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Title: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on April 25, 2026, 09:47:34 PM
The final shot likely came from the bridge (or the "Triple Overpass")...
Cancellare caught this fellow sitting on the other side of the bridge...
Either a police officer... or dressed up to look like one...
I believe Unger colorized the second pic...
The last pic is a rendition to help viewer orientation...


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Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Tom Graves on April 25, 2026, 09:49:15 PM
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All I know is that you should be made to walk the plank.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: John Corbett on April 25, 2026, 11:59:52 PM
How dumb would the conspirators have to be to put a shooter on the overpass. That's even dumber than putting a shooter on the grassy knoll.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on April 26, 2026, 05:21:44 PM
How dumb would the conspirators have to be to put a shooter on the overpass. That's even dumber than putting a shooter on the grassy knoll.

Pretty smart, actually...
He's in the very best place for a sniper... with a slowing object coming toward him (thanks to Bill "Rubbernecking" Greer applying brakes)... and hidden behind the bridge posts... similar to the practice of ancient forts...
Not to mention the gathering crowd on the scene, obviously thinking this area might be the source of the last shot...


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Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: John Corbett on April 26, 2026, 06:05:09 PM
You don't think all those other spectators would see a shooter on the overpass or hear his gunshot?

Do conspiracy hobbyists ever think through their theories?
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on April 26, 2026, 09:17:22 PM
You don't think all those other spectators would see a shooter on the overpass or hear his gunshot?

Do conspiracy hobbyists ever think through their theories?

Perhaps they, or several of them, actually did see a shooter and hear his gunshot or see gun smoke... and that is why a crowd gathered there at the bridge (and why Mark Bell panned his camera over this area more than once).
BUT in a conspiracy to cover-up a dirty deed, the people who say they saw something here are the very people you avoid interviewing or dismiss for one or a dozen concocted reasons...

Cancellare caught on camera someone dressed in a police uniform sitting behind the bridge, in the perfect location to make the final shot at the president.

Why should the shooter be alarmed? He's wearing a police uniform and everyone knows he's "sworn to uphold the law."
Why be alarmed? He's part of a conspiracy and knows his co-conspirators are in positions of power and have planned to pin it all on Oswald - or one or two others on the scene - if the Oswald scenario doesn't play out as expected.


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Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Duncan MacRae on April 26, 2026, 10:09:31 PM
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Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on April 27, 2026, 07:30:12 PM
While we're all looking at the bridge, what do we think these two fellows are doing?

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Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Tommy Shanks on April 27, 2026, 08:07:27 PM
Why does anybody engage with this guy? He and Royell Storing have single handedly made the JFK research world look dumber than any pairing since James Fetzer and Jack White !!
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on April 27, 2026, 08:56:48 PM
Why does anybody engage with this guy? He and Royell Storing have single handedly made the JFK research world look dumber than any pairing since James Fetzer and Jack White !!
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Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: John Corbett on April 27, 2026, 09:09:39 PM
Why does anybody engage with this guy? He and Royell Storing have single handedly made the JFK research world look dumber than any pairing since James Fetzer and Jack White !!

I think he's on to something. It looks like the guy on the bridge is firing a finger gun at the motorcade.

It does say something for JFKA conspiracy research community that they have to come up with ever more ridiculous scenarios to try to be relevant. It's not working.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Royell Storing on April 27, 2026, 11:24:51 PM
Why does anybody engage with this guy? He and Royell Storing have single handedly made the JFK research world look dumber than any pairing since James Fetzer and Jack White !!

   Jack White was the partner of Gary Mack. Why have you NOT Included the name of Gary Mack above? Gary was a good guy, but he committed more Boners than MLB's Fred Merkle.  You definitely need to expand the membership of the club you started above.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: John Corbett on April 28, 2026, 02:11:53 AM
   Jack White was the partner of Gary Mack. Why have you NOT Included the name of Gary Mack above? Gary was a good guy, but he committed more Boners than MLB's Fred Merkle.  You definitely need to expand the membership of the club you started above.

Poor Fred. Never was able to live that one down.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Royell Storing on April 28, 2026, 04:49:04 PM
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   Exactly WHAT is this "arrow" aimed at? It looks like the path of that arrow goes Behind the Light Pole, and somewhere up on the Grassy Knoll.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on April 28, 2026, 04:56:15 PM
   Exactly WHAT is this "arrow" aimed at? It looks like the path of that arrow goes Behind the Light Pole, and somewhere up on the Grassy Knoll.

It is an odd direction for sure... but the profile of someone "taking aim" is what begs for explanation...
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Royell Storing on April 28, 2026, 05:26:07 PM
It is an odd direction for sure... but the profile of someone "taking aim" is what begs for explanation...

   I see this guy placing his forearms on the concrete rail in front of him. I do Not see him "taking aim" at anything. 
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on April 28, 2026, 05:59:19 PM
   I see this guy placing his forearms on the concrete rail in front of him. I do Not see him "taking aim" at anything.

Here is a slightly enhanced image to show what appears to be the end of a barrel...

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Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Robin Unger on April 28, 2026, 08:24:04 PM
Altgens 7

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Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Zeon Mason on April 30, 2026, 07:43:43 PM
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You all just refuse to think as far out of the box as Jake obviously does. It could be that the ENTIRE group of people there on the bridge are conspirators.😵‍💫
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 13, 2026, 12:56:42 AM
You all just refuse to think as far out of the box as Jake obviously does. It could be that the ENTIRE group of people there on the bridge are conspirators.😵‍💫

Yes, I think you are correct…
It takes a little bit of investigative curiosity even to look for these things…
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: John Corbett on May 13, 2026, 01:31:17 PM
Yes, I think you are correct… It takes a little bit of investigative curiosity even to look for these things…

And way too much time on your hands.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Lance Payette on May 14, 2026, 12:28:53 AM
Why do Jake's Guy and the guy next to him look like they are both wearing hoodies? I don't recall anyone wearing hoodies in 1963. Are they time travelers, in which case they perhaps would have been invisible to the others on the bridge (but not to the camera, which is not fooled even by time travelers)? I congratulate Jake for finding an image where, yes, I can actually see a guy, and yes, he actually does seem to be holding something. It looks like the way a press photographer would be holding a large format camera, but why would time travelers be using large format cameras - unless, perhaps, they are time travelers from the past?

Edit: As it turns out, hoodies date to WAY before 1963. So much for the time traveler theory. The two guys do look spooky and vaguely demonic, but I'll let it go. I have no idea what the device is, but isn't a scope on a rifle. It appears to be attached to the front of whatever he's holding, like a telephoto lens on a camera.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 15, 2026, 05:06:34 PM
Why do Jake's Guy and the guy next to him look like they are both wearing hoodies? I don't recall anyone wearing hoodies in 1963. Are they time travelers, in which case they perhaps would have been invisible to the others on the bridge (but not to the camera, which is not fooled even by time travelers)? I congratulate Jake for finding an image where, yes, I can actually see a guy, and yes, he actually does seem to be holding something. It looks like the way a press photographer would be holding a large format camera, but why would time travelers be using large format cameras - unless, perhaps, they are time travelers from the past?

Edit: As it turns out, hoodies date to WAY before 1963. So much for the time traveler theory. The two guys do look spooky and vaguely demonic, but I'll let it go. I have no idea what the device is, but isn't a scope on a rifle. It appears to be attached to the front of whatever he's holding, like a telephoto lens on a camera.

Hoodies... or hats to make them look like railroad workers?
A gun or camera?
I think either should raise suspicion and compel further investigation... (And where are the photos?)
But regardless, his posture looks like he's taking aim at something...

Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on July 02, 2026, 11:50:49 PM

Was there any investigation of this person sitting behind the bridge whom Cancellare caught on camera seconds after the assassination?

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Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Dan O'meara on July 02, 2026, 11:56:12 PM
I wonder, Jake, if you fully understand the damage you do.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Lance Payette on July 03, 2026, 12:00:51 AM
I wonder, Jake, if you fully understand the damage you do.

 ::) Oh, the irony.  ::)
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Dan O'meara on July 03, 2026, 12:13:53 AM
::) Oh, the irony.  ::)

The irony of you posting this is truly Meta.
Tinfoil Nutters such as yourself are just as damaging but at least Jake isn't aware of the damage he does.
At least he doesn't mean it.
What kind of loser spends his time upholding the ridiculous lies of the Warren Commission?
What kind of loser defends the Warren Commission 63 years after the fact?
Get a life.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: John Corbett on July 03, 2026, 12:25:40 AM
The irony of you posting this is truly Meta.
Tinfoil Nutters such as yourself are just as damaging but at least Jake isn't aware of the damage he does.
At least he doesn't mean it.
What kind of loser spends his time upholding the ridiculous lies of the Warren Commission?
What kind of loser defends the Warren Commission 63 years after the fact?
Get a life.

Those who defend the WC are defending the truth. The one and only truth. You are entitled to believe any ridiculous scenario you want but there is only one truth. If you reject that one, you aren't entitled to a different one of your liking.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Dan O'meara on July 03, 2026, 12:51:02 AM
Those who defend the WC are defending the truth. The one and only truth. You are entitled to believe any ridiculous scenario you want but there is only one truth. If you reject that one, you aren't entitled to a different one of your liking.

Those who defend the obvious lies of the Warren Commission Report need some kind of mental inspection.
It is very possible that you are some kind of extreme lunatic with whom any kind of rational debate is impossible.
Has that ever occurred to you?
Remember - you are like a little child who has had their opinions provided for them. You haven't thought for yourself. You've just swallowed down what you've been told to swallow down.
I've worked for my knowledge and insights.

It's possible that you are just a gigantic loser.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Lance Payette on July 03, 2026, 12:51:30 AM
The irony of you posting this is truly Meta.
Tinfoil Nutters such as yourself are just as damaging but at least Jake isn't aware of the damage he does.
At least he doesn't mean it.
What kind of loser spends his time upholding the ridiculous lies of the Warren Commission?
What kind of loser defends the Warren Commission 63 years after the fact?
Get a life.

I just LOVE IT when pompous blowhards wet their pants in public!  :D :D :D

Jake, God love him, is fun. You're just tedious - except when you wet your pants in public, and then you're fun too!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Dan O'meara on July 03, 2026, 01:01:56 AM
I just LOVE IT when pompous blowhards wet their pants in public!  :D :D :D

Jake, God love him, is fun. You're just tedious - except when you wet your pants in public, and then you're fun too!  :D :D :D

 :D :D :D
You are the biggest loser that has ever posted on this forum.
I urge everyone to look through Lance's recent posts.
What a tiny cock!
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Royell Storing on July 03, 2026, 03:12:08 AM
:D :D :D
You are the biggest loser that has ever posted on this forum.
I urge everyone to look through Lance's recent posts.
What a tiny cock!

   Careful! He will sick his buddy Bart Kamp on you.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Duncan MacRae on July 03, 2026, 08:55:48 AM
Fun back and forth banter is allowed, just remember, i'm always......................................

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Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: John Corbett on July 03, 2026, 11:46:04 AM
Those who defend the obvious lies of the Warren Commission Report need some kind of mental inspection.
It is very possible that you are some kind of extreme lunatic with whom any kind of rational debate is impossible.
Has that ever occurred to you?
Remember - you are like a little child who has had their opinions provided for them. You haven't thought for yourself. You've just swallowed down what you've been told to swallow down.
I've worked for my knowledge and insights.

It's possible that you are just a gigantic loser.

Anyone who can look at the evidence and not conclude Oswald was the assassin ought not to be casting aspersions on the mental capacities of others.

You've been duped by conspiracy proponents over the years into believing myths. You are completely lacking in common sense.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Michael T. Griffith on July 03, 2026, 03:57:49 PM
The final shot likely came from the bridge...
Cancellare caught this fellow sitting on the other side of the bridge...
Either a police officer... or dressed up to look like one...
I believe Unger colorized the second pic...
The last pic is a rendition to help viewer orientation...


By "bridge" you mean the triple underpass. I don't think the spot you've identified on the triple underpass is a plausible shooting location.

However, I will point out that the first thing that DPD Chief Jesse Curry and Sheriff Bill Decker did after the shots rang out was to order their men to go to the area of the triple underpass and the railroad yard behind the grassy knoll to see what had happened, clearly indicating they believed shots had come from somewhere in that area.

And of course we know from the photographic evidence that large numbers of people in the plaza, including some police officers, rushed toward the grassy knoll after the shots were fired. We also know that J. C. Price saw a man running away from the grassy knoll fence and into the railroad yard right after the shooting. A number of witnesses said they smelled the pungent odor of gun powder on or near the knoll right after the shooting. And, the Wiegman film shows a small cloud of smoke hanging in front of the trees on the knoll, which confirms the eyewitness accounts of seeing gun smoke emitted from a point just behind the fence on the knoll during the shooting.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: John Corbett on July 03, 2026, 04:23:20 PM
By "bridge" you mean the triple underpass. I don't think the spot you've identified on the triple underpass is a plausible shooting location.

As if any place other than the sixth floor sniper's nest is viable, given the forensic evidence available.
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However, I will point out that the first thing that DPD Chief Jesse Curry and Sheriff Bill Decker did after the shots rang out was to order their men to go to the area of the triple underpass and the railroad yard behind the grassy knoll to see what had happened, clearly indicating they believed shots had come from somewhere in that area.

Which indicates they had no special powers of audio perception and could be fooled as to where the gunshots originated from.
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And of course we know from the photographic evidence that large numbers of people in the plaza, including some police officers, rushed toward the grassy knoll after the shots were fired. We also know that J. C. Price saw a man running away from the grassy knoll fence and into the railroad yard right after the shooting. A number of witnesses said they smelled the pungent odor of gun powder on or near the knoll right after the shooting. And, the Wiegman film shows a small cloud of smoke hanging in front of the trees on the knoll, which confirms the eyewitness accounts of seeing gun smoke emitted from a point just behind the fence on the knoll during the shooting.

All those people rushed to the GK and not one of them saw a gunman. Nor did Lee Bowers who was watching from an elevated position from behind the GK. You guys scoff at the SBT as requiring a magic bullet, then try and tell us there was a magic shooter who disappeared into thin air after firing the kill shot from behind the wooden fence.

As for the smell of gunpowder, the people who reported that were on Elm St. when they smelled it. Unless you want to argue the shooter fired from Elm St., that indicates the smell originated from a location some distance from Elm St. You would have us believe the gunpowder residue they smelled could travel to Elm St. from behind the wooden fence but not from the sniper's nest. A really illogical take on those reports.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Ted Sager on July 05, 2026, 01:46:34 PM
Seeing how K was hit in the head from behind removed chance of any shooter from front.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Gary Hemod on July 11, 2026, 01:01:24 AM
There was a cop on the North East end of the rail overpass and another on the south west.
They would have had good fields of view of the rail overpass.
The only blind spot possibly was where the bridge banister met the South knoll.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on July 11, 2026, 05:03:15 PM
You guys scoff at the SBT as requiring a magic bullet, then try and tell us there was a magic shooter who disappeared into thin air after firing the kill shot from behind the wooden fence.

All it would take for a shooter to disappear "into thin air" as you say, is for the shooter to be wearing a police uniform - either dressed to look like one, with false credentials - or actually an officer of the law and part of a larger conspiracy that included rogue law enforcement officials...

This person seated behind the bridge/overpass with a police uniform, is in the very best place to shoot the president... the target is coming toward him, the target is slowing thanks to Bill "Rubbernecking" Greer, and he is fairly hidden...


Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Steve Barber on July 12, 2026, 04:23:48 AM

No one ran to the underpass until DPD police officer Clyde Haygood ran there, following a radio transmission from Chief Curry to "Get men on top of that over-underpass, see what happened up there!  Go up to that overpass!"  Haygood can be seen parking his motorcycle at the north west curb in the Robert Hughes film.   The knoll is completely void of spectators, except for he and he alone running there, and climbing up onto the concrete abutment of the underpass where he began scanning the area.

 Furthermore, a photograph taken by Wilma Bond reveals Haygood as he reaches the underpass.  It wasn't until after he reached the underpass that people saw him running to that location and began to follow him up the knoll.  Haygood led the chase up the knoll following Chief Curry's transmission to go there.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on July 13, 2026, 03:15:02 PM
No one ran to the underpass until DPD police officer Clyde Haygood ran there, following a radio transmission from Chief Curry to "Get men on top of that over-underpass, see what happened up there!  Go up to that overpass!"  Haygood can be seen parking his motorcycle at the north west curb in the Robert Hughes film.   The knoll is completely void of spectators, except for he and he alone running there, and climbing up onto the concrete abutment of the underpass where he began scanning the area.

 Furthermore, a photograph taken by Wilma Bond reveals Haygood as he reaches the underpass.  It wasn't until after he reached the underpass that people saw him running to that location and began to follow him up the knoll.  Haygood led the chase up the knoll following Chief Curry's transmission to go there.

I would be interested in knowing what Chief Curry observed to suggest that something "happened up there!"
Perhaps the images below tell much of the story...


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Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: John Corbett on July 13, 2026, 03:27:10 PM
Curry was at the front of the motorcade and couldn't see what was happening behind him. He heard the shots as his car was approaching the underpass. It's not surprising that his impression was that someone fired from the bridge. It's very difficult to locate the source of gunfire by sound alone. That's why the shot-spotter technology used by many large cities uses triangulation to determine the source of gunfire.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Michael T. Griffith on July 14, 2026, 07:53:10 PM
As if any place other than the sixth floor sniper's nest is viable, given the forensic evidence available.

You know this claim is erroneous, but you just keep repeating it anyway. I've refuted this claim in several replies to you, and each time you've either summarily dismissed or offered lame explanations for the mountain of forensic evidence that points away from Oswald (the fact that the ammo that hit JFK's head behaved nothing like the kind of ammo that Oswald supposedly used, the fact that the head damage indicates the bullet was traveling at a high velocity [as even the Clark Panel noted, whereas the alleged murder weapon was a low-velocity rifle], the angles of the rear head shot and of the back-wound shot, the front-to-back fragmentation pattern seen on the skull x-rays, the small back-of-head fragments that could only be ricochet fragments, the evidence of a frontal entry wound on the skull x-rays, the fact that the back wound had no exit point, the evidence that the throat wound was an entry wound, etc.).

Which indicates they had no special powers of audio perception and could be fooled as to where the gunshots originated from.

Oh, of course. But, let me guess: The people who thought shots came from the TSBD, well, they had "special powers of audio perception," while the dozens of people who heard shots from the knoll were all "mistaken," right?

And, as you know (because I've pointed it out to you), a number of witnesses saw gun smoke coming from a spot behind the fence on the knoll during the shooting, and a small cloud of smoke can be seen hanging over a spot near the fence on the knoll in the Wiegman film.
 
All those people rushed to the GK and not one of them saw a gunman.

Wrong. Why do you keep repeating claims that you know are false? 

And what about J.C. Price, who watched the motorcade from the Terminal Annex Building in Dealey Plaza and who saw a man running from the fence into the railroad yard right after the shooting?

Nor did Lee Bowers who was watching from an elevated position from behind the GK.

Because, as Bowers explained, his attention was diverted to the bank of the knoll when a patrolman left the motorcade and roared up the knoll.

Speaking of Bowers, before the shooting, he observed two unfamiliar men standing on top of the knoll at the edge of the parking lot, within 10 or 15 feet of each other: "one man, middle-aged or slightly older, fairly heavy-set, in a white shirt, fairly dark trousers. Another younger man, about mid-twenties, in either a plaid shirt or a plaid coat or jacket." Impressively, the HSCA's acoustical scientists determined from the police dictabelt that a shot was fired from a location just a few feet from the area that Bowers described.

Bowers also observed three cars conduct what clearly appeared to be a recon of the area behind the knoll, one at a time, in the 35 minutes leading up to the assassination. One of the drivers appeared to be talking into a microphone. No federal or local police drove in the parking lot before the shooting.

During the shooting, Bowers said something unusual occurred where the two men were located: "there was some unusual occurrence -- a flash of light or smoke or something which caused me to feel like something out of the ordinary had occurred there."

As for the smell of gunpowder, the people who reported that were on Elm St. when they smelled it. Unless you want to argue the shooter fired from Elm St., that indicates the smell originated from a location some distance from Elm St. You would have us believe the gunpowder residue they smelled could travel to Elm St. from behind the wooden fence but not from the sniper's nest. A really illogical take on those reports.

I've answered this nonsense several times now, as have others, but you just keep repeating it. The only "really illogical take" is yours. It is vacuous to argue that the scent of gunpowder "originated some distance from Elm St." That's not how it works. The exact opposite is true: the pungent odor of gunpowder must have originated on the knoll in order to be detected by witnesses who were on or near the knoll during or right after the shooting, especially given the fact that several witnesses saw apparent gun smoke on the knoll and that a small cloud of smoke is visible above the fence on the Wiegman film.

Do you just not care that some people are bound to notice that you constantly repeat arguments that have been answered several times in previous replies? You seem to be hoping that readers won't read any of those previous replies and thus won't realize that you've been corrected on those arguments and are repeating them anyway.

 
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: John Corbett on July 14, 2026, 10:42:15 PM
You know this claim is erroneous, but you just keep repeating it anyway.

I keep repeating it because it is the truth.
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I've refuted this claim in several replies to you,

Disputing something isn't the same as refuting it. You do lots of the former and none of the latter.
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and each time you've either summarily dismissed or offered lame explanations for the mountain of forensic evidence that points away from Oswald

None of the forensic evidence points away from Oswald. That is a silly claim you make which you can't support.
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(the fact that the ammo that hit JFK's head behaved nothing like the kind of ammo that Oswald supposedly used, the fact that the head damage indicates the bullet was traveling at a high velocity [as even the Clark Panel noted, whereas the alleged murder weapon was a low-velocity rifle], the angles of the rear head shot and of the back-wound shot, the front-to-back fragmentation pattern seen on the skull x-rays, the small back-of-head fragments that could only be ricochet fragments, the evidence of a frontal entry wound on the skull x-rays, the fact that the back wound had no exit point, the evidence that the throat wound was an entry wound, etc.).

These are all claims you have made that you couldn't support if your life depended on it.
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Oh, of course. But, let me guess: The people who thought shots came from the TSBD, well, they had "special powers of audio perception," while the dozens of people who heard shots from the knoll were all "mistaken," right?

The people who said the shots came from the GK are corroborated the three spent shells found in the 6th floor sniper's nest and the murder weapon found elsewhere on the same floor. The are also support by eyewitnesses who saw a shooter in the 6th floor sniper's nest. There is zero forensic evidence of a shooter from the GK and zero eyewitnesses who saw a shooter anywhere on the GK either in front of or behind the fence. He keep taking big swings and you keep whiffing. You've got nothing.
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And, as you know (because I've pointed it out to you),

I know you have pointed out lots of things that are simply BS.
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a number of witnesses saw gun smoke coming from a spot behind the fence on the knoll during the shooting, and a small cloud of smoke can be seen hanging over a spot near the fence on the knoll in the Wiegman film.

Do you think your GK shooter was firing an 18th century musket because that is the only type of firearm that would emit enough smoke to be seen. The fact that you don't recognize this is further evidence how really, really bad at weighing evidence.
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Wrong. Why do you keep repeating claims that you know are false?

I know the things I say are true. You wish you could honestly say the same about your claims.
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And what about J.C. Price, who watched the motorcade from the Terminal Annex Building in Dealey Plaza and who saw a man running from the fence into the railroad yard right after the shooting?

A man running from the fence to the railroad yard is not evidence of a shooter. That is nothing more than a wild assumption on your part but since you have no forensic evidence and no witnesses to support your claim of a shooter on the GK, wild assumptions are all you have. If you dispute that, tell us:

1. What forensic evidence is there of a shooter on the GK.

2. Name an eyewitness to a shooter on the GK.

Can't do it? I didn't think so.
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Because, as Bowers explained, his attention was diverted to the bank of the knoll when a patrolman left the motorcade and roared up the knoll.

The patrolman didn't come up the GK until after the shots were fired. There was nothing that would have distracted Bowers at the time the shots were fired. Here is how Bowers described what he saw and heard DURING the shooting:

Mr. BALL - When you heard the sound, which way were you looking?
Mr. BOWERS - At the moment I heard the sound, I was looking directly towards the area---at the moment of the first shot, as close as my recollection serves, the car was out of sight behind this decorative masonry wall in the area.
Mr. BALL - And when you heard the second and third shot, could you see the car?
Mr. BOWERS - No; at the moment of the shots, I could---I do not think that it was in sight. It came in sight immediately following the last shot.
Mr. BALL - Did you see any activity in this high ground above Elm after the shot?
Mr. BOWERS - At the time of the shooting there seemed to be some commotion, and immediately following there was a motorcycle policeman who shot nearly all of the way to the top of the incline.
Mr. BALL - On his motorcycle?
Mr. BOWERS - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Did he come by way of Elm Street?
Mr. BOWERS - He was part of the motorcade and had left it for some reason, which I did not know.
Mr. BALL - He came up---
Mr. BOWERS - He came almost to the top and I believe abandoned his motorcycle for a moment and then got on it and proceeded, I don't know
Mr. BALL - How did he get up?
Mr. BOWERS - He just shot up over the curb and up.
Mr. BALL - He didn't come then by way of Ell, which dead ends there?
Mr. BOWERS - No; he left the motorcade and came up the incline on the motorcycle.
Mr. BALL - Was his motorcycle directed toward any particular people?
Mr. BOWERS - He came up into this area where there are some trees, and where I had described the two men were in the general vicinity of this.
Mr. BALL - Were the two men there at the time?
Mr. BOWERS - I--as far as I know, one of them was. The other I could not say.
The darker dressed man was too hard to distinguish from the trees. The white shirt, yes; I think he was.
Mr. BALL - When you said there was a commotion, what do you mean by that? What did it look like to you when you were looking at the commotion?
Mr. BOWERS - I just am unable to describe rather than it was something out of the ordinary, a sort of milling around, but something occurred in this particular spot which was out of the ordinary, which attracted my eye for some reason, which I could not identify.

Mr. BALL - You couldn't describe it?
Mr. BOWERS - Nothing that I could pinpoint as having happened that---

Nothing about seeing a shooter on his side of the fence. No mention of seeing a shooter anywhere. So much for your star witness.
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Speaking of Bowers, before the shooting, he observed two unfamiliar men standing on top of the knoll at the edge of the parking lot, within 10 or 15 feet of each other: "one man, middle-aged or slightly older, fairly heavy-set, in a white shirt, fairly dark trousers. Another younger man, about mid-twenties, in either a plaid shirt or a plaid coat or jacket." Impressively, the HSCA's acoustical scientists determined from the police dictabelt that a shot was fired from a location just a few feet from the area that Bowers described.

Seeing unfamiliar men is not the same as seeing a shooter. Another swing and a miss.
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Bowers also observed three cars conduct what clearly appeared to be a recon of the area behind the knoll, one at a time, in the 35 minutes leading up to the assassination. One of the drivers appeared to be talking into a microphone. No federal or local police drove in the parking lot before the shooting.

Tell us how that is evidence of a shooter on the GK.
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During the shooting, Bowers said something unusual occurred where the two men were located: "there was some unusual occurrence -- a flash of light or smoke or something which caused me to feel like something out of the ordinary had occurred there."

Still no evidence of a gunshot. Is this really the best you can do? Do you think this is more compelling than witnesses who saw a shooter in the sniper's nest, the presence of spent shells at the location the witnesses saw a shooter, and a rifle found nearby that was positively matched to the only two bullets recovered from the shooting. Given how bad you are at weighing evidence, you probably do.
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I've answered this nonsense several times now, as have others,

Your answers made no sense.
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but you just keep repeating it.

Because you keep giving silly answers.
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The only "really illogical take" is yours. It is vacuous to argue that the scent of gunpowder "originated some distance from Elm St."

Do you think it originated from Elm St.
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That's not how it works. The exact opposite is true: the pungent odor of gunpowder must have originated on the knoll in order to be detected by witnesses who were on or near the knoll during or right after the shooting, especially given the fact that several witnesses saw apparent gun smoke on the knoll and that a small cloud of smoke is visible above the fence on the Wiegman film.

A perfect example of you asserting something you cannot prove.
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Do you just not care that some people are bound to notice that you constantly repeat arguments that have been answered several times in previous replies? You seem to be hoping that readers won't read any of those previous replies and thus won't realize that you've been corrected on those arguments and are repeating them anyway.


It must suck being you. You've been at this for the better part of four decades, maybe longer for all I know, and all your efforts haven't amounted to a hill of beans.

Have a nice day!
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Zeon Mason on July 14, 2026, 11:03:51 PM
I would be interested in knowing what Chief Curry observed to suggest that something "happened up there!"
Perhaps the images below tell much of the story...


(https://i.ibb.co/kVT9cgPt/cancellareunger-small.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/dJQ32wfM/cancellarecrop-small.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zWpFmbcf/Screenshot-2026-04-25-at-4-42-17-PM.png)

I’d say the only way a shooter here would not be detected is if he used a short barrel suppressed rifle firing subsonic hollowpoint bullet and it was just one shot, the Z313 shot. The hollow point round caused the reverse explosion forwards and initial sight downward tilt of JFKs head at Z212 . The hollow point left a trail of smaller particles on the skull. Not for  certain if that trail of smaller particles particles seem in the skull X ray line up with this bridge location. 





Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on July 16, 2026, 12:29:41 AM
I’d say the only way a shooter here would not be detected is if he used a short barrel suppressed rifle firing subsonic hollowpoint bullet and it was just one shot, the Z313 shot. The hollow point round caused the reverse explosion forwards and initial sight downward tilt of JFKs head at Z212 . The hollow point left a trail of smaller particles on the skull. Not for certain if that trail of smaller particles particles seem in the skull X ray line up with this bridge location.


Perhaps someone with access to more resources can determine if a trail of particles lines up...
If a sniper had a choice, however, this is likely the preferred location...
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: John Corbett on July 16, 2026, 12:43:25 AM

Perhaps someone with access to more resources can determine if a trail of particles lines up...
If a sniper had a choice, however, this is likely the preferred location...


The bridge over the underpass was probably the dumbest place to shoot JFK from. Even dumber than the GK. Not only would he have been out in the open among numerous bystanders, he would have had to shoot through the windshield and had two intervening bodies between him and his target. When people dream this kind of nonsense up, do they ever give any serious thought to their theories? This question almost answers itself.
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: Jake Maxwell on July 16, 2026, 03:45:30 AM
The bridge over the underpass was probably the dumbest place to shoot JFK from. Even dumber than the GK. Not only would he have been out in the open among numerous bystanders, he would have had to shoot through the windshield and had two intervening bodies between him and his target. When people dream this kind of nonsense up, do they ever give any serious thought to their theories? This question almost answers itself.

No... you are wrong here.
This is the perfect place for a sniper dressed in a police uniform and part of a larger conspiracy...
There is a straight line from this position to the president... no interference from the windshield...
Title: Re: The final shot... from the bridge...
Post by: John Corbett on July 16, 2026, 12:21:48 PM
No... you are wrong here.
This is the perfect place for a sniper dressed in a police uniform and part of a larger conspiracy...
There is a straight line from this position to the president... no interference from the windshield...


The kook peanut gallery weighs in.