JFK Assassination Forum
JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Benjamin Cole on March 23, 2026, 02:47:22 PM
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There is little doubt that President JFK, and brother RFK, were dreadnought in their intent to liberate Cuba from communism and Castro. Indeed, so much so that the Kennedy brothers abided by a few assassination attempts of Fidel.
To which Castro publicly responded in September of 1963 that assassinations could go both ways. Two months after Castro's not-so-veiled threat, JFK was dead. Castro's G2 had deeply penetrated Cuban exile groups, and thus parts of US intel services.
See JFK's speech to the Orange Bowl Miami Dec. 29 1962, if you have any doubts about JFK felt about Cuba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxVl0x49zwA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxVl0x49zwA)
JFK in his own words in Miami, and draw your own conclusions. JFK remains the best public speaker of the postwar era, and this presentation, to a packed Orange Bowl, is another gem.
In one of the more curious twists in history, the garish President Donald Trump, a far different character from JFK, may finally execute on JFK's dream of a Free Cuba. Secy of State Marco Rubio, a Cubano who speaks flawless Spanish, is apparently in the lead.
May it be so. The communist government in Havana is the usual thug-state excrement: https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2026/country-chapters/cuba (https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2026/country-chapters/cuba)
Trump has but few redeeming features, but he seems willing to take on ghouls in Havana, Caracas and Tehran.
I think JFK, in this regard, would have done the same, although likely much more smoothly.
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There is little doubt that President JFK, and brother RFK, were dreadnought in their intent to liberate Cuba from communism and Castro. Indeed, so much so that the Kennedy brothers abided by a few assassination attempts of Fidel.
To which Castro publicly responded in September of 1963 that assassinations could go both ways. Two months after Castro's not-so-veiled threat, JFK was dead. Castro's G2 had deeply penetrated Cuban exile groups, and thus parts of US intel services.
See JFK's speech to the Orange Bowl Miami Dec. 29 1962, if you have any doubts about JFK felt about Cuba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxVl0x49zwA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxVl0x49zwA)
JFK in his own words in Miami, and draw your own conclusions. JFK remains the best public speaker of the postwar era, and this presentation, to a packed Orange Bowl, is another gem.
In one of the more curious twists in history, the garish President Donald Trump, a far different character from JFK, may finally execute on JFK's dream of a Free Cuba. Secy of State Marco Rubio, a Cubano who speaks flawless Spanish, is apparently in the lead.
May it be so. The communist government in Havana is the usual thug-state excrement: https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2026/country-chapters/cuba (https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2026/country-chapters/cuba)
Trump has but few redeeming features, but he seems willing to take on ghouls in Havana, Caracas and Tehran.
I think JFK, in this regard, would have done the same, although likely much more smoothly.
If he is, the method cruel and inhumane.
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If he is, the method cruel and inhuman.
This brings up an interesting dilemma for the US. One of the concessions we made to the Soviet Union as part of the agreement to end the Cuban Missile Crisis was that we would not invade Cuba then or in the future. Since the Soviet Union no longer exists, is that agreement still binding, and would our attempt to topple the regime through economic pressure violate the provisions of that agreement. I guess we'd have to look at the fine print.
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This brings up an interesting dilemma for the US. One of the concessions we made to the Soviet Union as part of the agreement to end the Cuban Missile Crisis was that we would not invade Cuba then or in the future. Since the Soviet Union no longer exists, is that agreement still binding, and would our attempt to topple the regime through economic pressure violate the provisions of that agreement. I guess we'd have to look at the fine print.
Mexico is sending aid. Russia is sending oil. China is sending rice.
we suck.
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Mexico is sending aid. Russia is sending oil. China is sending rice.
we suck.
Every dollar Russian spends to prop up the Cuban regime is one more dollar they can't spend on the war in Ukraine, so there is some benefit there. Eventually Russia will come to the same conclusion that the Soviet Union did in Afghanistan. They can't afford to keep pouring money into a bottomless pit and will eventual decide to cease hostilities. I truly believe they are continuing the Ukraine war for Putin to save face. If he were to pass on, I think his successors would find a graceful exit strategy very quickly.
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Every dollar Russian spends to prop up the Cuban regime is one more dollar they can't spend on the war in Ukraine, so there is some benefit there. Eventually Russia will come to the same conclusion that the Soviet Union did in Afghanistan. They can't afford to keep pouring money into a bottomless pit and will eventual decide to cease hostilities. I truly believe they are continuing the Ukraine war for Putin to save face. If he were to pass on, I think his successors would find a graceful exit strategy very quickly.
...as people senselessly die in Cuba.
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This brings up an interesting dilemma for the US. One of the concessions we made to the Soviet Union as part of the agreement to end the Cuban Missile Crisis was that we would not invade Cuba then or in the future. Since the Soviet Union no longer exists, is that agreement still binding, and would our attempt to topple the regime through economic pressure violate the provisions of that agreement. I guess we'd have to look at the fine print.
Some people (James Angleton and true defector Anatoly Golitsyn included) believed that the Cuban Missile Crisis was planned-in-advance by the Kremlin to be "resolved in America's favor" so that JFK would abandon the Monroe Doctrine.
If true, it would mean that GRU Col. Oleg Penkovsky, "The Spy Who Saved the World" by telling JFK about the specifications of the nuclear-tipped missiles in Cuba (specifically that it took a long time to get them ready to fire) was actually working for the KGB at that point.
We do know from the "Zepp Incident" (look it up) that Penkovsky was betrayed by a mole in the CIA or in British Intelligence within two weeks of his April 1961 recruitment by MI6 and the CIA, and that, in the interest of "source protection," he was ostensibly allowed to continue spying for them until October 1962 when, due to "superior KGB surveillance," he was arrested in Moscow.
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...as people senselessly die in Cuba.
As opposed to dying senselessly in Ukraine. We can't cure all the world's troubles. We have to pick and choose our battles.
Invading Cuba would be a huge mistake. It is on the verge of economic collapse. We've put up with the regime since 1960. What's a few more months or a few more years.
If the Cuban people can't wait for that, then let them overthrow their regime. There are signs that might be happening already. We just need to be patient.
Castro came to power in a popular uprising. There's no reason that can't happen again.
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MC:
Given that Cuba has indisputably devolved into a thug state, with endless misery for its residents...is some short-term pain worth permanent gain?
Why do leftists in Western liberal democracies examine the US for every possible shortcoming, imagined or otherwise, and then turn into abject simps when it comes to Havana, Tehran or Moscow?
I think JFK would have assassinated/overthrown the Cuba commie party out of existence in his second term. JFK vowed as much.
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It's a deliberate humanitarian crisis caused by the US
...pushing us to the edge.
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MC--
But is that a bad strategy?
Marco Rubio, a Cubano, and one could assume sympathetic to Cubans, appears to be running the show.
What is a better plan for ending the Castro regime (60 years after JFK wanted to, but better late than never).
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No. Cuba will remain a dictatorship. Maybe under a different dictator, but certainly a dictator. Trump would prefer a dictator. If by some miracle, Cuba became an early, fragile democracy, Trump will do something about it.
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MC:
I think JFK would have assassinated/overthrown the Cuba commie party out of existence in his second term. JFK vowed as much.
I don't think so. That would have violated the agreement we made to end the Cuban Missile Crisis. We came damn close to Armageddon in 1962. JFK wasn't going to go down that road again.
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JC:
Watch the Miami speech by JFK that I uploaded--JFK publicly vowed, in that speech made in December of 1962, after the CMC, that the Cuban exiles' flag would fly over a "Free Havana."
The Kennedy brothers were working several levers through 1963, from Castro assassination plots, to fomenting internal divisions in Cuba. They were hard core on Cuba. They were again developing more-substantive plans, while curtailing rogue amateur-ops by Cuban exiles All that stopped suddenly with JFK's assassination.
LBJ curiously lost interest, seemingly entirely, in Cuba. And there it has stood since.
Interesting topic.
Well, let us hope Trump-Rubio can win the day this time around.
A Free Cuba, and a Free Iran, would be tremendous accomplishments.
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JC:
Watch the Miami speech by JFK that I uploaded--JFK publicly vowed, in that speech made in December of 1962, after the CMC, that the Cuban exiles' flag would fly over a "Free Havana."
The Kennedy brothers were working several levers through 1963, from Castro assassination plots, to fomenting internal divisions in Cuba. They were hard core on Cuba. They were again developing more-substantive plans, while curtailing rogue amateur-ops by Cuban exiles All that stopped suddenly with JFK's assassination.
LBJ curiously lost interest, seemingly entirely, in Cuba. And there it has stood since.
Interesting topic.
Well, let us hope Trump-Rubio can win the day this time around.
A Free Cuba, and a Free Iran, would be tremendous accomplishments.
At the time, it seems more like wishful thinking than a true belief. I don't think JFK was going to poke the Bear over Cuba. The resolution to the CMC was a result of both sides blinking although the impression was created that it was Khruschev alone who blinked. Much later we found out the details that we had vowed not to invade Cuba and we would dismantle our Jupiter missiles in Turkey in exchange for the Soviet removing theirs from Cuba.
Current events may prove JFK correct, even though much later than anybody would have guessed at the time.