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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Tom Graves on August 29, 2025, 01:11:32 PM
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Here's a question for all of the tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorists out there
If the bullet wound near JFK's Adam's apple is an entrance wound, why didn't it nick his tie?
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Here's a question for all of the tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorists out there
If the bullet wound near JFK's Adam's apple is an entrance wound, why didn't it nick his tie?
Because, as I've explained to you several times, the throat wound was above the tie/collar. I'll refresh your memory:
Dr. Ronald Jones saw JFK's body before the clothes were removed. Interviewed for the 2023 Paramount documentary JFK: What the Doctors Saw, Dr. Jones said the throat wound was "visible" and that it was "just above where the shirt and tie was":
The first thing I noticed was a very small wound in his neck in the front. . . .
We could tell that the wound was in the front of the neck just above
where the shirt and tie was. So it was visible to you.
(18:12-18:19, 18:32-18:39)
In the same documentary, Dr. Joe D. Goldstrich, a fourth-year medical student at Parkland Hospital at the time, said he could see the neck wound when JFK's clothes were still on:
I do remember that very early on, even when his clothes were
still on, I saw the wound in his neck. (18:20-18:28)
He would not have been able to see the throat wound if it had been under/behind the tie knot and the front shirt slits.
Dr. Carrico told the WC that the throat wound was above the tie:
Dulles: Will you show us about where it was?
Dr. Carrico: Just about where your tie would be.
Dulles: Where did it enter?
Dr. Carrico: It entered?
Dulles: Yes.
Dr. Carrico: At the time we did not know --
Dulles: I see.
Dr. Carrico: The entrance. All we knew this was a small wound here.
Dulles: I see. And you put your hand right above where your tie is?
Dr. Carrico: Yes, sir. (3 H 361-362)
Plus, we have Carrico's 11/22/63 admission note, where he said the throat wound was "immediately below the larynx." A wound "immediately below" the larynx would be above the collar and certainly above the shirt slits.
When Carrico spoke with Harold Weisberg in 1975, he confirmed that the throat wound was above the collar; he was “definite on this” (Weisberg, Never Again, 2007 edition, p. 241). Weisberg continued:
When I asked him if he saw any bullet holes in the shirt or tie, he was
definite in saying “No.” I asked if he recalled Dulles’s question and his
own pointing to above his own shirt collar as the location of the bullet hole.
He does remember this, and he does remember confirming that the hole
was above the collar. . . . (Never Again, p. 242)
Carrico also told Weisberg that the nurses used scalpels to remove the president’s shirt and tie because they were, understandably, in a big hurry, and that it was “likely” that the nurses made the slits and the nick in the tie, adding, “I saw neither the nick in the tie nor the cuts in the shirt before the nurses started cutting” (Weisberg, Post Mortem, pp. 375-376; http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/N%20Disk/New%20York%20Times/Item%2093.pdf, p. 4; https://www.google.com/books/edition/Matrix_for_Assassination/SC-wBAAAQBAJ?q=&gbpv=1#f=true, pp. 95-96; http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Book Images/Never Again - Draft/Never Again Draft.pdf, p. 14)
Rockefeller Foundation fellow Henry Hurt, in his book Reasonable Doubt, notes that one of the nurses confirmed that nurses made the shirt slits when they hurriedly cut away JFK’s tie and shirt (p. 60).
Dr. Malcolm Perry diagnosed the throat wound as an entrance wound because it was small (3-5 mm in diameter), neat (no ragged edges), and punched-in, and because of the damage he saw beneath the throat wound. He believed the missile had entered the throat and then ranged downward into the chest.
The fact that this damage was on the righthand side of the superior (upper) mediastinum is important because the nick on the tie knot was near the left edge of the knot, an obviously impossible trajectory given the thickness of the knot and the fact that the knot was neatly centered in the middle of the collar band. Plus, we know that no bullet exited the shirt slits because there was no hole in the tie, only the nick on the top of the knot.
All of these facts enable us to more fully appreciate the ARRB disclosures about the back wound. We now know that on the night of the autopsy, the autopsy doctors were absolutely, completely, and totally certain that the back wound had no exit point. They established this with prolonged probing, both with fingers and with surgical probes, and even removed the chest organs and positioned the body “every which way” to facilitate and observe the probing. A medical technician at the autopsy reported that he could see the end of the probe pushing up against the lining of the chest cavity and that there was no exit point.
This explains another fact that we now know thanks to ARRB disclosures: an early draft of the autopsy report said the throat wound was caused by a fragment from the head shot, and the FBI lab initially said the shirt slits were made by a fragment, not a bullet.
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An early draft of the autopsy report said the throat wound was caused by a fragment from the head shot, and the FBI lab initially said the shirt slits were made by a fragment, not a bullet.
Dear Comrade Griffith,
Do you believe that to be the case, or do you prefer to believe that the "entrance" wound was caused by a paralyzing ice bullet that was fired from the far end of The Triple Underpass Bridge?
-- Tom
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What was this then?
(https://cdn.allthepics.net/images/2025/09/01/jfk-tie-nick.jpg)
JFK was a shabby dresser?
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What was this then?
(https://cdn.allthepics.net/images/2025/09/01/jfk-tie-nick.jpg)
Yes, and notice that the nick is not on the edge, where it would have to be if it were made by an exiting bullet that did not go through the tie.
Even if someone chooses to believe that a wound "immediately below the larynx" would be below the top of the collar band, such a wound would certainly be above the shirt slits, which were below the inner band of the collar. Thus, no bullet exiting such a wound could have made the shirt slits, and no bullet exiting the slits could have magically weaved around the body of the tie knot and nicked the top of the tie near the knot's left edge.
Again, when Harold Weisberg finally obtained copies of the FBI photos of the tie, which prove there was no hole through the tie, the SBT was destroyed. But, SBT believers just can't bring themselves to face this fact, even though it's been established with the hard physical evidence of the tie.
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Yes, and notice that the nick is not on the edge, where it would have to be if it were made by an exiting bullet that did not go through the tie.
Even if someone chooses to believe that a wound "immediately below the larynx" would be below the collar band, such a wound would certainly be above the shirt slits, which were below in the inner band of the collar. Thus, no bullet exiting such a wound could have made the shirt slits, and no bullet exiting the slits could have magically weaved around the body of the tie knot and nicked the top of the tie near the knot's left edge.
Again, when Harold Weisberg finally obtained copies of the FBI photos of the tie, which prove there was no hole through the tie, the SBT was destroyed. But, SBT believers just can't bring themselves to face this fact, even though it's been established with the hard physical evidence of the tie.
Must have been sloppy scalpel work, huh?
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Must have been sloppy scalpel work, huh?
It was certainly hurried, frantic scalpel work. The nurses were trying to cut off JFK's shirt and tie as quickly as possible. Again, one of the Parkland nurses confirmed to Henry Hurt that the nurses made the shirt slits and the tie nick.
This explains why Weisberg and Mantik independently observed the jagged edges of a blade in the slits, why the slits had no fabric missing from them, why no metallic traces were found around the slits, and why there was no hole through the tie.
It is obvious that none of you can explain why the tie has no hole through it, why the shirt slits have no fabric missing, and how any bullet exiting the slits could have nicked the top of the tie knot without first tearing through the knot.
It's really, really simple: No bullet exited the slits. Nurses made the slicks and the tie nick. The throat wound was an entrance wound, just as the Parkland doctors, who'd seen hundreds of gunshot wounds, said it was.
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It was certainly hurried, frantic scalpel work. The nurses were trying to cut off JFK's shirt and tie as quickly as possible. Again, one of the Parkland nurses confirmed to Henry Hurt that the nurses made the shirt slits and the tie nick.
This explains why Weisberg and Mantik independently observed the jagged edges of a blade in the slits, why the slits had no fabric missing from them, why no metallic traces were found around the slits, and why there was no hole through the tie.
It is obvious that none of you can explain why the tie has no hole through it, why the shirt slits have no fabric missing, and how any bullet exiting the slits could have nicked the top of the tie knot without first tearing through the knot.
It's really, really simple: No bullet exited the slits. Nurses made the slicks [sic] and the tie nick. The throat wound was an entrance wound, just as the Parkland doctors, who'd seen hundreds of gunshot wounds, said it was.
It's a miracle those nurses didn't sever his jugular vein while they were hacking away!
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It's a miracle those nurses didn't sever his jugular vein while they were hacking away!
They made two small overlapping slits below the inner collar band and a slight nick on the top of the tie.
I take it you're just going to keep avoiding the fact that there was no hole through the tie? This a textbook case of self-delusion and an ability to face disturbing fact.
If a bullet had exited the shirt slits, it would have to had to tear through the tie. It could not have missed the tie. It would have torn a hole through the bottom part of the tie knot. But there is no hole through the tie. There is only a small nick on top of the tie knot near the left edge of the knot. Obviously, no bullet could have exited the slits and then magically weaved around the body of the knot and nicked the top of the knot. At least not on this planet and not in this reality.
The FBI knew this. This is why the FBI fought so doggedly, for 10 years, to avoid releasing their photos of the tie.
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They made two small overlapping slits below the inner collar band and a slight nick on the top of the tie.
I take it you're just going to keep avoiding the fact that there was no hole through the tie? This a textbook case of self-delusion and an ability to face disturbing fact.
If a bullet had exited the shirt slits, it would have to had to tear through the tie. It could not have missed the tie. It would have torn a hole through the bottom part of the tie knot. But there is no hole through the tie. There is only a small nick on top of the tie knot near the left edge of the knot. Obviously, no bullet could have exited the slits and then magically weaved around the body of the knot and nicked the top of the knot. At least not on this planet and not in this reality.
The FBI knew this. This is why the FBI fought so doggedly, for 10 years, to avoid releasing their photos of the tie.
Dear Comrade Griffith,
Please freshen my memory:
Were the fibers of JFK's shirt and/or tie pointed outwards, or inwards?
-- Tom
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What was this then?
(https://cdn.allthepics.net/images/2025/09/01/jfk-tie-nick.jpg)
JFK was a shabby dresser?
So now there is a "bullet hole" in the JFK Shirt in the region of the Tie? The same tie that was Not penetrated by said bullet? So in order to make the SBT even "possible", (1) JFK is now deemed a "hunchback", (2) the JFK BACK Wound is moved Up to his Neck, (3) the front of the JFK Shirt is claimed to have been penetrated by CE399, and (4) JFK's Tie is claimed to have been penetrated by CE399 too. Revisionist History knows NO Limits.