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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Gerry Down on November 29, 2025, 09:04:02 PM
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On the day of the assassination the DRE contacted Joannides and told him they had interacted with LHO in New Orleans that summer and had a tape of a radio debate with him. The DRE asked Joannides what should they do, to which Joannides replied to wait a while and he would get back to them. Despite this order, the DRE went ahead and published some negative articles about LHO without consulting Joannides.
The question is, why was it only on the day of the assassination that the DRE first decide to tell their case officer about LHO?
One possible explanation can be found in the below document which was discussed on The Lone Gunman Podcast back in July of this year. Here is a link to The Lone Gunman Podcast for anyone you would like to hear their discussion of the document: LINK (starts at 54 minutes): .
Here are the relevant sections of the document:
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As you can see, Helms told the DRE in late 1962 that if they were to make any TV appearance that they were to notify him in advance.
This brings us on to the Oswald/Bringuier radio debate in New Orleans. At the start of the radio debate (the relevant section being at 37 minutes in the below DVP video), Bringuier was introduced as the DRE delegate. Therefore, Bringuier was representing the DRE in this debate. According to the above Helms document, the DRE were supposed to notify Helms in advance if the DRE were to appear on TV. This might have reasonably been inferred to include radio too. As the radio debate occurred quiet quick on the heels of the Aug 9th Bringuier/Oswald fight, it appears the Bringuier/DRE did not get a chance, or did not bother, to inform Helms in advance. And once the debate had occurred, the DRE may have decided not to tell Joannides about LHO at all as this would amount to admitting it had broken its promise to Helms to notify him in advance of making a media appearance.
This would explain why the DRE went to the level of sending out a press release and writing to Congress about LHO before the assassination but did not inform Joannides. The DRE wanted to maximize the propaganda from the Bringuier/LHO radio debate but could not inform Joannides as this would force them to admit they had broken their promise to Helms.
I don’t know what the official explanation was the DRE gave for their failure to inform Joannides before the JFK assassination (perhaps someone here knows), but if they never did give a reason, perhaps the premise I’ve outlined here might be a possible reason.
ALL THREE OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S RADIO & TELEVISION INTERVIEWS IN NEW ORLEANS IN AUGUST 1963
LINK (37 minutes):
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Interesting post.
I gather there was often tension or disagreements between US intel agencies and Cuban exiles.
Alpha 66 is a case in point, being so incorrigible that the CIA wasjed their hands of them, but US Army intel picked them up.
Not surprising that dedicated counter-revolutionaries, often engaged in kinetic terror against Castro, would seek approval for every detail from their benefactors.
Joannides doings in New Orleans remains an interesting topic.
Gus Russo has written that G-2 assets contacted or monitored LHO in New Orleans also.
Who knows?
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Who knows?
Beats the heck out of me.
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Gus Russo has written that G-2 assets contacted or monitored LHO in New Orleans also.
Who knows?
That sounds interesting. I had not known that. Is that covered in his book "Live by the Sword"?
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Yes, in his book, Russo says he talked with both a KGB'er and a G-2'er who said LHO had been either monitored or contacted in New Orleans by G-2'ers. Unfortunately, Russo kept the identities of the two individuals confidential, but he presented the two individuals as independently corroborating each other.
Russo, of course, notes that LHO met with KGB, G-2 assets in Minsk and Mexico City.
As you may know, researcher John Newman has posited KGB mole Bruce Solie sent LHO to Russia, and CIA'er Pete Bagley says LHO went "wittingly."
Victor Marchetti said the CIA was so riddled with KGB assets he did not now who was working for who, and that the JFKA cover-up may have been to hide that situation.
Evidently, Bruce Solie was active in CIA response to Garrison. That is interesting.
My interest in this is that for decades the JFKA research community has basically focussed on the CIA, and that is fine, they should be examined.
That has left much much less examined the KGB G-2 angle, or even the US Army intel angle.
The recent ascendance of the MAGA-Moscow-Putin angle, and the "Mossad did it" (financed by Tehran?) angles is a reminder that ideology drives the agenda and the agenda writes the JFKA narrative.
I observe the EF-JFKA is run by, and largely attracts, far-left ideologues, for example.
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https://www.americanheritage.com/did-castro-okay-kennedy-assassination
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Above is an easy read, and as I always say,
Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions
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Pete Bagley says LHO went to Moscow "wittingly."
1) Bagley died in 2014.
2) When Bagley said Oswald was a "witting" CIA agent after reading some 1959-60 CIA documents he hadn't been privy to at the time and which researcher Malcolm Blunt showed him around 2012, he mean that Oswald was knowingly on a mission for the CIA, but neither Oswald nor James Angleton in 1959 nor Bagley in 2012 realized that it was for a KGB-controlled part of the CIA -- the mole-hunting Office of Security, where probable KGB "mole" Bruce Solie -- Angleton's confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior -- was Deputy Chief of the Security Research Staff (DC/OS/SRS) and Chief of its Research Branch C/OS/SRS/RB).
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Yes, you are correct, AFAIK.
Newman says Solie, KGB-fink, sent LHO to Russia.
Marchetti, way back in the 1970s, said the CIA was so riddled with KGB assets...that it was unclear who was working for who.
Thus, if elements within the CIA did encourage LHO to perp, or participate in the JFKA, it is still not known whether those elements were KGB or not.
The whole Nosenko defection indicates Moscow badly wanted to alter the narrative on the JFKA.
Just like the modern-day MAGA-Moscow-Putin-Oliver Stone narrative.
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Yes, you are correct, AFAIK.
Gee, thanks!
Newman says Solie, KGB-fink, sent LHO to Russia.
Newman says Mole Solie in the Office of Security -- who had betrayed CIA's spy, GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov, to KGB General Vladislav Kovshuk in Washington, D.C., movie houses in early 1957 -- sent Oswald to Moscow in October 1959 in a (belated, imho) response to (probable "mole") George Kisevalter's reporting to headquarters in April 1958 that Popov had told him in West Berlin that he'd overheard a drunken GRU colonel brag at a New Year's Eve party that the Kremlin had all of the specifications of the U-2 spy plane (which Solie had access to in the OS), so that Oswald could unwittingly protect Solie from being uncovered by causing the hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" to center on the Soviet Russia Division.
Marchetti, way back in the 1970s, said the CIA was so riddled with KGB assets...that it was unclear who was working for whom.
A true defector by the name of KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn (who defected to the US in December 1961), said that he thought there may have been as many as thirty KGB "moles" in US "Intelligence."
Thus, if elements within the CIA did encourage LHO to perp, or participate in the JFKA, it is still not known whether those elements were KGB or not.
Thart's a logical assumption.
The whole Nosenko defection indicates Moscow badly wanted to alter the narrative on the JFKA.
Evidently.
It's possible that Yuri "The KGB Had Absolutely Nothing To Do With LHO In The USSR" Nosenko (who was definitely a false-defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962) was "just" a rogue physical defector to The Land Of Milk And Honey in February 1964 whom the CIA had to let in because . . . wowie zowie . . . he claimed to have been Oswald's case officer in Moscow!!!
Just like the modern-day MAGA-Moscow-Putin-Oliver Stone narrative.
Which is possibly the intended result of sixty-six years (it started in earnest in 1961 when Gribanov sent GRU Lt. Col Dmitry Polyakov to the FBI's NYC field office to "volunteer" to spy for it at the UN, and sent KGB Major Anatoliy Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA) to the same place a couple of months later) of disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations waged against us and said NATO allies.
If true, Golitsyn was correct in trying to warn us about the KGB's 1959-on, Sun Tzu-based "Master Plan."
Which came to be disparaged by "useful idiot" (or worse) John L. Hart and his ilk as "paranoiac Golitsyn's" / "paranoiac Angleton's" Monster Plot.
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Just for fun:
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2021/docid-32375412.pdf
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https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2021/docid-32375412.pdf
I am not a fan of lie detector tests, which Sam Ervin properly called "20th-century witchcraft."
That said, to later defend Nosenko on the basis of a later polygraph is also silly.
The best indication Nosenko was planted phony is Bagley's review and take on Nosenko, iMHO.
BTW, I wonder if the 35 KGB moles in the 1960s-era CIA knew about each other. If they did...what chaos they could cause.
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I am not a fan of lie detector tests, which Sam Ervin properly called "20th-century witchcraft."
Neither was probable KGB "mole" Leonard V. McCoy.
https://www.ironbarkinc.com/2015/07/the-trouble-with-polygraph.html?m=0
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Interesting read.