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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Tom Graves on June 15, 2025, 12:03:04 PM

Title: "Mr. Papich would like to know . . . "
Post by: Tom Graves on June 15, 2025, 12:03:04 PM

Note: The handwriting in CIA Document 592-252B https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=77234#relPageId=3 has been identified by author (and CIA documents expert) John M. Newman as that of probable KGB “mole” Bruce Solie.

Background:

Sam Papich was the FBI’s liaison to the CIA. On 2 November 1959, three days after Lee Harvey Oswald defected to the USSR, Papich, having read about the defection in the papers and/or been told about it by his FBI colleagues, called CIA Counterintelligence Chief James Angleton’s liaison to the FBI, Jane Roman, and asked her if she knew anything about Oswald. Roman didn’t but told Papich that she’d check with the CIA’s Office of Security and let him know. She sent the above query to Solie that same day, and two days later, Solie told her in so many words (above) that he had spoken with Papich and told him, “No.”

What’s interesting is that someone, probably Solie, had arranged in advance with the Records Integration Division and the Office of Mail Logistics for all non-CIA cables about Oswald’s (upcoming) defection to be sent to Solie’s office in the Office of Security rather than to where they would normally go — the Soviet Russia Division.

Equally interesting in the fact that the Navy Department, having received an ominous cable about Oswald’s defection from its attaché in Moscow, sent the FBI and the CIA a cable on 4 November advising them that Oswald had threatened to commit espionage against the U.S.

Solie had, therefore, possibly received this cable before he’d answered Papich’s question and sent the above reply to Roman.

What’s probably most interesting of all, however, is the fact that this ominous-sounding Navy Department cable, like Consul Richard Snyder’s equally threatening cable to State and CIA, disappeared into a “black hole” in Solie’s office and didn’t resurface at the CIA until thirty-one days later, when it finally arrived at Angleton’s mole-hunting Special Interest Group (CI/SIG).

That, and the fact that it (and Snyder's cable) didn’t become known in other parts of the CIA until after the assassination of JFK.

PS What I find particularly fascinating is that on 19 June 1964, Angleton, in an attempt to convince a KGB defector, Anatoliy Golitsyn, to continue working with Solie, told Golitsyn in the presence of CIA’s David E. Murphy and Ray Rocca that Solie’s office (the Research Branch of the Office of Security’s mole-hunting Security Research Staff) was the only office he was absolutely sure wasn’t penetrated by the KGB. (Scroll to digital page 48) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95595#relPageId=48&search=office Note: "S" = Golitsyn (his codename was John Stone), "A" = Angleton, "M" = Murphy, and "R" = Rocca

LOL!

Oh, and the fact that Newman believes that Solie (who “cleared” false defector Yuri Nosenko in October 1968) had sent (or duped Angleton into sending) Oswald to Moscow in late 1959 as an ostensible “dangle” in a (unbeknownst to Angleton and Oswald) planned-to-fail hunt for “Popov’s U-2 Mole” (Solie) in the wrong part of the CIA — the Soviet Russia Division.

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Note: In footnote 98 on page 48 in his 2022 book, Uncovering Popov’s Mole, National Archives denizen John M. Newman writes:

The original CIA document 592-252B, appears to have been changed, with "Mr. Papich" having been whited out and the unfamiliar initials "RBI" placed in the space. The real document with Papich's name was released in 1993 in the CIA's 201 file on Oswald. That it was Papich who made the "oral" request to CIA's Counterintelligence Liaison element [Jane Roman] is recorded in the CIA released documents list.