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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Jake Maxwell on February 13, 2025, 01:27:31 AM
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In my estimation, Arlen Specter's single bullet theory, coupled with the rush to repair the damaged limousine and quickly exit Kennedy's body, says there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
What other factors tell the story so simply and convincingly?
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In my estimation, Arlen Specter's single bullet theory, coupled with the rush to repair the damaged limousine and quickly exit Kennedy's body, says there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
What other factors tell the story so simply and convincingly?
When you say "highest level" do you mean God?
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When you say "highest level" do you mean God?
Well... I guess Hoover and LBJ... and several Secret Service agents considered themselves to be gods...
Yeah... that level...
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In my estimation, Arlen Specter's single bullet theory, coupled with the rush to repair the damaged limousine and quickly exit Kennedy's body, says there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
What other factors tell the story so simply and convincingly?
Hogwash! They didn't "repair" the limousine. They rebuilt it so that Lyndon Johnson would have a limousine as president.
There were only two things damaged on the limousine by the shooting-and both damaged areas were caused by bullet fragments-FROM BEHIND and one bullet- upon exiting President Kennedy's head. The cracked windshield, and the chrome trimming surrounding the windshield. No other damage.
As far as the single bullet "theory"-it's not a theory, it's a fact. Kennedy and Connally were NOT seated one directly in front of the other like conspiracy theorists have lied about.
Connally was seated lower, and to Kennedy's left, and Kennedy was seated against the inside side of the car, enabling him to rest his right arm on the top, side of the car, causing him to be even further to Connally's right.
Do spend time studying the photographs and films.
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Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE has found the SBT, "Is IMPOSSIBLE". Now, with Rep Luna beginning JFK Assassination hearings in March, the Lone Nut narrative will also be buried. Day-By-Day, Trump is dismantling the Deep State.
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In my estimation, Arlen Specter's single bullet theory, coupled with the rush to repair the damaged limousine and quickly exit Kennedy's body, says there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
What other factors tell the story so simply and convincingly?
"Former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin totally agrees with you.
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In my estimation, Arlen Specter's single bullet theory, coupled with the rush to repair the damaged limousine and quickly exit Kennedy's body, says there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
What other factors tell the story so simply and convincingly?
No.
The cover-up was from the highest level but the plot to kill Kennedy was a small group of powerful people. Two separate things entirely.
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The cover-up was from the highest level but the plot to kill Kennedy was a small group of powerful people. Two separate things entirely.
Da! Da! Da!
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Do all LN adherents accept that the SBT is absolutely essential to the LN position? Is it conceivable an early shot misfired and produced the distinctly different sound noticed by some witnesses, the shallow back wound initially observed at the autopsy, and the arm response of JFK, a second shot produced JBC's wounds, and a fragment from the head shot produced the throat wound? Is this impossible?
FWIW, here's the Knott Lab stuff: https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-laboratory-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/ From personal experience, I think it's extremely difficult to know exactly what any given bullet is going to do, even one that passes more-or-less cleanly through a body as the SB is supposed to have done. Nevertheless, I accept that the SBT is problematical.
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Do all LN adherents accept that the SBT is absolutely essential to the LN position? Is it conceivable an early shot misfired and produced the distinctly different sound noticed by some witnesses, the shallow back wound initially observed at the autopsy, and the arm response of JFK, a second shot produced JBC's wounds, and a fragment from the head shot produced the throat wound? Is this impossible?
FWIW, here's the Knott Lab stuff: https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-laboratory-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/ From personal experience, I think it's extremely difficult to know exactly what any given bullet is going to do, even one that passes more-or-less cleanly through a body as the SB is supposed to have done. Nevertheless, I accept that the SBT is problematical.
"...even one that passes more-or-less CLEANLY THROUGH a body...?". Since when does Breaking the Radius Bone qualify as "Cleanly"? "Objection Sustained"!
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"...even one that passes more-or-less CLEANLY THROUGH a body...?". Since when does Breaking the Radius Bone qualify as "Cleanly"? "Objection Sustained"!
I was referring to JFK's body. I don't believe anyone could say with certainty that there was (in the SBT) absolutely no deviation after impacting JFK's back and exiting his throat, nicking the fabric.
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Do all LN adherents accept that the SBT is absolutely essential to the LN position? Is it conceivable an early shot misfired and produced the distinctly different sound noticed by some witnesses, the shallow back wound initially observed at the autopsy, and the arm response of JFK, a second shot produced JBC's wounds, and a fragment from the head shot produced the throat wound? Is this impossible?
FWIW, here's the Knott Lab stuff: https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-laboratory-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/ From personal experience, I think it's extremely difficult to know exactly what any given bullet is going to do, even one that passes more-or-less cleanly through a body as the SB is supposed to have done. Nevertheless, I accept that the SBT is problematical.
Couple of questions:
(1) Where did this shallow wound causing bullet go? What happened to it?
(2) How did this same bullet cause the bruises to JFK's lungs/pleura/pleural cavity? If it only penetrated a few inches?
(3) If JFK is hit about 2-3 seconds before JC (presumably at circa Z-223) why did it take that long for him to react? And if the bullet only went in a few inches how could it cause that sudden elbows-flailing reaction? Yes, back to (2).
I won't ask about where in the Z film is this head fragment causing a neck wound.
Okay, that was more than a couple including the one I didn't ask.
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I was referring to JFK's body. I don't believe anyone could say with certainty that there was (in the SBT) absolutely no deviation after impacting JFK's back and exiting his throat, nicking the fabric.
I still do No know how a bullet fired Downward from the 6th Floor can Enter the back and Exit from the throat. That does Not work. Never has.
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Couple of questions:
(1) Where did this shallow wound causing bullet go? What happened to it?
(2) How did this same bullet cause the bruises to JFK's lungs/pleura/pleural cavity? If it only penetrated a few inches?
(3) If JFK is hit about 2-3 seconds before JC (presumably at circa Z-223) why did it take that long for him to react? And if the bullet only went in a few inches how could it cause that sudden elbows-flailing reaction? Yes, back to (2).
I won't ask about where in the Z film is this head fragment causing a neck wound.
Okay, that was more than a couple including the one I didn't ask.
I thought I was the one asking the questions. I asked whether any LN proponents regarded this as an alternative to the SBT. I take it we can check the box "Does not regard it as a viable alternative" for you.
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In my estimation, Arlen Specter's single bullet theory, coupled with the rush to repair the damaged limousine and quickly exit Kennedy's body, says there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
What other factors tell the story so simply and convincingly?
You seem to be assuming there are no other equally or more plausible explanations for your three smoking guns.
1. The SBT: As I've stated, I think the SBT is problematical. And yet, umpteen panels, doctors and forensic types have concluded it is entirely possible. Others have, of course, disagreed. Any complex event has so many variables that a perfect reconstruction is impossible - the precise location and angle of the rifle, the precise speed and orientation of the bullet at initial impact, the precise orientation of the limousine, JFK and JBC, precisely what the bullet did as it traveled through and exited both bodies. The level of precision required to say the SBT is flat-out impossible seems to me flat-out impossible. So I assess the SBT in terms of all the other evidence pointing to Oswald and his rifle and chalk up the SBT to a problematic possibility (and perhaps not even essential to the LN position).
What gung-ho CTers never seem to consider is: If this was such a high-level conspiracy, how come the best the conspirators could do involved problematical things like the SBT and Magic Bullet and all the other red flags? This is the point I always make about the conspirators conveniently being geniuses half the time and idiots the other half. LBJ and Hoover and the Warren Commission and their minions couldn't have cooked the books better than this? I tend to think things like the SBT and Magic Bullet point in the opposite direction.
2. JFK's body: Is it not entirely possible that the shell-shocked Kennedy family and Admiral Burkley, who had been concealing JFK's Addison's Disease and other ailments for years, simply didn't want the body mangled by some unknown and possibly hostile Texas coroner? Is it not possible that even the Secret Service agents wanted JFK's body treated with more respect than this? On top of which, LBJ and Jackie wanted to be out of Texas now, and a Texas autopsy was going to delay that.
I see nothing sinister unless one is assuming that which is to be proven - i.e., that it was sinister.
3. Ditto with the limousine: The cleaning by Secret Service agents at Parkland was, I will grant, unfortunate but understandable. The car itself was impounded in evidence for weeks and the windshield that CTers love to speculate about was removed and provided to the Warren Commission. A six-member committee with representatives from the Secret Service, Army Materials Research Center, manufacturer Hess & Eisenhardt and Pittsburgh Plate Glass Company developed a plan to improve the vehicle for future use, and the plan was approved by the White House on 12-12-63.
Again, I just don't see anything sinister unless one is assuming something sinister.
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You seem to be assuming there are no other equally or more plausible explanations for your three smoking guns.
1. The SBT: As I've stated, I think the SBT is problematical. And yet, umpteen panels, doctors and forensic types have concluded it is entirely possible. Others have, of course, disagreed. Any complex event has so many variables that a perfect reconstruction is impossible - the precise location and angle of the rifle, the precise speed and orientation of the bullet at initial impact, the precise orientation of the limousine, JFK and JBC, precisely what the bullet did as it traveled through and exited both bodies. The level of precision required to say the SBT is flat-out impossible seems to me flat-out impossible. So I assess the SBT in terms of all the other evidence pointing to Oswald and his rifle and chalk up the SBT to a problematic possibility (and perhaps not even essential to the LN position).
What gung-ho CTers never seem to consider is: If this was such a high-level conspiracy, how come the best the conspirators could do involved problematical things like the SBT and Magic Bullet and all the other red flags? This is the point I always make about the conspirators conveniently being geniuses half the time and idiots the other half. LBJ and Hoover and the Warren Commission and their minions couldn't have cooked the books better than this? I tend to think things like the SBT and Magic Bullet point in the opposite direction.
2. JFK's body: Is it not entirely possible that the shell-shocked Kennedy family and Admiral Burkley, who had been concealing JFK's Addison's Disease and other ailments for years, simply didn't want the body mangled by some unknown and possibly hostile Texas coroner? Is it not possible that even the Secret Service agents wanted JFK's body treated with more respect than this? On top of which, LBJ and Jackie wanted to be out of Texas now, and a Texas autopsy was going to delay that.
I see nothing sinister unless one is assuming that which is to be proven - i.e., that it was sinister.
3. Ditto with the limousine: The cleaning by Secret Service agents at Parkland was, I will grant, unfortunate but understandable. The car itself was impounded in evidence for weeks and the windshield that CTers love to speculate about was removed and provided to the Warren Commission. A six-member committee with representatives from the Secret Service, Army Materials Research Center, manufacturer Hess & Eisenhardt and Pittsburgh Plate Glass Company developed a plan to improve the vehicle for future use, and the plan was approved by the White House on 12-12-63.
Again, I just don't see anything sinister unless one is assuming something sinister.
The Body? THE LAW is the law. The SS Stole the JFK Body. "Surgery to the head area" is the result of this Stolen Body.
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The SS Stole the JFK Body. "Surgery to the head area" is the result of this Stolen Body.
How many "Deep State" bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up, Storing?
Oodles and gobs?
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How many "Deep State" bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up, Storing?
Oodles and gobs?
When you include "cover up", what's the time limitation? There's probably going to be new "cover up" players added due to the Rep Luna JFK Assassination hearings in March.
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When you include "cover up," what's the time limitation? There's probably going to be new "cover up" players added due to the Rep Luna JFK Assassination hearings in March.
Assuming that you, as a rabid supporter of The Traitorous Orange Xxxx* known as Donald Trump, support Loony Luna in her KGB-inspired (can you say Joachim Joesten, Thomas G. Buchanan, "Tink" Thompson, "Paese Sera," Jim Garrison, Oliver Stone, et al. ad nauseum?) and Putin-cherished quest, the better question to ask is "How could the bad guys have been so incompetent as to have to continually forge and "plant" false evidence and engage in a never-ending cover up of the assassination of JFK?" -- which assassination, in reality, was committed (with or without encouragement and/or logistical support from the KGB and the DGI) by a sharpshooting, psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald.
*Rhymes with "bird"
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2 more good reasons:
1) The great haste and rush to judgment by the FBI and CIA to pin it all on Oswald (very likely to keep themselves from being investigated as culprits...)
"So convinced were the FBI and the CIA that Oswald was their man that, as soon as the suspect himself was dead, they began moving to close the case down. Officials at both agencies seemed more interested in covering up their own shortcomings and knowledge of secrets that could have relevance to the president's murder than they were in casting a wide net for a possible conspiracy. Their failures provided fertile ground for the conspiracy theories that have left most Americans convinced to this day that Oswald did not act alone." [The Washington Post]
2) The memo by Hoover less than 48 hours after Kennedy's assassination...
"Just a few hours after Lee Harvey Oswald was killed in Dallas, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover dictated a memo saying the government needed to issue something “so we can convince the public” that Oswald killed President John F. Kennedy....
Hoover said that the FBI had an agent at the hospital in hopes of getting a confession from Oswald, but Oswald died before that could happen. Hoover said he and a deputy were concerned about “having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.” [PBS/NPR]
In any other case before Lady Justice, such a comment would incriminate the speaker... Hoover is most likely guilty and this memo issued so quickly after the event, is likely intended cover himself and his agency... and not a concern for national security. AND certainly not an expression from someone who cares about truth and justice and fairness...