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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Royell Storing on October 15, 2025, 07:47:36 PM
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This forum recently had extended discussion surrounding the Lovelady/Shelley ID of 2 individuals on the Couch/Darnell Films. Also included in this same film snippet we see DPD Officer Smith running down the Elm St Ext toward the railroad yard, and DPD Motorcycle Officer Baker running toward/across the "Island". But we also see a Car. This Car is parked alongside that same island that we see Officer Baker running across. In fact, Baker is almost close enough to reach out and touch that car. Couch and Darnell were riding inside Camera Car #3. Dave Wiegman was riding inside Camera Car #1 when he filmed this same "island" as his car turned from Houston St onto Elm St. Roughly 10 seconds earlier. What did the Wiegman Film show of this same car parked alongside the "island"? NOTHING! There is no car parked alongside the island on the Wiegman Film. This snippet of the Wiegman film shows people standing atop/in front of the island, but directly behind them where this car should be parked is nothing but the surface of the Elm St Ext. So why is this car not on the Wiegman Film vs roughly 10 seconds later it is filmed by Couch/Darnell parked alongside side the island? Obviously, this car was moving down the Elm St Ext toward the corner of Houston/Elm St. during the filming of this Weigman film snippet showing the island. Question is, why was this car in motion down the Elm St Ext. when the JFK Limo was still on Elm St, still inside Dealey Plaza?
15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot, the Hughes Film shows the front steps of the TSBD. This Hughes Film snippet also shows a car parked alongside the island. This could be the very same car. Why would anyone drive a car down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St, park alongside the island, and then desert the car for at least 15-20 minutes following the kill shot?
We see DPD Officer Smith running down the Elm St Ext checking the bushes on the Couch/Darnell Films. Officer Smith gave WC Testimony that he checked those bushes because a hysterical lady told him they were shooting the president through "the bushes". Bill Newman filed an Affidavit saying, "I thought the shot had come from the "The Garden" directly behind me..........". Mal Couch returned on foot to the TSBD roughly 90 seconds after the Kill Shot. Couch gave WC Testimony that when he arrived at the TSBD, "All of those policemen had their pistols pulled. And people were pointing back around "Those Shrubs". I believe that, "the bushes", "the garden" and "those shrubs", is differing descriptions of that stretch of foliage that runs down the Elm St Ext across from the TSBD.
I believe that car in question was originally parked alongside, "the bushes/the garden/the shrubs" along the Elm St Ext. I believe that a shooter riding in that car fired a shot(s) through that foliage. He probably used the car to provide additional elevation for the shot(s). This shot(s) missed and account for reports of bullets furrowing into the South Elm St grass, as well as the intense law enforcement scrutiny of the man hole cover area along the (S) Elm St curb. It is also possible that a missed shot from this bushes area is responsible for the curb strike/Tague cheek injury. This weapon was then placed inside the car trunk. The car was moved forward and parked alongside the island on the corner of Elm/Houston in order to permit a quick turn onto Elm St and the exiting of Dealey Plaza. Those inside that parked car alongside the island, then watched DPD Officer Smith running directly toward them as he ran toward the bushes. They also would see DPD Motorcycle Officer Baker making that turn from Houston onto Elm St and then pulling his motorcycle to the curb only feet below them. With a just fired gun in the trunk of their car, and cops all around them, and realizing they would not be able to immediately drive that car away, they quickly vacated the vehicle. Those that exited this car are the same 2 guys we see on the Couch/Darnell Films moving down the Elm St Ext. They both are directly behind Officer Smith and both have their Backs facing Officer Baker. Neither Officer Smith or Officer Baker can see these 2 guys or their faces.
I believe this car was retrieved once it was safe to do so. There are a few frames on the Sixth Floor Museum's recent posting of the Darnell Film that do show the front license plate of this car. There is a different color stretching horizontally across the mid point of the license plate. This is exactly where letters/numbers would be. Also, on the Hughes Film snippet showing a car parked alongside the island 15-20 minutes after the assassination, there is, "No Parking At Any Time" signage posted above the car on a signal light pole. It's possible that a DPD Cop issued this car a ticket. This might be traceable.
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There is a car is parked alongside that same island that we see Officer Baker running across. In fact, Baker is almost close enough to reach out and touch it. Couch and Darnell were riding inside Camera Car #3. Dave Wiegman was riding inside Camera Car #1 when he filmed this same "island" as his car turned from Houston St onto Elm St. Roughly ten seconds earlier. What did the Wiegman Film show of this same car parked alongside the "island"? NOTHING! There is no car parked alongside the island on the Wiegman Film.
Dear Comrade Storing,
If you'll go to the 40 second mark of this frame-by-frame slow motion clip of the Wiegman film and watch it through the 53 second mark, I think you'll see the passenger-side headlight, the distinctive "grill" area and part of the front-left panel of the car you're referring to.
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
If you'll go to the 40 second mark of this frame-by-frame slow motion clip of the Wiegman film and watch it through the 53 second mark, I think you'll see the passenger-side headlight, the distinctive "grill" area and part of the front-left panel of the car you're referring to.
-- Tom
I am not sure what you are looking at. Maybe what you are looking at is a car/cars parked on the opposite side of the Elm St Ext and FACING the railroad yard? The car I am referencing is pointed in the wrong direction to permit seeing, "....the front-left panel....". Based on what I see above, I am examining a better copy of the Wiegman Film than you have posted. The Wiegman Film I use is from, "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" (2003) DVD. This JFK Assassination presentation was hosted by Gary Mack. All of the JFK Assassination images that were included in this are extremely detailed. Based on the detail of these JFK Assassination images, I believe that Gary Mack supplied many of them from the Sixth Floor Museum. I am viewing this Wiegman Film on a 55" Vizio 4K Monitor. Everything being relative, this copy of the Wiegman Film is the best I personally have viewed. I frequently view various You Tube JFK Assassination presentations. Viewing images on You Tube is not equivalent to watching it directly from a DVD onto a Large Screen 4K Monitor.
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I am not sure what you are looking at.
1) Go to the 52 second mark.
2) Pause the video.
3) Look at the driver's side front window of the Chevy in the foreground.
4) See the long white thing that's horizontal to the ground and jutting out to the left from that Chevy's driver's side front window area?
5) What do you think it is?
6) If you don't know, go back to the 40 second mark and watch that area to the 53 second mark as many times as you need to finally "see it."
7) Hint: You can see the car's grill area and the passenger-side headlight at the 42 second mark.
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Like I said, there are cars parked on the other side of the Elm St Ext. This is what you are seeing. These vehicles are near the Huge Gates. At least 1 of these cars on that side of the street is visible on the Martin Film snippet showing Amos Euins on the back of Sgt Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle. Use that traffic light pole with the pointed sign on it as your visual landmark. On the Couch/Darnell Films, the Front of the car in question is parked from that traffic light pole BACK toward the railroad yard. On the Wiegman Film you posted, do you see a parked car from that traffic light pole Back toward the railroad yard? Look between the people standing on the Island. All you see is the street surface directly behind them. This is because there is no car parked from the traffic light pole back toward the railroad yard at this point in time.
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Like I said, there are cars parked on the other side of the Elm St Ext. This is what you are seeing. These vehicles are near the Huge Gates. At least 1 of these cars on that side of the street is visible on the Martin Film snippet showing Amos Euins on the back of Sgt Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle. Use that traffic light pole with the pointed sign on it as your visual landmark. On the Couch/Darnell Films, the Front of the car in question is parked from that traffic light pole BACK toward the railroad yard. On the Wiegman Film you posted, do you see a parked car from that traffic light pole Back toward the railroad yard? Look between the people standing on the Island. All you see is the street surface directly behind them. This is because there is no car parked from the traffic light pole back toward the railroad yard at this point in time.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Do you see the man in the general direction of your HUGE GATES who's wearing a suit and a fedora and has his arms crossed? (Some folks at the so-called Education Forum used to think he might be Roy Truly, but he isn't).
Good!
Go to the 40-second mark, pause the video, and look closely at him in the gap between the two camera cars and you'll see that he's standing on the tip of the "island" / "peninsula".
You can see that, right?
Good!
I MIGHT BE WRONG, but I believe just behind him and to his right is a car that I believe is parked legally, direction-wise, on the "island" side of Elm Street Extension, not the TSBD side.
Please let me know if you need any more assistance.
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
Do you see the man in the general direction of your HUGE GATES who's wearing a suit and a fedora and has his arms crossed? (Some folks at the so-called Education Forum used to think he might be Roy Truly, but he isn't).
Good!
Go to the 40-second mark, pause the video, and look closely at him in the gap between the two camera cars and you'll see that he's standing on the tip of the "island" / "peninsula".
You can see that, right?
Good!
I MIGHT BE WRONG, but I believe just behind him and to his right is a car that I believe is parked legally, direction-wise, on the "island" side of Elm Street Extension, not the TSBD side.
Please let me know if you need any more assistance.
-- Tom
For starters, it is ILLEGAL to park alongside the Island. The Hughes Film shows a car parked in the same position alongside the Island about 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. Above that car is a sign attached to the Traffic Light Pole that reads, "No Parking at any time". Just look at the feet of the people standing on the Island. You can see the Street behind them. If there was a car directly behind them, you would Not be able to see the street. A car parked behind them would block the view of the street. What you are seeing is a car on the other side of the street. It is pointed toward the railroad yard. You are seeing the (L) rear fender/tail light/trunk of a car on the other side of the street, close to the Huge Gates.
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Just look at the feet of the people standing on the "island." You can see the street behind them. If there was a car directly behind them, you would not be able to see the street.
I MIGHT BE WRONG but think what you assume is "the street visible between the legs of [some of] the people who are on the Island" is actually the Island, and the reason we can see "it" is because the car isn't parked on the Island, it's parked on the street right next to the Island.
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I MIGHT BE WRONG but think what you assume is "the street visible between the legs of [some of] the people who are on the Island" is actually the Island, and the reason we can see "it" is because the car isn't parked on the Island, it's parked on the street right next to the Island.
I am currently looking at the Wiegman Film from Gary Mack's "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" DVD. You previously mentioned the older guy wearing a Fedora standing atop the Island. To his (R) is a lady with a purse hanging from her (L) arm. There is open space between this Purse Lady and the Fedora Man. Through this open space I can clearly see all the way back to that car parked in front of the Huge Gates on the other side of the Elm St Ext. I can see the Top, rear window, (L) rear fender, (L) rear tail light, and the upper portion of the trunk lid of this car. My seeing this car would be blocked if a car was parked directly behind the Fedora Man and the Purse Lady alongside the island. Maybe your error is due to the inferior copy of the Wiegman Film that you are basing your conclusions on? The discovery of this car moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is a major find. The "Coupla Guys" walking away from that car on the Couch/Darnell Films is extremely suspicious. I believe they are attached to that car.
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I am currently looking at the Wiegman Film from Gary Mack's "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" DVD. You previously mentioned the older guy wearing a Fedora standing atop the Island. To his (R) is a lady with a purse hanging from her (L) arm. There is open space between this Purse Lady and the Fedora Man. Through this open space I can clearly see all the way back to that car parked in front of the Huge Gates on the other side of the Elm St Ext. I can see the Top, rear window, (L) rear fender, (L) rear tail light, and the upper portion of the trunk lid of this car. My seeing this car would be blocked if a car was parked directly behind the Fedora Man and the Purse Lady alongside the island. Maybe your error is due to the inferior copy of the Wiegman Film that you are basing your conclusions on? The discovery of this car moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is a major find. The "Coupla Guys" walking away from that car on the Couch/Darnell Films is extremely suspicious. I believe they are attached to that car.
\ To test the location of the car either parked along the south (or north) curb of the Elm Extension, as seen in the Wiegman film, I plotted Wiegman’s position with test south curb versus north curb cars on a DP map. The plot showed the north curb car about twice the distance from the camera compared to a south curb car. Then for equal sized cars the north curb car would appear about one half the size of the south curb car to Wiegman’s camera. I made a quick 3D view animation to demonstrate this and added a 5.5’ black suit man for comparison. It looks to me that the Wiegman car is nearer to the south curb. Note that I gave the test cars a steel-blue color (not white) for the 3D animation for modeling development use.
(https://i.imgur.com/Jjb9lS4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/27NzZBw.gif)
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\ To test the location of the car either parked along the south (or north) curb of the Elm Extension, as seen in the Wiegman film, I plotted Wiegman’s position with test south curb versus north curb cars on a DP map. The plot showed the north curb car about twice the distance from the camera compared to a south curb car. Then for equal sized cars the north curb car would appear about one half the size of the south curb car to Wiegman’s camera. I made a quick 3D view animation to demonstrate this and added a 5.5’ black suit man for comparison. It looks to me that the Wiegman car is nearer to the south curb. Note that I gave the test cars a steel-blue color (not white) for the 3D animation for modeling development use.
(https://i.imgur.com/Jjb9lS4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/27NzZBw.gif)
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that it looks to you as though the Wiegman car is parked next to the "island" instead of next to the TSBD. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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If I understand you correctly, you're saying that it looks to you as though the Wiegman car is parked next to the "island" instead of next to the TSBD. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes Tom, the car seems close to the Elm Exension's south curb, which is the "island" north curb. I'm attaching a single graphic showing the two positions along with the Wiegman frame for comparison. Which 3D render looks more like the Wiegman frame to you?
(https://i.imgur.com/bpppNbt.jpeg)
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Yes Tom, the car seems close to the Elm Exension's south curb, which is the "island" north curb. I'm attaching a single graphic showing the two positions along with the Wiegman frame for comparison. Which 3D render looks more like the Wiegman frame to you?
(https://i.imgur.com/bpppNbt.jpeg)
I think you're right, I mean correct.
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\ To test the location of the car either parked along the south (or north) curb of the Elm Extension, as seen in the Wiegman film, I plotted Wiegman’s position with test south curb versus north curb cars on a DP map. The plot showed the north curb car about twice the distance from the camera compared to a south curb car. Then for equal sized cars the north curb car would appear about one half the size of the south curb car to Wiegman’s camera. I made a quick 3D view animation to demonstrate this and added a 5.5’ black suit man for comparison. It looks to me that the Wiegman car is nearer to the south curb. Note that I gave the test cars a steel-blue color (not white) for the 3D animation for modeling development use.
(https://i.imgur.com/Jjb9lS4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/27NzZBw.gif)
You guys are over complicating this. The car on the Wiegman still frame is parked close to the Huge Gates. We see the (L) TAIL LIGHT of this car. A Tail Light is COLORED. We see this Tail Light on the Wiegman still frame has COLOR. On the Couch/Darnell film, Officer Baker runs past the HEADLIGHT of a car parked alongside the Island. That Headlight is CLEAR. This is indisputable.
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The car in the Wiegman frame is parked [on the TSBD side of Elm Street Extension,] close to the Huge Gates.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Why is it so large in comparison with the people in the "foreground"?
-- Tom
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You guys are over complicating this. The car on the Wiegman still frame is parked close to the Huge Gates. We see the (L) TAIL LIGHT of this car. A Tail Light is COLORED. We see this Tail Light on the Wiegman still frame has COLOR. On the Couch/Darnell film, Officer Baker runs past the HEADLIGHT of a car parked alongside the Island. That Headlight is CLEAR. This is indisputable.
I don’t think that is a taillight on a car near the gates. It is probably related to the Live Oak Tree shadow filling the area between the black suit man and the woman to his right. Such as shadow would be coming from the lower portion of the crown and on the south side (from modeling). The tree was not giving shade to the proposed car near the gates (north side of the Extension).
(https://i.imgur.com/JRIimm8.jpeg)
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You've lost me.
Sorry. These graphics might help. The graphic of the tree is an anaglyph, 3D if you can find a pair of the Red/Cyan glasses. Cheap on Amazon :)
(https://i.imgur.com/msg8qHD.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NkqiFpM.jpeg)
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I don't even know where "the car near Storing's HUGE GATES" is in your above presentation.
From Wiegman's POV:
If the car was parked at the "island" curb it labeled A in this graphic.
If the car was parked at the curb near the gates it is labeled B.
(https://i.imgur.com/56ShcbU.jpeg)
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From Wiegman's POV:
If the car was parked at the "island" curb it labeled A in this graphic.
If the car was parked at the curb near the gates it is labeled B.
(https://i.imgur.com/56ShcbU.jpeg)
Where did Comrade Storing go?
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Where did Comrade Storing go?
Are you interested in actually seeing the car parked near the Huge Gates? The same car we see in this same location on the Wiegman Film?
Go to YOU TUBE: Search - "Manhunt: The Search for JFK's Killer (Full Episode) | JFK One Day in America" by - National Geographic. The 8:55 Mark shows Brehm and Euins sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car. In front of Inspector Sawyer's car is a car parked along the curb near the Huge Gates. THIS, is the same car we see on the Wiegman Film. This car is parked close to the Huge Gates and facing the railroad yard. The (L) Rear tail light that we see on the Wiegman Film is visible here too. And this tail light is colored like tail lights are.
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Are you interested in actually seeing the car parked near the Huge Gates? The same car we see in this same location on the Wiegman Film?
Go to YOU TUBE: Search - "Manhunt: The Search for JFK's Killer (Full Episode) | JFK One Day in America" by - National Geographic. The 8:55 Mark shows Brehm and Euins sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car. In front of Inspector Sawyer's car is a car parked along the curb near the Huge Gates. THIS, is the same car we see on the Wiegman Film. This car is parked close to the Huge Gates and facing the railroad yard. The (L) Rear tail light that we see on the Wiegman Film is visible here too. And this taillight is colored like taillights are.
And your whole point is what?
That the bad guys escaped in that car by driving it towards the railway yard / parking lot?
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And your whole point is what?
That the bad guys escaped in that car by driving it towards the railway yard / parking lot?
You previously claimed that the car parked near the Huge Gates was actually parked alongside the Island. That is Not True.
The Wiegman Film shows NO CAR parked alongside the Island. The Couch and Darnell Films DO show a car parked alongside the Island. We see Officer Baker run across the front of this car on both of these films. This means a car moved down the Elm St Ext and parked alongside the Island seconds after the Wiegman Film Snippet showing the Island. I believe this same car is also on the Hughes Film Snippet that shows Billy Lovelady standing on the (R) side of the TSBD front steps. This Hughes Film Snippet was taken roughly 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. This means the car parked alongside the Island was abandoned only seconds after the kill shot and left there for at least 15-20 minutes. Probably more. I believe that Officer Smith and Officer Baker running toward this car caused whoever was inside it to flee the vehicle.
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The Wiegman Film shows no car parked alongside the Island.
Dear Comrade Storing,
I believe the car that's parked next to the "island" in the Robert Hughes clip can seen at the 08:56 mark in the National Geographic video you told us about, and I believe it's the same car that Officer Baker ran in front of in Couch-Darnell while on his way to the TSBD entrance.
So much for "There was no car parked alongside the Island."
Suggestion: Why don't you get a graphics program, figure out how to use it, and mark the car you're referring to in all of the images you believe it appears it?
Truth is, you're such a crummy writer that at least half the time I have no you-know-what idea what you're talking about.
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
I believe the car that's parked next to the "island" in the Robert Hughes clip can seen at the 08:56 mark in the National Geographic video you told us about, and I believe it's the same car that Officer Baker ran in front of in Couch-Darnell while on his way to the TSBD entrance.
So much for "There was no car parked alongside the Island."
Suggestion: Why don't you get a graphics program, figure out how to use it, and mark the car you're referring to in all of the images you believe it appears it?
Truth is, you're such a crummy writer that at least half the time I have no you-know-what idea what you're talking about.
-- Tom
The "no car parked alongside the Island" is in reference to what we see on the WIEGMAN Film. That portion of the Wiegman Film was captured when the JFK Limo was still on Elm St.
The car you are referencing on the Nat Geo presentation is parked in a different location. Inspector Sawyer's car which we see Euins and Brehm sitting inside, was parked with its' trunk stretching across the (L) front steps of the TSBD. The car you mention is sitting further up the Elm St Ext than the Inspector Sawyer car. The car you mention is NOT parked at the end of the Island. It is parked further down the Elm St Ext.
Remember to use the Signal Light Pole as a Landmark. On the Couch/Darnell films, we see this Signal Light Pole as Officer Baker runs across the front of the car parked at the END of the Island.
I believe the Hughes Film snippet showing the front of the TSBD, also shows this very same car still parked at the end of the Island. (And this is a posted, "NO PARKING ZONE"). This portion of the Hughes Film showing this same car was filmed roughly 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. I believe this car was abandoned at the End of the Island: (1) when Officer Smith ran toward the car/down the Elm St Ext to check the bushes, and (2) Officer Baker turned his motorcycle from Houston St onto Elm, parked his motorcycle at the curb, and then ran directly toward this same car as he headed toward the TSBD. Whoever was in that car got nervous when seeing this law enforcement activity around them, got out of the car, and distanced themselves from the car.
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The "no car parked alongside the Island" is in reference to what we see on the WIEGMAN Film. That portion of the Wiegman Film was captured when the JFK Limo was still on Elm St.
The car you are referencing on the Nat Geo presentation is parked in a different location. Inspector Sawyer's car which we see Euins and Brehm sitting inside, was parked with its' trunk stretching across the (L) front steps of the TSBD. The car you mention is sitting further up the Elm St Ext than the Inspector Sawyer car. The car you mention is NOT parked at the end of the Island. It is parked further down the Elm St Ext.
Remember to use the Signal Light Pole as a Landmark. On the Couch/Darnell films, we see this Signal Light Pole as Officer Baker runs across the front of the car parked at the END of the Island.
I believe the Hughes Film snippet showing the front of the TSBD, also shows this very same car still parked at the end of the Island. (And this is a posted, "NO PARKING ZONE"). This portion of the Hughes Film showing this same car was filmed roughly 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. I believe this car was abandoned at the End of the Island: (1) when Officer Smith ran toward the car/down the Elm St Ext to check the bushes, and (2) Officer Baker turned his motorcycle from Houston St onto Elm, parked his motorcycle at the curb, and then ran directly toward this same car as he headed toward the TSBD. Whoever was in that car got nervous when seeing this law enforcement activity around them, got out of the car, and distanced themselves from the car.
Dear Comrade Storing,
You need to get a graphics program and learn how to use it.
Due to your probably warped perspective and your inability to consistently specify which side of the street you're referring to when talking about "this car" or "that car" in the Wiegman clip and/or Couch-Darnell, I have no idea what you're talking about.
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
You need to get a graphics program and learn how to use it.
Due to your inability to consistently specify which side of the street you're referring to when talking about "this car" or "that car" in the Wiegman clip and/or Couch-Darnell, I have no idea what you're talking about.
-- Tom
This car moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is a very big deal. It is a new find. Understanding this discovery requires knowing the differing timelines of JFK assassination films.
The Wiegman Film does NOT show a car parked alongside the "Island". The Couch/Darnell films DO SHOW a car parked alongside the "Island". Wiegman was riding inside Camera Car #1. Couch/Darnell were riding inside Camera Car #3. The Wiegman film footage of the Island is roughly 20-25 seconds ahead of the Couch/Darnell filmed images of the Island. This car was traveling down the Elm St Ext during the Wiegman Filming of the Island. This same car had reached the Island and parked alongside it by the time Couch/Darnell filmed the Island. I believe the Hughes Film Snippet showing the front steps of the TSBD, also shows us this same car parked in the same spot alongside the island. This Hughes snippet was filmed roughly 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. Yet, this same car is still parked alongside the Island where we see it on the Couch/Darnell films. What we are seeing on the Couch/Darnell Films and the Hughes Film is a "getaway car" that was deserted alongside the Island.
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This car moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is a very big deal. It is a new find. Understanding this discovery requires knowing the differing timelines of JFK assassination films.
The Wiegman Film does NOT show a car parked alongside the "Island". The Couch/Darnell films DO SHOW a car parked alongside the "Island". Wiegman was riding inside Camera Car #1. Couch/Darnell were riding inside Camera Car #3. The Wiegman film footage of the Island is roughly 20-25 seconds ahead of the Couch/Darnell filmed images of the Island. This car was traveling down the Elm St Ext during the Wiegman Filming of the Island. This same car had reached the Island and parked alongside it by the time Couch/Darnell filmed the Island. I believe the Hughes Film Snippet showing the front steps of the TSBD, also shows us this same car parked in the same spot alongside the island. This Hughes snippet was filmed roughly 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. Yet, this same car is still parked alongside the Island where we see it on the Couch/Darnell films. What we are seeing on the Couch/Darnell Films and the Hughes Film is a "getaway car" that was deserted alongside the Island.
"This car . . . "
LOL!
There you go again!
"The Wiegman Film does NOT show a car parked alongside the "Island".
You're mistaken.
See James Hackerott's work, above.
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Hackerott saw that the National Geographic film snippet proved him wrong. It's clear that is a getaway car that was deserted there on the corner. It's obvious that it was gonna make a quick (R) turn onto Elm St ASAP and then be gone. The question remaining is if those 2 guys that have been debated as being Shelley and Lovelady are actually the 2 guys that vacated that getaway car.
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Hackerott saw that the National Geographic film snippet proved him wrong. It's clear that is a getaway car that was deserted there on the corner. It's obvious that it was gonna make a quick (R) turn onto Elm St ASAP and then be gone. The question remaining is if those 2 guys that have been debated as being Shelley and Lovelady are actually the 2 guys that vacated that getaway car.
Dear Comrade Storing,
How do you know there were two guys in that in the car we see in the Robert Hughes clip and at the 08:56 mark in this video?
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
How do you know there were two guys in that in the car we see in the Robert Hughes clip and at the 08:56 mark in this video?
-- Tom
The Couch/Darnell Films show 2 Guys walking away from the car parked on the corner. I believe these same 2 guys had just gotten out of this car and were "distancing" themselves from the car. I believe this car was their "getaway" car. 1 Shooter + 1 Spotter = 2 Guys
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The Couch/Darnell Films show 2 Guys walking away from the car parked on the corner. I believe these same 2 guys had just gotten out of this car and were "distancing" themselves from the car. I believe this car was their "getaway" car. 1 Shooter + 1 Spotter = 2 Guys
Dear Comrade Storing,
How is it that they dressed just like William Shelley and Billy Lovelady that day, and how is it that the one who was wearing Lovelady's shirt had a bald spot just like Billy's?
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
How is it that they dressed just like William Shelley and Billy Lovelady that day, and how is it that the one who was wearing Lovelady's shirt had a bald spot just like Billy's?
-- Tom
You're "assuming facts not in evidence". The Couch/Darnell still frames are not nearly clear enough to tell if these 2 Guys were: (1) "...dressed JUST LIKE William Shelley and Billy Lovelady", (2) "...one was wearing Lovelady's shirt, and, (3) had a bald spot JUST LIKE Billy's". The lack of detail in these still frames renders your claims to be not remotely fact based. What is a Fact is that both Lovelady and Shelley gave WC Testimony regarding their moving down the Elm St Ext at about 3 minutes after the Kill Shot. The Couch/Darnell fuzzy still frames showing these 2 guys were taken at roughly 30 seconds after the Kill Shot. Based on the timeline provided by Lovelady/Shelley in their own sworn testimonies means these fuzzy figures can Not be them.
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You're "assuming facts not in evidence". The Couch/Darnell still frames are not nearly clear enough to tell if these 2 Guys were: (1) "...dressed JUST LIKE William Shelley and Billy Lovelady", (2) "...one was wearing Lovelady's shirt, and, (3) had a bald spot JUST LIKE Billy's". The lack of detail in these still frames renders your claims to be not remotely fact based. What is a Fact is that both Lovelady and Shelley gave WC Testimony regarding their moving down the Elm St Ext at about 3 minutes after the kill shot. The Couch/Darnell fuzzy still frames showing these 2 guys were taken at roughly 30 seconds after the Kill Shot. Based on the timeline provided by Lovelady/Shelley in their own sworn testimonies means these fuzzy figures can Not be them.
Dear Comrade Storing,
If I understand you correctly, you think the car that's visible to the left of Fedora Man in the Wiegman clip isn't the car that's parked on the island side of Elm Street Extension in the Robert Hughes clip and in the National Geographic clip, but a car that's parked on the TSBD side of Elm Street Extension in the aforementioned National Geographic video.
If so, why is it so large in the Wiegman clip?
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
If I understand you correctly, you think the car that's visible to the left of Fedora Man in the Wiegman clip isn't the car that's parked on the island side of Elm Street Extension in the Robert Hughes clip and in the National Geographic clip, but a car that's parked on the TSBD side of Elm Street Extension in the aforementioned National Geographic video.
If so, why is it so large in the Wiegman clip?
-- Tom
You have not Proven that the car in the Nat Geo snippet that also shows Amos Euins is the same car we see on the corner in the Couch/Darnell films. You might be correct, but to this point you have yet to supply any proof of your claim being a fact. I use the signal light pole and/or the signage on the other pole to verify a car being the same car we see on the Couch/Darnell films. I do not see either pole on the Nat Geo/Amos Euins snippet.
What's "large" to you may not be "large" to me. This is "eye of the beholder" territory. Leads to nowhere.
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You have not Proven that the car in the Nat Geo snippet that also shows Amos Euins is the same car we see on the corner in the Couch/Darnell films. You might be correct, but to this point you have yet to supply any proof of your claim being a fact. I use the signal light pole and/or the signage on the other pole to verify a car being the same car we see on the Couch/Darnell films. I do not see either pole on the Nat Geo/Amos Euins snippet. What's "large" to you may not be "large" to me. This is "eye of the beholder" territory. Leads to nowhere.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Did you not understand James Hackerott's graphics?
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
Did you not understand James Hackerott's graphics?
-- Tom
Hackerott watched the National Geographic snippet proving that he had made an error. Simple as that.
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Hackerott watched the National Geographic snippet proving that he had made an error. Simple as that.
Is that what he told you?
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Dear Comrade Storing,
Did you not understand James Hackerott's graphics?
-- Tom
You're asking me the above question after admitting that he even "lost" you? That's ironically funny.
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You're asking me the above question after admitting that he even "lost" you?
Dear Comrade Storing,
The tree shadows?
LOL!
You do realize, don't you, that Robert Hughes filmed the TSBD entrance from the left side of the pole, don't you?
-- Tom
PS How's your "peer review" coming along?
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Hackerott saw that the National Geographic film snippet proved him wrong. It's clear that is a getaway car that was deserted there on the corner. It's obvious that it was gonna make a quick (R) turn onto Elm St ASAP and then be gone. The question remaining is if those 2 guys that have been debated as being Shelley and Lovelady are actually the 2 guys that vacated that getaway car.
Mr. Storing. Where or where did I write anything about the Nat Geo film snippet? I'd like to know as I have no recollection of that. I've only adressed the side of the Elm Extension of the car in Wiegman. Not what car it was. Thanks
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Dear Comrade Storing,
I believe the car that's parked next to the "island" in the Robert Hughes clip can seen at the 08:56 mark in the National Geographic video you told us about, and I believe it's the same car that Officer Baker ran in front of in Couch-Darnell while on his way to the TSBD entrance.
So much for "There was no car parked alongside the Island."
Suggestion: Why don't you get a graphics program, figure out how to use it, and mark the car you're referring to in all of the images you believe it appears it?
Truth is, you're such a crummy writer that at least half the time I have no you-know-what idea what you're talking about.
-- Tom
Hackerott - Finally smoked you out. Look at the 8:55 Mark. See that car parked near the Huge Gates? That's THE same car you claimed was on the Island side of the Elm Ext. Right down to the same tail light.
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Hackerott - Finally smoked you out. Look at the 8:55 Mark. See that car parked near the Huge Gates? That's THE same car you claimed was on the Island side of the Elm Ext. Right down to the same tail light.
Mr. Storing. where or when did I write anything about the Nat Geo film snippet? I'd like to know as I have no recollection of that. I've only adressed the side of the Elm Extension of the car in Wiegman. Not what car it was. Thanks
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We can’t tell if the Darnell/Couch car at the traffic pole is or is not present in Wiegman. This is due to the fact that spectators block a clear view of where the car would be.
Schrödinger's "car"
(https://i.imgur.com/hkAPTuY.gif)
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We can’t tell if the Darnell/Couch car at the traffic pole is or is not present in Wiegman. This is due to the fact that spectators block a clear view of where the car would be.
Schrödinger's "car"
(https://i.imgur.com/hkAPTuY.gif)
The car on the Couch/Darnell Films is parked with its' Front bumper almost in line with the traffic pole. The vast majority of this car stretches BACK toward the railroad yard. On the Wiegman Film, we see spectators stretching back from this same traffic pole. These spectators are standing almost in line back toward the railroad. We can clearly see between these spectators. We see No Trace of a Car parked alongside the Island between these spectators. We DO SEE the surface of the Elm St Ext. There is clearly no trace of a car. Again, I am examining a very good copy of the Wiegman Film. This Wiegman Copy is from the "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" (2003) DVD. I am viewing it straight from the DVD onto a 55" 4K Monitor. This presentation was on the Discovery Channel and hosted by Gary Mack. The clarity of ALL the images on this presentation, (there are a lot), has me believing that Gary Mack used Sixth Floor Museum images for this presentation. Maybe you are examining a sub-standard copy of the Wiegman Film?
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The car on the Couch/Darnell Films is parked with its' Front bumper almost in line with the traffic pole. The vast majority of this car stretches BACK toward the railroad yard. On the Wiegman Film, we see spectators stretching back from this same traffic pole. These spectators are standing almost in line back toward the railroad. We can clearly see between these spectators. We see No Trace of a Car parked alongside the Island between these spectators. We DO SEE the surface of the Elm St Ext. There is clearly no trace of a car. Again, I am examining a very good copy of the Wiegman Film. This Wiegman Copy is from the "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" (2003) DVD. I am viewing it straight from the DVD onto a 55" 4K Monitor. This presentation was on the Discovery Channel and hosted by Gary Mack. The clarity of ALL the images on this presentation, (there are a lot), has me believing that Gary Mack used Sixth Floor Museum images for this presentation. Maybe you are examining a sub-standard copy of the Wiegman Film?
Dear Comrade Storing,
Among the women who are standing near the tip of the "island" in Weitzman I mean Wiegman, there's one who's wearing a dark-colored blouse or sweater and a light colored skirt (she's also visible in Couch-Darnell but she's turned to her right to look down towards the triple underpass), and to her immediate left in Weitzman I mean Wiegman there's a woman who's wearing all dark-colored clothes and is leaning forward (they both have their arms crossed).
If you'll look at the area between their lower legs in Weitzman I mean Wiegman at the 01:17 mark, I MIGHT BE WRONG -- but think you can see the tire and the hubcap of the evil, evil MYSTO GETAWAY CAR, which lines up perfectly with where the EVIL, EVIL MYSTO GETAWAY Car's right-front tire would be -- as indicated in James' masterfully aligned overlay of the pertinent Couch-Darnell frame and the Weitzman I mean Wiegman frame.
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4acfbdfe9e621853&sxsrf=AE3TifPQscII5B33689WN5ASLy4V67ymfw:1761253738909&udm=7&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZ1Y6MJ25_tmWITc7uy4KIeoJTKjrFjVxydQWqI2NcOhYPURIv2wPgv_w_sE_0Sc6QogS5TvEDp7UpbJYBVowPixqwW1m3RxusXeC54mlaBukI-u11T8A4p_RoeB8Zd5XkUrSSuQd1RmntXpoeT5OCau1r5sZxcabp8_wMX507cRuTxRAAlmoUaYXhQYLDPQWL9DB5tQ&q=%22wiegman+film%22+jfk&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjYgd67nbuQAxUDiO4BHbLSG9QQtKgLegQIFxAB&biw=1592&bih=744&dpr=1#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:63d72787,vid:u3xR0WBPo8I,st:0
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
Among the people who are standing near the tip of the "island" in Weitzman I mean Wiegman, there's one who's wearing a dark-colored blouse or sweater and a light colored skirt (she's also visible in Couch-Darnell but she's turned to her right to look down towards the triple underpass), and to her immediate left in Weitzman I mean Wiegman there's a woman who's wearing all dark-colored clothes and is leaning forward (they both have their arms crossed).
If you'll look at the area between their lower legs in Weitzman I mean Wiegman at the 01:17 mark, I MIGHT BE WRONG -- but think you can see the tire and the hubcap of the evil, evil MYSTO GETAWAY CAR, which lines up perfectly with where the EVIL, EVIL MYSTO GETAWAY Car's right-front tire would be -- as indicated in James' masterfully aligned overlay of the pertinent Couch-Darnell frame and the Weitzman I mean Wiegman frame.
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4acfbdfe9e621853&sxsrf=AE3TifPQscII5B33689WN5ASLy4V67ymfw:1761253738909&udm=7&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZ1Y6MJ25_tmWITc7uy4KIeoJTKjrFjVxydQWqI2NcOhYPURIv2wPgv_w_sE_0Sc6QogS5TvEDp7UpbJYBVowPixqwW1m3RxusXeC54mlaBukI-u11T8A4p_RoeB8Zd5XkUrSSuQd1RmntXpoeT5OCau1r5sZxcabp8_wMX507cRuTxRAAlmoUaYXhQYLDPQWL9DB5tQ&q=%22wiegman+film%22+jfk&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjYgd67nbuQAxUDiO4BHbLSG9QQtKgLegQIFxAB&biw=1592&bih=744&dpr=1#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:63d72787,vid:u3xR0WBPo8I,st:0
-- Tom
The "getaway" car was parked with its' front bumper roughly EVEN with the Signal Light Pole and the car stretching BACK toward the railroad yard. (Per seeing Officer Baker run across the Island on the Couch & Darnell Films). The women you are talking about were standing on the Other Side/Wrong Side of this same Signal Light Pole. The definition of the Wiegman Film you posted is substandard. It probably has something to do with it being posted on YouTube 15 yrs ago.
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The "getaway" car was parked with its' front bumper roughly EVEN with the Signal Light Pole and the car stretching BACK toward the railroad yard. (Per seeing Officer Baker run across the Island on the Couch & Darnell Films). The women you are talking about were standing on the Other Side/Wrong Side of this same Signal Light Pole. The definition of the Wiegman Film you posted is substandard. It probably has something to do with it being posted on YouTube 15 yrs ago.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Can you see your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR in Couch-Darnell as Officer Baker runs in front of it on his way to the TSBD entrance about 25 seconds after the final shot?
Good!
Can you mentally visualize where that car's right-front tire is?
Good!
Now look at James' fine overlay of the pertinent Couch-Darnell / Wiegman frames and ask yourself, "Okay, where would I see that tire in James' Weigman frame IF the car were already parked in the same spot it's parked in Couch-Darnell if all of those darn women weren't standing near the tip of the "island" in Wiegman and blocking our view of it?" (Hint: It is.)
You can do that by going to the 01:17 mark in the Wiegman film (below) -- which happens to be the same frame that's in James' overlay -- and looking very closely at the area between the lower legs of the two women I pointed out to you in my previous post.
If and when you'll finally do so, I think you'll finally agree that you can see the right-front tire and the hubcap of the very same MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR.
But then again, knowing you, you probably won't.
LOL!
-- Tom
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4acfbdfe9e621853&sxsrf=AE3TifPQscII5B33689WN5ASLy4V67ymfw:1761253738909&udm=7&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZ1Y6MJ25_tmWITc7uy4KIeoJTKjrFjVxydQWqI2NcOhYPURIv2wPgv_w_sE_0Sc6QogS5TvEDp7UpbJYBVowPixqwW1m3RxusXeC54mlaBukI-u11T8A4p_RoeB8Zd5XkUrSSuQd1RmntXpoeT5OCau1r5sZxcabp8_wMX507cRuTxRAAlmoUaYXhQYLDPQWL9DB5tQ&q=%22wiegman+film%22+jfk&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjYgd67nbuQAxUDiO4BHbLSG9QQtKgLegQIFxAB&biw=1592&bih=744&dpr=1#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:63d72787,vid:u3xR0WBPo8I,st:0
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As usual, you over complicate this issue with assorted Lego Cars, and Over Lay visual aids. How about just examining a good copy of the Wiegman Film? The Photo Gallery right here on this Forum has better Wiegman still frames of the Island than anything that you have posted thus far. This is really very simple. Examine the Real Deal. Examine the Wiegman Film itself.
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As usual, you over complicate this issue with assorted Lego Cars, and Over Lay visual aids. How about just examining a good copy of the Wiegman Film? The Photo Gallery right here on this Forum has better Wiegman still frames of the Island than anything that you have posted thus far. This is really very simple. Examine the Real Deal. Examine the Wiegman Film itself.
Dear Comrade Storing,
I'm not talking about James' Lego Cars.
I'm talking about his excellent overlay of a frame from the Couch clip and a frame from the Weigman clip.
Have you seen it yet?
If so, do you think he's improperly aligned them with each other?
-- Tom
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EDIT: Oops, it looks as though I was wrong about the tire and hubcap on Storing's MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR in the Wiegman clip. I thought those two women I referred to were standing on the "island," but now I realize they were standing in the street near it, so the camera's perspective of the area visible between their lower legs isn't high enough to show a tire on a car parked next to the "island," much less its hubcap.
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This is Not complicated. Simply view a good copy of the Wiegman Film and the Darnell Film posted on You Tube by the Sixth Floor Museum. This Sixth Floor Museum Darnell Film copy is rumored to be a 1st generation copy. The "CAR" that Officer Baker runs past on the Darnell Film is NOT on the Wiegman Film. Bearing in mind that the Wiegman Film was shot roughly 25 seconds before the Darnell Film, that CAR was moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St. Why would a car be moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St? That car was a "getaway" car.
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This is not complicated. Simply view a good copy of the Wiegman film and the Darnell film posted on You Tube by the Sixth Floor Museum. This Sixth Floor Museum Darnell Film copy is rumored to be a 1st generation copy. The "car" that Officer Baker runs past on the Darnell film is not in the Wiegman film. Bearing in mind that the Wiegman film was shot roughly 25 seconds before the Darnell Film, that car was moving down the Elm Street Extension while the JFK limo was still on Elm Street. Why would a car be moving down Elm Street Extension while the JFK limo was still on Elm Street? That car was a "getaway" car.
Dear Comrade Storing,
When you overlay the frame from Couch-Darnell which best shows the car with its analog from Wiegman (as James has done), can you see the surface of the street between the ladies who are standing in the street near the tip of the "island"?
If not, isn't it possible that they're blocking our view of what you think in Couch-Darnell is The Mysto "Abandoned" Getaway Car?
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
When you overlay the frame from Couch-Darnell which best shows the car with its analog from Wiegman (as James has done), can you see the surface of the street between the ladies who are standing in the street near the tip of the "island"?
If not, isn't it possible that they're blocking our view of what you think in Couch-Darnell is The Mysto "Abandoned" Getaway Car?
-- Tom
Use the Traffic Light Pole as your Landmark. The car begins there and stretches BACK, (to the left) of the Traffic Light Pole. These ladies are standing to the (R) of the Traffic Light Pole. They are Not standing in front of the Car.
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Use the Traffic Light Pole as your Landmark. The car begins there and stretches BACK, (to the left) of the Traffic Light Pole. These ladies are standing to the (R) of the Traffic Light Pole. They are Not standing in front of the Car.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Look at your beloved Traffic Light Pole and the "No Parking Pole" to the right of it in James' nicely aligned overlay montage and ask yourself if they seem to be the same distance apart in both the Couch-Darnell frame and in the Wiegman frame.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=4597.40
Answer: Yes, they do. Close enough for government work, anyway. (Pardon the pun.)
Now, look at your MYSTO "ABANDONDED" GETAWAY CAR in the Couch-Darnell part of James' nicely aligned overlay montage and figure out where it should be in relation to the "No Parking Pole" in the Wiegman part of James' nicely aligned overlay montage IF IT (YOUR MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR) IS ALREADY THERE.
Wanna know why you can't see it in the Wiegman portion of James' nicely aligned overlay montage?
BECAUSE IT'S HIDDEN BY ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE STANDING EITHER IN THE STREET NEAR THE ISLAND OR ON THE ISLAND.
D'OH!
-- Tom
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You continue believing that the Signal Light Pole and the Car were on the tip of the Island. They were not. You need to familiarize yourself with the Island. Watch the Wiegman and Darnell Films. That is reality on 11/22/63. On the Darnell Film, as Officer Baker runs ACROSS/OVER the Island, the Signal Light Pole and the Car are on his LEFT.
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You continue believing that the Signal Light Pole and the Car were on the tip of the Island. They were not. You need to familiarize yourself with the Island. Watch the Wiegman and Darnell Films. That is reality on 11/22/63. On the Darnell Film, as Officer Baker runs ACROSS/OVER the Island, the Signal Light Pole and the Car are on his LEFT.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Scroll down to James Hackerott's nicely aligned "overlay montage" and look at it for a change.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html
-- Tom
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We can’t tell if the Darnell/Couch car at the traffic pole is or is not present in Wiegman. This is due to the fact that spectators block a clear view of where the car would be.
Schrödinger's "car"
(https://i.imgur.com/hkAPTuY.gif)
I'm bumping this post for Comrade Royell Storing.
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That is Not the best still frame. Also, the car extends from behind "Fedora Man" BACK toward the railroad yard. For whatever reason, you are erroneously focusing on the tip of the Island. The Signal Light Pole is NOT on the tip of the Island. Whether intentional or accidental, you've been misled.
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The car extends from behind "Fedora Man" back toward the railroad yard.
How do you know that?
Because there's a car parked "behind" the "Signal Light Pole" in the Robert Hughes clip"?
The Signal Light Pole is not on the tip of the Island. Whether intentional or accidental, you've been misled.
I don't give a flying you-know-what where exactly the "Signal Light Pole" was situated on the "Island," because for purposes of trying to figure out where your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR might be hiding in Wiegman is that Mr. Wiegman and Mr. Couch and Mr. Darnell filmed that part of Dealey Plaza from almost identical positions in the Houston Street-to Elm Street turn. That's why when James overlaid the Wiegman frame onto the Couch-Darnell frame and vice-versa, the "Freeway Signs Pole" and "Signal Light Pole" are so closely aligned in both frames and why there's so little difference in the frames between how the HUGE GATES and other architectural elements look in both frames, thereby making it easy to realize that your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR (the front of which is visible in Couch Darnell "to the right" of the "Signal Light Pole" as Officer Baker runs in front of it) may be hidden from Wiegman's (and our) view by the gaggle of people -- some of whom are standing in the street near the "island" (e.g., the woman who's wearing the black blouse or sweater and a white skirt), and others of whom are standing on the "Island," (e.g., "Fedora Man" and the people near him).
D'oh!!!
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Just look at the Darnell Film snippet showing Officer Baker running across the Island. (1) The front bumper of the "Getaway" car parked alongside the Island is on Baker's Immediate (L). (2) The Signal Light Pole atop the Island is also on Baker's Immediate (L). That Signal Light Pole tells you where the "Getaway" car was parked alongside the Island. This is not complicated. Just examine the Wiegman & Couch/Darnell Films.
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Just look at the Darnell Film snippet showing Officer Baker running across the Island. (1) The front bumper of the "Getaway" car parked alongside the Island is on Baker's Immediate (L). (2) The Signal Light Pole atop the Island is also on Baker's Immediate (L). That Signal Light Pole tells you where the "Getaway" car was parked alongside the Island. This is not complicated. Just examine the Wiegman & Couch/Darnell Films.
Do you believe that the montage that James created by overlaying the Couch-Darnell frame that best shows the front part of the MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR with a frame from Wiegman that puts all of the non-human elements (e.g., the "Freeway Signs Pole," the "Signal Light Pole," and the HUGE GATES, etc., etc.) in the same place as they are in the corresponding Couch-Darnell frame was improperly done, or that said montage can't be used to figure out where your MYSTO ABANDONDED GETAWAY CAR might be "hiding" behind the throng of people in Wiegman?
Scroll down to look at James montage for the first time. (LOL)
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html
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Do you believe that the montage that James created by overlaying the Couch-Darnell frame that best shows the front part of the MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR with a frame from Wiegman that puts all of the non-human elements (e.g., the "Freeway Signs Pole," the "Signal Light Pole," and the HUGE GATES, etc., etc.) in the same place as they are in the corresponding Couch-Darnell frame was improperly done, or that said montage can't be used to figure out where your MYSTO ABANDONDED GETAWAY CAR might be "hiding" behind the throng of people in Wiegman?
Scroll down to look at James montage for the first time. (LOL)
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html
With respect to the Wiegman still frame, what is that pointed object laying across the Island? It looks like an umbrella laying on its' side. It's at the feet of the women standing there. Let's start with this Wiegman Film object that you claim is in the "same place". What is it? This object is Not on my copy of the Wiegman Film. I am waiting for your explanation.
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How do you know that?
Because there's a car parked "behind" the "Signal Light Pole" in the Robert Hughes clip"?
I don't give a flying you-know-what where exactly the "Signal Light Pole" was situated on the "Island," because for purposes of trying to figure out where your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR might be hiding in Wiegman is that Mr. Wiegman and Mr. Couch and Mr. Darnell filmed that part of Dealey Plaza from almost identical positions in the Houston Street-to Elm Street turn. That's why when James overlaid the Wiegman frame onto the Couch-Darnell frame and vice-versa, the "Freeway Signs Pole" and "Signal Light Pole" are so closely aligned in both frames and why there's so little difference in the frames between how the HUGE GATES and other architectural elements look in both frames, thereby making it easy to realize that your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR (the front of which is visible in Couch Darnell "to the right" of the "Signal Light Pole" as Officer Baker runs in front of it) may be hidden from Wiegman's (and our) view by the gaggle of people -- some of whom are standing in the street near the "island" (e.g., the woman who's wearing the black blouse or sweater and a white skirt), and others of whom are standing on the "Island," (e.g., "Fedora Man" and the people near him).
D'oh!!!
Couch and Darnell did Not, "...filmed that part of Dealey Plaza from almost identical positions in the Houston St to Elm St turn. Couch filmed that corner from inside Camera Car #3. Darnell was in motion on the ground. You need to do the research to understand what you are looking at with respect to the Couch/Darnell Films. Your claims reflect your limited knowledge with respect to the Island, the Elm St Ext, and the Couch and Darnell films.
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Couch and Darnell did Not, "...filmed that part of Dealey Plaza from almost identical positions in the Houston St to Elm St turn. Couch filmed that corner from inside Camera Car #3. Darnell was in motion on the ground. You need to do the research to understand what you are looking at with respect to the Couch/Darnell Films. Your claims reflect your limited knowledge with respect to the Island, the Elm St Ext, and the Couch and Darnell films.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Okay.
Was it just a miracle, then, that the frames -- one from Darnell (or was it Couch?) and the other from Wiegman -- that James juxtaposed with each other in his overlay montage lined up so well, perspective-wise?
Or did the bad guys alter it (or . . . gasp . . . both of them) to make it only seem that way?
-- Tom
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I reviewed my findings over the weekend and my discovery stands. Stands tall. The car we see parked alongside the Island on the Darnell/Couch Films as Officer Baker runs across that same Island, is NOT on the Wiegman Film. This car within seconds would be parked alongside the Island. If that car is a Bel-air or even an a Impala, it extends BACK 17.5 feet from where we see it parked behind the Signal Light Pole on the Darnell, Couch, and Hughes films. 17.5 feet back toward the railroad yard is a great distance. Yet, there is Not a trace of this car on the Wiegman Film. Why is that? It's because at the time that Wiegman filmed the Island, this "getaway" car was traveling down the Elm St Ext. Traveling down the Elm St Ext at the very same time that the JFK Limo was still on Elm St. This car was parked with the intention of hanging a quick (R) hand turn onto Elm St and then mixing into traffic when it began flowing down that street once again. When Officer Smith and Officer Baker were running toward this car roughly 30 seconds after the Kill Shot, those inside the car got jumpy. They abandoned the car right there alongside the island. This is why we still see this car sitting in a "No Parking At Any Time" zone roughly 20 minutes following the kill shot.
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[The bad guys] abandoned the car right there alongside the island. This is why we still see this car sitting in a "No Parking At Any Time" zone roughly 20 minutes following the kill shot.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Are you sure that the car parked by the "No Parking"/ Traffic light pole in the Robert Hughes film about 45 minutes after the assassination is the same one that Officer Baker runs in front of in Couch/Darnell?
What make and model is the one in Couch/Darnell, anyway, and what make and model is the one in the Robert Hughes film?
Regardless, how do you know that your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR isn't hidden behind that gaggle of approximately twelve people standing on the "island" and in the street near it in the Wiegman clip?
have you looked at the overlay montage by James Hackerott, yet?
Here it is.
Just scroll down to it.
Hint: Use your computer's mouse to place the digital "arrow" on the car that Officer Baker's running in front of in Couch-Darnell and leave it ther as the images in James' overlay montage move from that Couch-Darnell frame and morph into the corresponding Wiegman frame that James incorporated in ti for you.
Look! The digital "arrow" is now exactly where the right terminus of that "gaggle" is!
In other words, that "gaggle of people" is perfectly situated to obscure the MYSTO ABANDONED GETAWAY CAR from Wiegman's camera's view!!!
And . . . gasp . . . the "gaggle" has so many people in it that it extends far enough to the left to hide the whole enchilada!!!
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
Are you sure that the car parked by the "No Parking"/ Traffic light pole in the Robert Hughes film about 30 minutes after the assassination is the same one that Officer Baker runs in front of in Couch/Darnell?
What make and model is the one in Couch/Darnell, anyway?
What make and model is the one in the Robert Hughes film?
Regardless, how do you know that your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR isn't hidden behind that gaggle of approximately twelve people standing on the "island" and in the street near it in the Wiegman clip?
-- Tom
Prove me wrong. That's all I ask. That "gaggle" you keep throwing out there is standing on the Island CORNER/End. That Signal Light Pole is roughly 15 feet down the Elm St Ext from the End of the Island/gaggle of people. And the car is parked BACK from the Signal Light Pole. This is why the Signal Light Pole is on Officer Baker's (L) as sprints across the Island. And the car then extends BACK down the Elm St Ext roughly 17.5 feet back from the Signal Light Pole. That "getaway" car is Not on the Wiegman Film. Why? Because it has Not yet reached this point on the Elm St Ext/along the Island. Prove me wrong.
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Prove me wrong. That's all I ask. That "gaggle" you keep throwing out there is standing on the Island CORNER/End. That Signal Light Pole is roughly 15 feet down the Elm St Ext from the End of the Island/gaggle of people. And the car is parked BACK from the Signal Light Pole. This is why the Signal Light Pole is on Officer Baker's (L) as sprints across the Island. And the car then extends BACK down the Elm St Ext roughly 17.5 feet back from the Signal Light Pole. That "getaway" car is Not on the Wiegman Film. Why? Because it has Not yet reached this point on the Elm St Ext/along the Island. Prove me wrong.
Dear Comrade Storing,
How do you know that the car by the "Signal Light" / "No Parking Pole" about 45 minutes after the assassination in the Robert Hughes clip is the same one that Officer Baker runs in front of in Couch-Darnell?
Regardless, the "gaggle of people" I've been referring to is comprised of about twelve people, some of whom are standing on the "island," and some of whom are standing in the street near said "island."
If you will finally take a quick look at James Hackerott's overlay montage, you'll see that a "gaggle," or group of approximately twelve close-together people, is right in front of where your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR must have been all along, thereby blocking our view of it in the Wiegman film.
Hint: Use your computer's mouse to place the digital "arrow" on the car that Officer Baker's running in front of in Couch-Darnell and leave it ther as the images in James' overlay montage move from that Couch-Darnell frame and morph into the corresponding Wiegman frame that James incorporated in ti for you.
Look! The digital "arrow" is now exactly where the right terminus of that "gaggle" is!
In other words, that "gaggle of people" is perfectly situated to obscure the MYSTO ABANDONED GETAWAY CAR from Wiegman's camera's view!!!
And . . . gasp . . . the "gaggle" has so many people in it that it extends far enough to the left to completely hide your stretch limo of a MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR!!!!!!!
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html
-- Tom
PS D'oh!
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As the viewer looks at the Wiegman Film, the car should be parked to the (L) of the Signal Light Pole. Hackrotte's "over lay" is focused on the (R) of that Signal Light Pole. The car being roughly 17.5 feet long, would stretch back to the (L) of Fedora Man. We see Nothing there on the Wiegman Film. Prove me wrong.
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As the viewer looks at the Wiegman Film, the car should be parked to the (L) of the Signal Light Pole. Hackrotte's "over lay" is focused on the (R) of that Signal Light Pole. The car being roughly 17.5 feet long, would stretch back to the (L) of Fedora Man. We see Nothing there on the Wiegman Film. Prove me wrong.
Dear Comrade Storing,
1) I don't have to prove you wrong. You're doing an excellent job of it all by yourself.
2) Do you think James Hackerott improperly spliced-together the two half-second-apart Wiegman frames and/or improperly aligned the finished product with the infamous Couch-Darnell frame (which shows the front part of the car that Officer Baker ran in front of) in his overlay montage?
If so, why then does the woman standing to the right of "Fedora man" have a whole body, why is the pole to the right of her a straight vertical line (and why is it the exact same distance, photographically speaking, from the right side of the HUGE GATES' dark entrance), and why do the architectural features of the TSBD so closely align in the two frames?
If not, why can't you realize that the densely packed group of people mostly to the right of that woman (but also including her and "Fedora Man" and maybe someone else to the left of her) is probably hiding your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR from Wiegman's camera's view?
3) Have you even looked at the overlay montage by James Hackerott, yet?
Here it is.
Just scroll down to it.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html
Hint: Use your computer's mouse to place the digital "arrow" on the car that Officer Baker's running in front of in Couch-Darnell and leave it there as the images in James' overlay montage morph from the Couch-Darnell into the corresponding Wiegman frame that James incorporated in it just for you.
Look! The digital "arrow" is now exactly where the right terminus of that "gaggle" is!
In other words, that "gaggle of people" is perfectly situated to obscure the MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR from Wiegman's camera's view!!!
And . . . gasp . . . the "gaggle" has so many people in it that it extends far enough to the left to hide the whole enchilada!!!
-- Tom
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You notice that Hackrotte has gone silent? He knows his overlay was focused on the Wrong section of the Island. Stretching OVER 17.5 Feet LEFT of the Signal Light Pole. A little under 5' tall. ALL of this completely missing from the Wiegman Film. ALL of it. By the way, I just found this same car, parked on the same spot, in the Martin Film. The mountain of New Evidence is only growing. Prove me wrong.
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You notice that Hackrotte has gone silent? He knows his overlay was focused on the Wrong section of the Island. Stretching OVER 17.5 Feet LEFT of the Signal Light Pole. A little under 5' tall. ALL of this completely missing from the Wiegman Film. ALL of it. By the way, I just found this same car, parked on the same spot, in the Martin Film. The mountain of New Evidence is only growing. Prove me wrong.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Here's a very simple question for you:
Is the car that Officer Baker runs directly in front of in Couch-Darnell the same one you think was abandoned there a few seconds earlier?
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
Here's a very simple question for you:
Is the car that Officer Baker runs directly in front of in Couch-Darnell the same one you think was abandoned there a few seconds earlier?
-- Tom
The Couch-Darnell Film snippet showing Officer Baker running directly in front of that car is the 1st/Earliest image documentation of the position of this "getaway" car. I do Not know what your definition of "abandoned" is? To me, if I can still see something, I have Not "abandoned" it. Not at that point.
Have you looked at the 1st generation copy of the Darnell Film posted on You Tube by the First Floor Museum? I just pulled another piece of Evidence off 1 frame from that Darnell Film copy. I never noticed this before, but that copy of the Darnell Film is far clearer than I have examined previously. Like I say, the mountain of evidence continues growing. You're getting buried. Prove me wrong.
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The Couch-Darnell Film snippet showing Officer Baker running directly in front of that car is the 1st/earliest image documentation of the position of this "getaway" car.
Good!
I do Not know what your definition of "abandoned" is? To me, if I can still see something, I have not "abandoned" it. Not at that point.
Are you stupid, or something?
I haven't accused you of abandoning a car next to the "island" on Elm Street Extension in Dallas, Texas, on 11/22/63.
When I say, "your mysto 'abandoned' getaway car," I'm referring to the car which Officer Baker can be seen running in front of in Couch-Darnell and which was hidden from Wiegman's camera about 20 seconds earlier behind the ten-or-eleven-person "gaggle" of spectators that stretched from the curving line of spectators in the street to "Fedora Man" on the "island."
In other words, "ROYELL STORING'S JFKA MYSTO 'ABANDONED' GETAWAY CAR."
-- Tom
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html
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Good!
Are you stupid, or something?
I haven't accused you of abandoning a car next to the "island" on Elm Street Extension in Dallas, Texas, on 11/22/63.
When I say, "your mysto 'abandoned' getaway car," I'm referring to the car which Officer Baker can be seen running in front of in Couch-Darnell and which was hidden from Wiegman's camera about 20 seconds earlier behind the ten-or-eleven-person "gaggle" of spectators that stretched from the curving line of spectators in the street to "Fedora Man" on the "island."
In other words, "ROYELL STORING'S JFKA MYSTO 'ABANDONED' GETAWAY CAR."
-- Tom
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html
You are revealing that you simply do Not understand the Correct position of the "escape" car parked alongside the Island. That cars' front bumper is BEHIND the Signal Light Pole. This 17.5' long car stretches BACK past the Fedora Man toward the railroad yard. The car does NOT END at Fedora Man. It stretches past Fedora Man down the Elm St Ext. This is why we do Not see the car on the Wiegman Film. It is NOT THERE yet. You need to examine the: (1) Darnell Film, (2) Couch Film, (3) Hughes Film, and (4) Martin Film. This same car is visible on all 4 Films in the very same spot alongside the Island.
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You are revealing that you simply do Not understand the Correct position of the "escape" car parked alongside the Island. That cars' front bumper is BEHIND the Signal Light Pole. This 17.5' long car stretches BACK past the Fedora Man toward the railroad yard. The car does NOT END at Fedora Man. It stretches past Fedora Man down the Elm St Ext. This is why we do Not see the car on the Wiegman Film. It is NOT THERE yet. You need to examine the: (1) Darnell Film, (2) Couch Film, (3) Hughes Film, and (4) Martin Film. This same car is visible on all 4 Films in the very same spot alongside the Island.
Dear Comrade Storing,
I "get it" that your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR was parked a little bit behind the "Signal Light Pole" / "No Parking Pole" in Hughes and Martin clips. I'm just saying that from the perspective of the Couch-Darnell and Wiegman films, the front of the very same car is visible to us to the right of the "Signal Light Pole" / "No Parking Pole," and that the reason we can't see it in the latter is because the gaggle of spectators is hiding it from view.
(If it's the same car that's in the National Geographic video, it's a 1958 Pontiac)
Question: Do you think the way James spliced together two half-second-apart Wiegman frames in his Couch-Darnell / Wiegman overlap montage was devious or misleading?
Ya gotta scroll down to it:
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html
-- Tom
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All you gotta do is find an image of that car being parked alongside the island before the JFK Limo entered Dealey Plaza. I continue with my blanket challenge, "Prove me wrong". That's never gonna happen. That car was not there before the JFK Limo came along.
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All you gotta do is find an image of that car being parked alongside the island before the JFK Limo entered Dealey Plaza. I continue with my blanket challenge, "Prove me wrong". That's never gonna happen. That car was not there before the JFK Limo came along.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Do you believe James' overlay montage was created in a devious, or perhaps unintentionally misinforming, way?
If so, what is it about his overlay montage that makes you believe that?
Hint: Ya gotta scroll down to it:
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html
-- Tom
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I choose to "believe" in real JFK Assassination Images. I do not believe in Man Made Overlays, Lego Car Visual Aids, etc. I believe in reality. As the REAL JFK Assassination Images become clearer, (like the recently released 1st Generation Copy of the 1st :40 seconds of the Darnell Film), the more Real Facts we have concerning this case. The car parked back from the corner, that DPD Cops Smith & Baker ran past only 25 seconds after the Kill Shot is a serious concern. The car is Not on the Wiegman Film, it IS on the Darnell/Couch Films 25 seconds later, and the car is still sitting there at least 20 minutes later. That car was abandoned after traveling down the Elm St Ext only seconds after the Kill Shot and then stopping back from the corner in a, "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone alongside the Island.
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I choose to "believe" in real JFK Assassination Images. I do not believe in Man Made Overlays, Lego Car Visual Aids, etc. I believe in reality. As the REAL JFK Assassination Images become clearer, (like the recently released 1st Generation Copy of the 1st :40 seconds of the Darnell Film), the more Real Facts we have concerning this case. The car parked back from the corner, that DPD Cops Smith & Baker ran past only 25 seconds after the Kill Shot is a serious concern. The car is Not on the Wiegman Film, it IS on the Darnell/Couch Films 25 seconds later, and the car is still sitting there at least 20 minutes later. That car was abandoned after traveling down the Elm St Ext only seconds after the Kill Shot and then stopping back from the corner in a, "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone alongside the Island.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Read my lips:
The reason your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR can't be seen in Wiegman is probably because it was hidden from his camera's view by ten or eleven people who were standing virtually shoulder-to-shoulder in the street and on the "island."
Questions:
How many seconds do you figure elapsed between the primary Wiegman frame and the Darnell frame that comprise James' overlay montage?
How long did it take your two bad guys to get back to the car after their shot (or shots) and drive it to where they parked it?
Did they hide the rifle in "the bushes," throw it in the back seat, put it in the trunk, or take it with them as they walked and ran towards the railway yard/parking lot in Couch-Darnell?
Was the engine already running, or did they have to start it?
Since, according to your scenario, they abandoned THE MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR right behind the traffic signal / "No Parking" pole while there were a lot of people in that area, how did they manage to park it without hitting anyone?
Why didn't any of them report that very strange (timing-wise, and in a "no parking" zone, at that!!!) parking to the police?
Why did the "Lovelady" bad guy figure start running in Couch-Darnell, anyway?
Did he see an open boxcar in the railway yard and want to jump in it before it pulled away?
Was he trying to hail a taxi?
Would the "Shelley" bad guy figure have run, too, if he hadn't been carrying that gosh darned rifle?
Did any of "Shooter In The Bushes" shots hit JFK?
If so, why didn't it blow out the left side of his brain?
LOL!
-- Tom
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Just Prove Me Wrong. That's all you gotta do. 1 single image of that car parked alongside the Island BEFORE the Wiegman Film Footage of the Island would do that. But as I learned in Religion Class, "from nothing, nothing comes". That car was NOT THERE Before and During the Wiegman Filming of the Island/Fedora Man.
Just how do you believe a possible shooter and maybe a spotter would plan on escaping from the 6th Floor of the TSBD/Dealey Plaza? Hint - They definitely would Not plan on using the TSBD FRONT door.
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Just Prove Me Wrong. That's all you gotta do. 1 single image of that car parked alongside the Island BEFORE the Wiegman Film Footage of the Island would do that. But as I learned in Religion Class, "from nothing, nothing comes". That car was NOT THERE Before and During the Wiegman Filming of the Island/Fedora Man. Just how do you believe a possible shooter and maybe a spotter would plan on escaping from the 6th Floor of the TSBD/Dealey Plaza? Hint - They definitely would Not plan on using the TSBD FRONT door.
Dear Comrade Storing,
When are you going to get around to answering my questions?
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
When are you going to get around to answering my questions?
-- Tom
All you gotta do is say "Uncle". Oh yeah, I almost forgot. My research of the Elm St Ext remains ongoing. I just uncovered another piece to this puzzle. The Elm St Ext remains JFK Assassination virgin ground. It has been foolishly ignored for 61+ years.
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My research of the Elm Street Extension remains ongoing. I just uncovered another piece to this puzzle. The Elm St Ext remains JFK Assassination virgin ground. It has been foolishly ignored for 61+ years.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Are you going to give any of your Nobel Prize winnings to The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx")?
-- Tom
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When you have been forced to simply disappear a 17.5' X 4' car, it's obvious that you need to buy a couple of vowels. Just say, "Uncle" and I'll help you out.
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When you have been forced to simply disappear a 17.5' X 4' car, it's obvious that you need to buy a couple of vowels. Just say, "Uncle" and I'll help you out.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Was it parked at a slight angle to Darnell's and Couch's cameras, thereby "shortening it" not only in their frames but in Wiegman's as well?
D'oh!
-- Tom
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When you have been forced to simply disappear a 17.5' X 4' car, it's obvious that you need to buy a couple of vowels. Just say, "Uncle" and I'll help you out.
Dear Comrade Storing,
It's easy to not see a 17.5 foot-long, 5-foot-tall 1958 Pontiac Bonneville when you're photographing it from 40 feet away and there are oodles and gobs of people standing shoulder-to-shoulder in front of it.
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Dear Comrade Storing,
It's easy to not see a 17.5 foot-long, 5-foot-tall 1958 Pontiac Bonneville when you're photographing it from 40 feet away and there are oodles and gobs of people standing shoulder-to-shoulder in front of it.
"... oodles and gobs of people...". Please quantify this. Specifically how many people are you talking about? We can see between the people close to the Fedora Man. Both on his (R) and (L). We can see the street surface of the Elm St Ext. behind these people. There is NO Car There. There are several frames on the Wiegman Film clearly displaying this on both sides of Fedora Man. I believe a lot of your faulty observations/opinions are due to your examining an inferior Wiegman Film Copy. What is your Wiegman Film source? What are the specs of the screen you are viewing it on? There is validity to the expression, "Garbage in, Garbage out".
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"... oodles and gobs of people...". Please quantify this. Specifically how many people are you talking about? We can see between the people close to the Fedora Man. Both on his (R) and (L). We can see the street surface of the Elm St Ext. behind these people. There is NO Car There. There are several frames on the Wiegman Film clearly displaying this on both sides of Fedora Man. I believe a lot of your faulty observations/opinions are due to your examining an inferior Wiegman Film Copy. What is your Wiegman Film source? What are the specs of the screen you are viewing it on? There is validity to the expression, "Garbage in, Garbage out".
Dear Comrade Storing,
To answer your question, there are ten or eleven people (who are, btw, about 20% smaller in Darnell than they are in Wiegman), standing shoulder-to-shoulder in front of your MYSTO "ABANDONED" 1958 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE GETAWAY CAR . . . gasp . . . on both the right and the left sides of the traffic light pole.
In addition to the fact that your MYSTO "ABANDONED" 1958 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE GETAWAY CAR is parked at a size-diminishing angle in Darnell, it is, just like the people standing in front of it, about 20% smaller in Darnell that it would be in Wiegman if they weren't standing shoulder-to-shoulder in front of it.
Hint: Ya gotta scroll down to it.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html
-- Tom
PS At the 08:57 mark in the National Geographic Video, "Manhunt: The Search for JFK's Killer," as your MYSTO "ABANDONED" 1958 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE GETAWAY CAR is virtually surrounded by policemen, I mean cops, one can see that not only is the driver's side window all the way down, but there's a man sitting behind the wheel.
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There is NO ONE standing "shoulder-to-shoulder" on the (L) of Fedora Man. The car in question would extend beyond the (L) of Fedora Man. We would see a portion of this car on Fedora Man's (L). We do NOT see this car at any point, on a single frame of the Wiegman Film. The claims you are making defy what we see on the Wiegman Film.
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There is no one standing "shoulder-to-shoulder" to the left of Fedora Man.
Dear Comrade Storing,
I didn't say there was.
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
I didn't say there was.
-- Tom
So why are we Not Seeing a car to the (L) of Fedora Man on the Wiegman Film? We can see the other side of the street. And remember that the Signal Light Pole is roughly 15 feet BACK from the end of the Island. This is roughly where the front bumper of the car sits. There is no car along the Island on the Wiegman Film
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Why are we not seeing a car to the left of Fedora Man in the Wiegman film?
We would be able to see your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR in the Wiegman film if all those people weren't standing in front of it.
-- Tom
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We would be able to see your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR in the Wiegman film if all those people weren't standing in front of it.
-- Tom
You talk like the Wiegman Images of the Island are snap shots, or slides. The Wiegman FILM is a Moving Picture. The angles of the Island as FILMED by Wiegman are constantly changing. Yet, there is Not 1 single frame showing even a trace of this 17.5' Long "getaway" car. The car is not there when the Island was filmed by Wiegman. My blanket challenge stands. "Prove Me Wrong"!
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You talk like the Wiegman images of the Island are snap shots, or slides. The Wiegman film is a moving. The angles of the Island as filmed by Wiegman are constantly changing. Yet, there isn't one single frame showing even a trace of this 17.5' Long "getaway" car. [...]
Dear Comrade Storing,
It's there, but you can't see it due to blur and the fact that spectators are standing between it and Wiegman.
Question:
When the bad guy (and getaway car abandoner!) shot at JFK "from the bushes" and missed everything, did he blame himself, or his "spotter"?
(LOL)
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
It's there, but you can't see it due to blur and the fact that spectators are standing between it and Wiegman.
Question:
When the bad guy (and getaway car abandoner!) shot at JFK "from the bushes" and missed everything, did he blame himself, or his "spotter"?
(LOL)
-- Tom
So I am supposed to just take your word for it that the car is there? You do not have a single image, or even an eyewitness claiming they saw that car parked alongside the Island prior to the JFK Limo coming into Dealey Plaza. This is where you are at. You have absolutely nothing. I have the Wiegman Film from differing angles showing NO CAR parked alongside the Island near the corner. My blanket challenge stands. "PROVE me wrong!".
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So, I am supposed to just take your word for it that the car is there? You do not have a single image, or even an eyewitness claiming they saw that car parked alongside the Island prior to the JFK Limo coming into Dealey Plaza. This is where you are at. You have absolutely nothing. I have the Wiegman Film from differing angles showing no car parked alongside the Island near the corner. My blanket challenge stands. "Prove me wrong!".
Dear Comrade Storing,
What I'd like to know is how your evil, evil "in-the-bushes" sniper and spotter managed to miss EVERYTHING, as indicated by the fact that only the right side of JFK's brain was blown out.
Oh yeah, and why no one reported seeing them running to your MYSTO, SOON-TO-BE "ABANDONED" PONTIAC BONNEVILLE GETAWAY CAR with the rifle immediately after the final shot (did they dump it in "the bushes"?), how they managed to get the car started so quickly (was the engine already running?), how they managed to NOT hit any of the spectators while they were hauling you-know-what down Elm Street Extension and parking your MYSTO "ABANDONED" POCTIAC BONNEVILLE GETAWAY CAR so nice-and-neat (albeit illegally in a "no parking" zone), and why-oh-why did the one who was wearing a shirt and had a bald spot just like Billy Lovelady's started running towards the railway yard / parking lot a few seconds after he and his evil-evil buddy had abandoned your MYSTO "ABANDONED" PONTIAC BONNEVILLE GETAWAY CAR?
Was he trying to attract attention to himself?
Gasp . . . was he hailing a taxicab?
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
What I'd like to know is how your evil, evil "in-the-bushes" sniper and spotter managed to miss EVERYTHING, as indicated by the fact that only the right side of JFK's brain was blown out.
Oh yeah, and why no one reported seeing them running to your MYSTO, SOON-TO-BE "ABANDONED" PONTIAC BONNEVILLE GETAWAY CAR with the rifle immediately after the final shot (did they dump it in "the bushes"?), how they managed to get the car started so quickly (was the engine already running?), how they managed to NOT hit any of the spectators while they were hauling you-know-what down Elm Street Extension and parking your MYSTO "ABANDONED" POCTIAC BONNEVILLE GETAWAY CAR so nice-and-neat (albeit illegally in a "no parking" zone), and why-oh-why did the one who was wearing a shirt and had a bald spot just like Billy Lovelady's started running towards the railway yard / parking lot a few seconds after he and his evil-evil buddy had abandoned your MYSTO "ABANDONED" PONTIAC BONNEVILLE GETAWAY CAR?
Was he trying to attract attention to himself?
Gasp . . . was he hailing a taxicab?
-- Tom
Blah, Blah, Blah. My Challenge Stands. "Prove Me Wrong!"
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Blah, Blah, Blah. My Challenge Stands. "Prove Me Wrong!"
Dear Comrade Storing.
Don't you have any of these "details" figured out, yet?
1) How your evil, evil "in-the-bushes" sniper and spotter managed to miss EVERYTHING, as indicated by the fact that only the right side of JFK's brain was blown out?
2) How it is that no one reported seeing them running with the rifle to your MYSTO, SOON-TO-BE "ABANDONED" PONTIAC BONNEVILLE GETAWAY CAR immediately after the final shot (did they dump it in "the bushes"?)
3) How they managed to get the car started so quickly (was the engine already running?)
4) How they avoided hitting any of the spectators as they were hauling you-know-what down Elm Street Extension and parking your MYSTO "ABANDONED" POCTIAC BONNEVILLE GETAWAY CAR so nice-and-neat (albeit illegally in a "no parking" zone)
5) Why-oh-why one of them
6) Why in the world did the bad guy who was wearing a shirt just like Billy Lovelady's and had a bald spot just like Billy Lovelady's start RUNNING towards the railway yard / parking lot a few seconds after he and his evil-evil buddy had abandoned your MYSTO "ABANDONED" PONTIAC BONNEVILLE GETAWAY CAR all nice-and-neat like not far from the tip of the "island"?
Was he trying to attract attention to himself?
Gasp . . . was he hailing a taxicab?
-- Tom
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I stand by the Wiegman Film. It shows there is No Car parked alongside the Island near the Signal Light Pole. You? You blabber, but offer No Evidence to refute my Wiegman Film find. This New Evidence is rock solid.
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I stand by the Wiegman film. It shows there is no car parked alongside the Island near the signal light pole. You offer no evidence to refute my Wiegman film find. This new evidence is rock solid.
Dear Comrade Storing,
What "Wiegman film find"?
What "new evidence"?
-- Tom
PS Why did the evil, evil CIA or [fill in the blank] send such a crummy sniper (HE MISSED EVERYTHING!) to kill JFK "from the bushes," and what did the crummy sniper and his crummy spotter do with the rifle afterwards -- hide it in "the bushes"?
LOL!
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Dear Comrade Storing,
What "Wiegman film find"?
What "new evidence"?
-- Tom
PS Why did the evil, evil CIA or [fill in the blank] send such a crummy sniper (HE MISSED EVERYTHING!) to kill JFK "from the bushes," and what did the crummy sniper and his crummy spotter do with the rifle afterwards -- hide it in "the bushes"?
LOL!
You continue running away from the Wiegman Film NOT SHOWING a 17.5' long CAR parked near the signal light post. To date, you have failed to meet my challenge and, "Prove Me Wrong". This Wiegman Film FACT has been hiding in plain sight for almost 62 yrs.
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You continue running away from the Wiegman film's not showing a 17.5' long car parked near the signal light post.
Dear Comrade Storing,
I've already addressed your tinfoil-hat assertion several times, but you have a JFKA CT agenda and you refuse to understand.
-- Tom
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\ To test the location of the car either parked along the south (or north) curb of the Elm Extension, as seen in the Wiegman film, I plotted Wiegman’s position with test south curb versus north curb cars on a DP map. The plot showed the north curb car about twice the distance from the camera compared to a south curb car. Then for equal sized cars the north curb car would appear about one half the size of the south curb car to Wiegman’s camera. I made a quick 3D view animation to demonstrate this and added a 5.5’ black suit man for comparison. It looks to me that the Wiegman car is nearer to the south curb. Note that I gave the test cars a steel-blue color (not white) for the 3D animation for modeling development use.
(https://i.imgur.com/Jjb9lS4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/27NzZBw.gif)
Look to the (L) of the Signal Light Pole. Where to the (L) of that Signal Light Pole, alongside the island, is there Any Trace of a 17.5' car? We can even clearly see the Surface of the Elm St Ext. There is NO CAR anywhere to the (L) of the Signal Light Pole, alongside the Island. NONE!
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Look to the left of the signal light pole [in Wiegman]. Where to the left of that signal light pole, alongside the island, is there any trace of a 17.5' car? We can even clearly see the Surface of the Elm Street Extension. There is no car anywhere to the left of the signal light pole [in Wiegman].
Dear Comrade Storing,
In Couch-Darnell, the right half of the car is to the right of the traffic light pole.
We can't see much, if any, of the car in Wiegman because it's parked at an angle in relation to the camera and because ten or eleven people are standing shoulder-to-shoulder in front of it.
D'oh!
-- Tom
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While recently watching “Hypnotic Eye”, a 1960 horror film I saw what looks like a possible fit for the Nat Geo “island” car. The 1959 Ford Fairlane Galaxy 500 has a body length of 17.5’. I’m not a car guy so more experienced car enthusiasts could have a better identification. Anyway, I modeled my highly acclaimed “Lego Car” with a 17.5’ length and positioned it in my 3D model using a Robert Hughes frame of the doorway that shows the nose of the car. When viewing from a Wiegman position it is obvious the 17.5’ length extends about 5-6’ to the west of the black suited man. This is what Royell has stated in his postings. I had to shorten the test car to just under 12’ length to completely mask it with the black suit guy.
Edit to change model from 1958 to 1959
(https://i.imgur.com/povcWs1.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ngS6RnE.png)
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While recently watching “Hypnotic Eye”, a 1960 horror film I saw what looks like a possible fit for the Nat Geo “island” car. The 1958 Ford Fairlane Galaxy 500 has a body length of 17.5’. I’m not a car guy so more experienced car enthusiasts could have a better identification. Anyway, I modeled my highly acclaimed “Lego Car” with a 17.5’ length and positioned it in my 3D model using a Robert Hughes frame of the doorway that shows the nose of the car. When viewing from a Wiegman position it is obvious the 17.5’ length extends about 5-6’ to the west of the black suited man. This is what Royell has stated in his postings. I had to shorten the test car to just under 12’ length to completely mask it with the black suit guy.
Is the light-colored surface behind "Fedora Man" in Wiegman the "island" or the street?
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Is the light-colored surface behind "Fedora Man" in Wiegman the "island" or the street?
It would be the concrete island.
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Dear Comrade Storing,
In Couch-Darnell, the right half of the car is to the right of the traffic light pole.
We can't see much, if any, of the car in Wiegman because it's parked at an angle in relation to the camera and because ten or eleven people are standing shoulder-to-shoulder in front of it.
D'oh!
-- Tom
The Hughes Film clearly shows the car parked BACK from the traffic light pole. This is why Officer Baker and that man running/jumping toward the traffic light pole do NOT Collide. There is open space. You have the position of this "getaway" car wrong. Your incorrect conclusions only snowball from that point forward.
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While recently watching “Hypnotic Eye”, a 1960 horror film I saw what looks like a possible fit for the Nat Geo “island” car. The 1958 Ford Fairlane Galaxy 500 has a body length of 17.5’. I’m not a car guy so more experienced car enthusiasts could have a better identification. Anyway, I modeled my highly acclaimed “Lego Car” with a 17.5’ length and positioned it in my 3D model using a Robert Hughes frame of the doorway that shows the nose of the car. When viewing from a Wiegman position it is obvious the 17.5’ length extends about 5-6’ to the west of the black suited man. This is what Royell has stated in his postings. I had to shorten the test car to just under 12’ length to completely mask it with the black suit guy.
(https://i.imgur.com/povcWs1.png)
I am very comfortable with this discovery. That car was NOT Parked alongside the Island when Wiegman filmed the Island from several different angles. And, during this Wiegman filming of the Island, the JFK Limo was still on Elm St. Why would a car be traveling down the Elm St Ext when the JFK Limo was still on Elm St? And why was this car then parked in a clearly posted, "NO PARKING At Any Time" Zone alongside the Island? This was a "getaway car". And this discovery of a "getaway car" reveals a Conspiracy.
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While recently watching “Hypnotic Eye”, a 1960 horror film I saw what looks like a possible fit for the Nat Geo “island” car. The 1959 Ford Fairlane Galaxy 500 has a body length of 17.5’. I’m not a car guy so more experienced car enthusiasts could have a better identification. Anyway, I modeled my highly acclaimed “Lego Car” with a 17.5’ length and positioned it in my 3D model using a Robert Hughes frame of the doorway that shows the nose of the car. When viewing from a Wiegman position it is obvious the 17.5’ length extends about 5-6’ to the west of the black suited man. This is what Royell has stated in his postings. I had to shorten the test car to just under 12’ length to completely mask it with the black suit guy.
Edit to change model from 1958 to 1959
(https://i.imgur.com/povcWs1.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ngS6RnE.png)
For the record, even the length of the compact VW Beetle and the Chevy Corvair exceed the 12' foot "masking" limitation mentioned above. There is NO CAR alongside the Island, back from the corner, on a single frame of the Wiegman Film. The car that we clearly see only seconds later on the Darnell and Couch Films is NOT THERE YET. This same car that is missing from the Wiegman Film is traveling down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo is still traveling down Elm St. This missing car is a "Getaway Car". This Getaway Car will STOP just back from the corner, (out of sight when looking up Elm St), waiting for traffic to once again begin flowing down Elm St. At that point, the plan is for this "Getaway Car" to simply mix into the traffic moving down Elm St.
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For the record, even the length of the compact VW Beetle and the Chevy Corvair exceed the 12' foot "masking" limitation mentioned above. There is no car alongside the Island, back from the corner, on a single frame of the Wiegman film. The car that we clearly see only seconds later on the Darnell and Couch films is not there yet. This same car that is missing from the Wiegman film is traveling down the Elm Street Extension while the JFK limo is still traveling down Elm Street. This missing car is a "Getaway Car". This Getaway Car will stop just back from the corner, (out of sight when looking up Elm Street), waiting for traffic to once again begin flowing down Elm Street. At that point, the plan is for this "Getaway Car" to simply mix into the traffic moving down Elm Street.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Why didn't the (crummy) sniper and spotter just stay in the car until the traffic thinned out a bit?
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
Why didn't the (crummy) sniper and spotter just stay in the car until the traffic thinned out a bit?
-- Tom
Just say "Uncle" and I will fill in the blanks for you. You notice that Hackerott now agrees that the Wiegman Film shows NO CAR parked alongside the Island, back from the corner? YOU were using Hackerott to carry your water on this issue. Now, he agrees with my "NO CAR" Discovery.
This "getaway car" scenario is Not complicated, and it does Prove a CONSPIRACY. This is ALL about simply accumulating Facts. Not solely searching for sniper's, or rifles, or gun smoke, etc. This myopic fixation explains how this "getaway car" was missed for almost 62 yrs.
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Just say "Uncle" and I will fill in the blanks for you. You notice that Hackerott now agrees that the Wiegman Film shows NO CAR parked alongside the Island, back from the corner? YOU were using Hackerott to carry your water on this issue. Now, he agrees with my "NO CAR" Discovery. This "getaway car" scenario is Not complicated, and it does Prove a CONSPIRACY. This is ALL about simply accumulating Facts. Not solely searching for sniper's, or rifles, or gun smoke, etc. This myopic fixation explains how this "getaway car" was missed for almost 62 yrs.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Are you going to share your Nobel Prize winnings with your hero, The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx")?
-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
Are you going to share your Nobel Prize winnings with your hero, The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx")?
-- Tom
A Conspiracy has now been proven. Waiting on your "Uncle".
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A conspiracy has now been proven.
How so, Comrade Storing?
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How so, Comrade Storing?
Just say "Uncle". Then I will lay it out for you.
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While recently watching “Hypnotic Eye”, a 1960 horror film I saw what looks like a possible fit for the Nat Geo “island” car. The 1959 Ford Fairlane Galaxy 500 has a body length of 17.5’. I’m not a car guy so more experienced car enthusiasts could have a better identification. Anyway, I modeled my highly acclaimed “Lego Car” with a 17.5’ length and positioned it in my 3D model using a Robert Hughes frame of the doorway that shows the nose of the car. When viewing from a Wiegman position it is obvious the 17.5’ length extends about 5-6’ to the west of the black suited man. This is what Royell has stated in his postings. I had to shorten the test car to just under 12’ length to completely mask it with the black suit guy.
Edit to change model from 1958 to 1959
(https://i.imgur.com/povcWs1.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ngS6RnE.png)
Bump regarding 17.5 foot long "getaway car" NOT being on the Wiegman Film = Conspiracy.
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Dear Comrade Storing,
I believe the car that's parked next to the "island" in the Robert Hughes clip can seen at the 08:56 mark in the National Geographic video you told us about, and I believe it's the same car that Officer Baker ran in front of in Couch-Darnell while on his way to the TSBD entrance.
So much for "There was no car parked alongside the Island."
Suggestion: Why don't you get a graphics program, figure out how to use it, and mark the car you're referring to in all of the images you believe it appears it?
Truth is, you're such a crummy writer that at least half the time I have no you-know-what idea what you're talking about.
-- Tom
BUMP regarding 8:56 MARK showing a car on the Knoll side of the Elm St Ext. The driver's side, back seat window, somehow does Not permit seeing into the backseat area of the car. I remind you that this footage is from 1963. The tinting of windows was Not Done.
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Bump regarding 8:56 mark showing a car on the knoll side of the Elm Street Extension The driver's side, back seat window, somehow does not permit seeing into the backseat area of the car. I remind you that this pic is from 1963. The tinting of windows just was not done.
Wowie zowie, Comrade Storing!
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Wowie zowie, Comrade Storing!
It is FACT after FACT that proves we are Not looking at your run-of-the-mill 4 door sedan. What we are looking at is a newly discovered "getaway car". And of course, this proves a "Conspiracy" in the JFK Assassination
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It is FACT after FACT that proves we are Not looking at your run-of-the-mill 4 door sedan. What we are looking at is a newly discovered "getaway car." And of course, this proves a "Conspiracy" in the JFK Assassination
Dear Comrade Storing,
I've heard that a MAJOR PUBLISHER will very, VERY SOON be offering you BEAUCOUP BUCKS for your tinfoil-hat JFKA CONSPIRACY THEORY, and it's going to title your blockbuster bestseller, "The Evil, Evil, Evil HUGE GATES, the ABANDONED GETAWAY CAR and THE CRUMMY SNIPER AND HIS OR HER SPOTTER IN THE BUSHES"!!!
You should contact your buddies Vladimir Putin and The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx") NOW so they can start lobbying for you to win The Nobel Prize!
-- Tom
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Tom Alyea's view from the 7th floor.
(https://i.imgur.com/fjt3oIB.jpeg)
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Tom Alyea's view from the 7th floor.
(https://i.imgur.com/fjt3oIB.jpeg)
JAMES - Thanks for posting this still frame. Do you have a rough idea as to when this image was taken by Alyea?
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JAMES - Thanks for posting this still frame. Do you have a rough idea as to when this image was taken by Alyea?
Royell, I believe the time was close to 12:50-12:55 based on sun times derived from shadow analysis of the Jay Skaggs #14 slide and 3D modeling of the overhead traffic pole. As an aside-the crowd of people around the TSBD doorway were cleared by the police at 12:53. We may see some of the "castaways" in this Alyea frame :).
(https://i.imgur.com/obcEb34.png)
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James - I do Not see Inspector Sawyer's car. It was parked alongside the TSBD with the back half of the car hanging across the TSBD front steps. That's the car that Euins, Brehm + Son, etc were loaded inside shortly after the assassination. Based on your timeline of the photo, means that Inspector Sawyer's car was gone/moved by 1 PM? Do you believe that is a correct timeline?
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James - I do Not see Inspector Sawyer's car. It was parked alongside the TSBD with the back half of the car hanging across the TSBD front steps. That's the car that Euins, Brehm + Son, etc were loaded inside shortly after the assassination. Based on your timeline of the photo, means that Inspector Sawyer's car was gone/moved by 1 PM? Do you believe that is a correct timeline?
Yes, I believe my time estimate is correct. Alyea, from his same location on the 7th floor, filmed Houston street's tall light pole fixture partially passing over the lane marker. My 3D simulation also shows this at about 12:50-12:55.
(https://i.imgur.com/r6WLd7s.png)
As far as Sawyers' car it does not show in my 3D simulation because it would not be visible to Alyea due, in part, to the wide ledge blocking his view. Same in my simulation. I know I had Sawyer's car (green here )placed in my rendering of the "island" overhead signal pole.
(https://i.imgur.com/tlxd9EQ.png)
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Tom Alyea's view from the 7th floor.
(https://i.imgur.com/fjt3oIB.jpeg)
Per Alyea, once he was inside the TSBD, he accompanied law enforcement as they "cleared" each floor in the search for an active shooter. This search was conducted Floor-by-floor going up. I would think this active shooter "search" would take more than 30 minutes/1PM to eventually arrive at the 7th Floor where Alyea shot this 7th Floor view. But even if this still frame was captured at 1PM, there sits what I believe was an intended "getaway" car. Alyea filmed this car: (1) at least 30 minutes after the kill shot, (2) abandoned in a posted, "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone, and (3) sitting there in the face of traffic flowing down Elm St since 12:39. This car stands out like a sore thumb.
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Even if this still [Alyea] frame was captured at 1PM, there sits what I believe was an intended "getaway" car.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Why do you always put "scare quotes" around the phrase getaway car?
-- Tom
The car stands out like a sore thumb.
Dear Comrade Storing,
Maybe that's why there are so many policemen I mean cops standing around it in the National Geographic video.
They were probably discussing which towing company they should call to tow the unfortunate person's car away, or how big of a ticket they should write him or her for parking in a no-parking zone during a presidential motorcade, even if he or she was a late arriver who stopped there to get a good view of it.
-- Tom
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Tom Alyea's view from the 7th floor.
(https://i.imgur.com/fjt3oIB.jpeg)
If this "getaway" car had been towed away, there would have been a paper trail attached to it. If it had been given a ticket, that too would have generated a paper trail.
There are still frames showing the entire front license plate of this car. Whether technology today can reveal the letters/numbers on that plate, I don't know. What I do know is that there is No Legitimate Reason for: (1) that car to be rolling down the Elm St Extension while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St, (2) parking the car in front of the TSBD, (3) in a clearly marked "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone, and (4) only to then abandon the car. This was a "getaway" car that was to be used by the 6th Floor shooter.
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Tom Alyea's view from the 7th floor.
(https://i.imgur.com/fjt3oIB.jpeg)
BUMP
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Sorry. These graphics might help. The graphic of the tree is an anaglyph, 3D if you can find a pair of the Red/Cyan glasses. Cheap on Amazon :)
(https://i.imgur.com/msg8qHD.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NkqiFpM.jpeg)
BUMP- No car being parked along the Island on the Wiegman Film. (Top still frame)
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Tom Alyea's view from the 7th floor.
(https://i.imgur.com/fjt3oIB.jpeg)
I just discovered another Image that time stamps the above car, parked in the same, "NO PARKING At Any Time" Zone, 2+ Hours After the Kill Shot. This same car is NOT on the Wiegman Film parked alongside the Island. This same car IS on the Darnell/Couch Films parked alongside the Island. There is roughly 20 seconds between the Wiegman Film NOT showing the car, and the Darnell/Couch films capturing the car parked alongside the Island. That means this car was traveling down the Elm St Extension during the 20 second interval between the Wiegman footage showing NO Car, and the Darnell/Couch footage capturing the Car parked alongside the Island only feet away from the TSBD. Why would anyone: (1) Drive a car down the Elm St Extension at the same time the JFK Limo was under fire, (2) Park the car in a, "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone just outside of the TSBD, and (3) leave the car parked in this "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone for 2+ Hours after the kill shot? Answer? This car is a "Getaway" Car. This planned "getaway" car was quickly abandoned when DPD Officer Smith, and DPD Motorcycle Officer Baker ran directly at it, and by it, only 20-30 seconds after the Kill Shot. This "getaway" car was within mere feet of the "Wide Open" Huge Gates which permitted quick and clandestine access/exit of the TSBD. This abandoned "getaway" car was initially waiting on the TSBD 6th Floor Shooter.
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I just discovered another Image that time stamps the above car, parked in the same, "NO PARKING At Any Time" Zone, 2+ Hours After the Kill Shot. This same car is NOT on the Wiegman Film parked alongside the Island. This same car IS on the Darnell/Couch Films parked alongside the Island. There is roughly 20 seconds between the Wiegman Film NOT showing the car, and the Darnell/Couch films capturing the car parked alongside the Island. That means this car was traveling down the Elm St Extension during the 20 second interval between the Wiegman footage showing NO Car, and the Darnell/Couch footage capturing the Car parked alongside the Island only feet away from the TSBD. Why would anyone: (1) Drive a car down the Elm St Extension at the same time the JFK Limo was under fire, (2) Park the car in a, "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone just outside of the TSBD, and (3) leave the car parked in this "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone for 2+ Hours after the kill shot? Answer? This car is a "Getaway" Car. This planned "getaway" car was quickly abandoned when DPD Officer Smith, and DPD Motorcycle Officer Baker ran directly at it, and by it, only 20-30 seconds after the Kill Shot. This "getaway" car was within mere feet of the "Wide Open" Huge Gates which permitted quick and clandestine access/exit of the TSBD. This abandoned "getaway" car was initially waiting on the TSBD 6th Floor Shooter.
BroKen recoRd, BroKen recoRd, BroKen recoRd, BroKen recoRd, BroKen recoRd . . . . . . . .
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The car was always there but the ladies in front are blocking most of it.
The first image below is from the above photo gallery and you can see some of the car next to the lady with the folded arms and you can see the roof a little bit to her right.
I believe the car to our left is directly in front of this car and as can be seen the perspective angle relatively shortens the length and when approximately sized, fits well within the block of obscuring ladies.
(https://i.postimg.cc/VNvfSbDc/pdvd-671-small-royell-b.jpg)
Royell's Car on the extreme left and a car directly behind, shows that the car in the above image was behind Royell's car.
(https://i.postimg.cc/fTMv0xS1/car-and-car-behind-next-to-island.jpg)
In this Couch frame, the end of the car is a good match compared to the folded arm lady and the roof section as compared to the ladies in Wiegman is a similar height.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FsC0d0xm/Capturbe.jpg)
JohnM
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I don’t think that is a taillight on a car near the gates. It is probably related to the Live Oak Tree shadow filling the area between the black suit man and the woman to his right. Such as shadow would be coming from the lower portion of the crown and on the south side (from modeling). The tree was not giving shade to the proposed car near the gates (north side of the Extension).
(https://i.imgur.com/JRIimm8.jpeg)
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Hi James, I dug out my 3D glasses and the amount of depth and the sense of presence in your composite is really cool.
JohnM
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The car was always there but the ladies in front are blocking most of it.
The first image below is from the above photo gallery and you can see some of the car next to the lady with the folded arms and you can see the roof a little bit to her right.
I believe the car to our left is directly in front of this car and as can be seen the perspective angle relatively shortens the length and when approximately sized, fits well within the block of obscuring ladies.
(https://i.postimg.cc/VNvfSbDc/pdvd-671-small-royell-b.jpg)
If you're referring to two cars that are parked next to the "island" and which are facing the correct (i.e., legal) direction, your statement, "I believe the car to our left is directly in front of this car" makes no sense.
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If you're referring to two cars that are parked next to the "island" and which are facing the correct (i.e., legal) direction, your statement, "I believe the car to our left is directly in front of this car" makes no sense.
Yeah whatever, you people drive on the wrong side of the road.
Anyway, you edited my post and omitted the 2nd image in which I clarified the direction and location of the cars.
JohnM
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Yeah whatever, you people drive on the wrong side of the road.
Anyway, you edited my post and omitted the 2nd image in which I clarified the direction and location of the cars.
JohnM
This car.
That car.
This car.
That car.
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This car.
That car.
This car.
That car.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/02/17/710217264da49b28e4a565c1127307ae.gif)
JohnM
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/02/17/710217264da49b28e4a565c1127307ae.gif)
JohnM
Wow, you're really bound and determined aren't you.
(British inflection)
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The car was always there but the ladies in front are blocking most of it.
The first image below is from the above photo gallery and you can see some of the car next to the lady with the folded arms and you can see the roof a little bit to her right.
I believe the car to our left is directly in front of this car and as can be seen the perspective angle relatively shortens the length and when approximately sized, fits well within the block of obscuring ladies.
(https://i.postimg.cc/VNvfSbDc/pdvd-671-small-royell-b.jpg)
Royell's Car on the extreme left and a car directly behind, shows that the car in the above image was behind Royell's car.
(https://i.postimg.cc/fTMv0xS1/car-and-car-behind-next-to-island.jpg)
In this Couch frame, the end of the car is a good match compared to the folded arm lady and the roof section as compared to the ladies in Wiegman is a similar height.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FsC0d0xm/Capturbe.jpg)
JohnM
If you look closely at the 2nd image from the top, you will see that the back seat (L) passenger door window of this "getaway" car has been obscured. From the outside, you can Not see into the car/back seat area of this "Getaway" Car through that (L) back seat window.
Immediately following the shooting, a 6th Floor shooter would have walked down the stairwell to the 1st floor, walked through the "wide open" Huge Gates, walked across the Elm St Extension, and then immediately climbed into this "getaway" car parked alongside the Island. The obscured (L) passenger window of this car, would have prevented law enforcement or anyone else from seeing a possible shooter seated in the back seat. Obscuring the view into that car, may be indicative of the shooter having a skin color that would have attracted attention at a glance.
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The car was always there but the ladies in front are blocking most of it.
The first image below is from the above photo gallery and you can see some of the car next to the lady with the folded arms and you can see the roof a little bit to her right.
I believe the car to our left is directly in front of this car and as can be seen the perspective angle relatively shortens the length and when approximately sized, fits well within the block of obscuring ladies.
(https://i.postimg.cc/VNvfSbDc/pdvd-671-small-royell-b.jpg)
Royell's Car on the extreme left and a car directly behind, shows that the car in the above image was behind Royell's car.
(https://i.postimg.cc/fTMv0xS1/car-and-car-behind-next-to-island.jpg)
In this Couch frame, the end of the car is a good match compared to the folded arm lady and the roof section as compared to the ladies in Wiegman is a similar height.
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JohnM
Those ladies you reference are standing on the WRONG SIDE of the signal light pole. The 17.5' long car was parked Behind that signal light pole. I now have image evidence of this same car still being parked in that,"NO PARKING At Any Time" zone, AFTER law enforcement had completely cleared Dealey Plaza. The tick-tock on this parked car now stands at 3+ hours after the kill shot. This being the same car, parked alongside the Island, behind the signal light pole. That car was an abandoned "getaway" car.
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Dear Comrade Storing,
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-- Tom
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Dear Comrade Storing,
You're famous!
Comrade Putin sends his congratulations!
-- Tom
That "getaway" car just sat in that, "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone for at least 3+ Hours. This 3+ hours includes the time period when Dealey Plaza was cleared out for the CSI work. The "getaway" car and Inspector Sawyer's car were the only vehicles there in front of the TSBD during this point in time. Nobody was even standing on the steps or the landing in front of the TSBD front door. That place was an absolute Ghost Town. But that "getaway" car remained right there.