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Title: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 09, 2025, 10:00:17 PM
This is from the Zapruder Film lead-in segment... This fellow is at the bench and looks like he's turning his head...
No one has ever mentioned this fellow being present... Maybe he was scrubbed from the film by some means... But here he is!


(https://i.ibb.co/84DGRx9F/ezgif-com-resize-31.gif)

(https://i.ibb.co/Tqq6Q9yg/ezgif-com-animated-gif-maker-10.gif)
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Steve Barber on May 10, 2025, 05:17:31 AM
This is from the Zapruder Film lead-in segment... This fellow is at the bench and looks like he's turning his head...
No one has ever mentioned this fellow being present... Maybe he was scrubbed from the film by some means... But here he is!


(https://i.ibb.co/84DGRx9F/ezgif-com-resize-31.gif)

(https://i.ibb.co/Tqq6Q9yg/ezgif-com-animated-gif-maker-10.gif)

  How about you knock it off with insulting peoples' inteligence, Jake?  Cool it with the use of inferior copies of Zapruder film frames, spreading your tripe in here.
You'll never get away with what you're trying to do in here with people like Duncan, John Mytton, Charles Collins and myself, who know what you're trying to do. 

 Here's the frame from a superior National Archives copy of the Zapruder film.  There is no "fellow" anywhere near Mrs. Beatrice Hester, seated on the bench.
Do yourself a favor and stop it with the nonsense.


  (https://i.imgur.com/39vy83Z.png)
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 10, 2025, 06:00:29 PM
How about you knock it off with insulting peoples' inteelligence, Jake?  Cool it with the use of inferior copies of Zapruder film frames, spreading your tripe in here.
You'll never get away with what you're trying to do in here with people like Duncan, John Mytton, Charles Collins and myself, who know what you're trying to do. 

 Here's the frame from a superior National Archives copy of the Zapruder film.  There is no "fellow" anywhere near Mrs. Beatrice Hester, seated on the bench.
Do yourself a favor and stop it with the nonsense.


Most forum members are inquisitive enough to want to know who this fellow is...
Also, if your copy doesn't show this image, you are looking at a "sanitized" version of Zapruder, regardless of the source...
And most likely your "friends" would appreciate speaking for themselves...


(https://i.ibb.co/rKFF8ppP/Screenshot-2025-05-10-at-12-52-36-PM.png)

Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Steve Barber on May 10, 2025, 11:30:23 PM

Most forum members are inquisitive enough to want to know who this fellow is...
Also, if your copy doesn't show this image, you are looking at a "sanitized" version of Zapruder, regardless of the source...
And most likely your "friends" would appreciate speaking for themselves...


(https://i.ibb.co/rKFF8ppP/Screenshot-2025-05-10-at-12-52-36-PM.png)

 "Most forum members"?  Speaking of forum members speaking for themselves... I don't think you know the meaning of the phrase.
There is no "fellow" where you say there's a "fellow". All copies of the Z film show the same thing.  It's the backrest of the park bench
not a person. 

 Not only does "my" copy not show a "fellow"-none of them do!  You have a wild and imagination, Jake.  It's not possible for there to be any "fellow"
where you say there is one, and there's no such thing as a "sanitized version of the Zapruder film", except forthe one in your  mind.

  You make things up.
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 11, 2025, 12:29:11 AM
"Most forum members"?  Speaking of forum members speaking for themselves... I don't think you know the meaning of the phrase.
There is no "fellow" where you say there's a "fellow". All copies of the Z film show the same thing.  It's the backrest of the park bench
not a person. 

 Not only does "my" copy not show a "fellow"-none of them do!  You have a wild and imagination, Jake.  It's not possible for there to be any "fellow"
where you say there is one, and there's no such thing as a "sanitized version of the Zapruder film", except forthe one in your  mind.

  You make things up.


Rant on... it won't change the facts that most folks can see...

(https://i.ibb.co/LDKT6sTW/Screenshot-2025-05-10-at-7-17-53-PM.png)
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Steve Barber on May 11, 2025, 12:35:11 AM

Rant on... it won't change the facts that most folks can see...

(https://i.ibb.co/LDKT6sTW/Screenshot-2025-05-10-at-7-17-53-PM.png)

  :D :D   Where are the "folks" who "can see"? Name them. You're all alone, and you're not playing with a full deck!

   
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: John Mytton on May 11, 2025, 05:23:20 AM
(https://blogs.egu.eu/network/water-underground/files/2017/03/dude-wtf.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9fm5tp73/Zapruder-pre-assassination-bench.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Tom Graves on May 11, 2025, 06:59:44 AM
(https://blogs.egu.eu/network/water-underground/files/2017/03/dude-wtf.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9fm5tp73/Zapruder-pre-assassination-bench.gif)

JohnM

Before you so brazenly altered it, JohnM, EVERYONE could SEE that Jake [and deleted] had discovered the evil, evil, evil CIA MASTERMIND hiding in the PERGOLA!!!
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Steve Barber on May 11, 2025, 04:08:06 PM
Before you so brazenly altered it, JohnM, EVERYONE could SEE that Jake and Steve had discovered the evil, evil, evil CIA MASTERMIND hiding in the PERGOLA!!!

 Excuse me?!  Tom Graves, Steve did no such thing as claim that what Jake is saying is a "fellow", person, gunman-whatever-in the Zapruder frame he posted!
Why donn't you go back and read my posts ridiculing Jake's totally absurd nonsense!

 Nothing
Jake Maxwell posts is anything but garbage!
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Royell Storing on May 11, 2025, 04:33:14 PM

  Separate issue here. We always hear about Zapruder abruptly stopping his filming when he realized the JFK Limo was Not directly behind the 3 Lead DPD Motorcycle Cops that he filmed turning from Houston St onto Elm St. The claim being that Zapruder wanted to "save film" for the actual filming of JFK coming down Elm St inside the Limo. Well, Zapruder obviously was Not worried about having enough film when he wasted film on this "Golly Gee" park bench scene.   
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 12, 2025, 12:28:16 AM
(https://blogs.egu.eu/network/water-underground/files/2017/03/dude-wtf.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9fm5tp73/Zapruder-pre-assassination-bench.gif)

JohnM



This is a perfect example of how some Zapruder copies have been "sanitized" and scrubbed of images like this face with what appears to be sunglasses and a hat...
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: John Mytton on May 12, 2025, 01:09:32 AM


This is a perfect example of how some Zapruder copies have been "sanitized" and scrubbed of images like this face with what appears to be sunglasses and a hat...

Hi Jake,

Is the man pretending to be a bench and waits for pretty women to come sit on him?

(https://i.postimg.cc/FzM3pbQQ/man-pretending-to-be-chair.jpg)

JohnM
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 12, 2025, 11:36:37 PM

Maybe this fellow is on a walkie talkie...

(https://i.ibb.co/gZWj2frF/ezgif-com-resize-35.gif)
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 12, 2025, 11:39:26 PM


Maybe this fellow is on a walkie talkie...

(https://i.ibb.co/gZWj2frF/ezgif-com-resize-35.gif)
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 12, 2025, 11:41:00 PM
Hi Jake,

Is the man pretending to be a bench and waits for pretty women to come sit on him?

(https://i.postimg.cc/FzM3pbQQ/man-pretending-to-be-chair.jpg)

JohnM


No... but possibly waiting for a report from his walkie talkie on the location of the motorcade...

(https://i.ibb.co/bSsW8c3/ezgif-com-resize-35.gif)
(https://i.ibb.co/gZWj2frF/ezgif-com-resize-35.gif)
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Royell Storing on May 13, 2025, 01:57:02 AM

  The alleged guy's head is at the level of the Bench Backrest. He would have to be sitting on the ground. Probably invisible too. He's close enough to scratch Mrs Hester's back.
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 13, 2025, 01:03:51 PM
Maybe this fellow is on a walkie talkie...

(https://i.ibb.co/gZWj2frF/ezgif-com-resize-35.gif)


He's in the foreground of Zapruder's film... next to the bench... and likely on a walkie talkie if you examine closely... not invisible... we can see him...
And no, Mrs. Hester is there to scratch his back...
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 13, 2025, 03:32:30 PM


This fellow shows up in 3-4 frames hiding behind the bench.
It is very likely the Hesters were present to provide "cover" for nefarious operatives in the Pergola...


(https://i.ibb.co/pjNQB4Rj/Screenshot-2025-05-13-at-10-25-28-AM.png)
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 13, 2025, 09:43:27 PM


With enhancements to help the view...

(https://i.ibb.co/Hf1vM4vh/Screenshot-2025-05-13-at-4-40-08-PM.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/m5bB9HB9/Screenshot-2025-05-13-at-4-42-17-PM.png)

Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Steve Barber on May 14, 2025, 12:38:57 AM
Jake Maxwell...You are one desperate character.   

 I've never seen anything so stupid in my life as these things you come up with-but this one takes the cake.

So this "fellow" is behind the park bench, therefore behind Bea Hester, and in full view of her husband, and Abe Zapruder and Marilyn Sitzman. 

 You should be banned from this forum for spamming it with these absurd threads you start.  But then, on 2nd thought, perhaps Duncan is allowing a bit of
 humor in this place.  You draw these little comical faces over incredibly blurry images, and insult the intelligence of people in here by trying ever so
 desperately to get people to see what you say you see.   You simply can't be taken seriously.

 
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Duncan MacRae on May 14, 2025, 09:12:52 AM
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/17674959.gif)

Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 15, 2025, 04:30:14 PM


I appreciate the difficulty some of us have in seeing the images from film and photos that often come out of the shadows, and the frustration this presents. There is no intentional effort to cause this frustration.
Yes, it's easy to pass these images off as anomalies, artifacts and even pareidolia. I'm not asking anyone to "trust me" on this... I would say, study all the films closely, for years, even decades, and then make a determination.

I think we should consider that there is more Zapruder film that we have not been able to see. Perhaps eliminated by Life Magazine/Time, Inc. It would be interesting to see if any of this can be recovered. I think Marilyn Sitzman said Zapruder filmed her walking toward him at the Pergola. Has anyone seen this footage?

I think we should give strong consideration to the fact that every circled figure in these pics below (only the first image has slight enhancements to aid in viewing) has more photographic information than any other figure in the pic... If you want to refer to blurred images, then look at Charles and Beatrice Hester and Marilyn Sitzman... there you go!

I think we need to maintain some investigative curiosity and ask the right questions...

Why are these images (below) present in the Z Film, in a copy likely much closer to the original than the more recent "cleaned-up" copies?

Is it possible if not probable, that the conspiracy to kill the president is larger than many will consider, and that the Hesters were not there to use their camera, but to sit on the bench as cover for a couple of gunmen preparing to take shots at the president?

And we should consider that Life/Time might have been part of the coverup (and perhaps altered the Z film), "sitting" on the film for over a decade...

So, now... for your viewing enjoyment!


(https://i.ibb.co/B5m90THV/ezgif-com-resize-39.gif)

(https://i.ibb.co/67nWs57Y/ezgif-com-resize-41.gif)

(https://i.ibb.co/8LN5ksQz/ezgif-com-resize-37.gif)
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Jake Maxwell on May 17, 2025, 05:07:07 PM

This fellow behind the bench should get star billing... He shows up several times in the Zapruder film!


(https://i.ibb.co/yzwNT85/Screenshot-2025-05-17-at-11-54-39-AM.png)



Which of the four images circled looks more like a person?
Give yourself an A+!



(https://i.ibb.co/23p8XxVG/Screenshot-2025-05-17-at-11-54-13-AM.png)
Title: Re: Uh oh... I don't think you were supposed to see this... Who is this fellow?
Post by: Denis Morissette on June 01, 2025, 12:29:48 AM
What a clownish post. :)