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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Tom Graves on December 11, 2025, 04:49:55 AM
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According to a 4/4/67 FBI memo from W. A. Branigan to W. C. Sullivan (RIF: 104-10310-10147), a Pravda "journalist" in the U.S., Boris Orekhov, had just told his FBI case officer(s) at the FBI's NYC field office (the one where Kremlin-loyal FEDORA was an "informant") that the KGB had concluded from "an extensive study of the assassination" that JFK was killed because he had tried to limit the activities of evil, evil monopolists in the evil, evil Military-Industrial Complex!!!
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10310-10147.pdf
PS Boris Mikhailovich Orekhov (FBI's SHAMROCK) was Persona-Non-Grated from the U.S. in 1970.
https://www.nytimes.com/1970/06/27/archives/us-confirms-its-decision-to-expel-a-pravda-reporter.html
PPS Orekhov is the KGB agent Bill "Clueless" Simpich confused with Angleton's 19 June 1975 Church Committee testimony "Byetkov(?)" -- Ivan Obyedkov, the Kremlin-loyal triple-agent security officer at the Sov Emb MC who "volunteered" the Department 13-radioavtive name "Kostikov" to a forgetful Oswald or Oswald impersonator over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phoneline on 10/1/63 -- in Chapter 5 of his anti-CIA opus magus, "State Secret."
"In a (sic; his) February [5] 1976 [Church Committee testimony], Angleton tells the story one more time for the next seven pages - now the name of the double agent earlier referred to [as] 'Byetkov' is reviewed by Peter Deryabin. In this memo, there is a deletion. Is this the allegation of Oswald['s] being arrested in Mexico City while carrying a picture of Leonov? It seems that Angleton got his information from Byetkov in 1967, but not certain."
My comment: This confusion was created by the Church Committee's lawyer when he mistakenly posited the above, when in fact it was KGB Colonel Nikolai "The Blond Oswald In Mexico City" Leonov's calling card that was found in Fidel Castro's wallet or notebook when he (Castro) was arrested in Mexico City in 1956, not Leonov's photo found in Oswald's pocket for crying out loud.
And then Bill "Clueless" Simpich runs with it!!!
LOL!
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1447#relPageId=16&search=Angleton
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CT'ers, past-day and present, need to be upfront and acknowledge that there has long been Tehran and Moscow influencers playing in JFKA-land. It may be worse today than ever, due to the internet and social media.
To be sure, official Washington promoted the LN view.
People should keep in mind that the WC committed to the LN view, not only excluding domestic influence on LHO, but foreign.
No one wanted to know if LHO answered to the KGB or G2, and worse, possibly through KGB asset Bruce Solie. Or G2 assets embedded in the Cuban exile community.
The CT community has spent decades examining the CIA, and not really coming up with much. Some plausible deductions, but really still bordering on speculation.
Yes, Bill Harvey ran assassination programs, hated JFK and was an alcoholic. He may have been on a commercial flight to Texas in late 1963. And?
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CT'ers, past-day and present, need to be upfront and acknowledge that there has long been Tehran and Moscow influencers playing in JFKA-land. It may be worse today than ever, due to the internet and social media.
To be sure, official Washington promoted the LN view.
People should keep in mind that the WC committed to the LN view, not only excluding domestic influence on LHO, but foreign.
No one wanted to know if LHO answered to the KGB or G2, and worse, possibly through KGB asset Bruce Solie. Or G2 assets embedded in the Cuban exile community.
The CT community has spent decades examining the CIA, and not really coming up with much. Some plausible deductions, but really still bordering on speculation.
Yes, Bill Harvey ran assassination programs, hated JFK and was an alcoholic. He may have been on a commercial flight to Texas in late 1963. And?
Was Iran playing in "JFKA-land" from 11/22/63 to, say, 3/1/69?
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TG-
Possibly, if one takes into consideration the RFK assassination.
Members of SAVAK may have played a role, along with Middle East extremists, in the RFKA.
Tehran did not like RFK's stance on Iran.
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TG-
Possibly, if one takes into consideration the RFK assassination.
Members of SAVAK may have played a role, along with Middle East extremists, in the RFKA.
Tehran did not like RFK's stance on Iran.
Funny how you always seem to include Iran.
I said 3/1/69 because that's when a jury deliberated for fifty minutes and found Clay Shaw not guilty in the murder of RFK I mean JFK.
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In the present tense, the theocratic Islamo-fascist state of Iran has an active propaganda and social media campaign, that takes in the JFKA and RFKA (and 9/11, and the USS Liberty and space lasers and who knows what).
Researcher Larry Hancock has pointed out some links between SAVAK and Sirhan, and Sirhan's brother.
The idea that Sirhan was brainwashed to perp the RFKA is very speculative, borderline crackpot.
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CT'ers, past-day and present, need to be upfront and acknowledge that there has long been Tehran and Moscow influencers playing in JFKA-land. It may be worse today than ever, due to the internet and social media.
To be sure, official Washington promoted the LN view.
People should keep in mind that the WC committed to the LN view, not only excluding domestic influence on LHO, but foreign.
No one wanted to know if LHO answered to the KGB or G2, and worse, possibly through KGB asset Bruce Solie. Or G2 assets embedded in the Cuban exile community.
The CT community has spent decades examining the CIA, and not really coming up with much. Some plausible deductions, but really still bordering on speculation.
Yes, Bill Harvey ran assassination programs, hated JFK and was an alcoholic. He may have been on a commercial flight to Texas in late 1963. And?
You keep claiming that the WC quashed investigations into Oswald's foreign connections. Who did this and what is your evidence for it? Who told the FBI and CIA to stop investigating these questions? You think Angleton and the CIA stopped looking into Oswald and any foreign connection to the assassination because someone in the WC ordered them to? Warren? Rankin? Who exactly? In any case, he didn't stop.
From what I've read the WC staff heavily relied on the FBI and CIA and others to conduct most of the investigation. The staff wasn't able to investigate so many different areas, conduct the literally thousands of interviews that were done. Run the tests, examine the film, et cetera. The WC sent, if I have it right, two staffers to Mexico City to investigate what happened there: David Slawson (still alive) and Bill Coleman. Both had to rely on reports from the CIA and FBI of course.
In any case, who in the WC ordered the FBI and CIA to not investigate any foreign connections? And who ordered the HSCA and Church Committee and media not to investigate these matters? You do know we've had more investigations beside the WC?
As to Russo: He says that he believes Oswald alone killed JFK but that Oswald *may* have been influenced by pro-Castro people, people he met in Mexico City and perhaps elsewhere. But that's it. There are all kinds of allegations about Oswald meeting "X" or "Y", as Russo discusses in his books, but people make all sorts of claims about Oswald. Russo's complaint is that the CIA didn't follow up on some allegations. But that wasn't done - or not done - on orders from the WC.
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You ask fair questions. It would take a book to answer your questions, but I will throw up some observations.
1. KGB and G2 records have not been examined, except as allowed by Russian and Cubans authorities. Both agencies regard the JFKA as a propaganda event, and both answer to autocratic governments. Truth be told, we see a black box when we look at the KGB and G2. We don't know what we don't know.
2. The Katzenbach memo.
3. LBJ's concerns, legitimate or otherwise, about WWIII being triggered should LHO be linked to KGB or G2.
4. Specter fashioned the SBT not to answer to wound patterns on JFK and Gov. JBC, but as the only even plausible explanation, if a single shooter was a premise. Specter worked backward, assuming a single shooter. He said so.
5. You correctly note the WC had to rely on FBI and CIA investigators. But my understanding is Hoover decided LHO had acted alone, and the CIA may have been trying to cover up how riddled it was with KGB'ers (Victor Marchetti's suspicion). Bruce Solie did not want an investigation into the CIA.
6. The WC may not have decided to totally hand over investigations to the FBI and CIA, but it happened by default. Of course, at the time, it made sense. After all, the FBI was investigative agency, and the WC mostly lawyers. But the FBI-investigative agency had roughly settled on LHO as LN.
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I agree the HSCA pursued an roughly independent investigation (albeit leads were growing cold), though it should be noted Robert Blakey, a Mob-hunter and author of the RICO act, was big on the US Mafia having perped the JFKA, and even co-authored a book to that effect. I can't say I've read every document produced by the HSCA, but they did not seem to hunting LHO's foreign connections---although the HSCA did conclude there had been a JFKA conspiracy.
Worth noting: The HSCA did not produce anything to suggest CIA'ers were involved in the JFKA. If I recollect correctly, they even absolved US agencies of involvement.
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I think Gus Russo's work is interesting. I stand by my sentiments that the CIA has been looked by the JFKA research community in minute detail, but the community still offers only speculation as to CIA'er involvement in the JFKA. Bill Harvey, etc. And? What? Then they fashion the MIC-globalist capitalists wanted perma-war, blah blah, blah argument.
Alpha 66 is an interesting angle--I think overlooked as the JFKA research community wants a huge conspiracy, not a small one.
Russo's work more interesting, in part as far less is known about the KGB and G2. LHO appears to have been having smarmy connections to G2'ers, including in Mexico City (the ambassador there thought there was more to the LHO-G2 story than got out).
Well, that is what I think.
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KGB and G2 records have not been examined, except as allowed by Russian and Cubans authorities. Both agencies regard the JFKA as a propaganda event, and both answer to autocratic governments. Truth be told, we see a black box when we look at the KGB and G2. We don't know what we don't know.
But . . . but . . . but . . . . why would "former" KGB officers Oleg "'Bagley's 'Spy Wars' Is Absurd Trash" Kalugin, Oleg Gordievsky, and Oleg Nechiporenko, et al., lie to us?
THE COLD WAR IS OVER AND WE WON!!!
Isn't that right, Steve M.?
(LOL)
https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames
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In general, I agree with your sentiments, that the KGB, and successor agencies, and Moscow, are not now and never have been nice guys.
Castro and G2 were both considered very dangerous in the 1960s as well, with murder ever on the agenda.
Putin's/Moscow's true colors have been revealed in Ukraine, where perhaps there are a million dead, and whole sections of the nation ravaged beyond repair, and yet Putin still will not stop. Another million dead is on the menu. The numbers have become so large they have lost meaning.
The same college kids wearing keffiyehs and screaming about Palestine appear apathetic and dunce-ified when it comes to Ukraine. There may be 20 to 30 times the carnage in Ukraine than in Gaza. Maybe more.
But who is financing social-influencer campaigns, and US academia? Putin and Tehran.
Oliver Stone is Putin puppet, and does not want to change.
James DiEugenio is using his substack to write about the USS Liberty.
It is getting ugly out there.
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TG-
In general, I agree with your sentiments, that the KGB, and successor agencies, and Moscow, are not now and never have been nice guys.
Castro and G2 were both considered very dangerous in the 1960s as well, with murder ever on the agenda.
Putin's/Moscow's true colors have been revealed in Ukraine, where perhaps there are a million dead, and whole sections of the nation ravaged beyond repair, and yet Putin still will not stop. Another million dead is on the menu. The numbers have become so large they have lost meaning.
The same college kids wearing keffiyehs and screaming about Palestine appear apathetic and dunce-ified when it comes to Ukraine. There may be 20 to 30 times the carnage in Ukraine than in Gaza. Maybe more.
But who is financing social-influencer campaigns, and US academia? Putin and Tehran.
Oliver Stone is Putin puppet, and does not want to change.
James DiEugenio is using his substack to write about the USS Liberty.
It is getting ugly out there.
It's been ugly ever since 1959 when the KGB, influenced by the teachings of Sun Tzu, set up deception-based Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today's SVR) and deception-based Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate (today's FSB), and General Gribanov in the latter, as soon as he had trapped Penkovsky "like a bear in its den," sent Polyakov to the FBI's NYC field office in November 1961 and Kulak there a month or two later to form "monster plot" CIA-controlling feedback loops with probable moles Bruce Solie and Leonard V. McCoy in the CIA.
Regardless, you may find this article from 2016 interesting.
Or maybe not.
HE WRITES ABOUT CUBANS!
https://kyleorton.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/benjamin-fischer-2016-doubles-troubles-the-cia-and-double-agents-during-the-cold-war.pdf
Page 52:
"Eleven blue borders were earmarked for three Presidents. As one newspaper reported, 'Some key officials in the CIA’s Directorate of Operations know their stuff is tainted, know it comes from agents who have been compromised, and yet put it in channels leading right to the White House.’'23 The SE/CE [formerly known as the Soviet Russia Division] Division’s senior reports officer [Robert Lubbehusen with whom probable mole Leonard V. McCoy and worked; look him up] reportedly claimed that the sources of the blue-border documents were suspect but that the information was still good."
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"The case of Polyakov, a GRU officer, is ambiguous. A former KGB general [Sergey Kondrashev, with whom Tennent H. Bagley wrote the 2013 book, "Spymaster"] claims that he was involved in an operation to dangle Polyakov to the FBI in New York in the 1960s [November 1961]. The Bureau handed Polyakov over to the CIA after Polyakov was reposted to Rangoon], which continued meeting him intermittingly for almost 20 years during his foreign assignments. At some point, according to the ex-KGB officer, Polyakov switched sides and began cooperating with the CIA. The Soviet press reported that he was executed.56"
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I enjoyed the article by Benjamin Fischer. Double agents!
Given how infused the Cuban exile community was with G2'ers and assets, I keep an open mind as to who LHO's confederates were on 11/22 (if any).