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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Duncan MacRae on April 11, 2025, 08:26:15 PM
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Nice montage, Duncan.
For many years they were misidentified in the Zapruder film as "Gloria Calvery, Karan Hicks, and Carol Reed," but in reality they were (left-to-right) Stella Mae Jacobs, Gloria Holt, and Sharron Simmons.
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Does anybody have a "timestamp" for these images of the women walking across the Knoll? How long after the Kill Shot? Thanks
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Does anybody have a "timestamp" for these images of the women walking across the Knoll? How long after the Kill Shot? Thanks
Just curious:
Why does it matter?
FWIW, that's probably photographer James Darnell running from left-to-right across the grass.
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Just curious:
Why does it matter?
FWIW, that's probably photographer James Darnell running from left-to-right across the grass.
Lotta reasons. If that IS Darnell, Darnell also filmed Sitzman being interviewed in front of the Pergola Shelter behind Zapruder. That would provide a rough time stamp for the Sitzman interview. And, going back even further back, it would timestamp the Darnell Footage inside the railroad yard that included Officer Roger Craig. I am also interested in how quickly people crossed Elm St and then lingered on the Knoll. Gotta wonder what drew these 3 women to the Top of the Knoll? They watched the JFK Motorcade from their standing position around the Stemmon Sign. So they witnessed the Kill Shot and then moved to the Top of the Knoll? Why? I am also interested in the activity in the background on the Elm St Ext.
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Lotta reasons. If that IS Darnell, Darnell also filmed Sitzman being interviewed in front of the Pergola Shelter behind Zapruder. That would provide a rough time stamp for the Sitzman interview. And, going back even further back, it would timestamp the Darnell Footage inside the railroad yard that included Officer Roger Craig. I am also interested in how quickly people crossed Elm St and then lingered on the Knoll. Gotta wonder what drew these 3 women to the Top of the Knoll? They watched the JFK Motorcade from their standing position around the Stemmon Sign. So they witnessed the Kill Shot and then moved to the Top of the Knoll? Why? I am also interested in the activity in the background on the Elm St Ext.
Gosh, I don't know . . . they couldn't possibly have gone up there to take shelter in the Pergola.
Since the Grassy Knoll / Picket Fence / Pergola was the closest possible shooting position to the Z-313 head shot, they must have gone up there (like so many other people) to try to catch the evil, evil, evil CIA sniper!
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Identified by witness and TSBD employee Karen Westbrook Scranton as Carol Ann Reed, Gloria Calvery, and herself. At timestamp 18:06.
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Identified by witness and TSBD employee Karen Westbrook Scranton as Carol Ann Reed, Gloria Calvery, and herself. At timestamp 18:06.
Iacoletti,
You need to realize that the poor woman was confused while trying, on camera!!!, to identify herself some fifty years after-the-fact, from behind, and from a considerable distance away.
Although she was wearing a (light blue) headscarf (the only thing she got right), the poor woman didn't remember that she was standing three people to the left of big-tall, black-blouse-and-black-headscarf-wearing Gloria Calvery, i.e., about twenty feet closer to the TSBD, and that big-tall Gloria Calvery's red hair can't be seen in the Zapruder film because . . . well . . . she was wearing a gosh darned headscarf!!!
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Gosh, I don't know . . . they couldn't possibly have gone up there to take shelter in the Pergola.
Since the Grassy Knoll / Picket Fence / Pergola was the closest possible shooting position to the Z-313 head shot, they must have gone up there (like so many other people) to try to catch the evil, evil, evil CIA sniper!
How about we do Not play the Shoulda/Woulda game? That's why this case remains Unsolved after 61+ yrs. The Alleged Mr Hester got up from the ground and immediately appears to look out a Pergola Window into the Railroad yard. Now, we see these 3 Women who were originally watching the Motorcade from the (N) Curb walking Easterly across and Down the Knoll. After witnessing the Kill Shot and the hectic aftermath, what drew them up there? What/Who did they see as they walked to and fro from the Pergola area? Time stamping them on these films is Important. If that is Darnell in the suit running across the Knoll on the color film footage, this would be awhile after the Kill Shot. Darnell did film Roger Craig back in the train yard, and Craig was back inside the train yard quickly.
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How about we do Not play the Shoulda/Woulda game? That's why this case remains Unsolved after 61+ yrs. The Alleged Mr Hester got up from the ground and immediately appears to look out a Pergola Window into the Railroad yard. Now, we see these 3 Women who were originally watching the Motorcade from the (N) Curb walking Easterly across and Down the Knoll. After witnessing the Kill Shot and the hectic aftermath, what drew them up there? What/Who did they see as they walked to and fro from the Pergola area? Time stamping them on these films is Important. If that is Darnell in the suit running across the Knoll on the color film footage, this would be awhile after the Kill Shot. Darnell did film Roger Craig back in the train yard, and Craig was back inside the train yard quickly.
Storing,
It's unsolved only in your paranoiac mind and in the minds of other brainwashed-by-KGB*-disinformation zombies.
*Today's SVR and FSB
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You need to realize that the poor woman was confused while trying, on camera!!!, to identify herself some fifty years after-the-fact, from behind, and from a considerable distance away.
Or you are the one who is confused.
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Or you are the one who is confused.
But you still think the three people who were walking across the pergola "patio" a few minutes after the assassination in Mr. Towner's clip weren't three women, but three Bermuda-shorts-wearing dudes, right, Iacoletti?
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But you still think the three people who were walking across the pergola "patio" a few minutes after the assassination in Mr. Towner's clip weren't three women, but three Bermuda-shorts-wearing dudes, right, Iacoletti?
So what drew these 3 women up to the top of the Knoll? Why would a shook-up woman move Up to the top of the Knoll? Maybe she saw something Up there/Back there that upset her?
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So what drew these three women up to the top of the Knoll? Why would a shook-up woman move Up to the top of the Knoll? Maybe she saw something Up there/Back there that upset her?
Would you expect them to continue standing on the sidewalk when, after hearing two "firecrackers" or "backfires," they heard a third one and saw JFK's head "explode" a few feet from them?
Do you think they went "to the top of the Knoll" to try to catch your "BlacK Dog Man" sniper?
LOL!