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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Raine Hannula on November 13, 2025, 07:12:01 PM
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The Umbrella Man real role was to keep Kennedy in place and steady with his umbrella when Jack Dougherty shoots Kennedy
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The Umbrella Man real role was to keep Kennedy in place and steady with his umbrella when Jack Dougherty shoots Kennedy.
Instead of posting KGB-encouraged disinformation here, you should be back in Finland helping Vladimir Putin invade your country.
He's depending on you and your ilk to do that.
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That photo on the (R) Uncropped, shows a figure on the other side of the short wall. Probably walking along the sidewalk leading out of the Shelter. This photo has a time line of roughly 1 minute after the kill shot. Wiegman is still on the Knoll, Zapruder is inside the shelter behind the Zapruder Perch. Who was back there this quickly after the kill shot?
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What is that you in United States hate so much Russia ???
I can already feel the same athmosphere what it Was back in the days when Kennedy lived and why he was killed because he would stop all these wars and state propaganda with it and also this hatred.
But your comment could be yeld from the government paid mouth and why it sound so war retoric.
Ps. Russia is not invading anything and this FAKE WAR of Ukraine is like I said it, FAKE WAR only to maintain democratic states MONEY LAUNDERING business and what this NATO is also and its 5th articles are like a BAD JOKE with which you can wipe out your ass only
NATO that is only PAPER TIGER and what our president, Alexander Stubb has also said
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What is that you in United States hate so much Russia ???
I can already feel the same athmosphere what it eas back in the days when Kennedy lived and why he was killed because he would stop all wars and this hatred.
But your comment could be the yeld from the government paid mouth and why it sound so war retoric.
Ps. Russia is not invading anything and this FAKE WAR of Ukraine is like I said it, FAKE WAR only to maintain democratic states MONEY LAUNDERING business and what this NATO is also and its 5th articles are like a BAD JOKE with which you can wipe out your ass only
NATO that is only PIPER TIGER and what our president, Alexander Stubb has also said
You're full of beans and KGB* disinformation whether you realize it or not.
Go home.
Putin needs you to spread disinformation in Finland.
*Today's SVR and FSB
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Go home.
I am home
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I am home
You're supposed to be spreading disinformation for Putin there, not here.
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What is that you in United States hate so much Russia ???
I can already feel the same athmosphere what it Was back in the days when Kennedy lived and why he was killed because he would stop all these wars and state propaganda with it and also this hatred.
But your comment could be yeld from the government paid mouth and why it sound so war retoric.
Ps. Russia is not invading anything and this FAKE WAR of Ukraine is like I said it, FAKE WAR only to maintain democratic states MONEY LAUNDERING business and what this NATO is also and its 5th articles are like a BAD JOKE with which you can wipe out your ass only
NATO that is only PIPER TIGER and what our president, Alexander Stubb has also said
(https://scontent.fqlf1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/583976843_25424225477246802_6084429161814179804_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s261x260_tt6&_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=bd9a62&_nc_ohc=SI4VBxDwn6UQ7kNvwG6VXbV&_nc_oc=AdlJhgi7bG7zobacG-xA4OuJRRgtoyVMT7PtvmyFb4utamoJ9P3t0zY3PYseug9igLw&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fqlf1-2.fna&_nc_gid=8rREPA6NNOlWNT58i-k71Q&oh=00_Afj84Ottf0Uo_g-6EVoVnbZa9gtXpIFMbuwfLPofUvt4Yg&oe=691BFDF6)
Don't forget the "10% for the Big Guy" weapons sale commission. Sleepy Joe permitted that war getting started for a reason/$$.
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Don't forget the "10% for the Big Guy" weapons sale commission. Sleepy Joe permitted that war getting started for a reason/$$.
That proposal was in an email to Bozo Whatshisname from some British guy, wasn't it?
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The ONE person in Dealey Plaza out of hundreds who had an umbrella, OPENS it on a Sunny day and within seconds of that, JFK gets hit in the back and then in the head.
And coincident with UM is DC man raising his hand and approaching the JFK limo.
And coincidentally, these 2 guys just sit down at the curb SIDE by SIDE while everybody else is freaking out and running to and fro.
And amazingly coincident, NEITHER of those 2 UP CLOSE EYEWITNESS guys are questioned by police, or SS agents or FBI agents on that day of Nov 22/63.
Then they both DISAPPEAR and are never seen again until about 1978 when this guy comes forward to HSCA with an umbrella that had more sections than the umbrella seen in the Z film claiming HE is UM and that he had no idea there had been so much interest in UM over the last 15 years.
So that’s a lot of amazing coincidences that have fueled a lot of suspicion by a lot of us folks that there is more to the story than just Oswald.
By the way, I am an American combat veteran from the Cold War and even with that I do NOT hate Russian people. I just did not like the USSR communist government at the time that was preventing the Russian people from having freedom like an American citizens had.
Sadly , in the year 2025, too many Z gens apparently want to experiment with Communism/Marxist Socialism, and so my service to defend USA from Communism may turn out to be all for naught.
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The ONE person in Dealey Plaza out of hundreds who had an umbrella, OPENS it on a Sunny day and within seconds of that, JFK gets hit in the back and then in the head.
And coincident with UM is DC man raising his hand and approaching the JFK limo.
And coincidentally, these 2 guys just sit down at the curb SIDE by SIDE while everybody else is freaking out and running to and fro.
And amazingly coincident, NEITHER of those 2 UP CLOSE EYEWITNESS guys are questioned by police, or SS agents or FBI agents on that day of Nov 22/63.
Then they both DISAPPEAR and are never seen again until about 1978 when this guy comes forward to HSCA with an umbrella that had more sections than the umbrella seen in the Z film claiming HE is UM and that he had no idea there had been so much interest in UM over the last 15 years.
So that’s a lot of amazing coincidences that have fueled a lot of suspicion by a lot of us folks that there is more to the story than just Oswald.
By the way, I am an American combat veteran from the Cold War and even with that I do NOT hate Russian people. I just did not like the USSR communist government at the time that was preventing the Russian people from having freedom like an American citizens had.
Sadly , in the year 2025, too many Z gens apparently want to experiment with Communism/Marxist Socialism, and so my service to defend USA from Communism may turn out to be all for naught.
Are you a Trump supporter?
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@Tom: IDK. I like the idea of America first. I like the idea of getting better trade deals by using the leverage of reciprocal tariffs matching their tariffs. I like that Trump got the border under control.
I don’t like that Trump demolished the east wing of the White House to build a Louis XIV Palace of Versailles Ballroom.
I don’t like the idea of allowing 600 000 Communist Chinese students to flood elite American universities.
I do like that Trump supports Israel and the Jewish students being harassed on campus universities
I’m glad that Trump took out the Iranian Nuclear weapons underground facility using a precision strike.
I don’t like that Trump welcomes a former terrorist , the “new” Alcaeda leader of Syria to the White House when Christians are still being killed in Syria.
I do like that Trump has taken out lots of the drug running cartel boats trying to transport illegal drugs to America.
I do like that Trump will probably force the Communist Maduro out of Venezuela.
I don’t like that Trump is making beef deal with Argentina when our own American cattle ranchers are getting screwed by 4 meat packing corporations monopolizing the market.
I’m concerned about the Epstein coverup and Cash Patel having been vacationing in Bejing China and why the secrecy about the Charlie Kirk assassination.
I do not at all like that a Muslim jihadist Marxist has been elected Mayor of New York with access to all the surveillance security that protects NY city from infiltration by terrorists who might try to transport a nuclear bomb by vehicle into the city.
So if I sum up all the above, I would say that I’m an Independent , Christian, John Locke Classic Liberal, which puts me with the MAGA side/Trump only because the Democrats went far left woke supporting crazy transgender, pedophiles and drag queens, Satanists, DEI, and false alternate history of USA.
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@Tom: IDK. I like the idea of America first. I like the idea of getting better trade deals by using the leverage of reciprocal tariffs matching their tariffs. I like that Trump got the border under control.
I don’t like that Trump demolished the east wing of the White House to build a Louis XIV Palace of Versailles Ballroom.
I don’t like the idea of allowing 600 000 Communist Chinese students to flood elite American universities.
I do like that Trump supports Israel and the Jewish students being harassed on campus universities
I’m glad that Trump took out the Iranian Nuclear weapons underground facility using a precision strike.
I don’t like that Trump welcomes a former terrorist , the “new” Alcaeda leader of Syria to the White House when Christians are still being killed in Syria.
I do like that Trump has taken out lots of the drug running cartel boats trying to transport illegal drugs to America.
I do like that Trump will probably force the Communist Maduro out of Venezuela.
I don’t like that Trump is making beef deal with Argentina when our own American cattle ranchers are getting screwed by 4 meat packing corporations monopolizing the market.
I’m concerned about the Epstein coverup and Cash Patel having been vacationing in Bejing China and why the secrecy about the Charlie Kirk assassination.
I do not at all like that a Muslim jihadist Marxist has been elected Mayor of New York with access to all the surveillance security that protects NY city from infiltration by terrorists who might try to transport a nuclear bomb by vehicle into the city.
So if I sum up all the above, I would say that I’m an Independent, Christian, John Locke Classic Liberal, which puts me with the MAGA side/Trump only because the Democrats went far left woke supporting crazy transgender, pedophiles and drag queens, Satanists, DEI, and false alternate history of USA.
Your mentioning pedophiles is ironic.
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Well, Tom, if it turns out that Trump can be proved to be a pedo much like how Biden was proved to be by his daughters diary and the videos of Biden groping little girls , then I will definitely abandon Trump as a leader and probably call for his impeachment.
However the idea of America first, I will still support if some other Republican or Democrat or Independent who is Christian /traditional family/ Constitutional Republic advocate takes his place.
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Well, Tom, if it turns out that Trump can be proved to be a pedo much like how Biden was proved to be by his daughters diary and the videos of Biden groping little girls , then I will definitely abandon Trump as a leader and probably call for his impeachment.
However the idea of America first, I will still support if some other Republican or Democrat or Independent who is Christian /traditional family/ Constitutional Republic advocate takes his place.
ME: Are there photos showing Joe Biden groping girls?
GROK: No, there are no authentic photos showing Joe Biden groping girls.
Claims circulating online about such images typically rely on digitally altered or decontextualized photographs and videos that have been repeatedly debunked by fact-checking organizations. These manipulations often aim to amplify unrelated criticisms of Biden's public physical interactions (which some women have described as making them uncomfortable, leading to a 2019 controversy where he acknowledged adjusting his approach). However, no credible evidence—such as formal accusations, investigations, or unaltered media—supports allegations of groping or sexual misconduct involving minors.
Key Examples of Debunked Claims
Here's a summary of common manipulated images/videos and the facts behind them: [matrix]
Claimed Image/Video
Description of Manipulation/Deception
Original Context
Sources
Biden's hand on a girl's chest/breast during a hug or event
Photo edited to reposition Biden's hand higher (e.g., from shoulder to chest). Often paired with false claims like "pinching a nipple."
Unaltered photos/videos show Biden placing a hand on a shoulder, arm, or back during public greetings, hugs, or ceremonies. In one 2015 C-SPAN clip, he briefly touches a girl's shoulder while speaking; she later confirmed it felt uncomfortable but not groping.
snopes.com +2
Snopes (2022), Tech ARP (2023), PolitiFact (2020)
Biden kissing or "making out" with a young girl on the lips
Photo cropped/edited to remove family context; falsely labeled as a "15-year-old stranger."
Shows Biden kissing his then-19-year-old granddaughter Naomi on the cheek/lips at a 2020 Iowa rally (common family greeting). No underage involvement.
politifact.com
PolitiFact (2020)
Biden touching a child below the waist or "inappropriately" at a playground
Image altered to move the child's position closer to Biden and adjust hand placement.
Original 2021 AP photo from a Connecticut childcare center visit shows Biden kneeling and pointing at a flag on the child's T-shirt. Video confirms no contact beyond a later hug.
factcheck.afp.com +3
AFP Fact Check (2024), AP News (2023), PolitiFact (2023), India Today (2023)
Biden "groping" a woman (e.g., reporter or aide) at a White House event
Photo doctored to raise Biden's hands from waist/shoulders to chest; sometimes Jen Psaki's face is added.
Original 2013 Christmas party photo shows hands on a reporter's waist (criticized at the time but not groping). Similar edits applied to 2015 swearing-in photo with Stephanie Carter (hands on shoulders; she defended it as supportive).
politifact.com +10
Reuters (2020), Snopes (2017, 2021), PolitiFact (2020, 2021), FactCheck.org (2018), AFP (2024), USA Today (2021), The Guardian (2019)
Video compilation of Biden "sniffing/groping" children
Edited montage from C-SPAN footage, often slowed or cropped to exaggerate contact (e.g., shoulder rubs or hair-sniffing claims).
Clips from swearing-in ceremonies and events (2013–2022) show affectionate greetings common in politics; parents (e.g., Sen. Chris Coons) have defended them as grandfatherly. No pattern of misconduct found; some women (adults) have spoken out about discomfort, but not children.
politifact.com +7
PolitiFact (2019–2020), ABC News (2019), AP News (2023), Vox (2019), Business Insider (2020), Wikipedia (updated 2025)
Broader Context
No Credible Accusations Involving Minors: Over 40+ years in public life, Biden has faced allegations from adult women (e.g., 8 in 2019–2020, including Tara Reade's denied assault claim), but none from girls or involving children have led to investigations or charges.
politifact.com +1
Parents in photos (e.g., Ash Carter, Chris Coons) have publicly rejected misuse of images.
abcnews.go.com +2
Spread on Social Media:
X (formerly Twitter) posts often share these edits as "evidence," but they trace back to partisan sources like Gateway Pundit or anonymous accounts. Recent searches (as of Nov 2025) show ongoing recirculation, but no new authentic material.
Similar Tactics Against Others: Doctored images have targeted figures like Jen Psaki or even Trump (e.g., edited Epstein photos).
factcheck.afp.com +2
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ME: Did Joe Biden's daughter's diary say that he had molested her?
GROK: No, Ashley Biden's diary does not state that her father, Joe Biden, molested her. The diary, which she confirmed as authentic in a 2024 court letter, contains personal reflections on her recovery from addiction and sexual trauma, including a passage where she questions if she was molested as a child ("Was I molested. I think so.") and references showers with her father at an age she later described as "probably not appropriate." However, these entries do not attribute the potential molestation to Joe Biden, and there is no evidence in the verified contents or any public statement from Ashley Biden accusing him of such abuse. Claims otherwise stem from partisan misinterpretations or exaggerations of the diary's leaked excerpts, often amplified on social media and conservative outlets during the 2020 election.Key Facts About the DiaryBackground and Theft: Ashley Biden (born 1981), the youngest child of Joe and Jill Biden, left the diary and other personal items at a friend's home in Delray Beach, Florida, in spring 2020 while recovering from substance addiction. Aimee Harris, who later moved into the home, stole the diary and sold it (along with items like tax records and family photos) to the conservative group Project Veritas for $40,000 just before the 2020 election. Project Veritas declined to publish it due to verification issues and turned it over to authorities after FBI involvement. In November 2020, the right-wing site National File leaked what it claimed was a full digital copy.
apnews.com +5
Authentication: Initially unproven due to the theft's chain of custody, the diary's existence and core contents were confirmed in 2024 when Ashley Biden wrote to a New York judge ahead of Harris's sentencing (Harris received one month in prison and three months home detention). In her April 8 letter, Ashley stated: "I will forever have to deal with the fact that my personal journal can be viewed online," and noted that her "innermost thoughts" had been "constantly distorted and manipulated" to "peddle grotesque lies." Fact-checkers like Snopes updated their ratings from "Unproven" to "True" for the diary's authenticity and the published excerpts' accuracy, based on this testimony and court records.
yahoo.com +2
Relevant Contents: The diary (from 2019) includes introspective notes on Ashley's "hyper-sexualized" feelings from a young age, possible links to trauma, and addiction struggles. A key excerpt: "Showers with my dad (probably not appropriate)." Another: "Was I molested. I think so." These appear in a section on sexual trauma causes, but no entry specifies Joe Biden as the perpetrator of molestation—interpretations linking it directly to him are speculative and unsupported.
yahoo.com +4
Claims of fabricated quotes, like Ashley fearing her father "coming in the shower" at night, are unfounded and absent from verified material.
snopes.com
Debunked Misinformation and Spread [Matrix]
Claim
Reality
Sources
Diary explicitly says Joe Biden "molested" Ashley as a child.
No such direct accusation; the "molested" reflection is vague and not tied to her father. Ashley has publicly rejected distortions of her words as "grotesque lies" aimed at harming her family.
quora.com +2
Snopes (2024), PolitiFact (2022), Quora analyses (2024–2025)
FBI/DOJ "confirmed" molestation via plea deals.
The FBI confirmed the theft and sale but never verified or commented on contents. Plea deals (2022) involved Harris and Robert Kurlander for interstate transport of stolen goods—no content details.
politifact.com +2
PolitiFact (2022), VERIFY (2024), AP News (2022)
Showers happened in high school or were forced.
Entries describe childhood showers as "probably not appropriate," with no age specifics beyond "young" or high school mentions in unverified contexts. No force implied; it's retrospective discomfort.
yahoo.com +3
Snopes (2025), Reddit discussions (2024)
Ashley "admitted" the diary proves her father molested her.
Her letter confirms the diary's theft and online availability but emphasizes manipulation for political gain, without endorsing abuse claims against her father.
yahoo.com +2
Snopes (2024), Newsweek (2024)
Broader Context
No Investigations or Charges: Despite the diary's leak and over 40 years of Joe Biden's public life, no formal accusations of child molestation against him have led to probes, charges, or credible corroboration. Adult women have raised unrelated discomfort claims (e.g., 2019), but nothing involving minors.
politifact.com
Political Weaponization: The story resurfaced in 2024–2025 amid elections, with conservative figures (e.g., Tucker Carlson, Daily Mail) framing it as proof of abuse, while mainstream outlets (e.g., NYT, BBC) focused on the theft's ethics. Ashley's PTSD from a prior crime (unrelated to her father) contextualizes the trauma entries.
dailymail.co.uk +4
Ashley Biden's Privacy: As a private citizen, she has not spoken publicly beyond the court letter, which prioritizes her healing and condemns the violation. The diary was therapeutic, not a public indictment.
This remains a sensitive, politicized topic—cross-check with primary sources like court filings for accuracy. If you have a specific excerpt or claim in mind, provide details for deeper analysis.
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That proposal was in an email to Bozo Whatshisname from some British guy, wasn't it?
Stop simply repeating the BS: you've been fed. It was on Hunter's Laptop. Hunter was whining about who got what.
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Stop simply repeating the xx you've been fed. It was on Hunter's Laptop. Hunter was whining about who got what.
Dear Comrade Storing,
It was a suggestion by the British guy to Bozo Whatshisname that was CCed or forwarded to Hunter.
As I understand it, James Biden and Hunter got money, but Joe didn't.
-- Tom
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You don't "understand it" and it's obvious that you have never seriously looked into the Hunter Laptop(s). Joe "not getting money" is like saying that Al Capone never made a dime either. Cosa Nostra 101.
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You don't "understand it" and it's obvious that you have never seriously looked into the Hunter Laptop(s). Joe "not getting money" is like saying that Al Capone never made a dime either. Cosa Nostra 101.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Why wasn't "Sleepy Joe" prosecuted for his "corrupt enrichment"?
The following is an excerpt from a Wikipedia article titled "Hunter Biden laptop controversy."
Is it Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!!! ?
In December 2019, under the authority of a subpoena issued by a Wilmington grand jury, the FBI seized the laptop from Mac Isaac.[1][12][13] FBI investigators handling Hunter Biden's laptop quickly concluded in 2019 "that the laptop was genuinely his and did not seem to have been tampered with or manipulated".[14][15] In June 2024, federal prosecutors utilized the laptop as evidence as part of a criminal case against Hunter Biden, alongside testimony from an FBI agent involved in authenticating and investigating the laptop.[16] The hard drive data had been shared with Trump advisor Steve Bannon before it became publicly known.[1] Trump attempted to turn the story into an October surprise to hurt Joe Biden's campaign by falsely alleging that, while in office, Biden had acted corruptly regarding Ukraine to protect his son.[17][18][19] A joint investigation by two Republican Senate committees released in September 2020 and a Republican House Oversight committee investigation released in April 2024 did not find wrongdoing by Joe Biden with regard to Ukraine and his son's business dealings there.[25] PolitiFact wrote in June 2021 that the laptop did belong to Hunter Biden, but did not demonstrate wrongdoing by Joe Biden.[26]
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
Why wasn't "Sleepy Joe" prosecuted for his "corrupt enrichment"?
The following is an excerpt from a Wikipedia article titled "Hunter Biden laptop controversy."
Is it Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!!! ?
In December 2019, under the authority of a subpoena issued by a Wilmington grand jury, the FBI seized the laptop from Mac Isaac.[1][12][13] FBI investigators handling Hunter Biden's laptop quickly concluded in 2019 "that the laptop was genuinely his and did not seem to have been tampered with or manipulated".[14][15] In June 2024, federal prosecutors utilized the laptop as evidence as part of a criminal case against Hunter Biden, alongside testimony from an FBI agent involved in authenticating and investigating the laptop.[16] The hard drive data had been shared with Trump advisor Steve Bannon before it became publicly known.[1] Trump attempted to turn the story into an October surprise to hurt Joe Biden's campaign by falsely alleging that, while in office, Biden had acted corruptly regarding Ukraine to protect his son.[17][18][19] A joint investigation by two Republican Senate committees released in September 2020 and a Republican House Oversight committee investigation released in April 2024 did not find wrongdoing by Joe Biden with regard to Ukraine and his son's business dealings there.[25] PolitiFact wrote in June 2021 that the laptop did belong to Hunter Biden, but did not demonstrate wrongdoing by Joe Biden.[26]
-- Tom
Yeah, if it is in Wiki, you know it's the absolute truth. That is Not what serious people consider "research". You continue to discredit yourself.
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Yeah, if it is in Wikipedia, you know it's the absolute truth. That is not what serious people consider "research." You continue to discredit yourself.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Wikipedia simply can't hold a candle to the "facts" one finds on Fox news, OANN, Newsmax, and the JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum, huh?
-- Tom
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Yeah, if it is in Wikipedia, you know it's the absolute truth. That is Not what serious people consider "research". You continue to discredit yourself.
Dear Comrade Storing,
You mean the Wikipedia article lies like a dog when it says two Republican-controlled Senate committees decided that "Sleepy Joe" should NOT be prosecuted for "corruptly enriching himself"???
Please enlighten me, Comrade Storing!
-- Tom