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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Michael Walton on July 14, 2025, 03:08:48 PM
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If so, is it the result of 66 years of an "official" report that says only one man did it and all other possible leads and strange occurrences of the murder are just hogwash or swept under the rug?
Whereas actual autopsy photos show a back [not a neck] bullet entrance that did not terminate, and another front injury in the throat - and neither of the shots align? And these shots were supposedly were from the 6th floor of a high-rise building? And there's no downward angle of these shots, yet the official conclusion is one bullet came from this high angle and created the wounds?
Whereas a clear movie was shot of the entire murder sequence and the obvious sequence of shots happen split seconds apart, showing that it's physically impossible for these shots to have been made by one bullet? And this supposed single bullet creates a wound of the person sitting in front of the first victim, yet he doesn't even react to this shot until split seconds afterward?
Whereas the so-called lone nut, Marxist, out-of-control accused assassin defects to Russia for no real reason, screws around in that country for a while, then changes his mind and waltzes right back to America with a hot new Russian wife to boot? And absolutely no questions are asked? And we're expected to believe that this guy is just a madman a la Tim McVeigh, a mere angry nobody?
And he's just oh-so-smoothly steered into a job at the eventual assassination site and we're expected to believe that it's just mere coincidence? And at the same time, this so-called Marxist who's out of control, angry, and psychotic wears his U.S. Marine Corps ring the day he's accused of killing the president? And when he sees the writing on the wall, he tells the reason why he's being accused of all of this and he's just a fall guy?
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Whereas this so-called loner, crazy Marxist - a supposed mere nobody like Tim McVeigh - is handing out pro-Castro leaflets and another organization, secretly sponsored by the CIA, "attacks" this mere nobody - with cameras rolling. Then this nobody is invited to debate this other CIA-sponsored group on radio and TV. And then major US news outlets take the time to publish news about it. And all mere months before November 22? And we're expected to believe this is all happenstance?
https://archive.ph/e2XVR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
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I believe LN'ers mentally/emotionally can't accept that American bureaucrats and other institutions would lie or spread misinformation about the murder of a US President.
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I believe LN'ers mentally/emotionally can't accept that American bureaucrats and other institutions would lie or spread misinformation about the murder of a US President.
Righty-Lefty Banksy,
I believe Far-Lefties and Far-Right MAGATs mentally/emotionally can't accept the fact that the organization they think of as a world-class humanitarian organization -- the KGB* -- having realized that the USSR and the Warsaw Pact couldn't defeat the U.S. and NATO militarily, set up Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today's SVR) and Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate (today's FSB) in 1959 to wage disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies in order to get us to tear ourselves apart.
And I give you The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx).
*Today's SVR and FSB
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Highly advise to read this. Shows the history of the intel/organized crime beginnings. So much going on behind the scenes, in the shadows. Right up to what's happening with Epstein affair.
Remember folks - a "government" is not some pure entity. It's run by people, warts and all.
https://archive.org/stream/one-nation-under-blackmail-vol-1-2-whitney-alyse-webb_202401/One%20Nation%20Under%20Blackmail--Vol%201%262%20-%20Whitney%20Alyse%20Webb_djvu.txt
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Walton,
It's more rational to believe that a psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist former Marine sharpshooter by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK by firing three shots at him -- using bullets that have a tendency to start tumbling upon exiting something soft (like a human neck) -- over 10.2 seconds in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza than it is to believe the KGB*-encouraged idea that oodles and gobs of bad guys were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, and the all-important (and . . . gasp . . . continuing!!!) cover up.
LOL
*Today's SVR and FSB
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Righty-Lefty Banksy,
I believe Far-Lefties and Far-Right MAGATs mentally/emotionally can't accept the fact that the organization they think of as a world-class humanitarian organization -- the KGB* -- having realized that the USSR and the Warsaw Pact couldn't defeat the U.S. and NATO militarily, set up Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today's SVR) and Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate (today's FSB) in 1959 to wage disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies in order to get us to tear ourselves apart.
And I give you The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx).
*Today's SVR and FSB
I cannot speak for the Right but the Left is not united on JFK assassination research.
There are three groups on the Left:
A) The James DiEugenio/Lisa Pease types who strongly believe JFK was assassinated by a conspiracy involving the US national security state.
B) The Noam Chomsky/Sy Hersh types who strongly believe there was no conspiracy or that it doesn't matter if there was because JFK was a bad President.
C) The people who don't care because it happened decades ago. (this is arguably the largest group of people and growing as we move farther away from 1963)
I consider myself part of Group A.
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I cannot speak for the Right but the Left is not united on JFK assassination research.
There are three groups on the Left:
A) The James DiEugenio/Lisa Pease types who strongly believe JFK was assassinated by a conspiracy involving the US national security state.
B) The Noam Chomsky/Sy Hersh types who strongly believe there was no conspiracy or that it doesn't matter if there was because JFK was a bad President.
C) The people who don't care because it happened decades ago. (this is arguably the largest group of people and growing as we move farther away from 1963)
I consider myself part of Group A.
DiEugenio and Pease are big Jim Garrison supporters.
Are you a big Garrison supporter, too?
Regardless, did you know that researcher Malcolm Blunt (a JFKA conspiracy theorist!) says near the end of this September 2021 video that probable KGB "mole" Bruce Solie in the CIA's mole-hunting Office of Security hid OS files on Oswald from the Church Committee and the HSCA, and that Solie was "all over the Kennedy Investigation and all over Clay Shaw for Jim Garrison"?
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=youtube+%22malcolm+blunt%22+nosenko&&mid=7DBB503AA54F7BE317ED7DBB503AA54F7BE317ED&FORM=VAMGZC
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DiEugenio and Pease are big Jim Garrison supporters.
Are you a big Garrison supporter, too?
No. I don't agree with Jimmy Di or Lisa Pease on everything and have criticisms of Jim Garrison.
But I broadly agree with them that there was probably a conspiracy involving national security state actors.
I only used them as examples of Far-Left figures in the JFK research community but there are others of course.
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No. I don't agree with Jimmy Di or Lisa Pease on everything and have criticisms of Jim Garrison.
But I broadly agree with them that there was probably a conspiracy involving national security state actors.
I only used them as examples of Far-Left figures in the JFK research community but there are others of course.
Please freshen my memory -- How many "National Security State" bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, and the all-important (and evidently ongoing!!!) cover up?
Just a few, or oodles and gobs?
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Highly advise to read this. Shows the history of the intel/organized crime beginnings. So much going on behind the scenes, in the shadows. Right up to what's happening with Epstein affair.
Remember folks - a "government" is not some pure entity. It's run by people, warts and all.
https://archive.org/stream/one-nation-under-blackmail-vol-1-2-whitney-alyse-webb_202401/One%20Nation%20Under%20Blackmail--Vol%201%262%20-%20Whitney%20Alyse%20Webb_djvu.txt
Yeah, the US govt's cooperation with organized crime goes as far back as WWII. And later, the CIA cooperated with the mafia when they rigged the elections in Italy.
Epstein seems to have more ties to Israeli intelligence and possibly organized crime but the CIA had to have known what he was doing over the 25-30 years that he was an active spook who met with Presidents, Prime Ministers, and CEOs.
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Yeah, the US govt's cooperation with organized crime goes as far back as WWII. And later, the CIA cooperated with the mafia when they rigged the elections in Italy.
Epstein seems to have more ties to Israeli intelligence and possibly organized crime but the CIA had to have known what he was doing over the 25-30 years that he was an active spook who met with Presidents, Prime Ministers, and CEOs.
Righty-Lefty Banksy,
You know the father of Epstein's girlfriend was a KGB agent, right?
Regardless, regarding the JFKA, please refreshen my memory -- How many "National Security State" bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, and the all-important (and evidently ongoing!!!) cover up?
Just a few, or oodles and gobs?
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Righty-Lefty Banksy,
You know the father of Epstein's girlfriend was a KGB agent, right?
Robert Maxwell was most famous for being an Israeli spy but yes, I've heard that he worked for the Soviets as well.
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Robert Maxwell was most famous for being an Israeli spy but yes, I've heard that he worked for the Soviets as well.
The Russia mafia are "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin's enforcers.
Lots of high-level Russian mafia figures hold dual (and even triple) citizenship with Israeli being one of them.
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The Russia mafia are "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin's enforcers.
Lots of high-level Russian mafia figures hold dual (and even triple) citizenship with Israeli being one of them.
Why do you think Epstein was able to operate with impunity for so long in the US?
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Why do you think Epstein was able to operate with impunity for so long in the US?
Given the perverted horniness of some wealthy Americans, the fact that Epstein was able to operate with impunity for so long is probably due to the actions of the only true Deep State -- the one comprised of the KGB*, Russian Oligarchs, the Russian Mafia, KGB*-connected elements of MOSSAD, and corrupt American judges and politicians, be they Democrat, Republican or "Independent."
*Today's SVR and FSB
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To blatantly dismiss undeniable facts seems to be becoming more prevalent at an exponential rate. The problem is that although social media enables all of us to obtain facts about anything like never before, it also gives an audience to those through need, cult - like behaviour or detachment from reality to spew lies as if they are facts. Sadly, many people believe them!!
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To blatantly dismiss undeniable facts seems to be becoming more prevalent at an exponential rate. The problem is that although social media enables all of us to obtain facts about anything like never before, it also gives an audience to those through need, cult - like behaviour or detachment from reality to spew lies as if they are facts. Sadly, many people believe them!!
Which "undeniable facts" are you referring to?
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Which "undeniable facts" are you referring to?
undeniable facts such as twelve men walked on the moon and the Earth is a globe
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undeniable facts such as twelve men walked on the moon and the Earth is a globe
How about the undeniable fact that you're a . . . awww . . . never mind.
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How about the undeniable fact that you're a . . . awww . . . never mind.
I'm a what?
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I'm a what?
"Useful idiot" would suffice.
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Who is the someone calling the kettle black!!! Everyone of your posts looks like a PsyOp! KGB...KGB....KGB...KGB... That list goes on incessantly. You have the same answer for everything! The 'Russians' and Putin are the only bad guys and responsible and involved in everything! "They have biggest mafia and the biggest darkest group in the world and are trying to control everything." Yet, they have a GDP that doesn't match their so called influence and wanes greatly in comparison (1/10 or less) to US and China. Who has skin in the game and is profiting from worldwide domination? They don't appear to be on the winning side nor even close in competition!
You are the type of person that thinks your government can do no wrong, honourable and you must believe everything they tell you or your little world collapses! No one in government has ever lied to you. "I never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinski!" come to mind. Sometimes its healthy for people to question their own governments actions to see if what they are telling you is truthful or just another lie. It gets even more confusing when the mainstream media propagates the same narrative and have cried wolf way too many times to actually be believable! Be wrong 2 or 3 times and nobody will believe you anymore. They now have to try to make rules to implement internet control because people are getting their news from too many other sources and free speech is hurting their game. They are losing influence quickly. We couldn't have had these forums and discussion 30 years ago. It is now all about misinformation, disinformation and malinformation as they have lost control for the moment and trying to gain that control back. Free speech is under considerable pressure.
However, you are content little mole to dig more holes. You have been psyop'd!! You just have not figured that out yet and you are willing combatant for their ruse! Hopefully you don't become like LHO and find out you were a patsy later. Your world would get crushed! Unfortunately and as a result, you are not really interested in looking to dig out any rabbits that are in any real holes. Its called duck/cover/deflection - call it what you may. Just move on and pursue a new imaginary hole. I am tired of hearing abut Putiin KGB KGB KGB every post - that is old news! Time to move on. Obfuscation is your only game. GDP is everything and who owns the system and rules the world. It certainly it isn't Russian mafia! I am sorry Tom but you walked into it!
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Who is the someone calling the kettle black!!! Everyone of your posts looks like a PsyOp! KGB...KGB....KGB...KGB... That list goes on incessantly. You have the same answer for everything! The 'Russians' and Putin are the only bad guys and responsible and involved in everything! "They have biggest mafia and the biggest darkest group in the world and are trying to control everything." Yet, they have a GDP that doesn't match their so called influence and wanes greatly in comparison (1/10 or less) to US and China. Who has skin in the game and is profiting from worldwide domination? They don't appear to be on the winning side nor even close in competition!
You are the type of person that thinks your government can do no wrong, honourable and you must believe everything they tell you or your little world collapses! No one in government has ever lied to you. "I never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinski!" come to mind. Sometimes its healthy for people to question their own governments actions to see if what they are telling you is truthful or just another lie. It gets even more confusing when the mainstream media propagates the same narrative and have cried wolf way too many times to actually be believable! Be wrong 2 or 3 times and nobody will believe you anymore. They now have to try to make rules to implement internet control because people are getting their news from too many other sources and free speech is hurting their game. They are losing influence quickly. We couldn't have had these forums and discussion 30 years ago. It is now all about misinformation, disinformation and malinformation as they have lost control for the moment and trying to gain that control back. Free speech is under considerable pressure.
However, you are content little mole to dig more holes. You have been psyop'd!! You just have not figured that out yet and you are willing combatant for their ruse! Hopefully you don't become like LHO and find out you were a patsy later. Your world would get crushed! Unfortunately and as a result, you are not really interested in looking to dig out any rabbits that are in any real holes. Its called duck/cover/deflection - call it what you may. Just move on and pursue a new imaginary hole. I am tired of hearing abut Putiin KGB KGB KGB every post - that is old news! Time to move on. Obfuscation is your only game. GDP is everything and who owns the system and rules the world. It certainly it isn't Russian mafia! I am sorry Tom but you walked into it!
Fritzke,
I'm hoping that if the Epstein files are ever released, in addition to The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx), any and all of the Republicans, Democrats and British Royalty who were involved will be revealed.
Christopher Steele (whom I believe was duped by a probable KGB* agent by the name of Igor Danchenko into including some false and unfalsifiable "intel" in his 80%-correct dossier in order to retroactively discredit it) recently said that he believes The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx) "won" the 2016 election because Putin's professional St. Petersburg trolls (with help from Cambridge Analytica and Paul Manafort, et al.) were able to convince enough Black people in Midwestern states to vote against Hillary Clinton.
I think "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin was instrumental in The Traitorous Orange Bird's (rhymes with Xxxx's) "winning," don't you? It wasn't necessary for his folks to hack the vote-tallying machines, and his op against my country (what's yours, btw?). Being Internet-based, the op wasn't very expensive, either, so your argument that Russia isn't strong enough financially and industrially to destroy us (or get us to destroy ourselves, rather) is specious as all get out.
Here's a little history lesson for you:
Way back in 1959, the Kremlin, realizing that the USSR and the Warsaw Pact couldn't defeat the U.S. and NATO militarily, decided to get us to tear ourselves apart by setting up top-secret Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today's SVR), and General Gribanov of the Second Chief Directorate (today's FSB), not to be outdone, set up his own deception-based Department 14 and as soon as he had arrested CIA's spy, GRU Lt. Col. Oleg Penkovsky in such a way that wouldn't reveal who had betrayed him (CIA's Bruce Leonard Solie or Leonard V. McCoy? MI5's Roger Hollis?), sent GRU Lt. Colonel Dmitry Polyakov and KGB Aleksei Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA) to the FBI's NYC field office to volunteer to spy for it at the U.N., and six months later sent putative KGB staff officer Yuri Nosenko to the CIA in Geneva to discredit what recent true defector Anatoliy Golitsyn was telling James Angleton about possible KGB penetrations of the CIA, the FBI, and the intelligence services of our NATO allies. Polykov stayed only until the end of 1962 and "flipped" to the CIA after he was reposted to Moscow, Rangoon. Kulak, on the other hand, duped the FBI and some in the CIA for fifteen years, and was instrumental in getting the FBI and the CIA to believe on 11/23/63 that Valery Kostilov in Mexico City was Department 13 (the CIA never was able to determine that he was).
Do yourself a favor and google "spy wars" and "archive" simultaneously, and "ghosts of the spy wars" and "archive" simultaneously" and read my Wikipedia article on Tennent H. Bagley while you're at it.
*Today's SVR and FSB
Cheers!