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The JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Steve Barber on April 18, 2026, 04:58:00 PM
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I wonder how many of the people who don't think Oswald could get from the 6th floor lto the 2nd floor lunchroom in time for his encounter with Baker believe he moved from the front steps in time for the meeting with Baker. There's as much chance that it is Elvis in the doorway than it is Oswald.
As for Groden, I last saw him at a table next to the GK selling his self-published books because none of the publishing houses would peddle his crap anymore. I almost felt sorry for him. Almost.
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Someone on that other web forum has posted Lifton's "Pig on an Leash," which all but accuses Groden of being a thief and grifter. It's interesting reading if you have the time.
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Grodens an honest guy doing his best in a complex case. Cut him some slack. At least he's out there trying to make things happen all these years.
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Hi Steve.
Weigman GIF
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Hi Steve.
https://app.box.com/s/l5k8ahxrdq0lj2jcw5uggpdrf5bkgkzf
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Robin - Thanks for posting the above Wiegman Film snippet. Just look through the legs of Fedora Man and those people standing near him. There is NO CAR measuring 17.5 feet long and standing almost 5 feet high parked alongside the Island behind these people. NOT YET!
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Darnell Frame:
(https://i.postimg.cc/bw4Jgq5z/20260419-184841.jpg)
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Darnell Frame:
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ROBIN - Thanks. That's a very clear still frame.
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Grodens an honest guy doing his best in a complex case. Cut him some slack. At least he's out there trying to make things happen all these years.
Gerry, this is an absolute falsehood. He stole evidence from the HSCA and printed fake autopsy photos in his books. There is nothing honest about him.
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Gerry, this is an absolute falsehood. He stole evidence from the HSCA and printed fake autopsy photos in his books. There is nothing honest about him.
Groden has been mooching off the JFKA for5 decades while contributing nothing of value to the discourse. I have no respect for the man.
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Gerry, this is an absolute falsehood. He stole evidence from the HSCA and printed fake autopsy photos in his books. There is nothing honest about him.
No he didn't. Those were still images from the JFK movie.
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Groden has been mooching off the JFKA for5 decades while contributing nothing of value to the discourse. I have no respect for the man.
He's done his best. It's a tough case to crack.
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Gerry, this is an absolute falsehood. He stole evidence from the HSCA and printed fake autopsy photos in his books. There is nothing honest about him.
He didn't steal anything. He made some copies for himself so he could study them.
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No he didn't. Those were still images from the JFK movie.
Please show me the citation from his book where he explicitly says those photos are from JFK and not real autopsy photos.
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He didn't steal anything. He made some copies for himself so he could study them.
Gerry, you're out in left field on this one. The copies he made for his own "study" were in very short order not only sold to tabloids but used prominently in his books, including High Treason. He has profited for decades on stolen material. You really need to read David Lifton's essay "Pig on a Leash."
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Darnell Frame:
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ROBIN - I have a question regarding the still frame above. (1) Did you crop this still frame a tad on both the (L) & (R) sides?
I believe I have matched your posted Darnell frame, with the same Darnell frame from the Darnell film posted on You Tube by - SixthFloorMuseum. The You Tube still frame shows open space behind the man's head on the (R) side. It also shows the entire license plate on the front end of the car on the extreme (L).
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ROBIN - I have a question regarding the still frame above. (1) Did you crop this still frame a tad on both the (L) & (R) sides?
I believe I have matched your posted Darnell frame, with the same Darnell frame from the Darnell film posted on You Tube by - SixthFloorMuseum. The You Tube still frame shows open space behind the man's head on the (R) side. It also shows the entire license plate on the front end of the car on the extreme (L).
ROBIN - "I have a question regarding the still frame above. (1) Did you crop this still frame a tad on both the (L) & (R) sides?"
No i posted the film frame as I found it.
Here is the film GIF.
https://app.box.com/s/6c53fk2dbdq5d5enwjde2c0bs1ahn10f
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ROBIN - "I have a question regarding the still frame above. (1) Did you crop this still frame a tad on both the (L) & (R) sides?"
No i posted the film frame as I found it.
Here is the film GIF.
https://app.box.com/s/6c53fk2dbdq5d5enwjde2c0bs1ahn10f
Thanks.
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He's done his best. It's a tough case to crack.
If what he has done is his best, he should have found another line of work.
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I think a lot of you are forgetting how tough it was to get any JFK Assassination information back before Lifton's "Best Evidence". Accurate or not, clean or on-the-sly, Groden was providing JFK Assassination information and images. Groden was moving the ball forward, (and sometimes backward), when getting any JFK Assassination information was an extremely difficult thing to do. Before the Internet, before Email, etc. Groden should get credit for keeping the JFK Assassination Inquiry alive. Without Groden, Oliver Stone's "JFK" may have been DOA.
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I think a lot of you are forgetting how tough it was to get any JFK Assassination information back before Lifton's "Best Evidence". Accurate or not, clean or on-the-sly, Groden was providing JFK Assassination information and images. Groden was moving the ball forward, (and sometimes backward), when getting any JFK Assassination information was an extremely difficult thing to do. Before the Internet, before Email, etc. Groden should get credit for keeping the JFK Assassination Inquiry alive. Without Groden, Oliver Stone's "JFK" may have been DOA.
Not surprised your judgment on this subject is as poor as your photo analysis. This guy steals evidence from US government committees, profits by the thousands in including said evidence in his books and makes a complete fool out of himself in front of the ARRB and the OJ Simpson trial? This is the guy you give a free pass? Crazy.
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Not surprised your judgment on this subject is as poor as your photo analysis. This guy steals evidence from US government committees, profits by the thousands in including said evidence in his books and makes a complete fool out of himself in front of the ARRB and the OJ Simpson trial? This is the guy you give a free pass? Crazy.
They don't care. In conspiracy world the ends justifies any means. Groden stole material, lied, profited on it but because he was on the "right side" they excuse him. By "they" I don't mean all of them; but it's the general view.
Oliver Stone said something along these lines. He was asked about Garrison smearing and defaming people (not just Shaw). Stone said, "Sometimes in a war you have to sacrifice innocent people." That's exactly the view of these misguided people. If you have to lie, make things up, if Ruth Paine is falsely accused, or others, it's okay because the purpose was noble. It's crazy to us; but completely logical to them. Again, not all; but the dominant view in the conspiracy forums.
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Not surprised your judgment on this subject is as poor as your photo analysis. This guy steals evidence from US government committees, profits by the thousands in including said evidence in his books and makes a complete fool out of himself in front of the ARRB and the OJ Simpson trial? This is the guy you give a free pass? Crazy.
I don't give Groden a "free pass". You're "Storing Derangement Syndrome" (SDS) is in full bloom. Around here he is known as "5 Fingers" Groden, "Mr Kinko's", and other less than flattering nick names. That said, I still look at whatever he proffers knowing what I am dealing with. It's like using the drive-thru at "Jack in the Box". You know you need to check what's inside the bag Before pulling away from the window.