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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Tom Graves on December 08, 2025, 08:45:18 PM
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IMHO, the sickest tinfoil-hat JFKA CTs are the photo and film alterationists.
Does anyone here agree with Royell Storing that the Altgens-6 photo and the Zapruder film don't jibe?
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And while we're at it, how about Willis 5 and a portion of the MISSING Original Nix Film?
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And while we're at it, how about Willis 5 and a portion of the MISSING Original Nix Film?
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
(LOL)
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IMHO, the sickest tinfoil-hat JFKA CTs are the photo and film alterationists.
Does anyone here agree with Royell Storing that the Altgens-6 photo and the Zapruder film don't jibe?
Tom, I totally agree with you. They are a scourge on serious research in this case and have overtaken the JFK Education Forum, which is a true embarrassment compared to what it once was.
And no, no serious researcher believes that there's any discrepancy between Altgens-6 and the Zapruder film, because there isn't.
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Tom, I totally agree with you. They are a scourge on serious research in this case and have overtaken the JFK Education Forum, which is a true embarrassment compared to what it once was.
And no, no serious researcher believes that there's any discrepancy between Altgens-6 and the Zapruder film, because there isn't.
IIRC, Comrade Storing also doesn't believe Zapruder paused filming after Z-132, when in fact he stopped filming for seventeen seconds at that point.
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IIRC, Comrade Storing also doesn't believe Zapruder paused filming after Z-132, when in fact he stopped filming for seventeen seconds at that point.
Dan Rather verified on multiple world wide broadcasts that the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St was on the Original Zapruder Film. The Current Zapruder Film does not include this. And there are other discrepancies between the Original Zapruder Film and the Current Zapruder Film.
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Dan Rather verified on multiple world-wide broadcasts that the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St was on the Original Zapruder Film. The Current Zapruder Film does not include this. And there are other discrepancies between the Original Zapruder Film and the Current Zapruder Film.
Poor Dan Rather.
As he later said, he'd done the best he could under the circumstances.
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Dan Rather verified on multiple world wide broadcasts that the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St was on the Original Zapruder Film. The Current Zapruder Film does not include this. And there are other discrepancies between the Original Zapruder Film and the Current Zapruder Film.
Uninformed CT's seem to think that Zapruder's camera was the only camera in Dealey Plaza but JFK's Limo was continuously captured on many cameras from Main street to Houston then through to Elm Street and there is nothing of any significance seen in any film during JFK's Limo turn into Elm street.
As for Zapruder alteration, a deluded CT needs to explain how were all the films seen above and the plethora of photos were ALL altered to produce a 100% mathematically cohesive whole, while not forgetting that at the time cutting and pasting individual elements in celluloid film/photos was done very primitively with a sharp knife.
Executive Action 1973
(https://i.imgur.com/no6B8Q2.jpeg)
The next week in Life Magazine, Life printed(besides the graphic headshot) all the important key frames, meaning that including the laying out, printing and distribution, altering the Zapruder film was done to a photoreal standard in a few days, a standard of alteration which was unseen in any film at the time and it can be argued, still isn't seen today(in film shot on celluloid) at the microscopic granular level as seen in the original Zapruder Film.
(https://i.imgur.com/xEuCP1a.gif)
JohnM
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Who's the tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist who added the shots "audio"?
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Who's the tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist who added the shots "audio"?
Who cares?
The fabricated soundtrack has no relevance.
But if you really want to know, maybe you can use your "research skills" and contact the Youtuber who posted the video, who has a number of contact options, least of which is posting a comment on his video!
JohnM
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With respect to possible alteration of the Zapruder Film, the removal of footage showing the (R) side of the JFK Limo turning onto/heading down Elm St would qualify as an alteration to that film.
Willis 5 shows only 2 men standing at the bottom of The Steps, and the Nix Film shows a man wearing a White Shirt running Up The Steps. None of the assassination films shows Only 2 Men at the bottom of The Steps during this same time span or a White Shirt man running Up The Steps. Both of these discrepancies have never been explained.
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With respect to possible alteration of the Zapruder film, the removal of footage showing the right side of the JFK limo turning onto/heading down Elm Street would qualify as an alteration to that film.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawK4zONleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFFODdsRHVIa2RSUGZJNllFAR6Zx-0JB5zBmwy-qakJKtfLfY5vcW9V2IqOrNXjP-oezkHhb-av38NlRUa-uA_aem_2d95NRPz2dpt6k_03l7iYg
The three “Lead Motorcycles” we see turning onto Elm Street from Houston Street and passing by Zapruder in Z-132 are being ridden by Stavis Ellis, Leon E. Gray, and W. G. Lumpkin.
As Zapruder was filming Ellis, Gray and W. G. Lumpkin navigate the turn from Houston to Elm and ride their motorcycles past him, the Presidential limousine was a block away from the intersection of Houston and Elm, turning onto Houston from Main.
FWIW, the aforementioned three "Lead Motorcycles" were preceded about ten seconds earlier by five “Advance Motorcyles” ridden by Bellah, McBride, Garrick, Freeman, and Brewer. These five “Advance Motorcycles” weren’t “captured” by Zapruder because he hadn’t yet turned his camera on.
What's more important for purposes of our "conversation" is the fact that about 80 yards behind Ellis, Gray and W. G. Lumpkin on Houston Street was the DPD “Lead Car” driven by Chief Curry, and about 50 yards behind it was the Presidential limousine.
Although Ellis, Gray and W. G. Lumpkin were “captured” by Zapruder, he didn’t “capture" the aforementioned “Lead Car” because he had turned his camera off at Z-132 to save film.
Factoid: It took the Presidential limousine about seventeen seconds to get from the intersection of Main Street and Houston Street to where we see it in Z-133, some seventy feet down Elm Street and heading towards Zapruder.
D'oh!
-- Tom
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Down some serious "Joe" and clear your head. Again, the Dan Rather description of the opening of the Zapruder Film has been Cut Out.
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Down some serious "Joe" and clear your head. Again, the Dan Rather description of the opening of the Zapruder Film has been Cut Out.
So what? Rather was wrong. Why is that so hard to believe? In conspiracy theorist world, no mistake is ever innocent or explainable without it being part of some gigantic plot. It's sad.
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So what? Rather was wrong. Why is that so hard to believe? In conspiracy theorist world, no mistake is ever innocent or explainable without it being part of some gigantic plot. It's sad.
His whole tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theory is contingent on Zapruder film alteration.
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So what? Rather was wrong. Why is that so hard to believe? In conspiracy theorist world, no mistake is ever innocent or explainable without it being part of some gigantic plot. It's sad.
Every event in the history of our planet is nefarious to Storing. It’s an illness.
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Every event in the history of our planet is nefarious to Storing. It’s an illness.
He's the only person in the US who's permitted to make an honest mistake.
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So what? Rather was wrong. Why is that so hard to believe? In conspiracy theorist world, no mistake is ever innocent or explainable without it being part of some gigantic plot. It's sad.
A single "mistake"? Rather did several world wide broadcasts and consistently described the JFK Limo making the turn onto Elm St on ALL of those broadcasts. And there are other discrepancies between the Z Film that Rather watched/described and the Current Z Film. The most alarming part here is that Rather was "awarded" the Walter Cronkite Prime Time News Anchor position at CBS. Everybody doing repeated "Live' world wide broadcasts such as this use notes. Those Rather "notes" would be interesting to browse. And make no mistake. People in the news business Document everything they do.
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A single "mistake"? Rather did several world-wide broadcasts and consistently described the JFK Limo making the turn onto Elm St on ALL of those broadcasts. And there are other discrepancies between the Z Film that Rather watched/described and the Current Z Film. The most alarming part here is that Rather was "awarded" the Walter Cronkite Prime Time News Anchor position at CBS. Everybody doing repeated "Live' worldwide broadcasts such as this use notes. Those Rather "notes" would be interesting to browse. And make no mistake. People in the news business Document everything they do.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Rather watched the clip one time.
Then, without notes, he ran several blocks to the studio.
He didn't know that Zapruder had paused filming for seventeen seconds between Z-132 and Z-133.
He shouldn't have said Zapruder filmed continuously.
He had to say something, and he did the best he could.
Get over it.
https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawK4zONleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFFODdsRHVIa2RSUGZJNllFAR6Zx-0JB5zBmwy-qakJKtfLfY5vcW9V2IqOrNXjP-oezkHhb-av38NlRUa-uA_aem_2d95NRPz2dpt6k_03l7iYg
-- Tom
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Rather watched the clip one time.
Then, without notes, he ran several blocks to the studio.
He didn't know that Zapruder had paused filming for seventeen seconds between Z-132 and Z-133.
He shouldn't have said Zapruder filmed continuously.
He had to say something, and he did the best he could.
Get over it.
https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawK4zONleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFFODdsRHVIa2RSUGZJNllFAR6Zx-0JB5zBmwy-qakJKtfLfY5vcW9V2IqOrNXjP-oezkHhb-av38NlRUa-uA_aem_2d95NRPz2dpt6k_03l7iYg
-- Tom
There is No Way that Rather would have done his career "make-or-break" world wide TV presentations without jotting down notes. Even if Rather had to scrawl Bullet Points while standing at the urinal or sitting on the throne. No wannabe would go "impromptu" with their future on-the-line.
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There is no way that Rather would have done his career "make-or-break" worldwide TV presentations without jotting down notes. Even if Rather had to scrawl bullet points while standing at the urinal or sitting on the throne. No wannabe would go "impromptu" with their future on-the-line.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
He said they weren't allowed to take notes.
After viewing the clip only one time, he had to run several blocks to the studio, probably thinking to himself, "Oh boy, I'm going to be famous!"
He was out of breath when he went on air.
He probably didn't have time to take a you-know-what and write down some precious "bullet points" for you, but if he did, he screwed that up, too.
He had to say something.
He said the clip showed the limo turning onto Elm Street.
Big mistake.
He didn't realize that a tinfoil-hat JFKA theorist like would come along sixty-six years later and base his tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory on the false assumption that Zapruder had filmed the whole assassination.
Get over it.
-- Tom
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A single "mistake"? Rather did several world wide broadcasts and consistently described the JFK Limo making the turn onto Elm St on ALL of those broadcasts. And there are other discrepancies between the Z Film that Rather watched/described and the Current Z Film. The most alarming part here is that Rather was "awarded" the Walter Cronkite Prime Time News Anchor position at CBS. Everybody doing repeated "Live' world wide broadcasts such as this use notes. Those Rather "notes" would be interesting to browse. And make no mistake. People in the news business Document everything they do.
You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
He said they weren't allowed to take notes.
After viewing the clip only one time, he had to run several blocks to the studio, probably thinking to himself, "Oh boy, I'm going to be famous!"
He was out of breath when he went on air.
He probably didn't have time to take a you-know-what and write down some precious "bullet points" for you, but if he did, he screwed that up, too.
He had to say something.
He said the clip showed the limo turning onto Elm Street.
Big mistake.
He didn't realize that a tinfoil-hat JFKA theorist like would come along sixty-six years later and base his tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory on the false assumption that Zapruder had filmed the whole assassination.
Get over it.
-- Tom
Jointing down Bullet Points when Rather was in between his viewing of the Z Film and then being introduced by Walter Cronkite for his world wide broadcasts is NOT "Note Taking". Think it through.
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You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.
You have absolutely no idea regarding the training/experience I have with respect to TV/Radio. This was the common ground that Gary Mack and I shared.
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IMHO, the sickest tinfoil-hat JFKA CTs are the photo and film alterationists.
Says the man who still believes in the single-bullet theory (SBT) and who says the Soviet Union won the Cold War. You have to be wearing a serious tinfoil hat to believe those things.
We know the AP x-ray was altered. The 6.5 mm object was added to the x-ray after the autopsy. Multiple OD measurements confirm the object is not metal or bone. Dr. Mantik was even able to duplicate how the object was added to the x-ray.
We also know that the autopsy brain photos are fraudulent and do not show JFK's brain. Even the autopsy skull x-rays show about 2/3 of the right brain to be missing, yet the brain photos show less than 2 ounces of brain tissue missing.
Dozens of Hollywood film experts have concluded the Zapruder film has been altered.
And then there are the backyard rifle photos, which contain variant shadows that are physically impossible on this planet and that have never been duplicated, not to mention that they contain impossibly tiny differences in the distances between background objects, even though they were supposedly taken with a cheap handheld camera that was allegedly handed back and forth between exposures.
And on and on we could go.
Dr. Mantik Zapruder Film Presentation
https://rumble.com/v71f3va-alteration-doc-excerpts-from-dr.-mantiks-zapruder-film-presentation-112024.html
Problems with the JFK Autopsy X-Rays and Photos
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dhhA323IReT3f_-xXOGvtR2QCnBpJtak/view?usp=sharing
Evidence of Alteration in the Zapruder Film
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YOK_7uLe49zgXADGQxkIH1dmaEcpyaWd/view?usp=sharing
The HSCA and Fraud in the Backyard Rifle Photos
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JiOqKWO-XJSO-z_lk6bSgUBXq_vD1yZs/view?usp=sharing
The Suspicious 6.5 mm "Fragment"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QXCUhA5i4FmCic2nLDOnwMdCNSOa1Q10/view?usp=sharing
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Says the man who still believes in the single-bullet theory (SBT) and who says the Soviet Union won the Cold War.
With help from 50-plus years (it started in 1959) of KGB* disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations waged against us and our NATO allies, and help from you and your tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist ilk, the KGB and the Russian Mafia won the Cold War, Comrade Griffith -- just look at who's in the White House.
And, btw, the so-called Single Bullet Theory is correct.
*Today's SVR and FSB.
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You have absolutely no idea regarding the training/experience I have with respect to TV/Radio. This was the common ground that Gary Mack and I shared.
Based on your uniformly and often grossly incorrect analysis of the film and photo record, I don't think I want to have an "idea" about your training and experience!
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Based on your uniformly and often grossly incorrect analysis of the film and photo record, I don't think I want to have an "idea" about your training and experience!
Appreciate your confirming what I said. You have no idea. This is why they coined the phrase, "talking heads". News people read copy. Improv is not what they do.
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Appreciate your confirming what I said. You have no idea. This is why they coined the phrase, "talking heads". News people read copy. Improv is not what they do.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Your boy, out-of-breath Dan Rather, wasn't "reading copy," he was "winging it" and trying to remember what he thought he'd seen during his one noteless viewing of Zapruder's confusing clip.
D'oh!
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Your boy, out-of-breath Dan Rather, wasn't "reading copy," he was "winging it" and trying to remember what he thought he'd seen during his one noteless viewing of Zapruder's confusing clip.
D'oh!
Which one of the Brothers Grimm are you?
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Which one of the Brothers Grimm are you?
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
When it comes to your nation-rending, QANON-enabling tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theories, I'm the Grim Reaper.
-- Tom