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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Michael T. Griffith on June 05, 2025, 02:45:38 PM
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For those here who also post in the Education Forum (JFK Assassination Debate), and especially for any newcomers to the JFK case, be advised that the Education Forum has largely become a propaganda organ for the fringe theories of the discredited crackpot L. Fletcher Prouty and for the radical liberal view of the JFK assassination. Most of the Education Forum's moderators are not only devoted Prouty disciples but are also 9/11 Truthers. Recently they have started suspending anyone who posts evidence of Prouty's prolonged association with Holocaust deniers, white supremacists, and anti-Semites, among other problems with Prouty's record and claims. One of the moderators has even accused me and others of being CIA/military intelligence disinformation agents for pointing out Prouty's sleazy record and nutty claims.
The Education Forum used to be the premier forum for JFK assassination debate and research sharing. Now, if you do a search for posts in the forum for the last year or two, you will find threads that peddle the obscene 9/11 Truther claims, that argue that John Lennon and Princess Diana were assassinated by "the Secret Team," that defend Prouty's wacky theory that Churchill had FDR poisoned, that argue that the Israelis played a role in JFK's death, that literally repeat Hamas propaganda about Israel and the Arab-Israeli wars, that repeat Prouty's debunked smear that Edward Lansdale played a key role in JFK's death and that Lansdale was even in Dealey Plaza during the shooting, that repeat the Prouty-Stone-Newman myth that JFK was going to unconditionally withdraw from Vietnam after the election, that repeat the far left's view of the Vietnam War, etc., etc. You get the idea.
There are still some credible researchers who post valuable research in the Education Forum, but, sadly, their research is lumped in with the kind of disreputable material mentioned above. In most cases, for every one worthwhile post in the forum, there are two or three unserious, extremist, fringe posts.
I am not saying to avoid the Education Forum. I am saying that people need to understand what the Education Forum has become.
In terms of being able to express your views without fear of unreasonable censorship, this forum is a much better forum than the Education Forum. Another forum for open discussion on the JFK case is the history forum of the U.S. Message Board, but the subject is only discussed there intermittently.
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For those here who also post in the Education Forum (JFK Assassination Debate), and especially for any newcomers to the JFK case, be advised that the Education Forum has largely become a propaganda organ for the fringe theories of the discredited crackpot L. Fletcher Prouty and for the radical liberal view of the JFK assassination. Most of the Education Forum's moderators are not only devoted Prouty disciples but are also 9/11 Truthers. Recently they have started suspending anyone who posts evidence of Prouty's prolonged association with Holocaust deniers, white supremacists, and anti-Semites, among other problems with Prouty's record and claims. One of the moderators has even accused me and others of being CIA/military intelligence disinformation agents for pointing out Prouty's sleazy record and nutty claims.
The Education Forum used to be the premier forum for JFK assassination debate and research sharing. Now, if you do a search for posts in the forum for the last year or two, you will find threads that peddle the obscene 9/11 Truther claims, that argue that John Lennon and Princess Diana were assassinated by "the Secret Team," that defend Prouty's whacky theory that Churchill had FDR poisoned, that argue that the Israelis played a role in JFK's death, that literally repeat Hamas propaganda about Israel and the Arab-Israeli wars, that repeat Prouty's debunked smear that Edward Lansdale played a key role in JFK's death and that Lansdale was even in Dealey Plaza during the shooting, that repeat the Prouty-Stone-Newman myth that JFK was going to unconditionally withdraw from Vietnam after the election, that repeat the far left's view of the Vietnam War, etc., etc. You get the idea.
There are still some credible researchers who post valuable research in the Education Forum, but, sadly, their research is lumped in with the kind of disreputable material mentioned above. In most cases, for every one worthwhile post in the forum, there are two or three unserious, extremist, fringe posts.
I am not saying to avoid the Education Forum. I am saying that people need to understand what the Education Forum has become.
In terms of being able to express your views without fear of unreasonable censorship, this forum is a much better forum than the Education Forum. Another forum for open discussion on the JFK case is the history forum of the U.S. Message Board, but the subject is only discussed there intermittently.
Back in the day, the Ed Forum was pretty much a Far-Left hangout. With the advent of QAnon (can you say Mike Flynn?) and the installation of Trump by "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin, etc., etc., the Far-Right have moved in and appropriated many of the tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories as well as the term "Deep State."
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"Premier?" LOL, I don't know about that.
It's always been that way, Mike. Always. And there are plenty of fruitcakes here too and everywhere else.
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[The JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum] always been that way [i.e., a place where people peddle the obscene 9/11 Truther claims, that argue that John Lennon and Princess Diana were assassinated by "the Secret Team," that defend Prouty's whacky theory that Churchill had FDR poisoned, that argue that the Israelis played a role in JFK's death, that literally repeat Hamas propaganda about Israel and the Arab-Israeli wars, that repeat Prouty's debunked smear that Edward Lansdale played a key role in JFK's death], Mike. Always. And there are plenty of fruitcakes here, too, and everywhere else. -- edited by TG
All JFKA conspiracy theorists (like Robert "That Dirty Democrat LBJ Did It" Morrow, for example) are fruitcakes, imho.
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"Premier?" LOL, I don't know about that.
It's always been that way, Mike. Always. And there are plenty of fruitcakes here too and everywhere else.
Oh, I know it's always been left leaning, but I think it has gotten much worse in the last two to three years.
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To further show what is going on with the Education Forum, just today I was suspended from posting in the forum for 8 days by a moderator named "W. Niederhut," an ardent Prouty believer and a 9/11 Truther, for saying that Prouty had no role in writing NSAM 263 and the McNamara-Taylor report and that writing NSAMs and cabinet-level trip reports was not part of his responsibilities. Of course, it didn't matter that what I said was perfectly true. This is another example of how fringe the Education Forum is becoming because of its far-left moderators.
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To further show what is going on with the Education Forum, just today I was suspended from posting in the forum for 8 days by a moderator named "W. Niederhut," an ardent Prouty believer and a 9/11 Truther, for saying that Prouty had no role in writing NSAM 263 and the McNamara-Taylor report and that writing NSAMs and cabinet-level trip reports was not part of his responsibilities. Of course, it didn't matter that what I said was perfectly true. This is another example of how fringe the Education Forum is becoming because of its far-left moderators.
There are all kinds of tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorists (like you and Niederhut, for example).
Regardless, "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin cherishes all of you for helping to make our body politic cynical, paranoiac, and apathetic because it's something the KGB has been working towards since 1959 when it set up Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today's SVR) and Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate (today's FSB).
The only good thing about Niederhut is that he's anti-Trump and anti-Putin.
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Do I need to go over there and put things in order?
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Do I need to go over there and put things in order?
Storing,
I'm pretty sure you'd feel more at home in Russia.
Heck, "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin would probably put you right to work in his disinformation department.
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I'm not much with the cold. That's why I'm stationed here in the U.S.
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I'm not much with the cold. That's why I'm stationed here in the U.S.
"Perhaps it's time for you to come in from the cold, Comrade Storing."
-- Vladimir Putin
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Storing,
I'm pretty sure you'd feel more at home in Russia.
Heck, "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin would probably put you right to work in his disinformation department.
Can you explain why you believe that anyone who posits a conspiracy in the JFK case is pro-Russian? Is it because Putin believes there was a conspiracy and because the KGB concluded there was a conspiracy? Putin also believes radical Muslims are dangerous. Does that mean that anyone who believes radical Muslims are dangerous is pro-Russian? Putin believes the Moon landings were real. Does that mean that anyone who believes the Moon landings were real is pro-Russian?
Why do you keep labeling anyone who rejects the lone-gunman theory as pro-Russian?
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If I go over there, I will need someone manning my 6. We gotta lotta talkers here on this forum. I require someone with a backbone. China Joe supportin' wannabes need Not apply.
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If I go over there, I will need someone manning my 6. We gotta lotta talkers here on this forum. I require someone with a backbone. China Joe supportin' wannabes need Not apply.
Well, just be advised that the Education Forum is firmly in the grip of ultra-liberals. The majority of the moderators are also 9/11 Truthers.
There are some rational, temperate, non-fringe members in the forum, but they are not moderators.
Some of the moderators, especially W. Niederhut, are dishonest, based on my experience with them. They sometimes delete or hide replies that they don't like, and they are not above using their power to impose suspensions for no valid reason.
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Well, just be advised that the Education Forum is firmly in the grip of ultra-liberals. The majority of the moderators are also 9/11 Truthers.
There are some rational, temperate, non-fringe members in the forum, but they are not moderators.
Some of the moderators, especially W. Niederhut, are dishonest, based on my experience with them. They sometimes delete or hide replies that they don't like, and they are not above using their power to impose suspensions for no valid reason.
Once inna great while I take a peep at the posts over there. Nothing outta the box. Nothing new. Extremely stuffy too. Makes me feel like I am walking through Khazad-Dum. ("Lord Of The Rings"). Lotta dead stuff.
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Once inna great while I take a peep at the posts over there. Nothing outta the box. Nothing new. Extremely stuffy too. Makes me feel like I am walking through Khazad-Dum. ("Lord Of The Rings"). Lotta dead stuff.
Greg Doudna, one of the most careful and credible researchers around, posts there, and the stuff he posts is solid and sometimes actually very important. I wish he would post here too. He's done tremendous research on the Tippit shooting and has found evidence that points away from Oswald. He's posted links and summaries of this research in the forum.
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Greg Doudna, one of the most careful and credible researchers around, posts there, and the stuff he posts is solid and sometimes actually very important. I wish he would post here too. He's done tremendous research on the Tippit shooting and has found evidence that points away from Oswald. He's posted links and summaries of this research in the forum.
Doudna's a snake in the grass, imho.
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Doudna's a snake in the grass, imho.
Wow, you are way off. Greg is one of the nicest, most straightforward guys you will ever meet. He is a wonderful human being. He is also a meticulous researcher and is not afraid to announce when his findings contradict some cherished aspect of the conspiracy scenario. If you look up Greg's posts in the Education Forum, you'll see Greg has debunked a number of claims made by many conspiracy theorists. In a few cases, just a few, I have disagreed with Greg and have believed he was being too cautious, but I've never had any reason to doubt Greg's sincerity.