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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Allan Fritzke on January 29, 2025, 06:48:04 AM
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Most of us CTers generally look for purpose behind the killing? If LHO truly was a patsy and hadn't realize that he was to take the fall but yet was involved. Obviously like any clandestine operation, you won't find a money trail via tax returns. You have to wonder how he had enough money always to travel the world, revoke his passport and reinstate the passport and be at the right place at the right time and on time! If he was a patsy, why would CIA, Mossad, organized crime or VP LBJ want to eliminate the President and so perfectly conceal it?
As a CTer, there are several rabbit trails and holes to dive down!
1) Perhaps LBJ hated JFK because he belittled him? Did Mathilde Krim have anything to do with it? LBJ was pro-nuclear for the Jewish state while JFK was obsessed with monitoring the Dimona Textile Factory before he was killed.
https://....weiss.net/2018/01/secret-life-mathilde/ (https://....weiss.net/2018/01/secret-life-mathilde/)
2) Why was night club owner Jack Rubenstein the great patriot who did his country the favor of not allowing LHO to have his day in court and a trial?
3) Was it happenstance that Jack Rubenstein was never interrogated before succumbing to stomach cancer a short time later?
4) Why was Jacqueline never interviewed or questioned? What role did she play and why was her mouth kept shut?
What did or was JFK doing that pissed someone off so badly that they had to remove him? We know he wanted to keep all nuclear armament out of the Middle East and disobeyed in the Cuban affair. He wanted teams to go into Palestine and check to make sure there was no nuclear material there and that they were not developing a nuclear bomb. Maybe the question, should be asked - How and when did Israel become a nuclear power? Did LBJ pursue what Kennedy planned or was that immediately dropped? Did Mathilde Krim influence any decisions he may have made? She was a good looking girl and seemed to be close to LBJ.
There was some old tapes that surfaced under that old conspiracy nut (AJ). He claimed they are not AI. If they were AI, it was a pretty good impersonation and had the drawl down really well for the time. Of course, these could have been 1970s actors playing their parts as Bill Sol Estes and Clifton Carter who were discussing LBJ and Mac Wallace. Sigh! Just another rabbit trail.
https://banned.video/watch?id=6786f510c32b5c6ba7140624 (https://banned.video/watch?id=6786f510c32b5c6ba7140624)
LBJ and McNamara were together at the time of the 6 day war and the sinking of the USS Liberty in error by the Israelis. We know that they had knowledge and survivors are suggesting a larger cover up than just an air attack and a torpedo. (book Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen). A lot of strange events in this world and wars were often created by them.
Maybe Oliver Stone got it right and LBJ was involved and made sure things happened according to a bigger plan set up by the military industrial complex and deep state operatives? Dulles for example was fired by JFK and yet became one of the investigators to write the report. Quite convenient!
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Most of us CTers generally look for purpose behind the killing? If LHO truly was a patsy and hadn't realize that he was to take the fall but yet was involved. Obviously like any clandestine operation, you won't find a money trail via tax returns. You have to wonder how he had enough money always to travel the world, revoke his passport and reinstate the passport and be at the right place at the right time and on time! If he was a patsy, why would CIA, Mossad, organized crime or VP LBJ want to eliminate the President and so perfectly conceal it?
As a CTer, there are several rabbit trails and holes to dive down!
1) Perhaps LBJ hated JFK because he belittled him? Did Mathilde Krim have anything to do with it? LBJ was pro-nuclear for the Jewish state while JFK was obsessed with monitoring the Dimona Textile Factory before he was killed.
https://....weiss.net/2018/01/secret-life-mathilde/ (https://....weiss.net/2018/01/secret-life-mathilde/)
2) Why was night club owner Jack Rubenstein the great patriot who did his country the favor of not allowing LHO to have his day in court and a trial?
3) Was it happenstance that Jack Rubenstein was never interrogated before succumbing to stomach cancer a short time later?
4) Why was Jacqueline never interviewed or questioned? What role did she play and why was her mouth kept shut?
What did or was JFK doing that pissed someone off so badly that they had to remove him? We know he wanted to keep all nuclear armament out of the Middle East and disobeyed in the Cuban affair. He wanted teams to go into Palestine and check to make sure there was no nuclear material there and that they were not developing a nuclear bomb. Maybe the question, should be asked - How and when did Israel become a nuclear power? Did LBJ pursue what Kennedy planned or was that immediately dropped? Did Mathilde Krim influence any decisions he may have made? She was a good looking girl and seemed to be close to LBJ.
There was some old tapes that surfaced under that old conspiracy nut (AJ). He claimed they are not AI. If they were AI, it was a pretty good impersonation and had the drawl down really well for the time. Of course, these could have been 1970s actors playing their parts as Bill Sol Estes and Clifton Carter who were discussing LBJ and Mac Wallace. Sigh! Just another rabbit trail.
https://banned.video/watch?id=6786f510c32b5c6ba7140624 (https://banned.video/watch?id=6786f510c32b5c6ba7140624)
LBJ and McNamara were together at the time of the 6 day war and the sinking of the USS Liberty in error by the Israelis. We know that they had knowledge and survivors are suggesting a larger cover up than just an air attack and a torpedo. (book Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen). A lot of strange events in this world and wars were often created by them.
Maybe Oliver Stone got it right and LBJ was involved and made sure things happened according to a bigger plan set up by the military industrial complex and deep state operatives? Dulles for example was fired by JFK and yet became one of the investigators to write the report. Quite convenient!
Comrade Oliver Stone admitted in an interview that his movie "JFK" (which was based largely on Jim Garrison's specious book "On the Trail of the Assassins") was mythological -- "to counter the myth of the Warren Report."
Enough said.
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Oliver Stone makes movies. Nobody regards him as a Historian. And just for the record, a house did Not fall onto a witch.
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It's been over 60 years since the assassination. That's a long time, a long time to keep this covered it up. People talk, evidence is found. But not here. The most recent claim is that these last remaining documents will expose the conspiracy. Otherwise, it's argued, why have they withheld them? But we know why, we know what's in them. And there's nothing there.
This is the most investigated event in American history. Multiple generations of Americans of all backgrounds inside the government and outside have looked into it. This grand conspiracy idea - or even moderate conspiracy idea - has no basis anymore. There's nothing supporting it. All one has now is conjecture and supposition. "Maybe this" or "Maybe that." You pluck out a piece of evidence or information here, another piece there, and try to assemble it into a large conspiracy. And it simply doesn't work. You have to ignore all of this other counter evidence.
If you believe that multiple generations of Americans have covered this all up - even those today - then there's nothing than can dissuade you. It's a non-falsifiable theory; no evidence, no investigation, no study will persuade you otherwise.
The famous reporter Seymour Hersh, the man who uncovered the CIA and military abuses, e.g., the Family Jewels, My Lai said he met with Stone to discuss the Panama/Noriega movie that Stone was working on. But Hersh said the only thing Stone wanted to talk about was how the CIA killed JFK. Hersh wrote this:
"We had a game-changing row the next morning when I told him this his idea was off the wall and he said in response that he always knew I was a CIA agent."
So again, if you think a Hersh covered this up, and a Tim Weiner, and a Robert Caro with LBJ, and the Washington Post, and the NY Times, and Walter Cronkite, and ABC News and....well, if you believe this then good luck in life. You'll need it.
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For decades the conspiracy believers demanded: "Release Oswald's tax returns! That will show he worked for the CIA! It's why they are being hidden."
Then Marina authorizes their disclosure (they were held by the IRS under the law forbidding their release even though the Warren Commission and HSCA cited them) and they show...nothing. No secret source of money, no work for the CIA, no large mysterious income.
Was that enough? No, they still insist on some secret source of money. More conspiracies, more this or that. Lordy, it never ends.
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For decades the conspiracy believers demanded: "Release Oswald's tax returns! That will show he worked for the CIA! It's why they are being hidden."
Then Marina authorizes their disclosure (they were held by the IRS under the law forbidding their release even though the Warren Commission and HSCA cited them) and they show...nothing. No secret source of money, no work for the CIA, no large mysterious income.
Was that enough? No, they still insist on some secret source of money. More conspiracies, more this or that. Lordy, it never ends.
Not sure why anyone would believe that Oswald's Tax Returns might prove anything. It's called the "INTERNAL Revenue Service" for a reason.
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It's been over 60 years since the assassination. That's a long time, a long time to keep this covered it up. People talk, evidence is found. But not here. The most recent claim is that these last remaining documents will expose the conspiracy. Otherwise, it's argued, why have they withheld them? But we know why, we know what's in them. And there's nothing there.
This is the most investigated event in American history. Multiple generations of Americans of all backgrounds inside the government and outside have looked into it. This grand conspiracy idea - or even moderate conspiracy idea - has no basis anymore. There's nothing supporting it. All one has now is conjecture and supposition. "Maybe this" or "Maybe that." You pluck out a piece of evidence or information here, another piece there, and try to assemble it into a large conspiracy. And it simply doesn't work. You have to ignore all of this other counter evidence.
If you believe that multiple generations of Americans have covered this all up - even those today - then there's nothing than can dissuade you. It's a non-falsifiable theory; no evidence, no investigation, no study will persuade you otherwise.
The famous reporter Seymour Hersh, the man who uncovered the CIA and military abuses, e.g., the Family Jewels, My Lai said he met with Stone to discuss the Panama/Noriega movie that Stone was working on. But Hersh said the only thing Stone wanted to talk about was how the CIA killed JFK. Hersh wrote this:
"We had a game-changing row the next morning when I told him this his idea was off the wall and he said in response that he always knew I was a CIA agent."
So again, if you think a Hersh covered this up, and a Tim Weiner, and a Robert Caro with LBJ, and the Washington Post, and the NY Times, and Walter Cronkite, and ABC News and....well, if you believe this then good luck in life. You'll need it.
Do you believe that JonBenet Ramsey just disappeared from the planet? How about something the size of MH 370 doing likewise? What about Area 51? And then there's Skinwalker Ranch. The U.S.Govt previously owned that land and we still have No Idea what was/is going on there. Crack reporters have been all over these cases for decades and Failed to solve all of them. Time + Reporters/Researchers does Not guarantee solving a mystery.
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Do you believe that JonBenet Ramsey just disappeared from the planet? How about something the size of MH 370 doing likewise? What about Area 51? And then there's Skinwalker Ranch. The U.S.Govt previously owned that land and we still have No Idea what was/is going on there. Crack reporters have been all over these cases for decades and Failed to solve all of them. Time + Reporters/Researchers does Not guarantee solving a mystery.
The JFK assassination is no mystery.
A sharpshooting, psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK to advance the Marxist-Leninist Dialectic by firing three shots at him over 10.2 seconds in the echo chamber known a Dealey Plaza.
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Oliver Stone makes movies. Nobody regards him as a Historian. And just for the record, a house did Not fall onto a witch.
Very realistic-looking movies.
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Oliver Stone to testify at John F Kennedy assassination hearing
The director, whose film JFK has been derided by historians for suggesting the CIA had a role in the killing, will speak to task force aiming ‘to get to the bottom of this mystery’
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/mar/31/oliver-stone-testify-john-f-kennedy-assassination-hearing-jfk
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Oliver Stone to testify at John F Kennedy assassination hearing
The director, whose film JFK has been derided by historians for suggesting the CIA had a role in the killing, will speak to task force aiming ‘to get to the bottom of this mystery’
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/mar/31/oliver-stone-testify-john-f-kennedy-assassination-hearing-jfk
That makes sense to me, after all it will be April Fools Day….
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You guys underestimate Oliver Stone. After all, Stone did get it Right when he publicly proclaimed that a body double was posing as President Bill Mitchell.
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Stone is a total nutjob. The CIA had nothing to do with it, the Mafia did. Oswald fired 3 shots at JFK plus killed Officer Tippit. Only one shot came from the front.
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Stone is a total nutjob. The CIA had nothing to do with it, the Mafia did. Oswald fired 3 shots at JFK plus killed Officer Tippit. Only one shot came from the front.
Agree that Stone is a total nutjob. The fact that anyone thinks it is worth having him and his star-struck puppet Jim Di Eugenio weigh in at a hearing speaks volumes about the seriousness of the effort. Jesus. Agree that the CIA had nothing to do with it. The Mafia? Yes, it's possible, and your theory is at least at the rational end of the conspiracy spectrum.
In terms of motive and means, and even some actual evidence (Marcello, https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKmarcello.htm), the Mafia has to be at the top of the list. Several years ago, Pat Speer, surely one of the very top researchers, agreed with me on that the Mafia had the best (or worst, as the case may be) motives. It is also Larry Schnapf’s theory.
However, the issues I have are:
1. I don't believe there would have been a frontal gunman (and I don't believe there was). There would have been a Mafia-quality hitman with some sort of 6.5 rifle located somewhere that his trajectory would not be obviously inconsistent with the 6th floor of the TSBD – perhaps the roof of the Dal-Tex building (and perhaps there was!).
2. One of the Mafia’s key motives, in addition to eliminating JFK and neutralizing RFK, would have been the overthrow of Castro and the restoration of the Mafia’s lucrative resort/casino empire. While pro-Castro Oswald would have been a useful patsy for this purpose, I don’t think the Mafia would have trusted in this alone. There would have been other planted evidence pointing directly to Castro’s involvement.
3. It’s difficult to see how Oswald would have been on the Mafia’s radar screen at all, plus he seems like an awfully erratic and potentially unreliable patsy (although Marcello did speak of pinning the assassination on a "nut job"). It seems unlikely to me that the Mafia would have worked with (i.e., trusted) anyone outside the organization to recruit Oswald and convince him he was part of a pro-Castro plot. Once you start hypothesizing how the Mafia would have recruited Oswald, the plot starts to get complicated and un-Mafia-like.
4. I don't think Oswald would have lived to be arrested. If this were a Mafia hit, it would have been far cleaner in every way than the events in Dealey Plaza and the flight of Oswald. More than any of the other usual suspects, I have great confidence in the Mafia’s ability to plan and carry out a hit that would have left no clues at all.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on what the Mafia's hit actually looked like and why.
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No matter how "nuts" you think Oliver Stone is, remember that he does have the means/$$ to access/see "things" most of us do Not. Whether it be eyewitness accounts and/or images, never underestimate the sheer power of $$.
And do Not think you have seen ALL of the assassination images. When NBC released the 1st :40 seconds of their Original Darnell Film about 3 months ago, I had previously Never seen the opening frame(s) showing the driver of Camera Car #2 STANDING outside of that car at the corner of Houston/Elm St. This is important as this film also shows DPD Officers Baker and Smith running in front of the TSBD. Those Camera Cars shown to be at a Dead Stop destroys the previously accepted story line that Officer Baker was inside the TSBD in :30 seconds. It took Baker longer than :30 seconds to get inside the TSBD and therefore it took him a greater period of time following the Kill Shot to encounter Oswald inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. The previously accepted timeline of Baker confronting Oswald inside that Lunchroom was Incorrect. The longer it took Officer Baker to confront Oswald inside that lunchroom, the longer period of time Oswald was inside that lunchroom. Baker claimed to have either seen Oswald in motion behind the vestibule door or that vestibule door swinging shut as Oswald ran inside. Oswald had plenty of time to be inside that Lunchroom well ahead of Baker. The Baker WC Testimony about seeing something moving behind the door or the door being in motion is pure BS:. The NBC ORIGINAL Darnell Film Now proves this.
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I don’t believe LBJ had JFK killed but aside from that, Stone was over the target.
His broader thesis that the American “Deep State” colluded in a plot to kill JFK and cover it up seems like the most logical conclusion.
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Stone is a total nutjob. The CIA had nothing to do with it, the Mafia did. Oswald fired 3 shots at JFK plus killed Officer Tippit. Only one shot came from the front.
Jack Ruby’s psychiatrist while he was in jail was Jolly West, a major figure in the CIA’s Mind Control experiments (MK-Ultra). I don’t believe the Mafia had the means to set West up with Ruby.
That’s just one example of how why it couldn’t have been the mafia alone. But the mafia may have had a role to play just like the anti-Castro Cubans.
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No matter how "nuts" you think Oliver Stone is, remember that he does have the means/$$ to access/see "things" most of us do Not. Whether it be eyewitness accounts and/or images, never underestimate the sheer power of $$.
And do Not think you have seen ALL of the assassination images. When NBC released the 1st :40 seconds of their Original Darnell Film about 3 months ago, I had previously Never seen the opening frame(s) showing the driver of Camera Car #2 STANDING outside of that car at the corner of Houston/Elm St. This is important as this film also shows DPD Officers Baker and Smith running in front of the TSBD. Those Camera Cars shown to be at a Dead Stop destroys the previously accepted story line that Officer Baker was inside the TSBD in :30 seconds. It took Baker longer than :30 seconds to get inside the TSBD and therefore it took him a greater period of time following the Kill Shot to encounter Oswald inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. The previously accepted timeline of Baker confronting Oswald inside that Lunchroom was Incorrect. The longer it took Officer Baker to confront Oswald inside that lunchroom, the longer period of time Oswald was inside that lunchroom. Baker claimed to have either seen Oswald in motion behind the vestibule door or that vestibule door swinging shut as Oswald ran inside. Oswald had plenty of time to be inside that Lunchroom well ahead of Baker. The Baker WC Testimony about seeing something moving behind the door or the door being in motion is pure BS:. The NBC ORIGINAL Darnell Film Now proves this.
How did you come up with your timeline for how long the camera car stopped?
And from this observation you say Baker's claim that he saw Oswald behind the vestibule door was somehow BS, how so?
The amount of assumptions you continually make needs an equal amount of proof!
This is the start of the footage, you can see the driver get in the vehicle and drive away and you can see a Police bike and Baker running into the Depository, do you believe that first they all stopped to have a picnic?
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZncDm19X/Darnell-Baker-film-2.gif)
JohnM
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As I said, this is where having a broad knowledge of the JFK Assassination blows LN's outta the water every time. In this instance, being familiar with the Sworn Testimony of those in the Camera Cars. (Only assist you're gonna get.) Like I said on another thread, the JFK Murder Case has passed You by. You and the Old Guard JFK Assassination Research Community. And, I just finished up with another Big JFK Assassination Discovery. ................... To Be Continued ..........................
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Donald Sutherlands “everybody is involved” speech accompanied by the mood music was a nice synthesis of all the various CT theories.
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As I said, this is where having a broad knowledge of the JFK Assassination blows LN's outta the water every time. In this instance being familiar with the Sworn Testimony of those in the Camera Cars. (Only assist you're gonna get.) Like I said on another thread, the JFK Murder Case has passed You by. You and the Old Guard JFK Assassination Research Community. And, I just finished up with another JFK Assassination Discovery. ................... To Be Continued ..........................
In preparing my post I read them, and no one supports your theory!
Try again.
JohnM
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Yeah. And the dog ate your homework.
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Yeah. And the dog ate your homework.
Why would I take that risk, I couldn't find anything specific but since you don't know where to look, here's a genuine start.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/dillard.htm
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/jackson.htm
Good luck!
JohnM
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When it comes to testimony on all 3 fronts, I am very comfortable. And the links you posted are woefully inadequate. Not surprising.
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When it comes to testimony on all 3 fronts, I am very comfortable. And the links you posted are woefully inadequate. Not surprising.
When it comes to testimony on all 3 fronts, I am very comfortable.
Oh I see, you're very comfortable with your testimony but very uncomfortable to post them! Thumb1:
And the links you posted are woefully inadequate. Not surprising.
So the testimony from two of the occupants within the camera cars in question is woefully inadequate, okey dokey.
JohnM
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Cherry Picked testimony is and always has been inadequate. Jackson was Not alone. And do you really believe that Officer Baker was inside the TSBD 30 Seconds after the Kill Shot? Even NOW that we know those Camera Cars were at a Dead Stop? You gotta connect the dots. You CAN do that, right?
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Cherry Picked testimony is and always has been inadequate. Jackson was Not alone. And do you really believe that Officer Baker was inside the TSBD 30 Seconds after the Kill Shot? Even NOW that we know those Camera Cars were at a Dead Stop? You gotta connect the dots. You CAN do that, right?
Storing,
Do you ever "cherry-pick" evidence to support your KGB*-approved arguments?
*Today's SVR and FSB
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His broader thesis that the American “Deep State” colluded in a plot to kill JFK and cover it up seems like the most logical conclusion.
We need them today!
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[...] Stone was over the target. His broader thesis that the American “Deep State” colluded in a plot to kill JFK and cover it up seems like the most logical conclusion.
"Former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin totally agrees.
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Have you guys ever seen the movie, "The Russians Are Coming The Russians Are Coming" (1966)? It's a comedy. You guys should inquire about a reboot. You're "Central Casting" material as Trump would say.
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Have you guys ever seen the movie, "The Russians Are Coming The Russians Are Coming" (1966)? It's a comedy. You guys should inquire about a reboot. You're "Central Casting" material as Trump would say.
Most Americans have always been gullible about your favorite world-class humanitarian organization -- the KGB* -- Storing.
That movie, "The Russians are Coming," rightfully ridiculed those of us who paranoically feared a physical Russian invasion in 1966, because just 7 years earlier at the 1959 Extraordinary (as in mid-term) 21st Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the Kremlin, having realized that the USSR and the Warsaw Pact couldn't defeat the U.S. and NATO militarily, decided to try to get us to tear ourselves apart by waging disinformation, "active measures," and "Inside Man" / "Outside Man" strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies.
That's the Kremlin's "Master Plan" that KGB true defector, Anatoliy Golitsyn tried to warn the CIA and the FBI about when he defected to the U.S. on 15 December 1961, and which "useful idiots" (or worse) like John L. Hart and Leonard V. McCoy deprecatingly called "The Monster Plot."
Which finally succeeded spectacularly when "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin's professional IRA trolls, et al., were able to take advantage of oodles and gobs of already-created conspiracy theories (e.g., The CIA Killed JFK, HIV/AIDS Was Created To Decimate Gays, The Rock Cocaine Epidemic Was Created To Decimate Blacks, The Moon Landings Were Faked, 9/11 Was An Inside Job, and Covid-19 Was A CIA Bio-Weapon Project Gone Awry, etc?) and install the Expendable Traitorous Orange Bird as our "President."
*Today's SVR and FSB
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When do we get to Kruschev banging his shoe on the table at the U.N.? Yawn
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When do we get to Kruschev banging his shoe on the table at the U.N.? Yawn
Wow, you were only like . . . what? . . . five years old or so at the time . . . but it traumatized you so badly that you still obsess on it?
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Stone doing his thing:
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"Former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin totally agrees.
Lyndon Johnson, Robert Kennedy Sr, and Richard Nixon also agreed that there was a conspiracy in Kennedy's murder...
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Lyndon Johnson, Robert Kennedy Sr, and Richard Nixon also agreed that there was a conspiracy in Kennedy's murder...
That's probably because they didn't understand the Single Bullet Fact.
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Knott Lab FORENSIC SCIENCE has found the SBT, "Is Impossible". Where are you people that were endlessly preaching, "Follow The Science", throughout the pandemic? Have you Now joined those you branded as "Science Deniers"?
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Knott Lab FORENSIC SCIENCE has found the SBT, "Is Impossible."
Probably because Knot Lab FORENSIC SCIENCE didn't realize that JBC was turned so far to his right.
Go to 1:37
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Knott Lab FORENSIC SCIENCE has found the SBT, "Is Impossible". Where are you people that were endlessly preaching, "Follow The Science", throughout the pandemic? Have you Now joined those you branded as "Science Deniers"?
Knott Lab FORENSIC SCIENCE didn't turn JBC far enough to his right.
https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z222.jpg
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You Laymen are ASSUMING When JFK/Connally were hit. Forensic SCIENCE vs Laymen Assumption? Easy choice.
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You Laymen are ASSUMING When JFK/Connally were hit. Forensic SCIENCE vs Laymen Assumption? Easy choice.
You're so gosh-darned gullible, Storing.
Question:
Did your belief that the JFKA was a conspiracy somehow lead to your rabidly supporting of The Traitorous Orange Bird known as Donald Trump?
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That's probably because they didn't understand the Single Bullet Fact.
If you believe CE399 caused all that damage, you're extremely gullible.
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Knott Lab FORENSIC SCIENCE didn't turn JBC far enough to his right.
https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z222.jpg
Correct. Connally's torso was facing Zapruder when the bullet hit:
(https://dyingwords.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/223-224-Full.gif)
https://dyingwords.net/the-magic-bullet-in-the-jfk-assassination/
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If you believe CE399 caused all that damage, you're extremely gullible.
CE-399 wounded both JFK and JBC, but the only hard bone it hit (sideswiped, actually) was the radial bone in JBC's wrist.
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CE-399 wounded both JFK and JBC, but the only hard bone it hit (sideswiped, actually) was the radial bone in JBC's wrist.
Very strong evidence suggests that CE399 was misidentified as the "Magic Bullet"
The lack of damage to the bullet strongly suggests that it didn't strike both JFK and the governor.
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Correct. Connally's torso was facing Zapruder when the bullet hit:
(https://dyingwords.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/223-224-Full.gif)
https://dyingwords.net/the-magic-bullet-in-the-jfk-assassination/
And that's IF you buy into: (1) The Lapel Flip, and (2) Gov Connally having a delayed reaction to ALL of his wounds. These are only 2 of the many Hoops you gotta jump through to even Consider the SBT possible. This crappola ended when Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE found the SBT, "Is Impossible".
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And that's IF you buy into: (1) The Lapel Flip, and (2) Gov Connally having a delayed reaction to ALL of his wounds. These are only 2 of the many Hoops you gotta jump through to even Consider the SBT possible. This is why Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE found the SBT, "Is Impossible".
Storing,
Different people do often react differently to being shot, especially when one of them (JFK in this case) has his spinal cord nicked by the bullet and the other one (JBC) doesn't.
D'oh
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Storing,
Different people do often react differently to being shot, especially when one of them (JFK in this case) has his spinal cord nicked by the bullet and the other one (JBC) doesn't.
D'oh
Yeah, like those guys stood up before firing squads that simply walk away. Not!
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Yeah, like those guys stood up before firing squads that simply walk away. Not!
Storing,
Are you on drugs or Arkansas moonshine or something?
Regardless, do you deny that JFK's transverse process was nicked, either by physical contact with the bullet or by the pressure pulse it created?
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Correct. Connally's torso was facing Zapruder when the bullet hit:
Like anybody knows "when the bullet hit".
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Like anybody knows "when the bullet hit".
Iacoletti,
Do you require that it be pinpointed to the exact millisecond?
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Do you require that it be pinpointed to the exact millisecond?
That would be necessary if you are going to pontificate about Connally's exact position at the time, yes.
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That would be necessary if you are going to pontificate about Connally's exact position at the time, yes.
Looking at Z-180 (or so) through Z-224 (or so), isn't it fair to say that JBC's head and upper torso were still turned to his right when JFK was struck?
For purposes of trying to determine whether or not the bullet that passed through JFK's lower neck also penetrated JBC's back, is it necessary to know in which Zapruder frame it allegedly did that?
Does one's inability to say with absolute certainty which frame that is (possibly due to JFK's and/or JBC's being hidden from view behind the Stemmons Freeway sign and/or the possibility that they reacted differently to being shot) preclude its having happened?
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For purposes of trying to determine whether or not the bullet that passed through JFK's lower neck also penetrated JBC's back, is it necessary to know in which Zapruder frame it allegedly did that?
You need much more than squinting at a blurry film and interpreting reactions in a self-serving way.
Oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to.
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You need much more than squinting at a blurry film and interpreting reactions in a self-serving way.
Oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to.
Iacoletti,
Do you still think the three people walking across the pergola's "patio" a few minutes after the assassination in the Mr. Towner clip were three Bermuda-shorts-wearing dudes and that one of them was either wearing a blue headscarf or holding a blue balloon near his head?
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And that's IF you buy into: (1) The Lapel Flip, ...
Like anybody knows "when the bullet hit".
It's not only the lapel flip, his whole right shoulder snaps forward as the bullet rips through him. Look again.
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It's not only the lapel flip, his whole right shoulder snaps forward as the bullet rips through him. Look again.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8v-YQb6mFo0/WVXcxF5rw4I/AAAAAAABMJE/Ge6Ef1RgHQkDioCxaoghpM0Npv6-xgpIACLcBGAs/s1600/Z-Film-Clip-SBT-In-Motion---3.gif)
Both men are violently reacting simultaneously. And along with Connally's lapel flip, Connally's right wrist, the wrist which was fractured shows an extreme reaction.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Jbpymw7jW20/WMzJdh_W5AI/AAAAAAABLkU/Eyc_-irXYv8vxMwinJVEiKJvO4iv0IIwQCLcB/s1600/Z-Film%2BClip-SBT-In-Motion.gif)
JohnM
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Way back when, there was a TV Commercial with the tag line, "It's not nice to Fool mother nature". Please bear this in mind when you decide to Cease displaying Gov Connally's movements at that exact point in time on the Zapruder Film. Not cool.
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In the video of the current hearings, Stone goes on about the NBC footage that needs to be released. Is that what is commonly known as the "prayer man" footage?
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I am still waiting for NBC to release the last half of their Original Darnell Film. That will give us clearer images of the railroad yard, and that area leading into the Elm St Ext from the railroad yard. We will also glimpse down into that space between the Zapruder Perch and the N-S Picket Fence. There are extremely few images of this area which showed Black Dog Man on Willis 5.
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I am still waiting for NBC to release the last half of their Original Darnell Film. That will give us clearer images of the railroad yard, and that area leading into the Elm St Ext from the railroad yard. We will also glimpse down into that space between the Zapruder Perch and the N-S Picket Fence. There are extremely few images of this area which showed Black Dog Man on Willis 5.
What's really fascinating is that the bullet that your assassin fired not only missed Jackie and didn't damage the interior of the limo, but destroyed only the right side of JFK's brain!
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What's really fascinating is that the bullet that your assassin fired not only missed Jackie and didn't damage the interior of the limo, but destroyed only the right side of JFK's brain!
You're description requires an Exploding Bullet.
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You're description requires an Exploding Bullet.
Is that why it didn't injure Jackie, damage the interior of the limo, or wound the left half of JFK's brain?
An exploding bullet?
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Way back when, there was a TV Commercial with the tag line, "It's not nice to Fool mother nature". Please bear this in mind when you decide to Cease displaying Gov Connally's movements at that exact point in time on the Zapruder Film. Not cool.
Instead of your continual whining, you're free to be cool and post whatever images, GIFs, videos you like! So please do and share your beliefs!
JohnM
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Instead of your continual whining, you're free to be cool and post whatever images, GIFs, videos you like! So please do and share your beliefs!
JohnM
The above is deflection not denial. You were caught.
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Both men are violently reacting simultaneously. And along with Connally's lapel flip, Connally's right wrist, the wrist which was fractured shows an extreme reaction.
But who is this Rorschach guy? And why does he have so many pictures of my parents fighting?
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But who is this Rorschach guy? And why does he have so many pictures of my parents fighting?
Your parents fought?
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The above is deflection not denial. You were caught.
Excuse me??
How is this my problem? I posted more than enough GIFs to prove my point, if you have an alternate claim then it's YOUR responsibility to provide evidence!
BTW for someone who wants to criticize the official photographic record but constantly shows his lack of technical expertise at even the most basic level is an embarrassment and frankly laughable! :D
JohnM
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Excuse me??
How is this my problem? I posted more than enough GIFs to prove my point, if you have an alternate claim then it's YOUR responsibility to provide evidence!
BTW for someone who wants to criticize the official photographic record but constantly shows his lack of technical expertise at even the most basic level is an embarrassment and frankly laughable! :D
JohnM
The above makes clear why this murder investigation has passed you and your "Back Slapper's Club" by. Posting Mass Cartoons and Gifs proves nothing. Entertaining maybe, but enlightening or God forbid "New"? Not hardly. This is where the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers are and have been for decades. Merely treading water. And thinking that Any of You have "technical expertise" is on the level of a County Fair Blue Ribbon that you have passed around to the point that you All actually believe you possess some level of expertise. You guys have proffered Nothing New in this murder investigation for as long as I have been around here. The Lot of you have been and continue to be nothing more than a Door Stop. But this Door Stop is intended to keep the Door CLOSED. You present NOTHING New, and swarm anybody that does. Technology is NOW bringing a lot of the JFK Assassination Images into SHARP Focus. That Blood/Brain Matter Stain the size of a basketball on the TOP of the Limo Back Rest? That's Not a Gif or a Cartoon. That's a Fact. That's Proof of a Blowout EXIT Wound in the Back of JFK's head. The same BLOWOUT EXIT Wound that was documented by the Parkland Dr's. It's technology leading to far sharper JFK Assassination Images such as this that need to be closely examined once again.
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The above makes clear why this murder investigation has passed you and your "Back Slapper's Club" by. Posting Mass Cartoons and Gifs proves nothing. Entertaining maybe, but enlightening or God forbid "New"? Not hardly. This is where the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers are and have been for decades. Merely treading water. And thinking that Any of You have "technical expertise" is on the level of a County Fair Blue Ribbon that you have passed around to the point that you All actually believe you possess some level of expertise. You guys have proffered Nothing New in this murder investigation for as long as I have been around here. The Lot of you have been and continue to be nothing more than a Door Stop. But this Door Stop is intended to keep the Door CLOSED. You present NOTHING New, and swarm anybody that does. Technology is NOW bringing a lot of the JFK Assassination Images into SHARP Focus. That Blood/Brain Matter Stain the size of a basketball on the TOP of the Limo Back Rest? That's Not a Gif or a Cartoon. That's a Fact. That's Proof of a Blowout EXIT Wound in the Back of JFK's head. The same BLOWOUT EXIT Wound that was documented by the Parkland Dr's. It's technology leading to far sharper JFK Assassination Images such as this that need to be closely examined once again.
Can someone translate this slab of gobbledegook into comprehensible English?
JohnM
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So much for "technical expertise". Unable to even comprehend the King's English.
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Can someone translate this slab of gobbledegook into comprehensible English?
It means that your contrived GIFs prove nothing.