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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Tom Graves on July 01, 2025, 12:29:44 AM
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Gilberto Policarpo Lopez's estranged daughter communicated with me via this forum and by personal e-mail in 2018. She said her father was a violent man and that he was very pro-Castro. I asked her if he could whistle loudly, and she said yes, that he did it all the time when she was young.
It's known that he was hanging out, "waiting for an important phone call," at a Fair Play for Cuba meeting place in Tampa a few days before the assassination, that he got his Mexican Tourist Card in Tampa on 11/20/63, and that he crossed into Mexico at Nuevo Laredo on 11/23/63 and registered at the Roosevelt Hotel in Mexico City at 4 PM on 11/25/63.
According to CIA reports, he was the only passenger on a Cubana Airlines plane flying to Havana from Mexico City on 11/27/63.
She sent me two photos of him by e-mail. I posted one of them on the Internet.
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/b6/d3/f4/b6d3f4db539995ab65af82272db974ba.jpg)
IIRC, she said he sometimes bragged about the large "cargo" plane and the fact that he was its only passenger.
Was Policarpo Lopez the "Oswald" that Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig claimed to hear whistle loudly and watch run down the slope to Elm Street and hop into a Rambler station wagon driven by a dark-complected man about ten minutes after the assassination?
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Gilberto Policarpo Lopez's estranged daughter communicated with me via this forum and by personal e-mail in 2018. She said her father was a violent man and that he was very pro-Castro. I asked her if he could whistle loudly, and she said yes, that he did it all the time when she was young.
It's known that he was hanging out, "waiting for an important phone call," at a Fair Play for Cuba meeting place in Tampa a few days before the assassination, that he got his Mexican Tourist Card in Tampa on 11/20/63, and that he crossed into Mexico at Nuevo Laredo on 11/23/63 and registered at the Roosevelt Hotel in Mexico City at 4 PM on 11/25/63.
According to CIA reports, he was the only passenger on a Cubana Airlines plane flying to Havana from Mexico City on 11/27/63. She sent me two photos of him by e-mail. I posted one of them on the Internet. IIRC, she said he sometimes bragged about the large "cargo" plane and the fact that he was its only passenger.
Was Policarpo Lopez the "Oswald" that Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig claimed to hear whistle loudly and watch run down the slope to Elm Street and hop into a Rambler station wagon driven by a dark-complected man about ten minutes after the assassination?
One, apparently you are unaware that in November 1963 Castro and JFK, through intermediaries, were discussing normalizing relations between the U.S. and Cuba, which was something that Castro strongly desired, so Castro certainly would not have ordered a hit on JFK.
Two, Roger Craig was not the only witness who saw a man/men hurriedly get into a Rambler station wagon right after the shooting.
The HSCA staff report on Dealey Plaza conspiracy witnesses notes that a witness named Richard Randolph Carr saw three men coming from the back of the TSBD and then entering a Rambler station wagon that was parked on the wrong side of the street.
Mrs. James Forrest was standing among some people who had gathered near the grassy knoll after the shooting. She saw a man run from the rear of the TSBD and then enter a Rambler station wagon on Elm Street.
A fourth person, Marvin Robinson, also reported that a man who came from the direction of the TSBD got into a Rambler station wagon.
Another witness, James Worrell, saw a man hurriedly leaving the rear of the Book Depository and running in the opposite direction from Worrell. Worrell said the man was wearing a dark jacket and light pants.
Craig's account of the Rambler station wagon is supported by photographic evidence. One photo shows Craig heading toward the grassy knoll. Another photo shows him standing near the knoll. And another photo shows him standing on the south side of Elm Street looking toward the Book Depository. In the third photo, a light-colored Rambler station wagon can be seen traveling west on Elm Street. In another photograph, Craig can be seen looking toward Elm Street in the general direction of the station wagon.
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Apparently you are unaware that in November 1963 Castro and JFK, through intermediaries, were discussing normalizing relations between the U.S. and Cuba, which was something that Castro strongly desired, so Castro certainly would not have ordered a hit on JFK.
Should Castro and his triple agent, Rolando Cubela, have realized that Desmond FitzGerald wasn't acting with the blessing of JFK or RFK (or was he?) when he gave Cubela the poison pen in Paris?
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In fact, when Castro heard the news about JFK's death, he was meeting with a JFK intermediary to discuss normalizing relations. When he heard the news, he said, "This is bad." JFK had already communicated to him that he didn't care if Castro wouldn't to maintain a Marxist government as long as he did not try to spread revolution in Latin America. JFK had also told him that Cuba would gain many advantages from normalized relations with America. Castro was already tiring of his Soviet bosses. He wanted the economic boost that would come with American investment.
So, again, Castro had no motive to kill JFK. He knew that if he ever tried such a thing and it were traced back to him, this would give the U.S. the excuse to topple his regime.
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In fact, when Castro heard the news about JFK's death, he was meeting with a JFK intermediary to discuss normalizing relations. When he heard the news, he said, "This is bad." JFK had already communicated to him that he didn't care if Castro wouldn't to maintain a Marxist government as long as he did not try to spread revolution in Latin America. JFK had also told him that Cuba would gain many advantages from normalized relations with America. Castro was already tiring of his Soviet bosses. He wanted the economic boost that would come with American investment.
So, again, Castro had no motive to kill JFK. He knew that if he ever tried such a thing and it were traced back to him, this would give the U.S. the excuse to topple his regime.
You don't think JFK and RFK were deviously running two tracks in their dealings with Castro?
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My articles on Gilberto Policarpo Lopez
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/jfk-destiny-betrayed-misleads-on-supposed-tampa-patsy (https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/jfk-destiny-betrayed-misleads-on-supposed-tampa-patsy)
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-gilberto-policarpo-lopez-an-assassin-or-a-patsy (https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-gilberto-policarpo-lopez-an-assassin-or-a-patsy)
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You don't think JFK and RFK were deviously running two tracks in their dealings with Castro?
I think that is entirely possible. I lean toward the view that RFK authorized, or was at least aware of and did nothing to stop, the CIA-Mafia attempts to kill Castro.
Are you saying you believe that Castro and/or Cuban intelligence played a role in the JFK assassination?
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Are you saying you believe that Castro and/or Cuban intelligence played a role in the JFK assassination?
I don't know if Policarpo Lopez was involved, but if Castro and/or Cuban intelligence encouraged Oswald to kill JFK, would that constitute their "being involved in the JFK assassination"?
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I don't know if Policarpo Lopez was involved, but if Castro and/or Cuban intelligence encouraged Oswald to kill JFK, would that constitute their "being involved in the JFK assassination"?
That would make them accessories before the fact and would mean Oswald was part of a conspiracy. If I encourage John Doe to rob a particular bank and he robs that bank, I could be charged with conspiring with John Doe to rob the bank as an accessory before the fact.
Your OP suggests a more direct involvement by Lopez. You say,
Was Policarpo Lopez the "Oswald" that Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig claimed to hear whistle loudly and watch run down the slope to Elm Street and hop into a Rambler station wagon driven by a dark-complected man about ten minutes after the assassination?
Lopez's pre-assassination and post-assassination activities are suspicious, if your account of them is accurate. We know the KGB was aware of, or suspected there was, a plot to kill JFK. It is plausible that they enlisted Cuban intelligence to look into/track/discover the plot. This does not necessarily mean the KGB or Cuban intelligence were behind the plot.
The problem with the Castro-did-it theory is that Castro was actively pursuing better relations with JFK and the U.S. If anything, Castro would have been motivated to discover and prevent any plot against JFK because he knew that the more-hawkish LBJ would become president upon JFK's death.
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That would make them accessories before the fact and would mean Oswald was part of a conspiracy. If I encourage John Doe to rob a particular bank and he robs that bank, I could be charged with conspiring with John Doe to rob the bank as an accessory before the fact.
Your OP suggests a more direct involvement by Lopez. You say,
Lopez's pre-assassination and post-assassination activities are suspicious, if your account of them is accurate. We know the KGB was aware of, or suspected there was, a plot to kill JFK. It is plausible that they enlisted Cuban intelligence to look into/track/discover the plot. This does not necessarily mean the KGB or Cuban intelligence were behind the plot.
The problem with the Castro-did-it theory is that Castro was actively pursuing better relations with JFK and the U.S. If anything, Castro would have been motivated to discover and prevent any plot against JFK because he knew that the more-hawkish LBJ would become president upon JFK's death.
Griffith,
If Castro so trusted JFK and RFK, why did he warn them on 7 September, and why did he have his triple agent, Rolando Cubela, meet with Desmond FitzGerald in Paris on 22 November?
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Griffith,
If Castro so trusted JFK and RFK, why did he warn them on 7 September, and why did he have his triple agent, Rolando Cubela, meet with Desmond FitzGerald in Paris on 22 November?
You might want to read Castro's HSCA interview:
https://www.kennedysandking.com/news-items/hsca-interview-with-fidel-castro
Castro was not about to risk a full-scale U.S. invasion by being involved in any plot against JFK.
Castro, like JFK, was playing a double game, following a two-track policy, sort of a carrot-and-stick approach, seeing which angle worked. The record is clear that by late October, Castro knew JFK was serious about improving relations and was responding positively to JFK's back-channel overtures.
Again, when Castro heard the news of JFK's death, he lamented it, saying, "This is bad news."
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You might want to read Castro's HSCA interview:
https://www.kennedysandking.com/news-items/hsca-interview-with-fidel-castro
Castro was not about to risk a full-scale U.S. invasion by being involved in any plot against JFK.
Castro, like JFK, was playing a double game, following a two-track policy, sort of a carrot-and-stick approach, seeing which angle worked. The record is clear that by late October, Castro knew JFK was serious about improving relations and was responding positively to JFK's back-channel overtures.
Again, when Castro heard the news of JFK's death, he lamented it, saying, "This is bad news."
Did Castro think the evil, evil, evil CIA had gone rogue in Paris?
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Did Castro think the evil, evil, evil CIA had gone rogue in Paris?
I doubt that Castro had much, if any, info on the assassination attempt on De Gaulle.
I do, however, think Castro knew about the CIA to know, or at least suspect, that elements of the CIA sometimes acted contrary to official policy and without presidential knowledge.
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I doubt that Castro had much, if any, info on the assassination attempt on De Gaulle.
Griffith,
I was referring to CIA's Desmond FitzGerald's claiming to be an emissary of RFK and giving a CIA-developed poison pen to Castro-loyal Rolando Cubela in Paris, France, on 11/22/63, with the (mis)understanding that he'd use it to assassinate Fidel Castro.
Perhaps you aren't aware of that.
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Griffith, I was referring to CIA's Desmond FitzGerald's claiming to be an emissary of RFK and giving a CIA-developed poison pen to Castro-loyal Rolando Cubela in Paris, France, on 11/22/63, with the (mis)understanding that he'd use it to assassinate Fidel Castro. Perhaps you aren't aware of that.
Yes, of course I'm aware of that.
You keep dodging questions and posting replies that don't address the points being presented to you.
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You keep dodging questions and posting replies that don't address the points being presented to you.
The subject of this thread is whether or not (according to his estranged daughter) violent, seizure-faking, loud-whistling, pro-Castro Gilberto Policarpo Lopez was the "Oswald" that Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig, standing on the south side of Elm Street near the manhole cover, said he heard whistle loudly a few minutes after the assassination and watch run down the slope and hop into a Rambler station wagon that was being driven by a dark-complected man.