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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Robin Unger on April 28, 2026, 11:57:40 AM
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Bell Film Gif.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pVjFsChr/Bell-7.gif)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/tRFzspzx/Bell-2.gif)
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Officer Haygood as he leaves his motorcycle and start running up the grassy knoll.
(https://i.postimg.cc/jjRpFMSx/Bell-5.gif)
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Jean Hill, Mary Morman, Charles Brehm, Babushka lady.
We see Jean Hill and Babushka lady running up the steps leading to the car-park area.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PrShkG0q/Bell-6.gif)
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Here are 2 gifs of the Bell footage.
Robin Unger's gif(s) (see OP) might have better quality frames than my gifs.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4xNr8BB5/bell-9jan2023-ezgif.gif)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vZkWsXsq/gif-15f199de-616c-4578-94c6-4cd9f77b45d1.gif)
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Here is a giff i found on this forum -- i forget where, & who.
It shows Hoffman's Falcon in a Bell early sequence.
I could make a giff of Hoffman's Falcon stopping in Bell's much later sequence, but there are only about 4 frames, mostly blurry, not worth it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hjKZ4b57/bell-giff-falcon.gif)
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I reckon that Bell took footage from 3 locations, shown by the stars.
I triangulated various features in various frames.
1. Here Bell is on a pedestal at the North Peristyle (as seen in the photo). [edit][see reply #13][bell was actually on the eastern end of the pedestal wall]
2. Bell jumps down, & then climbs down onto the raised garden bed to (2).
Bell isn’t seen at (2) in Bronson's photo or film koz Bell is late, or praps he is hidden by the peristyle.
I doubt that Bell's pozzy (2) was in the peristyle. I prefer that he was down in the garden.
3. Bell crosses to the south of Main St.
In the Daniel footage (Robin Unger gallery Daniel 47/180) we can briefly see someone who is too far south (right) to be Bell, & too near to be Bell, & too soon to be Bell.
And the area in the garden bed is very dark, possibly shaded by a tree, hence Bell could be there but not vizible.
Bell's footage has lots of stops/starts, & lots of blurred fast panning, & times when he changes lens.
And its all made more confusing koz i think that some youtubes have mixed up the sequences.
After Bell crosses to the south of Main St, (i think) we can see Bell in Underwood's footage (it has been said that it is not Darnell's footage) [edit 1Oct2021][James advises that the footage is probly Darnell] taken a long time after Bell has stopped filming at (3).
Bell is one of the 2 figures – i think he is the figure on the left, nearer Main St.
So, Bell hung around for a while.
Hmmmm -- i have changed my mind -- i think Bell is the figure on the right -- the figure on the left might be the big guy that was up on the pedestal with Bell at (1).
James Hackerott.
I was looking for a film clip taken from the top of the knoll four to five minutes after the assassination. Some researchers assign it to Darnell, but it was not in Darnell, or Couch either. I'm thinking it probably was filmed by Jim Underwood after he filmed and followed the crowd climbing the knoll steps.
[edit 1Oct2021][James advises that the footage is probly Darnell]
4. Later, Bell took some footage of Dealey Plaza from his workplace (an upper floor of the postal building south of Commerce St)(not shown here).
(https://i.postimg.cc/XJnqwKFR/a-Bell-s-locations.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MGM8rKHH/a-Bell-on-pedestal-in-north-peristyle.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/yYDpYwqQ/daniel-view-of-peristyle-47-cropped.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zGXg340R/google-daniel-view-of-peristyle.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/dQ8JY1BT/a-Bell-in-Underwood-south-of-main-st.jpg)
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In this printscreen that i made of a youtube of the Bell footage
we can see the top say 30 inches of Officer Murphy
(standing on the eastern side of the Stemmons overpass)(hi up on his 3-wheeler).
Our view of him is mostly blocked by the overhead signs.
The JFK limo will pass under him in about 10 sec as it enters the Stemmons on-ramp.
We know its Murphy koz that dark lump duznt appear in early frames, & is seen in later frames.
Murphy appears to be very high up. I am fairly certain that there aint any high curb for him to stand on.
I suspect that he heard the shooting & sirens & he stood high up on his 3-wheeler.
Murphy heard Oswald's shot-1 at 0.8 sec after Z113, then Oswald's shot-2 5.7 sec later at Z218, then Hickey's shots-123456 5.0 sec later at Z313.
It calculates to 5.2 sec but i had to deduct 0.2 sec koz of the diff in travel times for the sound of shots by Oswald who is further away than Hickey.
Murphy wasn't visible in Bell's footage when JFK's limo was half in shade entering the triple underpass at Z468.
And then Murphy was fully up & visible at Z470 when the limo was 3/4 in shade.
Z313 to Z468 is 55 frames ie 3.0 sec, hence Murphy reacted to the final shots in 2.5 sec (allowing 0.5 sec for the speed of sound).
Yes, Murphy didnt react to Óswald's shots, but Hickey's auto burst finally did the trick.
We can see say 2.5 ft of Murphy over the signage, & the signage is 61 yd away from him, which is 1/5th
of the distance to Bell (308 yd), hence that 2.5 ft gains him say 12.5 ft of extra vertical vision at Bell, but Bell is standing in the peristyle, or in the garden bed in front of the peristyle,
& that 12.5 ft has to be measured down from the level of Bell's camera.
(https://i.postimg.cc/DwSzMpTx/bell-Murphy.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bbpmj9q3/bell-Murphy.jpg)
Actually, Robin Unger's gallery of Bell's footage has 56/208 which shows Murphy high up over the signage.
In my other thread i show that one of Robin's frames shows that later Murphy moves to the western barrier after JFK & Co have passed.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HsmYrLFj/Bell-56of208.jpg)
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A comparison of the height of Bell's camera in the Bell frames versus today's google street view i think suggests that Bell
was not standing in the peristyle, more likely he was standing lower, eg in the garden bed below the peristyle (ie having jumped down).
Standing in the garden, Bell's camera would have been level with the concrete barricade here (based on other photos that i saw),
which would be say 3 ft lower than when standing inside the barrier (not a lot of difference).
(https://i.postimg.cc/QC6bv8Fh/google-view-from-peristyle-closeup-2.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/dQ6fcvCb/google-view-from-peristyle-1.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bbpmj9q3/bell-Murphy.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/nc8Xp76c/aa-bell-14-hoffman-sitting-at-lookout.jpg)
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Altgens 7 crop
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Altgens%20Gallery/alt7crop_small.jpg)
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Cabluck.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Cabluck%20Gallery/cabluck%20knoll%203_small.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Cabluck%20Gallery/cabluck2_small.jpg)
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Interesting that McIntyre left the backup car temporarily as it was proceeding under the overpass.
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Interesting that McIntyre left the backup car temporarily as it was proceeding under the overpass.
https://jfk-online.com/mcintyre.html (https://jfk-online.com/mcintyre.html)
Statement: William T. Mcintyre
As the motorcade departed Love Field, the President's car was closely followed by the Secret Service follow-up car, which maintained its position throughout the events of the day. Agent Roberts was seated in the front seat of the follow-up car, next to the driver. Kenneth O'Donnell was seated to the left of David Powers, in the jump seats of the car. Agents George Hickey, a driver, and Glen Bennett, were in the rear seat, with Bennett on Hickey's right. Agents Ready and Landis rode the right running board, with Landis behind Ready, and agent Clint Hill and I rode the left running board, Hill being in front of me.
The motorcade was scheduled to last approximately 45 minutes. As we passed through downtown Dallas, crowds were quite heavy, and two motorcycles, on either flank of the Presidential vehicle, were of considerable assistance in keeping the motorcade clear.
As the motorcade cleared the main downtown area, it made a right turn, went approximately one block, and then executed a left turn. After this turn, there was essentially no crowd, and green expanses of lawn stretched to the right and left of the motorcade.
Directly in front of us was an underpass with a green sign with white lettering, stating "Entering Thornton Freeway."
The Presidential vehicle was approximately 200 feet from the underpass when the first shot was fired, followed in quick succession by two more. I would estimate that all three shots were fired within 5 seconds. After the second shot, I looked at the President and witnessed his being struck in the head by the third and last shot. By that time, Mr. Roberts had used the radio in our car to direct the vehicles to a hospital. Most, if not all the agents in the follow-up car had drawn their weapons and agent Hickey was handling the AR-15. None of us could determine the origin of the shots, and no shots were fired by any agent.
Upon arrival at the hospital, agent Bennett and I escorted then Vice-President Johnson into a vacant treatment room. Agents Youngblood and Kivett stayed with him while agent Taylor and I stood nearby. Agent Bennett established security outside the door to the room.
The shooting occurred at approximately 12:25 pm, and we had reached the hospital at approximately 12:30 pm.
Shortly after 1:30 pm, the Vice-President and Mrs. Johnson were taken to Love Field and placed aboard AF 1. Agents Lawton, Ready, and I established security around the aircraft. Within a short time, Mrs. Kennedy, accompanying the body of President Kennedy, arrived at Love Field, and boarded AF 1. AF I then departed Dallas, Texas, at what I think was about 2:15 pm. At 3:15 pm, agents Roberts, Lawton, Ready, and I departed Dallas, Texas via AF 6970, the back-up plane, and arrived at Andrews Air Force Base at 6:30 pm. We all then returned to the White House, and submitted summarized reports of the day's events to Mr. Roberts.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Altgens%20Gallery/altgensz_small.jpg)
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Every once in a while I come across something I had never seen before and the picture of the boy waving at the presidential limo after it had gone under the overpass is one such picture. I had seen a similar black and white picture taken from a bit further away, but this one is new. Those two boys probably had no I idea what had just happened. I wonder what they were thinking when they couldn't see the President but instead saw Clint Hill laying across the trunk of the car. The boys look like they were about my age at the time.
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Every once in a while I come across something I had never seen before and the picture of the boy waving at the presidential limo after it had gone under the overpass is one such picture. I had seen a similar black and white picture taken from a bit further away, but this one is new. Those two boys probably had no I idea what had just happened. I wonder what they were thinking when they couldn't see the President but instead saw Clint Hill laying across the trunk of the car. The boys look like they were about my age at the time.
Sounds like you are talking about the Daniel Film.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Daniel%20Gallery/Daniel_small.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Daniel%20Gallery/daniel15_small.jpg)
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Sounds like you are talking about the Daniel Film.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Daniel%20Gallery/Daniel_small.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Daniel%20Gallery/daniel15_small.jpg)
Robin would a clearer blowup show Bell standing/filming in front of the peristyle in the uppest part of that pix.
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Bell Film Gif.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pVjFsChr/Bell-7.gif)
Thanks Robin, it's good to see you posting again and all these GIFs, videos and images are really helpful in visualizing the events surrounding this tragic day.
JohnM
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Thanks Robin, it's good to see you posting again and all these GIFs, videos and images are really helpful in visualizing the events surrounding this tragic day.
JohnM
Thanks John.
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Robin would a clearer blowup show Bell standing/filming in front of the peristyle in the uppest part of that pix.
I will look through the images to see if i can find Bell infront of the peristyle.
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Sounds like you are talking about the Daniel Film.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Daniel%20Gallery/Daniel_small.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Daniel%20Gallery/daniel15_small.jpg)
Very interesting. Had Daniel stuck with his original plan, we might have had a second version of the Z-film. I wonder what else that might have revealed.
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Bell film showing the limo passing the TSBD
(https://i.postimg.cc/sgYwmpk3/Bell2.gif)
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Bell frame:
(https://i.postimg.cc/MH83Yd9b/20260429-222821.jpg)
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Bell frame:
(https://i.postimg.cc/MH83Yd9b/20260429-222821.jpg)
ROBIN - Thanks for posting the above Bell Film still frame. That image is extremely interesting with respect to the distance between the JFK Limo and the Lead Car we see entering the shadow of the Triple Underpass. We know based on other images that the JFK Limo would close the distance between these 2 vehicles extremely quickly. The gap between the 2 vehicles on the above still frame verifies the ASAIC Kellerman WC Testimony of the JFK Limo accelerating to the point of, "...jumping out of the G.D. street". Which begs the question of why NONE of Kellerman's, "...jumped out of the G.D. street" description of the acceleration of the JFK Limo is visible on the Current Zapruder Film?
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"The 6th floor museum copy of the Bell Film."
This is where i got the frames for my Bell Gifs
1920x1080 Frame Size
57MB size
Click on the link:
When the page opens click on "Download" in the top right corner.
https://app.box.com/s/0byzofmafbo5nw6qnl757rjyt4ls7reg (https://app.box.com/s/0byzofmafbo5nw6qnl757rjyt4ls7reg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MHb1V83Y/Screenshot-2026-04-29-234510.png)
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Interesting that McIntyre left the backup car temporarily as it was proceeding under the overpass.
McIntyre almost falling off of the Queen Mary (L) running board strikes to the heart of a currently active thread on this Forum. That thread addresses the smell of "gunpowder" and whether SA Hickey possibly firing the AR-15 was responsible for the "gunpowder" odor. We need to remember that McIntyre was standing on the rear of the (L) running board. This placed McIntyre right next to SA Hickey who was sitting in the (L) Backseat of the Queen Mary. McIntyre being right next to SA Hickey, would also place McIntyre right next to the AR-15 held by SA Hickey. SA Hickey waving around a just fired AR-15 may have put the Hot Barrel of that rifle within inches of McIntyre. This may account for McIntyre almost falling off of the running board as the Queen Mary neared the Triple Underpass. McIntyre was startled.
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Which begs the question of why NONE of Kellerman's, "...jumped out of the G.D. street" description of the acceleration of the JFK Limo is visible on the Current Zapruder Film?
More pointless anomaly "spotting" by Royell Storing! The limo 100% clearly accelerates in the Zapruder film after the head shot.
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More pointless anomaly "spotting" by Royell Storing! The limo 100% clearly accelerates in the Zapruder film after the head shot.
"Accelerates"? Cars "accelerate" out of a simple turn all day, every day. That is Not, "jumping out of the G.D. street", as ASAIC Kellerman testified.
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More pointless anomaly "spotting" by Royell Storing! The limo 100% clearly accelerates in the Zapruder film after the head shot.
Bronson shows McIntyre looking at Hickey az Hickey fires.
And Bronson shows McIntyre looking at jfk after Hickey fires.
So, McIntyre did not see jfk's head blown off.