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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Dan O'meara on June 30, 2025, 04:53:38 PM
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This is Royell's most recent post regarding his Huge Gates theory.
It pretty much sums up his thinking on the matter:
"I believe that Assassin(s) Entry and Exit from the TSBD was done via the Huge Gates that were attached to the side of the TSBD along the Elm St. Extension. Officer Luke Mooney gave WC Testimony regarding his walking through these "Wide Open" gates, about 5-6 minutes after the Kill Shot. Mooney then entered the TSBD 1st floor in very close proximity to the stairwell and freight elevators. These gates were "wide open" on the Towner Film prior to the Kill Shot, and are still "Wide Open" after the Kill Shot, (Couch Film). (The gates opened Inward). After walking through the Huge Gates, Officer Mooney testified as to closing them. His closing of these gates would be at about 6-7 minutes after the Kill Shot. (The gates can be seen to be closed on the Martin Film as Amos Euins is filmed on the back of the Officer Harkin's 3 wheel motorcycle racing down the Elm St Ext). The assassin(s) could have easily walked through the "wide open" Huge Gates shortly before shots were fired. They then entered the TSBD 1st Floor and immediately walked up the close by stairwell to the 6th floor. They exited the TSBD in reverse manner and simply mixed into the stunned eyewitnesses outside of the TSBD."
Just to clear up a few inaccuracies.
1) Officer Luke Mooney gave WC Testimony regarding his walking through these "Wide Open" gates, about 5-6 minutes after the Kill Shot.
Mooney does not testify that he walked through the gates about 5 - 6 minutes after the "Kill Shot"
2) His closing of these gates would be at about 6-7 minutes after the Kill Shot.
There is photographic evidence that the gates were still wide open at 12:40 pm
3) The gates can be seen to be closed on the Martin Film as Amos Euins is filmed on the back of the Officer Harkin's 3 wheel motorcycle racing down the Elm St Ext
The gates are wide open in this footage.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/zvjwb2N3/Huge-Gates-Martin.png) (https://postimages.org/)
In the still from the Martin film above it looks like the gates are closed but they're not.
When the gates are wide open they rest against the interior wall. The shadows of the diamond pattern on the gates can be seen being cast against the wall.
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Officer Luke Mooney gave WC Testimony regarding he and 2 other Officers "closed" the "Wide Open" gates. The massive size of these gates required 3 people to "close" them. Mooney also testified that he did Not "lock" them. He said he did not know what might happen after he left those gates. So, they simply pushed the gates closed/ajar. The huge gates we see on the Martin Film are exactly as Mooney left them. Closed/ajar but Not Locked. Those gates are in this same closed/ajar position on "The Three Tramps" photo as the 3 Tramps are being escorted by DPD passed those gates. That photo was taken somewhere between 1:45 - 2:00 hrs after the kill shot. The Martin Film shows Euins on the back of Harkness 3 wheeled motorcycle with the Huge Gates being closed/ajar in the background. Harkness gave WC Testimony of making a 12:36 police radio transmission of having an eyewitness to shot(s) being fired from the TSBD. This eyewitness was Euins. And we see Euins on the 3 wheel motorcycle racing down the Elm St Ext with the huge gates already being closed/ajar. Officer Mooney + 2 other Officers had already walked through/closed the gates prior to Harkness and Euins being captured on the Martin Film. (Remember the Harkness 12:36 police radio transmission). The 12:36 Harkness police radio transmission give us a good timeline for Officer Mooney walking through and closing the Huge Gates.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/zvjwb2N3/Huge-Gates-Martin.png) (https://postimages.org/)
In the still from the Martin film above it looks like the gates are closed but they're not.
When the gates are wide open they rest against the interior wall. The shadows of the diamond pattern on the gates can be seen being cast against the wall.
The Huge "Gate" we see above is closed/ajar. If we could see the other gate, we would see the 2 gates are roughly 2 feet apart. The Three Tramps photo shows these gates to be in the same position we see above. Closed/Ajar. The Three Tramps photo was taken close to 2 hrs after the Kill Shot.
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This scenario seems to fall under the plausible believability scenario.
Someone could have entered.
That doesn’t mean they did.
No-one reported any strangers entering the building. Or Oswald moving about to let someone in.
Who would he have let in?
Some mafia or CIA hitman presumably.
Where’s the verification?
2+2=5
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The Huge "Gate" we see above is closed/ajar. If we could see the other gate, we would see the 2 gates are roughly 2 feet apart. The Three Tramps photo shows these gates to be in the same position we see above. Closed/Ajar. The Three Tramps photo was taken close to 2 hrs after the Kill Shot.
Wrong again.
In the Allen pic below we can see the space where the Huge Gates are is just a rectangular black void. There is no diamond pattern discernible meaning the gates are still "wide open".
The Hertz clock on the TSBD building reads 12:40pm.
The Huge Gates were still open at 12:40pm.
(https://i.postimg.cc/SNpYGDMM/Allen-Walthers-arrow.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w30Bq5Fq)
(https://i.postimg.cc/pdymdSgg/Allen-Walthers-arrowclose.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
As I've already told you, I dealt with this issue years ago.
All it means is that the building was not properly locked down for at least 10 minutes after the shooting.
As I've already stated, the door on the west of the building was never locked down so anyone could come and go as they pleased through that door.
Your made up nonsense about the Huge Gates all being part of a professional plan is a joke that only you don't seem to be getting.
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This scenario seems to fall under the plausible believability scenario.
Someone could have entered.
That doesn’t mean they did.
No-one reported any strangers entering the building. Or Oswald moving about to let someone in.
Who would he have let in?
Some mafia or CIA hitman presumably.
Where’s the verification?
2+2=5
Conspiracy believers will accept almost all sorts of possibilities except Oswald shooting from that window. That one is just too far fetched.
Fake films and phony autopsies? JFK's body hijacked and wounds altered? Sixty years of coverups? Witnesses killed by death teams? News media controlled by the CIA? Sure, go with it. But Oswald with a rifle? Not possible.
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This scenario seems to fall under the plausible believability scenario.
Someone could have entered.
That doesn’t mean they did.
No-one reported any strangers entering the building. Or Oswald moving about to let someone in.
Who would he have let in?
Some mafia or CIA hitman presumably.
Where’s the verification?
2+2=5
Thank you. I have been contacted by many respected JFK Assassination Researchers with the same opinion that you hold. "VERY Plausible". The problem here is that NO ONE has ever gotten into these Huge Gates being "wide open" before, during, and after the Kill Shot. With respect to your, "No-one reported any stranger entering the building", once you walked through those huge gates and then enter the TSBD 1st floor, you are almost on top of the stairwell and freight elevators. You are on the very fringe of the TSBD 1st floor. Even if someone was on the 1st Floor shortly before the assassination, their attention would Not be directed toward the Back corner of that 1st floor. Officer Mooney detailed the entrance being close to the stairwell and freight elevators in his WC Testimony. Mooney was called before the WC to verify his finding the 6th floor Sniper's Nest. But like many testimonies, there are Pearls buried within the testimony that apply to other areas of the JFK Assassination.
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I have been contacted by many respected JFK Assassination Researchers [...]
Storing,
There are no truly-respected-by-the-scientific-and-forensics-community JFK Assassination researchers who agree with any of your wacky JFKA theories.
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Researchers have always been curious as to the possible TSBD entrance and exit avenues for other possible assassins. These Huge Gates answer those questions. They make it very quick and easy to enter and exit the TSBD.
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Unlucky buddy.
Here's the same pic with the Stemmon's sign outlined.
We can see plenty of the space where the gates should be but there's not a diamond in sight.
This is photographic proof that the gates were "wide open" at 12:40pm.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BnSr2fZw/Allen-Walthers-arrowclose2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
It's a bit like this Dillard pic that was taken long after the shooting was over, it almost looks like a different day, but in it we can see the big empty space where the diamond patterns would be if the gates were closed:
(https://i.postimg.cc/BbsCPbNx/Dillard-Gates-open.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Unlucky Royell.
Not even you can argue against solid photographic evidence.
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The Martin film shows the Huge Gates to be "ajar" at roughly 12:37. "The Three Tramps" photo shows the Huge Gates in this same "ajar" position at 1:45 - 2:00 PM. Officer Mooney testified that he closed the Huge Gates at roughly 12:36. This would be BEFORE the Martin Film showed the gates "ajar" at roughly 12:37. Also buried in the Mooney WC testimony is his experiencing the power outage inside the TSBD early on. This would impact the electric clock atop the TSBD. Not gonna get into whatever has been done to that photo. The truck windshield makes this obvious.
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Why would the gates need to be “wide open”? Would it not be easier just to leave them closed but UNLocked?
I’m not really sure why the west door of the TSBD would not be the easier escape rather than going thru this tunnel leading to the gate unless the freight elevators can all the way down to the basement floor beneath the 1st floor?
Did not BW Frazier say he went down to the “basement” after he went back into the TSBD?
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This is Royell's most recent post regarding his Huge Gates theory.
It pretty much sums up his thinking on the matter:
"I believe that Assassin(s) Entry and Exit from the TSBD was done via the Huge Gates that were attached to the side of the TSBD along the Elm St. Extension. Officer Luke Mooney gave WC Testimony regarding his walking through these "Wide Open" gates, about 5-6 minutes after the Kill Shot. Mooney then entered the TSBD 1st floor in very close proximity to the stairwell and freight elevators. These gates were "wide open" on the Towner Film prior to the Kill Shot, and are still "Wide Open" after the Kill Shot, (Couch Film). (The gates opened Inward). After walking through the Huge Gates, Officer Mooney testified as to closing them. His closing of these gates would be at about 6-7 minutes after the Kill Shot. (The gates can be seen to be closed on the Martin Film as Amos Euins is filmed on the back of the Officer Harkin's 3 wheel motorcycle racing down the Elm St Ext). The assassin(s) could have easily walked through the "wide open" Huge Gates shortly before shots were fired. They then entered the TSBD 1st Floor and immediately walked up the close by stairwell to the 6th floor. They exited the TSBD in reverse manner and simply mixed into the stunned eyewitnesses outside of the TSBD."
Just to clear up a few inaccuracies.
1) Officer Luke Mooney gave WC Testimony regarding his walking through these "Wide Open" gates, about 5-6 minutes after the Kill Shot.
Mooney does not testify that he walked through the gates about 5 - 6 minutes after the "Kill Shot"
2) His closing of these gates would be at about 6-7 minutes after the Kill Shot.
There is photographic evidence that the gates were still wide open at 12:40 pm
3) The gates can be seen to be closed on the Martin Film as Amos Euins is filmed on the back of the Officer Harkin's 3 wheel motorcycle racing down the Elm St Ext
The gates are wide open in this footage.
For his next trick, he’ll tell us about his Huge Ackman theory
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Why would the gates need to be “wide open”? Would it not be easier just to leave them closed but UNLocked?
I’m not really sure why the west door of the TSBD would not be the easier escape rather than going thru this tunnel leading to the gate unless the freight elevators can all the way down to the basement floor beneath the 1st floor?
Did not BW Frazier say he went down to the “basement” after he went back into the TSBD?
Using the door would make the assassin(s) visible to a lot of people. Their strange faces would attract the attention of people that work inside that building every day. Taking the stairwell down to the Huge Gates and out onto the Elm St Ext is quick and makes the assassin(s) almost invisible. Same goes for Entering the building and going up to the 6th floor in this same manner.
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For his next trick, he’ll tell us about his Huge Ackman theory
:D :D :D
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FWIW In Darnell the gates appear to be closed.
(https://i.imgur.com/raFAziX.gif)
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FWIW In Darnell the gates appear to be closed.
(https://i.imgur.com/raFAziX.gif)
Hi Robin,
The gate doors are open for Darnell and Couch. This graphic shows the approximate view of Darnell with the doors open and closed.
(https://i.imgur.com/SNigrY6.gif)
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FWIW In Darnell the gates appear to be closed.
(https://i.imgur.com/raFAziX.gif)
Robin - Thanks for posting this Darnell Snippet. The Huge Gates opened Inward. We are seeing from Darnell's position, an angled look at an inward pushed Gate. A "Reverse Negative" Couch Film provides an even better look at the inward pushed/Open Gate. Hope that your JFK Assassination Image Library is OK. I frequently use it here.
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Hi Robin,
The gate doors are open for Darnell and Couch. This graphic shows the approximate view of Darnell with the doors open and closed.
(https://i.imgur.com/SNigrY6.gif)
JAMES - Thanks for posting that visual aid. It drives the point home. I hope you post your work here more often. It is consistently Top Shelf.
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Hi Robin,
The gate doors are open for Darnell and Couch. This graphic shows the approximate view of Darnell with the doors open and closed.
(https://i.imgur.com/SNigrY6.gif)
Excellent animation as per usual, James.
It highlights why Royell can't understand that the gates are wide open in the Martin film.
Towards the end of the clip below we see Sawyer, cigarette in hand, leading Brennan to his car where he briefly questions him.
For a second we see the gates in the closed position and I believe we also see the "citizen" that Mooney grabbed to make sure no-one went in or out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FsmDtNPh/Aluea-Sawyer-2.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
I've watched this clip many times and get the impression that the gates have just been closed and the citizen is securing them (possibly)
We know from the photographic record the gates were wide open at 12:40pm (Hertz clock time)
I believe this actual moment can be pinpointed with some degree of accuracy.
After his conversation with Brennan, Sawyer contacts dispatch:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Gmk1z7X2/sawyertranscript.png) (https://postimages.org/)
This transmission is timestamped 12:44pm
However, there is a slightly earlier transmission from Saywer.
At some point, just before a timestamp of 12:43pm, Sawyer contacts dispatch:
"We need some more men down at the Texas School Book Depository. We should have some on Main if we could get someone to pick up and bring them down here."
This transmission is made just before 12:43pm. We can assume Sawyer makes it as soon as he gets into his car and before he questions Brennan.
So we're looking at the closing of these gates around 12:41pm.
Exactly as you have marked in your animation.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/zvjwb2N3/Huge-Gates-Martin.png) (https://postimages.org/)
In the still from the Martin film above it looks like the gates are closed but they're not.
When the gates are wide open they rest against the interior wall. The shadows of the diamond pattern on the gates can be seen being cast against the wall.
I believe we are seeing the gate just as it was on the film footage of Euins & Brehm being loaded into Sawyers car, and "The Three Tramps" photo. The Gate is Closed/Ajar. If the gate in the background of this Martin Film still frame was "wide open", (inward), as Officer Mooney testified, there would Not be the Open Space to permit the placards to be casting the shadows Behind them. There is obviously Open Space between the Placards and the shadows they are casting. Also, look at the Gate middle crossbar relative to the casing the Gate is attached to. There is very little angle between that crossbar and the door casing. That crossbar is running almost directly into the casing.
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I believe we are seeing the gate just as it was on the film footage of Euins & Brehm being loaded into Sawyers car, and "The Three Tramps" photo. The Gate is Closed/Ajar. If the gate in the background of this Martin Film still frame was "wide open", (inward), as Officer Mooney testified, there would Not be the Open Space to permit the placards to be casting the shadows Behind them. There is obviously Open Space between the Placards and the shadows they are casting. Also, look at the Gate middle crossbar relative to the casing the Gate is attached to. There is very little angle between that crossbar and the door casing. That crossbar is running almost directly into the casing.
Royell, it appears to me from the animation that the eastern gate was rotated about 14 degrees from the wall at 12:40.
(https://i.imgur.com/WIBzN99.gif)
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JAMES - Thanks for posting that animated visual aid. Remember that the Huge Gates were attached to the side of the TSBD. I do not believe the placard shadows are being cast onto "the wall"/"the side" of the TSBD. This is throwing off the animation measurements being posted. Those placard shadows look like they are being cast onto something stacked there. No side of the TSBD resembles what we are seeing on the Martin Film. There are dock doors on that same side of the TSBD 1st floor. Dock doors possibly being built into what we are seeing on the Martin Film? I don't think so.
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JAMES - Thanks for posting that animated visual aid. Remember that the Huge Gates were attached to the side of the TSBD. I do not believe the placard shadows are being cast onto "the wall"/"the side" of the TSBD. This is throwing off the animation measurements being posted. Those placard shadows look like they are being cast onto something stacked there. No side of the TSBD resembles what we are seeing on the Martin Film. There are dock doors on that same side of the TSBD 1st floor. Dock doors possibly being built into what we are seeing on the Martin Film? I don't think so.
Storing,
What are you trying to say?
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I am saying we are Not seeing a common wall between the TSBD and the Huge Gates. We are probably looking at something that is stacked there. Maybe something staged for for loading onto a truck? The degree numbers are based on that being the common wall. It is not.
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JAMES - Thanks for posting that animated visual aid. Remember that the Huge Gates were attached to the side of the TSBD. I do not believe the placard shadows are being cast onto "the wall"/"the side" of the TSBD. This is throwing off the animation measurements being posted. Those placard shadows look like they are being cast onto something stacked there. No side of the TSBD resembles what we are seeing on the Martin Film. There are dock doors on that same side of the TSBD 1st floor. Dock doors possibly being built into what we are seeing on the Martin Film? I don't think so.
Royell, to model your theory of a space between the east gate at its fully open position I modeled the effect of the space by incrementally moving the east gate westward, thus generating a variable space between the gate and the “wall”. At each increment I animated the gates rotation until it gave a shadow pattern similar to that of Martin_Euins fillm. I did this procedure for simulated space increments up to 12”.
The data shows that the larger the space the smaller amount of gate rotation is required to compare with Martin_Euins shadow patterns. Thus, the maximum rotation falls at about 14 degrees.
(https://i.imgur.com/8vrJJ9p.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5Rh4r3a.gif)
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I understand the method you used. It is my position that we are Not seeing the TSBD "Exterior Wall" on the Martin Film. The placard shadows on the Martin Film are falling onto something that is "stacked" between the TSBD Exterior Wall and the East Gate. This stacked material decreases the "open space" your model is using to match-up the shadows with the Martin Film. The Martin Film "placard shadows" are being cast onto something that does Not resemble any of the other exterior sides of the TSBD.
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Excellent animation as per usual, James.
It highlights why Royell can't understand that the gates are wide open in the Martin film.
Towards the end of the clip below we see Sawyer, cigarette in hand, leading Brennan to his car where he briefly questions him.
For a second we see the gates in the closed position and I believe we also see the "citizen" that Mooney grabbed to make sure no-one went in or out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FsmDtNPh/Aluea-Sawyer-2.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
I've watched this clip many times and get the impression that the gates have just been closed and the citizen is securing them (possibly)
We know from the photographic record the gates were wide open at 12:40pm (Hertz clock time)
I believe this actual moment can be pinpointed with some degree of accuracy.
After his conversation with Brennan, Sawyer contacts dispatch:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Gmk1z7X2/sawyertranscript.png) (https://postimages.org/)
This transmission is timestamped 12:44pm
However, there is a slightly earlier transmission from Saywer.
At some point, just before a timestamp of 12:43pm, Sawyer contacts dispatch:
"We need some more men down at the Texas School Book Depository. We should have some on Main if we could get someone to pick up and bring them down here."
This transmission is made just before 12:43pm. We can assume Sawyer makes it as soon as he gets into his car and before he questions Brennan.
So we're looking at the closing of these gates around 12:41pm.
Exactly as you have marked in your animation.
Here is the scene following Jimmy Darnell’s close and personal filming of the three young women Stella Jacob, Gloria Holt and Sharon Simmons as they left the pergola patio. The scene finds him south of the depository doorway. We see Howard Brennan in the NE corner of the landing as he turns and spits (his chew?) into the space between the steps and white door column block and then returns to his interviewer. A police officer, possibly Inspector Sawyer, passes Brennan and interviewer and descends the steps moving in the westerly direction of Sawyer’s parked car. Near the west wall stands an approximate 5’1” person I’ve code-named “Choir Boy”. There is a suited man with hat standing at the doorway apparently screening people entering or leaving the doorway. I’ve never known his name. Some frames of this clip show a brief refection of sunlight on the top riser just behind this man. This brief flash of sunshine is suitable for shadow/time analysis. Lower steps also have possible use for timing, but are likely composite shadows from the door column and Choir Boy. The second animation was derived by modeling the doorway and 50% overlay with a Darnell frame. The sun position was incremented from 12:30-12:50. It appears to me that the shadow time of this Darnell scene is 12:43, with an estimated error of plus/minus 1 minute.
Note that the image hosting site imgur.com recently stopped (seemingly) providing BBC code for image display in this forum. Until I find a replacement I will add images to Google Drive.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WlZ2SxYEfrRCOoBegqpxce5vOhXu5tLE?usp=sharing
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I understand the method you used. It is my position that we are Not seeing the TSBD "Exterior Wall" on the Martin Film. The placard shadows on the Martin Film are falling onto something that is "stacked" between the TSBD Exterior Wall and the East Gate. This stacked material decreases the "open space" your model is using to match-up the shadows with the Martin Film. The Martin Film "placard shadows" are being cast onto something that does Not resemble any of the other exterior sides of the TSBD.
Dissecting the Shadows
I began to try to model the shadows in the Euins clip two weeks ago, but had difficulty matching two prominent shadows in particular. These shadows appear below the center and above the two lower placards. In my animation the Martin inset has these two shadows circled in yellow.
The shadow on the right is due to the corner pilaster falling on the background. Note that the rectangular shape of the shadow tapers to point. This does not happen on a vertical surface, bricks or boxes. The east gate is anchored to the SW pilaster and is therefore only about six to eight inches from the TSBD’s west wall. There remains holes in this pilaster where the gate hardware was fixed.
The second shadow on the left side is due to the center placard and would look similar to the other placard shadows falling on the flat wall. However, this shadow is shortened to about half its expected size. This is due to falling on a sloped surface as in the lower (Google Earth) inset photo taken of that very pilaster in the Martin frame.
My animation has a simulated sloped top and provides the anomalous shadow patterns. My slope is a flat incline while the authentic slope appears to have curvature. I don’t think that could change my conclusions.
The background behind the east gate is actually the TSBD west wall. The Martin frames are soft making the brickwork essentially blended in with the mortar. Also note that nether the chain-link fence or TSBD south face breeze blocks cutouts are resolved.
It is not just Martin’s Euins scene where bricks and mortar are unresolved and appear blended as one continuous surface. Martin and Hughes both filmed with their 8mm film cameras and recorded similar scenes of brickwork of the TSBD and DalTex buildings that do not have resolved brick/mortar. I could not find even one frame from Martin or Hughes frames showing resolved brick and mortar.
https://i.imgur.com/a/cZ837E2.gif
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Dissecting the Shadows
I began to try to model the shadows in the Euins clip two weeks ago, but had difficulty matching two prominent shadows in particular. These shadows appear below the center and above the two lower placards. In my animation the Martin inset has these two shadows circled in yellow.
The shadow on the right is due to the corner pilaster falling on the background. Note that the rectangular shape of the shadow tapers to point. This does not happen on a vertical surface, bricks or boxes. The east gate is anchored to the SW pilaster and is therefore only about six to eight inches from the TSBD’s west wall. There remains holes in this pilaster where the gate hardware was fixed.
The second shadow on the left side is due to the center placard and would look similar to the other placard shadows falling on the flat wall. However, this shadow is shortened to about half its expected size. This is due to falling on a sloped surface as in the lower (Google Earth) inset photo taken of that very pilaster in the Martin frame.
My animation has a simulated sloped top and provides the anomalous shadow patterns. My slope is a flat incline while the authentic slope appears to have curvature. I don’t think that could change my conclusions.
The background behind the east gate is actually the TSBD west wall. The Martin frames are soft making the brickwork essentially blended in with the mortar. Also note that nether the chain-link fence or TSBD south face breeze blocks cutouts are resolved.
It is not just Martin’s Euins scene where bricks and mortar are unresolved and appear blended as one continuous surface. Martin and Hughes both filmed with their 8mm film cameras and recorded similar scenes of brickwork of the TSBD and DalTex buildings that do not have resolved brick/mortar. I could not find even one frame from Martin or Hughes frames showing resolved brick and mortar.
https://i.imgur.com/a/cZ837E2.gif
Hi James, I was just wondering, if you assume the angle of the gate is zero (fully opened - as it appears to be in other pics) can you work out the exact time the Martin clip of Euins on the bike was taken as this might nail down the time Sawyer arrived at the TSBD building.
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Hi James, I was just wondering, if you assume the angle of the gate is zero (fully opened - as it appears to be in other pics) can you work out the exact time the Martin clip of Euins on the bike was taken as this might nail down the time Sawyer arrived at the TSBD building.
Dan,
Using an angle of 0 degrees gives a shadow pattern for about 12:28. That is not a typo. At 12:40 the angle is 3-4 degrees to match the shadow pattern. So, I can't determine the time from of Martin_Euins clip. I wish I could.
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Dissecting the Shadows
I began to try to model the shadows in the Euins clip two weeks ago, but had difficulty matching two prominent shadows in particular. These shadows appear below the center and above the two lower placards. In my animation the Martin inset has these two shadows circled in yellow.
The shadow on the right is due to the corner pilaster falling on the background. Note that the rectangular shape of the shadow tapers to point. This does not happen on a vertical surface, bricks or boxes. The east gate is anchored to the SW pilaster and is therefore only about six to eight inches from the TSBD’s west wall. There remains holes in this pilaster where the gate hardware was fixed.
The second shadow on the left side is due to the center placard and would look similar to the other placard shadows falling on the flat wall. However, this shadow is shortened to about half its expected size. This is due to falling on a sloped surface as in the lower (Google Earth) inset photo taken of that very pilaster in the Martin frame.
My animation has a simulated sloped top and provides the anomalous shadow patterns. My slope is a flat incline while the authentic slope appears to have curvature. I don’t think that could change my conclusions.
The background behind the east gate is actually the TSBD west wall. The Martin frames are soft making the brickwork essentially blended in with the mortar. Also note that nether the chain-link fence or TSBD south face breeze blocks cutouts are resolved.
It is not just Martin’s Euins scene where bricks and mortar are unresolved and appear blended as one continuous surface. Martin and Hughes both filmed with their 8mm film cameras and recorded similar scenes of brickwork of the TSBD and DalTex buildings that do not have resolved brick/mortar. I could not find even one frame from Martin or Hughes frames showing resolved brick and mortar.
https://i.imgur.com/a/cZ837E2.gif
The "sloping" is because you are Not seeing the side of the TSBD. There is something staged/stacked there for loading into a truck. As Luke Mooney said in his WC Testimony, that is a Dock behind the Huge Gates with a grocery warehouse. The staging of material for loading is standard operating procedure on any dock. This makes those Huge Gates being "wide open" all the more un-explainable. You have an unattended grocery warehouse and staged material just ripe for the pickings.