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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Tom Graves on October 17, 2025, 10:47:16 AM
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Why did the evil, evil bad guys perform a "flash 'n bang" op on the Grassy Knoll?
To draw attention away from "patsy" Oswald?
LOL!
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Sam Holland, and other railroad guys who hardly seemed like a lot of whackos, reported seeing the smoke-and-bang show in the GK 11/22.
Many witnesses reported the telltale scent of gun-smoke in DP--but the wind was blowing towards the TSBD, as seen by women's coats and skirts, etc.
The same GK area is where D Sheriff Weitzman and a DPD'er Joe Smith (great name) separately reported they met a man who flashed Secret Service credentials at them in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA.
That is fishier than the National Aquarium.
Was GK smoke-and-bang show a diversion? Maybe.
Did a slug from the GK strike Gov. Connally's wrist? Maybe.
The bullet entered the dorsal side of JBC's wrist---hard to explain as first passing through JBC's chest.
Did a slug from the GK somehow hit JFK's head, throwing body matter on the two motorcycle officers to JFK's left and rear? I don't know.
BTW, I think Putin a lunatic mass killer, and a Hamas pal. If there is a lower form of life on the planet, I don't know about it.
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Did a slug from the GK strike Gov. Connally's wrist? Maybe. The bullet entered the dorsal side of JBC's wrist --- hard to explain as first passing through JBC's chest.
Do you think a bullet fired from the Grassy Knoll, the Triple Underpass bridge, the Postal Annex Building, a helicopter, or [fill in the blank] penetrated the back of his hand?
If the bullet was fired from the front or the side of the limo, how did it manage to penetrate his coat sleeve near his wrist, and how did it manage to carry fibers from his suit jacket into his wrist wound?
Mr. SPECTER. And what, if anything, did your examination disclose with respect to the wound of the right wrist?
Dr. GREGORY. Well, the right sleeve of the coat has a tear in it close to the margin at a point which is, I think, commensurate with the location of the dorsal
surface, the back side of the wrist, forearm where the two may have been superimposed and both damaged by the same penetrating body.
Mr. SPECTER. Is the nature of the material of the suit coat the same as that which you found in the wound of the wrist?
Dr. GRECORY. It is.
Photos of Connally's shirt sleeve and cuff.
https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/35mm-negative-b-w-5/
https://www.alamy.com/the-blood-stained-shirt-worn-by-texas-gov-john-connally-on-the-day-gunfire-wounded-him-and-killed-president-john-f-kennedy-in-dallas-texas-on-nov-22-1963-is-pictured-at-the-texas-state-library-and-archives-commission-in-austin-texas-on-tuesday-oct-15-2013-bullet-holes-are-seen-around-the-bottom-right-sleeve-and-cuff-front-right-chest-and-back-right-shoulder-texas-state-archivists-are-preparing-the-suit-and-shirt-worn-by-connally-as-the-centerpiece-for-an-exhibit-to-mark-next-months-50th-anniversary-of-kennedys-assassination-ap-phototamir-kalifa-image520270049.html
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HSCA Vol. 7, pages 150-52
1. Clothing-Suit jacket
(390) There is an irregular defect through all layers of the medial edge of the right sleeve of the coat, located 1.9 centimeters from the medial sleeve seam posteriorly; it measures 1.6 by 0.9 centimeters and involves both anterior and posterior (front and back) surfaces, representing the defect of both entry and exist in the coat sleeve.
Clothing - shirt
(391) There is a defect which passes through both layers of the French cuff of the right shirt sleeve. The defect on the outer layer of the cuff measures 1.6 by 0.9 centimeters, that on the inner layer of the cuff 1.8 by 0.5 centimeters. These two defects approximate each other and are 10.0 centimeters from the cuff margin and 10.6 centimeters medial to its anterior corner.
3. Medical record review
(392) Dr. Charles Gregory's operative record describes the wound of entry on the Governor's wrist. The wound of entry on the dorsal aspect* of the right wrist
over the junction of the right distal fourth of the radius and shaft was approximately 2 centimeters in length and rather oblique with the loss of tissue with some considerable contusion at the margins of it.(69) This enlarged entrance perforation is suggestive of a reentrance wound.
(393) Dr. Vernie A. Stembridge's surgical pathology report includes a characterization of the wound to thedorsal surface of the wrist:
Specimen (A) consists of an ellipse of skin which is white and hairy measuring 30 millimeters by 10 millimeters-by 6 millimeters. In the middle of the epidermal* portion of the specimen is a ragged laceration extending into the dermis* and measuring 10 millimeters by 2 millimeters by 2 millimeters. A small amount of hemorrhage is present in the subcutaneous tissue and dermis.*
Microscopic examination of skin from the right wrist reveals a focal absence of epithelium* with hemorrhage and disruption of the underlying dermis and soft tissue. (70)
(394) The panel considers this histologic description to be consistent with the defect being an entrance wound.
Exit wound on the volar (lower) surface of the right wrist
1. Clothing-Suit jacket (see above)
Clothing-Shirt
(395) The defect passes through both layers of the French cuff of the right shirt sleeve on the under surface. It measures 1.9 by 1.3 centimeters in the outer layer and 2 by 1.5 centimeters in the inner layer. It is 2.8 centimeters from the cuff margin and 11.3 centimeters medial to its posterior corner.
3. Medical record review
(396) Dr. Gregory's operative record characterizes the exit wound on Governor Connally's wrist as follows:
"There was a wound of exit along the volar* surface of the wrist about 2 centimeters above the flexion crease of the wrist and in the midline." (71)
Course of the missile through, the right wrist:
1. Medical record review
(397) Dr. Gregory's operative record describes the course of the missile through the wrist:
It was noted that the tendon of the abductor palmaris brevis was transacted, only two small fragments of bone were removed, one approximately 1 centimeter in length and consisted of lateral cortex which lay free in the wound and had no soft tissue connections, another much smaller fragment perhaps 3 millimeters in length was subsequently removed. Small bits of metal were encountered at various levels throughout the wound and wherever they were identified and could be picked up were picked up and have been submitted to the pathology department for identification and examination. Throughout the wound and especially in the superficial layers and to some extent in the tendon and tendon sheaths on the radial side of the arm are small fine bits of cloth consistent with fine bits of Mohair. It is our understanding that the patient was wearing a Mohair suit at the time of the injury, and this accounts for the deposition of such organic material within the wound.(72) [emphasis added]
https://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/pdf/HSCA_Vol7_M53b_Connally.pdf
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I accept Dr. Gregory's assessment, that a bullet or projectile entered the dorsal (wristwatch) side of JBC's wrist.
Dr.. Shaw was of the opinion such an entry point is unlikely, if the slug first passed through JBC chest. Shaw thought it more likely a bullet passing through JBC, from front to back, would more likely enter the ventral side of JBC''s wrist.
My best guesses for shots at JFK are---
1. TSBD6 sniper window, likely LHO, three audible shots, likely from LHO's M-C rifle.
2. Possible Dal-Tex building shot(s). Possible additional shot from TSBD6.
3. Possible GK shot.
I am not a fan of the "shot from the front" narrative, or other exotic locations.
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I accept Dr. Gregory's assessment, that a bullet or projectile entered the dorsal (wristwatch) side of JBC's wrist.
Dr.. Shaw was of the opinion such an entry point is unlikely, if the slug first passed through JBC chest. Shaw thought it more likely a bullet passing through JBC, from front to back, would more likely enter the ventral side of JBC''s wrist.
My best guesses for shots at JFK are---
1. TSBD6 sniper window, likely LHO, three audible shots, likely from LHO's M-C rifle.
2. Possible Dal-Tex building shot(s). Possible additional shot from TSBD6.
3. Possible GK shot.
I am not a fan of the "shot from the front" narrative, or other exotic locations.
Do you know exactly how Connally was holding his Stetson in his right hand around Z-222?
(Neither do I.)
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z222.jpg
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https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
Unfortunately, the Z-film frame is "too high" in some frames, while JBC's right hand is not visible, held below the level of the side of the limo, in many frames.
I can't make out much, regarding JBC's right hand.
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https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
Unfortunately, the Z-film frame is "too high" in some frames, while JBC's right hand is not visible, held below the level of the side of the limo, in many frames.
I can't make out much, regarding JBC's right hand.
One thing we can be fairly certain of is that in the confined space of the jump seat area (especially given his large size), Connally probably wasn't able to hold his beloved Stetson the way he was "supposed to."
Realists (i.e., people like myself who believe Connally was struck in the back between Z-222 and Z-224) must also take into consideration the fact that Connally, having failed to "see" JFK over his right shoulder after hearing Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot about five seconds earlier, was still turned far to his right in frames 222, 223 and 224, which radical position probably had a bearing on the position his wrist was in when it was hit.
Also, the rather steep declination of CE-399 should be taken into consideration when trying to figure out how the heck it penetrated the dorsal side of his wrist.
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You have the last word. I don't know what happened with JBC's wrist.
I think Putin is a lunatic mass-killer, and Trump despicable for not buttressing the Free World against Putin.
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I don't know what happened with JBC's wrist.
Why, then, do you bring it up in your seemingly desperate attempt to prove to yourself (and others?) that the JFKA wasn't committed by a lone gunman -- Lee Harvey Oswald -- but by some conspirators who "patsied" him and maybe even manipulated him into firing a shot or two?
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As I said, I do not know what happened with Gov. JBC's wrist.
The explanation that a 6.5 Western Cartridge slug passed though JBCs chest first, and then entered the dorsal side of JBCs wrist, and exited the ventral side, failed to convince surgeon Shaw.
So what did happen?
I don't know.
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As I said, I do not know what happened with Gov. JBC's wrist.
The explanation that a 6.5 Western Cartridge slug passed though JBCs chest first, and then entered the dorsal side of JBCs wrist, and exited the ventral side, failed to convince surgeon Shaw.
So what did happen?
I don't know.
There are, unfortunately, oodles and gobs of anomalies in the "JFK Cold Case."
That's how the KGB* has been able to make so much "hay" from it over the past sixty-two years as to be able to parlay it, and other American tragedies, into, among other things, a rousing victory for its "useful idiot" (or worse), Donald J. Trump, on 8 November 2016 and 5 November 2024.
*Today's SVR and FSB
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I agree 100% that the JFKA has been, and is, a political football, and that Moscow and Tehran, and their social influencers, are more active than ever in the space.
Anything promoted by Putin or the Ayatollah is purely propaganda.
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I agree 100% that the JFKA has been, and is, a political football, and that Moscow and Tehran, and their social influencers, are more active than ever in the space.
Anything promoted by Putin or the Ayatollah is purely propaganda.
It's amazing how you mention either "Mossad" or "Iran" in about every third post.
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You are amazed?
I amazed that you are amazed.
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You are amazed?
I amazed that you are amazed.
Do you have some sort of emotional or financial connection with Iran or Iranians, or some sort of connection with Mossad, for that matter?
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Nothing financial.
I respect the job Mossad does.
I am appalled at what has happened to Iran, since the revolution.
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The sound distortion in DP made it very difficult for witnesses to ascertain based on sound alone the location from which the shots originated. That is why witness descriptions are all over the place as to the shooter's location. Most witnesses confirm one shooter by indicating that the shots they heard originated from one location even if they disagreed as to that location.
Some witnesses undoubtedly were influenced in their opinion of the location of the shots by not only what they heard but what they could see based on the fact that the Grassy Knoll provides the most apparent location for an assassin from the DP perspective. It offers proximity to JFK car at the moment of the assassination and provides apparent seclusion for a shooter. Many individuals moved in the direction of the GK after the assassination for that reason. We know, however, that the backside of the GK behind the fence is open to half of Dallas and is the very last place any assassin would place themselves to commit this crime. The conclusion that it is a good location for the assassin is an illusion based on the most common perspective as seen from the Elm St.
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The sound distortion in DP made it very difficult for witnesses to ascertain based on sound alone the location from which the shots originated. That is why witness descriptions are all over the place as to the shooter's location. Most witnesses confirm one shooter by indicating that the shots they heard originated from one location even if they disagreed as to that location.
Some witnesses undoubtedly were influenced in their opinion of the location of the shots by not only what they heard but what they could see based on the fact that the Grassy Knoll provides the most apparent location for an assassin from the DP perspective. It offers proximity to JFK car at the moment of the assassination and provides apparent seclusion for a shooter. Many individuals moved in the direction of the GK after the assassination for that reason. We know, however, that the backside of the GK behind the fence is open to half of Dallas and is the very last place any assassin would place themselves to commit this crime. The conclusion that it is a good location for the assassin is an illusion based on the most common perspective as seen from the Elm St.
Correct.