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Title: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Royell Storing on October 15, 2025, 07:47:36 PM
    This forum recently had extended discussion surrounding the Lovelady/Shelley ID of 2 individuals on the Couch/Darnell Films. Also included in this same film snippet we see DPD Officer Smith running down the Elm St Ext toward the railroad yard, and DPD Motorcycle Officer Baker running toward/across the "Island".  But we also see a Car. This Car is parked alongside that same island that we see Officer Baker running across. In fact, Baker is almost close enough to reach out and touch that car. Couch and Darnell were riding inside Camera Car #3. Dave Wiegman was riding inside Camera Car #1 when he filmed this same "island" as his car turned from Houston St onto Elm St. Roughly 10 seconds earlier. What did the Wiegman Film show of this same car parked alongside the "island"? NOTHING! There is no car parked alongside the island on the Wiegman Film. This snippet of the Wiegman film shows people standing atop/in front of the island, but directly behind them where this car should be parked is nothing but the surface of the Elm St Ext. So why is this car not on the Wiegman Film vs roughly 10 seconds later it is filmed by Couch/Darnell parked alongside side the island? Obviously, this car was moving down the Elm St Ext toward the corner of Houston/Elm St. during the filming of this Weigman film snippet showing the island. Question is, why was this car in motion down the Elm St Ext. when the JFK Limo was still on Elm St, still inside Dealey Plaza?
   15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot, the Hughes Film shows the front steps of the TSBD. This Hughes Film snippet also shows a car parked alongside the island. This could be the very same car. Why would anyone drive a car down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St, park alongside the island, and then desert the car for at least 15-20 minutes following the kill shot?
   We see DPD Officer Smith running down the Elm St Ext checking the bushes on the Couch/Darnell Films. Officer Smith gave WC Testimony that he checked those bushes because a hysterical lady told him they were shooting the president through "the bushes". Bill Newman filed an Affidavit saying, "I thought the shot had come from the "The Garden" directly  behind me..........".  Mal Couch returned on foot to the TSBD roughly 90 seconds after the Kill Shot. Couch gave WC Testimony that when he arrived at the TSBD, "All of those policemen had their pistols pulled. And people were pointing back around "Those Shrubs". I believe that, "the bushes", "the garden" and "those shrubs", is differing descriptions of that stretch of foliage that runs down the Elm St Ext across from the TSBD. 
   I believe that car in question was originally parked alongside, "the bushes/the garden/the shrubs" along the Elm St Ext. I believe that a shooter riding in that car fired a shot(s) through that foliage. He probably used the car to provide additional elevation for the shot(s). This shot(s) missed and account for reports of bullets furrowing into the South Elm St grass, as well as the intense law enforcement scrutiny of the man hole cover area along the (S) Elm St curb. It is also possible that a missed shot from this bushes area is responsible for the curb strike/Tague cheek injury. This weapon was then placed inside the car trunk. The car was moved forward and parked alongside the island on the corner of Elm/Houston in order to permit a quick turn onto Elm St and the exiting of Dealey Plaza. Those inside that parked car alongside the island, then watched DPD Officer Smith running directly toward them as he ran toward the bushes. They also would see DPD Motorcycle Officer Baker making that turn from Houston onto Elm St and then pulling his motorcycle to the curb only feet below them. With a just fired gun in the trunk of their car, and cops all around them, and realizing they would not be able to immediately drive that car away, they quickly vacated the vehicle. Those that exited this car are the same 2 guys we see on the Couch/Darnell Films moving down the Elm St Ext. They both are directly behind Officer Smith and both have their Backs facing Officer Baker. Neither Officer Smith or Officer Baker can see these 2 guys or their faces. 
   I believe this car was retrieved once it was safe to do so. There are a few frames on the Sixth Floor Museum's recent posting of the Darnell Film that do show the front license plate of this car. There is a different color stretching horizontally across the mid point of the license plate. This is exactly where letters/numbers would be. Also, on the Hughes Film snippet showing a car parked alongside the island 15-20 minutes after the assassination, there is, "No Parking At Any Time" signage posted above the car on a signal light pole. It's possible that a DPD Cop issued this car a ticket. This might be traceable.   
         
   
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Tom Graves on October 15, 2025, 08:38:32 PM
There is a car is parked alongside that same island that we see Officer Baker running across. In fact, Baker is almost close enough to reach out and touch it. Couch and Darnell were riding inside Camera Car #3. Dave Wiegman was riding inside Camera Car #1 when he filmed this same "island" as his car turned from Houston St onto Elm St. Roughly ten seconds earlier. What did the Wiegman Film show of this same car parked alongside the "island"? NOTHING! There is no car parked alongside the island on the Wiegman Film.

Dear Comrade Storing,

If you'll go to the 40 second mark of this frame-by-frame slow motion clip of the Wiegman film and watch it through the 53 second mark, I think you'll see the passenger-side headlight, the distinctive "grill" area and part of the front-left panel of the car you're referring to.


-- Tom
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Royell Storing on October 15, 2025, 09:36:55 PM
Dear Comrade Storing,

If you'll go to the 40 second mark of this frame-by-frame slow motion clip of the Wiegman film and watch it through the 53 second mark, I think you'll see the passenger-side headlight, the distinctive "grill" area and part of the front-left panel of the car you're referring to.


-- Tom

   I am not sure what you are looking at. Maybe what you are looking at is a car/cars parked on the opposite side of the Elm St Ext and FACING the railroad yard? The car I am referencing is pointed in the wrong direction to permit seeing, "....the front-left panel....".  Based on what I see above, I am examining a better copy of the Wiegman Film than you have posted. The Wiegman Film I use is from, "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" (2003) DVD. This JFK Assassination presentation was hosted by Gary Mack. All of the JFK Assassination images that were included in this are extremely detailed. Based on the detail of these JFK Assassination images, I believe that Gary Mack supplied many of them from the Sixth Floor Museum. I am viewing this Wiegman Film on a 55" Vizio 4K Monitor. Everything being relative, this copy of the Wiegman Film is the best I personally have viewed. I frequently view various You Tube JFK Assassination presentations. Viewing images on You Tube is not equivalent to watching it directly from a DVD onto a Large Screen 4K Monitor.
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Tom Graves on October 15, 2025, 10:40:45 PM
I am not sure what you are looking at.

1) Go to the 52 second mark.

2) Pause the video.

3) Look at the driver's side front window of the Chevy in the foreground.

4) See the long white thing that's horizontal to the ground and jutting out to the left from that Chevy's driver's side front window area?

5) What do you think it is?

6) If you don't know, go back to the 40 second mark and watch that area to the 53 second mark as many times as you need to finally "see it."

7) Hint: You can see the car's grill area and the passenger-side headlight at the 42 second mark.
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Royell Storing on October 15, 2025, 11:16:38 PM
  Like I said, there are cars parked on the other side of the Elm St Ext. This is what you are seeing. These vehicles are near the Huge Gates. At least 1 of these cars on that side of the street is visible on the Martin Film snippet showing Amos Euins on the back of Sgt Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle. Use that traffic light pole with the pointed sign on it as your visual landmark. On the Couch/Darnell Films,  the Front of the car in question is parked from that traffic light pole BACK toward the railroad yard. On the Wiegman Film you posted, do you see a parked car from that traffic light pole Back toward the railroad yard? Look between the people standing on the Island. All you see is the street surface directly behind them. This is because there is no car parked from the traffic light pole back toward the railroad yard at this point in time.   
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Tom Graves on October 16, 2025, 12:56:28 AM
  Like I said, there are cars parked on the other side of the Elm St Ext. This is what you are seeing. These vehicles are near the Huge Gates. At least 1 of these cars on that side of the street is visible on the Martin Film snippet showing Amos Euins on the back of Sgt Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle. Use that traffic light pole with the pointed sign on it as your visual landmark. On the Couch/Darnell Films,  the Front of the car in question is parked from that traffic light pole BACK toward the railroad yard. On the Wiegman Film you posted, do you see a parked car from that traffic light pole Back toward the railroad yard? Look between the people standing on the Island. All you see is the street surface directly behind them. This is because there is no car parked from the traffic light pole back toward the railroad yard at this point in time.   

Dear Comrade Storing,

Do you see the man in the general direction of your HUGE GATES who's wearing a suit and a fedora and has his arms crossed? (Some folks at the so-called Education Forum used to think he might be Roy Truly, but he isn't).

Good!

Go to the 40-second mark, pause the video, and look closely at him in the gap between the two camera cars and you'll see that he's standing on the tip of the "island" / "peninsula".

You can see that, right?

Good!

I MIGHT BE WRONG, but I believe just behind him and to his right is a car that I believe is parked legally, direction-wise, on the "island" side of Elm Street Extension, not the TSBD side.

Please let me know if you need any more assistance.

-- Tom
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Royell Storing on October 16, 2025, 06:50:07 AM
Dear Comrade Storing,

Do you see the man in the general direction of your HUGE GATES who's wearing a suit and a fedora and has his arms crossed? (Some folks at the so-called Education Forum used to think he might be Roy Truly, but he isn't).

Good!

Go to the 40-second mark, pause the video, and look closely at him in the gap between the two camera cars and you'll see that he's standing on the tip of the "island" / "peninsula".

You can see that, right?

Good!

I MIGHT BE WRONG, but I believe just behind him and to his right is a car that I believe is parked legally, direction-wise, on the "island" side of Elm Street Extension, not the TSBD side.

Please let me know if you need any more assistance.

-- Tom

   For starters, it is ILLEGAL to park alongside the Island. The Hughes Film shows a car parked in the same position alongside the Island about 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. Above that car is a sign attached to the Traffic Light Pole that reads, "No Parking at any time". Just look at the feet of the people standing on the Island. You can see the Street behind them. If there was a car directly behind them, you would Not be able to see the street. A car parked behind them would block the view of the street. What you are seeing is a car on the other side of the street. It is pointed toward the railroad yard. You are seeing the (L) rear fender/tail light/trunk of a car on the other side of the street, close to the Huge Gates.
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Tom Graves on October 16, 2025, 08:13:30 AM
Just look at the feet of the people standing on the "island." You can see the street behind them. If there was a car directly behind them, you would not be able to see the street.

I MIGHT BE WRONG but think what you assume is "the street visible between the legs of [some of] the people who are on the Island" is actually the Island, and the reason we can see "it" is because the car isn't parked on the Island, it's parked on the street right next to the Island.
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Royell Storing on October 16, 2025, 05:07:05 PM
I MIGHT BE WRONG but think what you assume is "the street visible between the legs of [some of] the people who are on the Island" is actually the Island, and the reason we can see "it" is because the car isn't parked on the Island, it's parked on the street right next to the Island.

   I am currently looking at the Wiegman Film from Gary Mack's "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" DVD. You previously mentioned the older guy wearing a Fedora standing atop the Island. To his (R) is a lady with a purse hanging from her (L) arm. There is open space between this Purse Lady and the Fedora Man. Through this open space I can clearly see all the way back to that car parked in front of the Huge Gates on the other side of the Elm St Ext. I can see the Top, rear window, (L) rear fender, (L) rear tail light, and the upper portion of the trunk lid of this car. My seeing this car would be blocked if a car was parked directly behind the Fedora Man and the Purse Lady alongside the island. Maybe your error is due to the inferior copy of the Wiegman Film that you are basing your conclusions on? The discovery of this car moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is a major find. The "Coupla Guys" walking away from that car on the Couch/Darnell Films is extremely suspicious. I believe they are attached to that car. 
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: James Hackerott on October 17, 2025, 04:00:14 PM
   I am currently looking at the Wiegman Film from Gary Mack's "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" DVD. You previously mentioned the older guy wearing a Fedora standing atop the Island. To his (R) is a lady with a purse hanging from her (L) arm. There is open space between this Purse Lady and the Fedora Man. Through this open space I can clearly see all the way back to that car parked in front of the Huge Gates on the other side of the Elm St Ext. I can see the Top, rear window, (L) rear fender, (L) rear tail light, and the upper portion of the trunk lid of this car. My seeing this car would be blocked if a car was parked directly behind the Fedora Man and the Purse Lady alongside the island. Maybe your error is due to the inferior copy of the Wiegman Film that you are basing your conclusions on? The discovery of this car moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is a major find. The "Coupla Guys" walking away from that car on the Couch/Darnell Films is extremely suspicious. I believe they are attached to that car.
\  To test the location of the car either parked along the south (or north) curb of the Elm Extension, as seen in the Wiegman film, I plotted Wiegman’s position with test south curb versus north curb cars on a DP map. The plot showed the north curb car about twice the distance from the camera compared to a south curb car. Then for equal sized cars the north curb car would appear about one half the size of the south curb car to Wiegman’s camera.  I made a quick 3D view animation to demonstrate this and added a 5.5’ black suit man for comparison. It looks to me that the Wiegman car is nearer to the south curb. Note that I gave the test cars a steel-blue color (not white) for the 3D animation for modeling development use.

 (https://i.imgur.com/Jjb9lS4.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/27NzZBw.gif)
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Tom Graves on October 17, 2025, 08:07:00 PM
\  To test the location of the car either parked along the south (or north) curb of the Elm Extension, as seen in the Wiegman film, I plotted Wiegman’s position with test south curb versus north curb cars on a DP map. The plot showed the north curb car about twice the distance from the camera compared to a south curb car. Then for equal sized cars the north curb car would appear about one half the size of the south curb car to Wiegman’s camera.  I made a quick 3D view animation to demonstrate this and added a 5.5’ black suit man for comparison. It looks to me that the Wiegman car is nearer to the south curb. Note that I gave the test cars a steel-blue color (not white) for the 3D animation for modeling development use.

 (https://i.imgur.com/Jjb9lS4.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/27NzZBw.gif)

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that it looks to you as though the Wiegman car is parked next to the "island" instead of next to the TSBD. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: James Hackerott on October 18, 2025, 12:01:05 AM
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that it looks to you as though the Wiegman car is parked next to the "island" instead of next to the TSBD. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes Tom, the car seems close to the Elm Exension's south curb, which is the "island" north curb. I'm attaching a single graphic showing the two positions along with the Wiegman frame for comparison. Which 3D render looks more like the Wiegman frame to you?
(https://i.imgur.com/bpppNbt.jpeg)
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Tom Graves on October 18, 2025, 01:04:42 AM
Yes Tom, the car seems close to the Elm Exension's south curb, which is the "island" north curb. I'm attaching a single graphic showing the two positions along with the Wiegman frame for comparison. Which 3D render looks more like the Wiegman frame to you?
(https://i.imgur.com/bpppNbt.jpeg)


I think you're right, I mean correct.
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Royell Storing on October 18, 2025, 02:43:16 AM
\  To test the location of the car either parked along the south (or north) curb of the Elm Extension, as seen in the Wiegman film, I plotted Wiegman’s position with test south curb versus north curb cars on a DP map. The plot showed the north curb car about twice the distance from the camera compared to a south curb car. Then for equal sized cars the north curb car would appear about one half the size of the south curb car to Wiegman’s camera.  I made a quick 3D view animation to demonstrate this and added a 5.5’ black suit man for comparison. It looks to me that the Wiegman car is nearer to the south curb. Note that I gave the test cars a steel-blue color (not white) for the 3D animation for modeling development use.

 (https://i.imgur.com/Jjb9lS4.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/27NzZBw.gif)

   You guys are over complicating this. The car on the Wiegman still frame is parked close to the Huge Gates. We see the (L) TAIL LIGHT of this car. A Tail Light is COLORED. We see this Tail Light on the Wiegman still frame has COLOR. On the Couch/Darnell film, Officer Baker runs past the HEADLIGHT of a car parked alongside the Island. That Headlight is CLEAR. This is indisputable.
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Tom Graves on October 18, 2025, 03:01:05 AM
The car in the Wiegman frame is parked [on the TSBD side of Elm Street Extension,] close to the Huge Gates.

Dear Comrade Storing,

Why is it so large in comparison with the people in the "foreground"?

-- Tom
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: James Hackerott on October 18, 2025, 08:11:09 PM
   You guys are over complicating this. The car on the Wiegman still frame is parked close to the Huge Gates. We see the (L) TAIL LIGHT of this car. A Tail Light is COLORED. We see this Tail Light on the Wiegman still frame has COLOR. On the Couch/Darnell film, Officer Baker runs past the HEADLIGHT of a car parked alongside the Island. That Headlight is CLEAR. This is indisputable.
I don’t think that is a taillight on a car near the gates. It is probably related to the Live Oak Tree shadow filling the area between the black suit man and the woman to his right. Such as shadow would be coming from the lower portion of the crown and on the south side (from modeling). The tree was not giving shade to the proposed car near the gates (north side of the Extension).

(https://i.imgur.com/JRIimm8.jpeg)

Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: James Hackerott on October 18, 2025, 10:21:32 PM
You've lost me.
Sorry. These graphics might help. The graphic of the tree is an anaglyph, 3D if you can find a pair of the Red/Cyan glasses. Cheap on Amazon  :)
(https://i.imgur.com/msg8qHD.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NkqiFpM.jpeg)

Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: James Hackerott on October 18, 2025, 11:26:07 PM
I don't even know where "the car near Storing's HUGE GATES" is in your above presentation.
From Wiegman's POV:
If the car was parked at the "island" curb it labeled A in this graphic.
If the car was parked at the curb near the gates it is labeled B.
(https://i.imgur.com/56ShcbU.jpeg)
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Tom Graves on October 19, 2025, 08:27:01 PM
From Wiegman's POV:
If the car was parked at the "island" curb it labeled A in this graphic.
If the car was parked at the curb near the gates it is labeled B.
(https://i.imgur.com/56ShcbU.jpeg)

Where did Comrade Storing go?
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Royell Storing on October 19, 2025, 11:35:59 PM
Where did Comrade Storing go?

   Are you interested in actually seeing the car parked near the Huge Gates? The same car we see in this same location on the Wiegman Film? 
   Go to YOU TUBE:    Search  -  "Manhunt: The Search for JFK's Killer (Full Episode) | JFK One Day in America"   by - National Geographic.  The 8:55 Mark shows Brehm and Euins sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car. In front of Inspector Sawyer's car is a car parked along the curb near the Huge Gates. THIS, is the same car we see on the Wiegman Film. This car is parked close to the Huge Gates and facing the railroad yard. The (L) Rear tail light that we see on the Wiegman Film is visible here too. And this tail light is colored like tail lights are. 
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Tom Graves on October 20, 2025, 05:00:15 AM
Are you interested in actually seeing the car parked near the Huge Gates? The same car we see in this same location on the Wiegman Film? 
Go to YOU TUBE:    Search  -  "Manhunt: The Search for JFK's Killer (Full Episode) | JFK One Day in America"   by - National Geographic.  The 8:55 Mark shows Brehm and Euins sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car. In front of Inspector Sawyer's car is a car parked along the curb near the Huge Gates. THIS, is the same car we see on the Wiegman Film. This car is parked close to the Huge Gates and facing the railroad yard. The (L) Rear tail light that we see on the Wiegman Film is visible here too. And this taillight is colored like taillights are.

And your whole point is what?

That the bad guys escaped in that car by driving it towards the railway yard / parking lot?
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Royell Storing on October 20, 2025, 06:58:08 AM
And your whole point is what?

That the bad guys escaped in that car by driving it towards the railway yard / parking lot?

      You previously claimed that the car parked near the Huge Gates was actually parked alongside the Island. That is Not True.
      The Wiegman Film shows NO CAR parked alongside the Island. The Couch and Darnell Films DO show a car parked alongside the Island. We see Officer Baker run across the front of this car on both of these films. This means a car moved down the Elm St Ext and parked alongside the Island seconds after the Wiegman Film Snippet showing the Island. I believe this same car is also on the Hughes Film Snippet that shows Billy Lovelady standing on the (R) side of the TSBD front steps. This Hughes Film Snippet was taken roughly 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. This means the car parked alongside the Island was abandoned only seconds after the kill shot and left there for at least 15-20 minutes. Probably more. I believe that Officer Smith and Officer Baker running toward this car caused whoever was inside it to flee the vehicle.   
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Tom Graves on October 20, 2025, 07:13:11 AM
The Wiegman Film shows no car parked alongside the Island.

Dear Comrade Storing,

I believe the car that's parked next to the "island" in the Robert Hughes clip can seen at the 08:56 mark in the National Geographic video you told us about, and I believe it's the same car that Officer Baker ran in front of in Couch-Darnell while on his way to the TSBD entrance.


So much for "There was no car parked alongside the Island."

Suggestion: Why don't you get a graphics program, figure out how to use it, and mark the car you're referring to in all of the images you believe it appears it?

Truth is, you're such a crummy writer that at least half the time I have no you-know-what idea what you're talking about.

-- Tom
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Royell Storing on October 20, 2025, 04:57:39 PM
Dear Comrade Storing,

I believe the car that's parked next to the "island" in the Robert Hughes clip can seen at the 08:56 mark in the National Geographic video you told us about, and I believe it's the same car that Officer Baker ran in front of in Couch-Darnell while on his way to the TSBD entrance.


So much for "There was no car parked alongside the Island."

Suggestion: Why don't you get a graphics program, figure out how to use it, and mark the car you're referring to in all of the images you believe it appears it?

Truth is, you're such a crummy writer that at least half the time I have no you-know-what idea what you're talking about.

-- Tom

   The "no car parked alongside the Island" is in reference to what we see on the WIEGMAN Film. That portion of the Wiegman Film was captured when the JFK Limo was still on Elm St.
   The car you are referencing on the Nat Geo presentation is parked in a different location. Inspector Sawyer's car which we see Euins and Brehm sitting inside, was parked with its' trunk stretching across the (L) front steps of the TSBD. The car you mention is sitting further up the Elm St Ext than the Inspector Sawyer car. The car you mention is NOT parked at the end of the Island. It is parked further down the Elm St Ext.
   Remember to use the Signal Light Pole as a Landmark. On the Couch/Darnell films, we see this Signal Light Pole as Officer Baker runs across the front of the car parked at the END of the Island.
   I believe the Hughes Film snippet showing the front of the TSBD, also shows this very same car still parked at the end of the Island. (And this is a posted, "NO PARKING ZONE"). This portion of the Hughes Film showing this same car was filmed roughly 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. I believe this car was abandoned at the End of the Island: (1) when Officer Smith ran toward the car/down the Elm St Ext to check the bushes, and (2) Officer Baker turned his motorcycle from Houston St onto Elm, parked his motorcycle at the curb, and then ran directly toward this same car as he headed toward the TSBD. Whoever was in that car got nervous when seeing this law enforcement activity around them, got out of the car, and distanced themselves from the car.   
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Tom Graves on October 20, 2025, 07:57:35 PM
   The "no car parked alongside the Island" is in reference to what we see on the WIEGMAN Film. That portion of the Wiegman Film was captured when the JFK Limo was still on Elm St.
   The car you are referencing on the Nat Geo presentation is parked in a different location. Inspector Sawyer's car which we see Euins and Brehm sitting inside, was parked with its' trunk stretching across the (L) front steps of the TSBD. The car you mention is sitting further up the Elm St Ext than the Inspector Sawyer car. The car you mention is NOT parked at the end of the Island. It is parked further down the Elm St Ext.
   Remember to use the Signal Light Pole as a Landmark. On the Couch/Darnell films, we see this Signal Light Pole as Officer Baker runs across the front of the car parked at the END of the Island.
   I believe the Hughes Film snippet showing the front of the TSBD, also shows this very same car still parked at the end of the Island. (And this is a posted, "NO PARKING ZONE"). This portion of the Hughes Film showing this same car was filmed roughly 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. I believe this car was abandoned at the End of the Island: (1) when Officer Smith ran toward the car/down the Elm St Ext to check the bushes, and (2) Officer Baker turned his motorcycle from Houston St onto Elm, parked his motorcycle at the curb, and then ran directly toward this same car as he headed toward the TSBD. Whoever was in that car got nervous when seeing this law enforcement activity around them, got out of the car, and distanced themselves from the car.   

Dear Comrade Storing,

You need to get a graphics program and learn how to use it.

Due to your probably warped perspective and your inability to consistently specify which side of the street you're referring to when talking about "this car" or "that car" in the Wiegman clip and/or Couch-Darnell, I have no idea what you're talking about.

-- Tom
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Royell Storing on October 20, 2025, 10:30:52 PM
Dear Comrade Storing,

You need to get a graphics program and learn how to use it.

Due to your inability to consistently specify which side of the street you're referring to when talking about "this car" or "that car" in the Wiegman clip and/or Couch-Darnell, I have no idea what you're talking about.

-- Tom

       This car moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is a very big deal. It is a new find. Understanding this discovery requires knowing the differing timelines of JFK assassination films.   
       The Wiegman Film does NOT show a car parked alongside the "Island". The Couch/Darnell films DO SHOW a car parked alongside the "Island". Wiegman was riding inside Camera Car #1. Couch/Darnell were riding inside Camera Car #3. The Wiegman film footage of the Island is roughly 20-25 seconds ahead of the Couch/Darnell filmed images of the Island. This car was traveling down the Elm St Ext during the Wiegman Filming of the Island. This same car had reached the Island and parked alongside it by the time Couch/Darnell filmed the Island. I believe the Hughes Film Snippet showing the front steps of the TSBD, also shows us this same car parked in the same spot alongside the island. This Hughes snippet was filmed roughly 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. Yet, this same car is still parked alongside the Island where we see it on the Couch/Darnell films. What we are seeing on the Couch/Darnell Films and the Hughes Film is a "getaway car" that was deserted alongside the Island.         
Title: Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Post by: Tom Graves on October 20, 2025, 10:49:36 PM
This car moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is a very big deal. It is a new find. Understanding this discovery requires knowing the differing timelines of JFK assassination films.   
The Wiegman Film does NOT show a car parked alongside the "Island". The Couch/Darnell films DO SHOW a car parked alongside the "Island". Wiegman was riding inside Camera Car #1. Couch/Darnell were riding inside Camera Car #3. The Wiegman film footage of the Island is roughly 20-25 seconds ahead of the Couch/Darnell filmed images of the Island. This car was traveling down the Elm St Ext during the Wiegman Filming of the Island. This same car had reached the Island and parked alongside it by the time Couch/Darnell filmed the Island. I believe the Hughes Film Snippet showing the front steps of the TSBD, also shows us this same car parked in the same spot alongside the island. This Hughes snippet was filmed roughly 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. Yet, this same car is still parked alongside the Island where we see it on the Couch/Darnell films. What we are seeing on the Couch/Darnell Films and the Hughes Film is a "getaway car" that was deserted alongside the Island.       

"This car . . . "

LOL!

There you go again!

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"The Wiegman Film does NOT show a car parked alongside the "Island".

You're mistaken.

See James Hackerott's work, above.