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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Fred Litwin on July 18, 2025, 12:06:02 PM
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https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-maga-crowd-gets-the-jfk-assassination-conspiracy-they-need (https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-maga-crowd-gets-the-jfk-assassination-conspiracy-they-need)
The MAGA Crowd Gets the JFK Assassination Conspiracy They Need
They are desperate to prove the malignancy of the deep state and so have embraced a JFK assassination conspiracy. Recent comments by Tucker Carlson, Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, and Roger Stone are just off-the-charts stupid.
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So exactly when did Josiah Thompson or David Lifton join the MAGA Movement?
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They didn't and if you read the article, you would know that.
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https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-maga-crowd-gets-the-jfk-assassination-conspiracy-they-need (https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-maga-crowd-gets-the-jfk-assassination-conspiracy-they-need)
The MAGA Crowd Gets the JFK Assassination Conspiracy They Need
They are desperate to prove the malignancy of the deep state and so have embraced a JFK assassination conspiracy. Recent comments by Tucker Carlson, Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, and Roger Stone are just off-the-charts stupid.
Fred, am I to infer from this that you are anti-Trump? I always had you pegged as a conservative. Are you a conservative Never Trumper? Is that it?
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Yeah I read it. It is nothing more than another MAGA smear attempt. Attempting to tie the JFK Assassination to the MAGA movement is where we are at. The Left with nothing left but smear campaigns. And the Dem Party now below 20% Approval? It is stuff like this that continues driving them off of the National Map. This is why they know with certainty that they need to eliminate the Electoral College. Under 20% just don't come close to cutting the mustard on a National Level.
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The conspiracist Vincent Salandria remarked that when he gave a talk on the assassination that he would often get a more receptive response from a conservative audience than a liberal one. This was roughly the 1970s era. That's pretty anecdotal - there's a Yiddish saying, "For example is not proof" - but I do think it reflects the idea that there's always been a populist Right that was more open to believing in a conspiracy than the Establishment Right. It's not new. But that's true across the board. It's more of an Establishment vs. Outsider split than a Right vs. Left. Historically, it's been Left conspiracists who grabbed the headlines - Mark Lane et al. - but now we see the populist/anti-Establishment Right figures like Carlson (he is literally nuts, right? what's the explanation?) promoting it.
Still I think this is a more recent change on the Right. An uptick. Obviously it comes mostly from the "Russian collusion" controversy where they view the "Deep State" as getting JFK just like "they" tried to get Trump. Meanwhile there's been a decrease among Democrats.
(https://www.drivehq.com/file/DFPublishFile.aspx/FileID12616647774/Keyisisj39s6vwh/jfk demo.JPG)
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Conspiracy horseshoes. Who said this? Who does it sound like? Especially the last part.
"It was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy.....The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear: 'We are in control and no one -- not the President, not Congress, nor any elected official -- no one can do anything about it.' It was a message to the people that their Government was powerless (sic). And the people eventually got the message. Consider what happened since the Kennedy assassination. People see government today as unresponsive to their needs, yet the budget and power of the military and intelligence establishment have increased tremendously."
A major populist/MAGA Rightist? Tucker Carlson? Glenn Beck? Steve Bannon?
Answer: Vincent Salandria.
Just to add this about Salandria's history: After JFK's assassination we saw the greatest expansion of programs for the people in American history, even surpassing FDR's New Deal. Viz., LBJ's "Great Society" initiatives and more. From Medicaid and Medicare, poverty programs, education programs...a massive investment in people. Salandria's history is just wrong from top to bottom and the middle too. But he does sound like Carlson, doesn't he?
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Vincent Salandria remarked that when he gave a talk on the assassination that he would often get a more receptive response from a conservative audience than a liberal one. This was roughly the 1970s era. That's pretty anecdotal but I do think it reflects the idea that there's always been a populist Right that was more open to believing in a conspiracy than the Establishment Right. It's not new. But that's true across the board. It's more of an Establishment vs. Outside split than a Right vs. Left. Historically, it's been Left conspiracists who grabbed the headlines - Mark Lane et al. - but now we see the populist Right figures like Carlson (he is literally nuts, right? what's the explanation?) promoting it.
Still I think this is a more recent change on the Right.
(https://www.drivehq.com/file/DFPublishFile.aspx/FileID12616647774/Keyisisj39s6vwh/jfk demo.JPG)
It's all about Trump.
Pre-Trump: The Boomer/1960s New Left generation tended to be more conspiratorial and skeptical of institutions like the FBI and the military. People like Oliver Stone and Michael Moore were highly regarded in Liberal pop culture.
Trump's arrival into national politics has scrambled things a bit. He has made it acceptable for Conservatives to question US foreign policies, institutions like the FBI and CIA, and the military industrial complex.
And due to political partisanship, many Boomer, MSNBC watching Dems (even those who were part of the New Left in the 60s and 70s), have grown more fond of the national security institutions and foreign policies that Trump is perceived as a threat to. Conspiratorial views have also been shunned more in Democratic circles under Trump. There's not as much space on the Left today for anti-Establishment politics (but that may be changing soon depending on what happens with the NYC mayor's race).
How this ties into the Kennedy assassination is, regardless of who Americans hold responsible for Kennedy's assassination the universal view among those who believe there was a conspiracy is that our government lied to us about the facts of Kennedy's murder. To accept that our government would lie about the murder of a US President requires some level of anti-Establishment political beliefs. And as I said earlier, at least in the Trump era, the anti-Establishment politics seems to be more prominent on the Right today.
During the recent JFK assassination hearings in the House, as a Progressive, I was saddened to see Congressional Dems express indifference towards the new JFK assassination files while most Republicans at the hearings expressed genuine interest in the new information. Still, I don't think members of Congress accurately represent the views of their constituents. There are still many Democratic voters who believe there was a conspiracy in JFK's assassination. But among the Democratic and Liberal establishment, anti-establishment views and conspiratorial stuff are mostly shunned.
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Fred, am I to infer from this that you are anti-Trump? I always had you pegged as a conservative. Are you a conservative Never Trumper? Is that it?
Griffith,
Are you pro-Trump?
If so, it would go a long way in explaining what a rabid conspiracy theorist you are.
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We just witnessed what went down with the Trump/Russia stuff. Who had ever heard of a FISA Court prior to this attempted Railroading? And people previously laughed at references to a "Star Chamber"? No recording, minutes, or any other Official Record of what went down inside that FISA Court time after time after time? Anybody scoffing at a Deep State need look no further than the FISA Court decisions/wiretaps. That's DEEP STATE.
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Griffith,
Are you pro-Trump?
If so, it would go a long way in explaining what a rabid conspiracy theorist you are.
You frequently espouse conspiracy theories about KGB agents under every American's bed and yet, you have the audacity to accuse others of being rabid CT'ers?
:D
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You frequently espouse conspiracy theories about KGB agents under every American's bed and yet, you have the audacity to accuse others of being rabid CT'ers?
Righty-Lefty Banksky,
Are you old enough to remember KGB* agents Anna Chapman and the Twelve Dwarfs, whom the FBI finally rolled up in 2010 after they'd been in the U.S. and Canada for ten years?
How about Igor Danchenko, the guy who fed gullible Christopher Steele both false and unfalsifiable "intel" for his dossier on The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx"), and whom the FBI was investigating as a possible KGB agent until he temporarily disappeared in 2011?
I could go on and on, but for now why don't you learn something for a change and google my Wikipedia article on Tennent H. Bagley and read at least some of my 350+ free articles on "How the KGB Zombified the CIA and the FBI" on Substack?
*Today's SVR and FSB
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And now the DOJ has thrown Obama into the middle of the Trump/Russia Conspiracy. And remember that Gen Flynn was unmasked via VP Joe Biden's security clearance. And people laugh at the mention of "Conspiracy Theories"? This stuff goes on regularly and has been for decades. Brennan and Clapper heavily involved for a long time too.
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And now the DOJ has thrown Obama into the middle of the Trump/Russia Conspiracy.
DOJ, or Comrade Tulsi Gabbard?
The big mistake Obama made regarding your buddy Putin was taking Michael McFaul's advice and "resetting."
And remember that Gen Flynn was unmasked via VP Joe Biden's security clearance.
What do you mean, Storing?
And people laugh at the mention of "Conspiracy Theories"?
IHMO, you should be less concerned with "Russiagate," "Hunter Biden's Laptop," and "Epstein's Deep State Pedophile List," etc, and more concerned with what the Kremlin has been doing (especially since the JFKA) to get us to tear ourselves apart ever since it, realizing in 1959 that the USSR and the Warsaw Pact couldn't defeat the U.S. and NATO militarily, set up Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today's SVR) and Department 14 the Second Chief Directorate (today's FSB) to wage Sun Tzu-based disinformation, "active measures," and (mole-based) strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies.
This stuff goes on regularly and has been for decades.
See above.
Brennan and Clapper heavily involved [sic] for a long time, too.
They were busy for many years fighting your world-class humanitarian buddies in the KGB* and the GRU, Storing.
Ironically, even Clapper Michael Hayden was duped into believing that false defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962 / false-or-rogue physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964 Yuri "The KGB Had Absolutely Nothing To Do With Former Sharpshooting Marine U-2 Radar Operator Lee Harvey Oswald During The Two-and-One-Half Years He Lived Half-A-Mile from A KGB School In Minsk" Nosenko was a true defector.
*Today's SVR and FSB