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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Fred Litwin on July 10, 2025, 12:25:14 PM
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More Morley Nothingburgers On the Way
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Get ready. Morley has asked for more files to be released. None of them will tell us anything.
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/more-morley-nothingburgers-on-the-way (https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/more-morley-nothingburgers-on-the-way)
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More Morley Nothingburgers On the Way
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Get ready. Morley has asked for more files to be released. None of them will tell us anything.
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/more-morley-nothingburgers-on-the-way (https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/more-morley-nothingburgers-on-the-way)
I'll suggest that at this point he's simply on a crusade against the CIA. I don't think deep down he really believes that Angleton et al. killed JFK. He can't get from AMSPELL to Dallas and he knows it. Oswald instigated that confrontation with DRE, specifically with Bringuier. It wasn't Joannides or his supposed "agents" doing this. It was in response to Oswald trying to create an event to pad his pro-Castro resume. No one in the DRE said that Joannides instructed them in any way on this. This was three months before the assassination and you can't get to that from New Orleans. He knows it but won't include those facts.
And Harvey had nothing to do with this at all. It's all scattershot, grabbing at things. But he wants to expose as much of what they did during that period as he can. Notice that he seldom mentions how the Kennedys were driving all of this, the covert program against Cuba. It's the "rogue CIA" myth in action.
It's using the assassination, as many on the Left do, for their crusade against the CIA, the Cold War policies, of that period.
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I'll suggest that at this point he's simply on a crusade against the CIA. I don't think deep down he really believes that Angleton et al. killed JFK. He can't get from AMSPELL to Dallas and he knows it. And Harvey had nothing to do with this at all. It's all scattershot, grabbing at things. But he wants to expose as much of what they did during that period as he can. Notice that he seldom mentions how the Kennedys were driving all of this, the covert program against Cuba. It's the "rogue CIA" myth in action.
It's using the assassination, as many on the Left do, for their crusade against the CIA, the Cold War policies, of that period.
Strangely, one of his main writers, Chester "Chad" Nagle, Jr., is a far-right Trump supporter.
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It's using the assassination, as many on the Left do, for their crusade against the CIA, the Cold War policies, of that period.
Amazing.
Honest question, should the CIA be held accountable (or not) for lying to investigators and obstructing investigations into JFK's murder?
Morley exposing the fact that the CIA lied on several occasions about facts related to the Kennedy assassination should be a huge scandal. But according to you, Morley is a bad guy for asking questions and attempting to clear up the historical records which are confusing due to intentional obstruction.
And I don't know where you get the idea that it's only the far-Left that wants accountability from our government. Lots of people who voted for Trump supported his promise to open the Esptein/JFK/MLK/RFK files.
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Amazing.
Honest question, should the CIA be held accountable (or not) for lying to investigators and obstructing investigations into JFK's murder?
Morley exposing the fact that the CIA lied on several occasions about facts related to the Kennedy assassination should be a huge scandal. But according to you, Morley is a bad guy for asking questions and attempting to clear up the historical records which are confusing due to intentional obstruction.
And I don't know where you get the idea that it's only the far-Left that wants accountability from our government. Lots of people who voted for Trump supported his promise to open the Esptein/JFK/MLK/RFK files.
Did you know that a probable KGB mole in the CIA by the name of Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up) hid Office of Security files on Oswald from the Church Committee and the HSCA, and, according to JFKA conspiracy theorist Malcolm Blunt, was "all over Clay Shaw for Jim Garrison"?
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Litwin:
More Morley Nothingburgers on the way
... it comes together with Freddie fries and an extra McAdamsburger.
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Litwin: ... it comes together with Freddie fries and an extra McAdamsburger.
Dear Karl,
The important thing is that you, like all JFKA conspiracy theorists, are full of beans.
Tell Alan Dale at the so-called Education Forum to tell John Newman that KGB officer Sergey Papushin (IJDECANTER / FLASH RUN), the guy who said Oswald was an agent for the Belarussian KGB, was discredited as a source in the Aleksandr Zhomov (PROLOGUE) false-defector case by former Soviet/East European Division Chief Milton Bearden in his book, The Main Enemy, and by one of the CIA analysts who helped uncover Aldrich Ames, Sandra Grimes, in her book, Circle of Treason.
-- Tom
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Amazing.
Honest question, should the CIA be held accountable (or not) for lying to investigators and obstructing investigations into JFK's murder?
Morley exposing the fact that the CIA lied on several occasions about facts related to the Kennedy assassination should be a huge scandal. But according to you, Morley is a bad guy for asking questions and attempting to clear up the historical records which are confusing due to intentional obstruction.
And I don't know where you get the idea that it's only the far-Left that wants accountability from our government. Lots of people who voted for Trump supported his promise to open the Esptein/JFK/MLK/RFK files.
Every time Morley's falsehoods and smears are exposed as being just that you use the "Don't you want to hold the government accountable?" dodge. Whenever Morley has said release this or release that we say, "Yes, release them. The AARB files, Joannides personnel files. Whatever. Release them all."
For the nth time, release Harvey's files. Joannides files. No one here is saying otherwise. There. Satisfied? Hold the people accountable if it's *proven" they did wrong. An allegation is not proof. Again, that answers your question. But you won't answer ours.
Now do you want to address the points that Fred and others have made about his allegations? Or do you not care? What's amazing is that you ignore what Morley says, what he claims people did, what document "X" or "Y" will show. He accuses people of murder, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, framing innocent men, and essentially treason.
And when his claims are found to have no basis, when the evidence he claims that will show this are produced and they don't show it, you don't care.
We get it Jon: You political Left conspiracists want to get the CIA (and now the MAGA Right too). Fine, in some cases you are correct about it. But stop using the assassination as an instrument to do so.
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Every time Morley's falsehoods and smears are exposed as being just that you use the "Don't you want to hold the government accountable?" dodge. Whenever Morley has said release this or release that we say, "Yes, release them. The AARB files, Joannides personnel files. Whatever. Release them all."
For the nth time, release Harvey's files. Joannides files. No one here is saying otherwise. There. Satisfied?
Now do you want to address the points that Fred and others have made about his allegations? Or do you not care? What's amazing is that you ignore what Morley says, what he claims people did, what document "X" or "Y" will show. He accuses people of murder, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, framing innocent men, and essentially treason.
And when his claims are found to have no basis, when the evidence he claims shows this are produced and they don't show it, you don't care.
We get it Jon: You leftwing conspiracists want to get the CIA. Fine, in some cases you are correct about it. But stop using the assassination as an instrument to do so.
Far-Right Trump supporters are just as bad.
As I said somewhere earlier, one of Morley's main writers at JFK Facts (sic) is Chester "Chad" Nagle, Jr., a MAGAT if there ever was one.
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Morley is not saying: "We need a fuller historical understanding of events surrounding the assassination. About what the CIA was doing. Or possibly doing. There are hints that perhaps something worse happened. Acts of omission or acts of commission. Let's find out and hold people accountable."
That's fine. No one objects to that. Or should. But he is saying more than that and it's that more that's the problem.
He says this: "The CIA killed JFK and framed Oswald. And covered it up. Angleton and Joannides and others committed treason. These documents will show it. That's why they are being held."
And when they are released and don't show what he claims, we should just shrug our shoulders and say "Well, he means well"?
He's not asking questions; he making very serious claims. And when those claims are shown to have no basis what should we do? Just give him a pass?