropping and breaking a plate. We jumped the sound. And we remember why we jumped and that something that caused it. But Zapruder only remembers two *causes* for his three jumps?

Granted, if we combine the startle response of the film plus the other evidence we can make a reasonable argument for three shots. And he filmed them all. But there's a gap when it comes to Zapruder.

??

Mr. LIEBELER - Tell us what happened as you took these pictures.
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, as the car came in line almost--I believe it was almost in line. I was standing up here and I was shooting through a telephoto lens, which is a zoom lens and as it reached about--I imagine it was around here--I heard the first shot and I saw the President lean over and grab himself like this (holding his left chest area).
Mr. LIEBELER - Grab himself on the front of his chest?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Right---something like that. In other words, he was sitting like this and waving and then after the shot he just went like that.
Mr. LIEBELER - He was sitting upright in the car and you heard the shot and you saw the President slump over?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Leaning--leaning toward the side of Jacqueline. For a moment I thought it was, you know, like you say, "Oh, he got me," when you hear a shot--you've heard these expressions and then I saw---I don't believe the President is going to make jokes like this, but before I had a chance to organize my mind, I heard a second shot and then I saw his head opened up and the blood and everything came out and I started--I can hardly talk about it [ the witness crying].
Mr. LIEBELER - That's all right, Mr. Zapruder, would you like a drink of water? Why don't you step out and have a drink of water?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - I'm sorry--I'm ashamed of myself really, but I couldn't help it.
Mr. LIEBELER - Nobody should ever be ashamed of feeling that way, Mr. Zapruder. I feel the same way myself. It was a terrible thing.
Let me go back now for just a moment and ask you how many shots you heard altogether.
Mr. ZAPRUDER - I thought I heard two, it could be three, because to my estimation I thought he was hit on the second--I really don't know. The whole thing that has been transpiring--it was very upsetting and as you see I got a little better all the time and this came up again and it to me looked like the second shot, but I don't know. I never even heard a third shot.
Mr. LIEBELER - You didn't hear any shot after you saw him hit?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - I heard the second--after the first shot--I saw him leaning over and after the second shot--it's possible after what I saw, you know, then I started yelling, "They killed him, they killed him," and I just felt that somebody had ganged up on him and I was still shooting the pictures until he got under the underpass--I don't even know how I did it. And then, I didn't even remember how I got down from that abutment there, but there I was, I guess, and I was walking toward--back toward my office and screaming, "They killed him, they killed him," and the people that I met on the way didn't even know what happened and they kept yelling, "What happened, what happened, what happened?" It seemed that they had heard a shot but they didn't know exactly what had happened as the car sped away, and I kept on just yelling, "They killed him, they killed him, they killed him," and finally got to my office and my secretary--I told her to call the police or the Secret Service--I don't know what she was doing, and that's about all. I was very much upset. Naturally, I couldn't imagine such a thing being done. I just went to my desk and stopped there until the police came and then we were required to get a place to develop the films. I knew I had something, I figured it might be of some help--I didn't know what.
As to what happened--I remember the police were running behind me. There were police running right behind me. Of course, they didn't realize yet, I guess, where the shot came from--that it came from that height.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/zapruder.htm

(https://i.postimg.cc/dtdpHvZ0/zapruder-wfaatv-a.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Zeon Mason on May 09, 2026, 06:26:36 PM
To do the   shooting in front of the cameras, Ruby must have really been upset.

Why did Ruby go  before cameras and say it’s people in high places and we will never know the truth?

He changed it  later to the “He was just angry” story.  So if his original statement was a ploy to gain some plea bargain leverage, he sure screwed himself it seems.

UNLESS… Ruby was promised a deal in exchange for changing his statement , after which they killed him in prison with an injection and created false documents that he had cancer and died of pneumonia.

I hate being suspicious but somebody has to keep up the CT side of the spectrum on this forum since most of them are over at that other forum.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Gerry Down on May 09, 2026, 06:43:40 PM
Thanks Jerry, I grabbed a better copy and I think you're right.
It seems like the car lightly strikes Ruby? and his left leg stumbles as it moves forward but regardless it looks like Oswald's head is jerked upwards before Ruby's left shoe gets close to Oswald and maybe makes contact? Anyway, it's way, way past my bedtime and I'll have another look later.

Here's some more better quality GIF's of Ruby's full figure of what should be regular speed but seems slightly sped up? and half speed. And there's also the same again but just focused on the relevant part.

(https://i.postimg.cc/DZb7jLPQ/Ruby-kicks-Osw-aldc.gif)
(https://i.postimg.cc/3RD3SmFr/Ruby-kicks-Osw-aldd.gif)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hj7KyT1V/Ruby-kicks-Osw-alda.gif)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cH8d9wBY/Ruby-kicks-Osw-aldb.gif)

Full frame.

(https://i.postimg.cc/BQvMr0Vy/Ruby-kicks-Oswald-full-a.gif)

JohnM

From these GIFS, its clear Rubys left foot stays in contact with the ground almost all of the time.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on May 09, 2026, 06:54:28 PM
??

Mr. LIEBELER - Tell us what happened as you took these pictures.
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, as the car came in line almost--I believe it was almost in line. I was standing up here and I was shooting through a telephoto lens, which is a zoom lens and as it reached about--I imagine it was around here--I heard the first shot and I saw the President lean over and grab himself like this (holding his left chest area).
Mr. LIEBELER - Grab himself on the front of his chest?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Right---something like that. In other words, he was sitting like this and waving and then after the shot he just went like that.
Mr. LIEBELER - He was sitting upright in the car and you heard the shot and you saw the President slump over?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Leaning--leaning toward the side of Jacqueline. For a moment I thought it was, you know, like you say, "Oh, he got me," when you hear a shot--you've heard these expressions and then I saw---I don't believe the President is going to make jokes like this, but before I had a chance to organize my mind, I heard a second shot and then I saw his head opened up and the blood and everything came out and I started--I can hardly talk about it [ the witness crying].
Mr. LIEBELER - That's all right, Mr. Zapruder, would you like a drink of water? Why don't you step out and have a drink of water?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - I'm sorry--I'm ashamed of myself really, but I couldn't help it.
Mr. LIEBELER - Nobody should ever be ashamed of feeling that way, Mr. Zapruder. I feel the same way myself. It was a terrible thing.
Let me go back now for just a moment and ask you how many shots you heard altogether.
Mr. ZAPRUDER - I thought I heard two, it could be three, because to my estimation I thought he was hit on the second--I really don't know. The whole thing that has been transpiring--it was very upsetting and as you see I got a little better all the time and this came up again and it to me looked like the second shot, but I don't know. I never even heard a third shot.
Mr. LIEBELER - You didn't hear any shot after you saw him hit?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - I heard the second--after the first shot--I saw him leaning over and after the second shot--it's possible after what I saw, you know, then I started yelling, "They killed him, they killed him," and I just felt that somebody had ganged up on him and I was still shooting the pictures until he got under the underpass--I don't even know how I did it. And then, I didn't even remember how I got down from that abutment there, but there I was, I guess, and I was walking toward--back toward my office and screaming, "They killed him, they killed him," and the people that I met on the way didn't even know what happened and they kept yelling, "What happened, what happened, what happened?" It seemed that they had heard a shot but they didn't know exactly what had happened as the car sped away, and I kept on just yelling, "They killed him, they killed him, they killed him," and finally got to my office and my secretary--I told her to call the police or the Secret Service--I don't know what she was doing, and that's about all. I was very much upset. Naturally, I couldn't imagine such a thing being done. I just went to my desk and stopped there until the police came and then we were required to get a place to develop the films. I knew I had something, I figured it might be of some help--I didn't know what.
As to what happened--I remember the police were running behind me. There were police running right behind me. Of course, they didn't realize yet, I guess, where the shot came from--that it came from that height.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/zapruder.htm

(https://i.postimg.cc/dtdpHvZ0/zapruder-wfaatv-a.gif)

JohnM
John: Zapruder said he heard two shots. Not three. Zapruder: "I never even heard a third shot."

If there was a startle reaction after each shot why didn't he remember that third shot/noise that caused that third startle/reaction?

Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald? And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Jarrett Smith on May 09, 2026, 09:37:08 PM
• These two morphs that I put together show smooth rotation because they both came from impossible to fake stereoscopic pairs. The first GIF shows Kennedy's left brain hemisphere to be intact and the flap over the right temple as seen in Zapruder. And the second GIF shows the back of Kennedy's head to be intact with a solitary bullet entrance hole where the hair is parted, next to the top of the ruler. Sorry bout that CT's!

(https://i.postimg.cc/vB9TkrHY/JFKAutopsy-Morphsmallermoreframes.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dtdMC5Nn/BOH-JFK.gif)

JohnM


Dr. Boswell said skull was missing down to the base of the ear, and if the scalp wasn't pulled up over it was open. Also, according to him that's not a bullet hole, but a laceration to the scalp. The entry was lower. So, the photo is 100% legit and would match Z-335 if the scalp was let go.

(https://www.artnet.com/WebServices/images/ll00307lldCjmJFgOjECfDrCWvaHBOcup1F/abraham-zapruder-a-series-of-36-film-stills-and-40-color-slides-from-the-zapruder-film-of-president-kennedys.jpg)
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: John Corbett on May 09, 2026, 11:22:45 PM
To do the   shooting in front of the cameras, Ruby must have really been upset.

Why did Ruby go  before cameras and say it’s people in high places and we will never know the truth?


He was facing a capital murder charge and might say just about anything to escape the electric chair.
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He changed it  later to the “He was just angry” story.  So if his original statement was a ploy to gain some plea bargain leverage, he sure screwed himself it seems.

UNLESS… Ruby was promised a deal in exchange for changing his statement , after which they killed him in prison with an injection and created false documents that he had cancer and died of pneumonia.

I hate being suspicious but somebody has to keep up the CT side of the spectrum on this forum since most of them are over at that other forum.

Even if he had not succumbed to cancer, it is highly unlikely Ruby would have actually been executed. I don't even think Oswald would have been executed had Ruby not killed him. That's why I'm glad Ruby did what he did even though I can't justify it legally or morally. Oswald got what he deserved and wouldn't have if Ruby hadn't killed him.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald? And other interesting stuff.
Post by: David Von Pein on May 10, 2026, 12:49:51 AM
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhQCNzAjnDg7wWcsEonSFRtqWmDpP0kryDKjJJ0rmAkc5Z9fQilDZn4P0gYh_-Ees3IpyvrB_8nkFa86qDjH-hrSiwq3GziNcmyOObEYoA0he12JtAavMqSX26WZ1xWWAFXCTVs3APu2mo/s1600/Lee-Harvey-Oswald-Is-Shot-By-Jack-Ruby.gif)
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald? And other interesting stuff.
Post by: David Von Pein on May 10, 2026, 12:50:17 AM
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald? And other interesting stuff.
Post by: John Mytton on May 10, 2026, 01:54:45 AM

Thanks David, I was pretty sure before but with that higher quality clip, the car's bumper definitely strikes Ruby as he slightly buckles, also it's easier to see the bottom of the jacket partially obscure the headlight.

(https://i.postimg.cc/G3g4RXnN/car-hits-Ruby-reverse-brighter.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald? And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Charles Collins on May 10, 2026, 10:36:45 AM
Thanks David, I was pretty sure before but with that higher quality clip, the car's bumper definitely strikes Ruby as he slightly buckles, also it's easier to see the bottom of the jacket partially obscure the headlight.

(https://i.postimg.cc/G3g4RXnN/car-hits-Ruby-reverse-brighter.gif)

JohnM

Thanks John and David, it has been quite a few years ago that I was saying that it looked to me like the car struck Ruby. And there was a lot of people who disagreed. We didn’t have these high quality GIFs to go by. It is great to know I wasn’t “seeing things that I wanted to see”. This sometimes happens to me, and others I believe.

What some of us might have interpreted as Ruby lunging toward (or even kicking) LHO seems to me to be Ruby instinctively moving rapidly (as he sensed the car graze his leg) to get out of the car’s way and to keep his feet under him. At the same time the officers were grabbing at him and trying to get the gun and subdue Ruby. It’s a very interesting clip of some fast acting men.

Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Jarrett Smith on May 10, 2026, 08:51:53 PM
To do the   shooting in front of the cameras, Ruby must have really been upset.

Why did Ruby go  before cameras and say it’s people in high places and we will never know the truth?

He changed it  later to the “He was just angry” story.  So if his original statement was a ploy to gain some plea bargain leverage, he sure screwed himself it seems.

UNLESS… Ruby was promised a deal in exchange for changing his statement , after which they killed him in prison with an injection and created false documents that he had cancer and died of pneumonia.

I hate being suspicious but somebody has to keep up the CT side of the spectrum on this forum since most of them are over at that other forum.

Ruby did what he was told to do. He was stalking Oswald all weekend waiting for his chance to silence him.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: John Corbett on May 10, 2026, 09:13:16 PM
Ruby did what he was told to do. He was stalking Oswald all weekend waiting for his chance to silence him.

Who told him and how do you know about it.

If Ruby was stalking Oswald, why wasn't he in the garage at the time Oswald was supposed to be transferred.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Jarrett Smith on May 11, 2026, 05:14:39 AM
Who told him and how do you know about it.

If Ruby was stalking Oswald, why wasn't he in the garage at the time Oswald was supposed to be transferred.

Another top assassination suspect, Dallas striptease club owner Jack Ruby, had concrete connections to the Marcello crime family, according to a 1979 report by House assassination investigators. The report found that:

Ruby was a friend and business associate of Joseph Civello, Marcello's top deputy in Dallas. Ruby was also very close to Joe Campisi – considered to be the No. 2 man in the Dallas Mafia hierarchy. Campisi was on such good terms with Marcello that he sent the Marcello family 260 pounds of homemade sausage every Christmas.
Joe Campisi – the owner of Dallas's Egyptian Lounge – said he dined with Ruby at the lounge the evening before Kennedy was murdered. Campisi also admitted that he visited Ruby in the Dallas County Jail six days after Ruby murdered Oswald.
Ruby met with four New Orleans nightclub operators and Marcello associates in June and October 1963. And Ruby made a telephone call on Oct. 30, 1963 to the New Orleans office of Marcello gang member Nofio Pecora, whose associate, Emile Bruneau, had bailed Lee Harvey Oswald out of jail that summer.

https://crimemagazine.com/carlos-marcello-and-assassination-president-kennedy (https://crimemagazine.com/carlos-marcello-and-assassination-president-kennedy)

Ruby most likely was tipped off by a cop on the DPD about the transfer. Ruby lied about being at Parkland Hospital and he lied about entering the basement ramp to kill Oswald.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: John Corbett on May 11, 2026, 12:51:20 PM
Another top assassination suspect, Dallas striptease club owner Jack Ruby, had concrete connections to the Marcello crime family, according to a 1979 report by House assassination investigators. The report found that:

Ruby was a friend and business associate of Joseph Civello, Marcello's top deputy in Dallas. Ruby was also very close to Joe Campisi – considered to be the No. 2 man in the Dallas Mafia hierarchy. Campisi was on such good terms with Marcello that he sent the Marcello family 260 pounds of homemade sausage every Christmas.
Joe Campisi – the owner of Dallas's Egyptian Lounge – said he dined with Ruby at the lounge the evening before Kennedy was murdered. Campisi also admitted that he visited Ruby in the Dallas County Jail six days after Ruby murdered Oswald.
Ruby met with four New Orleans nightclub operators and Marcello associates in June and October 1963. And Ruby made a telephone call on Oct. 30, 1963 to the New Orleans office of Marcello gang member Nofio Pecora, whose associate, Emile Bruneau, had bailed Lee Harvey Oswald out of jail that summer.

https://crimemagazine.com/carlos-marcello-and-assassination-president-kennedy (https://crimemagazine.com/carlos-marcello-and-assassination-president-kennedy)

Ruby most likely was tipped off by a cop on the DPD about the transfer. Ruby lied about being at Parkland Hospital and he lied about entering the basement ramp to kill Oswald.

Why would the Mafia want to kill lone gunman Oswald?
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald? And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Steve Barber on May 11, 2026, 03:01:38 PM
Several years ago, I noticed that once he hit the floor, Oswald was lifted up by Jim Leavelle as he is struggling to stop Jack Ruby from shooting Oswald a second time.  I focused on Oswald in the films once he disappeared from view, and saw that he was raised from the floor during the scuffle.

 I notice, upon seeing the enhanced videos included within this post, that Jack Ruby (after being lightly struck by the vehicle that's back into place to carry Oswald across town) appears to lose his footing with his left foot as he hurriedly begins taking another step towards Oswald.  I also noticed that the coat tail on Ruby's suit coat can be seen against the tail light of the car as it's backing in. I also noticed that Oswald's feet completely leave the floor, once he's shot. I also notice that Ruby's gun, still in his hand along with the hand(s) of L.C. Graves, can be seen between Grave's legs from behind Graves as Grave's is trying to remove the gun from Ruby's hand.
 
 Just my own observation.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Jarrett Smith on May 11, 2026, 08:44:05 PM
Why would the Mafia want to kill lone gunman Oswald?

Lone gunman? bang.....bang..bang, no way he could fire those last two shots.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: John Corbett on May 12, 2026, 12:08:21 AM
Lone gunman? bang.....bang..bang, no way he could fire those last two shots.

35 years of dealing with CTs tells me this is pointless but I'll ask the question anyway. Why do you think Oswald could not have fired those last two shots.

I will be most surprised if you even attempt to answer.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Zeon Mason on May 12, 2026, 02:09:03 AM
Who told him and how do you know about it.

If Ruby was stalking Oswald, why wasn't he in the garage at the time Oswald was supposed to be transferred.

“This is an example of trying to make a point by asking a question. Questions are no evidence. You need to find answers”.  -John Corbett’s response  to me asking the question “where was the Babushka lady film?”🤗
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Zeon Mason on May 12, 2026, 02:13:35 AM
35 years of dealing with CTs tells me this is pointless but I'll ask the question anyway. Why do you think Oswald could not have fired those last two shots.

I will be most surprised if you even attempt to answer.

I’ll bet it’s because he read what SS agent Hickey said about how he heard all 3 shots in about 5 secs and that the last 2 were so close together that there was virtually no time between them.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Bill Brown on May 13, 2026, 05:39:18 AM
Who told him and how do you know about it.

If Ruby was stalking Oswald, why wasn't he in the garage at the time Oswald was supposed to be transferred.

For the record, there was never a "time Oswald was supposed to be transferred".

Curry simply told the world's press that as long as they were present the next morning by 10 AM, they wouldn't miss anything.  That is not to say the transfer was scheduled for a particular time, but instead it was "scheduled" for ANY time after 10 AM.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: John Corbett on May 13, 2026, 01:19:43 PM
For the record, there was never a "time Oswald was supposed to be transferred".

Curry simply told the world's press that as long as they were present the next morning by 10 AM, they wouldn't miss anything.  That is not to say the transfer was scheduled for a particular time, but instead it was "scheduled" for ANY time after 10 AM.

Anyone planning to kill Oswald would take that to mean he needed to be in the garage by 10 AM if he wanted to kill Oswald. Otherwise, he could miss his chance, Oswald would have been transferred to the county jail, stood trial, been convicted, sentenced to death, been spared by SCOTUS in 1972 and he might still be doing time in the Texas state penitentiary.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald? And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Zeon Mason on May 13, 2026, 08:31:58 PM
If it was a conspiracy to silence Oswald, Ruby shooting him in front of cameras was about the dumbest way to do it  since there were other stealthier ways to do it.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: John Corbett on May 13, 2026, 09:25:37 PM
“This is an example of trying to make a point by asking a question. Questions are no evidence. You need to find answers”.  -John Corbett’s response  to me asking the question “where was the Babushka lady film?”🤗

I don't use questions to make a point. I use questions to point out the fallacies in other people's claims. What I see the CTs do is use unanswered questions as evidence of conspiracy. That's when I tell them you can't use unanswered questions as evidence. They need to answer those questions if they want them to be evidentiary.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: Bill Brown on May 14, 2026, 03:22:46 AM
Anyone planning to kill Oswald would take that to mean he needed to be in the garage by 10 AM if he wanted to kill Oswald. Otherwise, he could miss his chance, Oswald would have been transferred to the county jail, stood trial, been convicted, sentenced to death, been spared by SCOTUS in 1972 and he might still be doing time in the Texas state penitentiary.

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Anyone planning to kill Oswald would take that to mean he needed to be in the garage by 10 AM if he wanted to kill Oswald

Agreed.  I'm just saying there was no actual time that Oswald was supposed to be transferred; only that it was going to be after 10 AM.
Title: Re: Jack Ruby kicks Oswald! And other interesting stuff.
Post by: John Corbett on May 14, 2026, 03:34:01 AM
Agreed.  I'm just saying there was no actual time that Oswald was supposed to be transferred; only that it was going to be after 10 AM.

Had Ruby not needed to wire money via Western Union to one of his dancers, he probably would have seen Oswald peacefully transferred on TV from his apartment.