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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Joe Elliott on August 20, 2024, 04:53:11 PM
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What a great first night of the Democratic National Convention. Who shall we compare Joseph Biden to? Has there ever been someone who went into retirement, saw the rising threat of fascism, came back when he was "too old" and became the leader of a country in peril, led brilliantly, all with a minor speech impediment, and was then pushed aside on the cusp of his greatest triumph? History doesn't repeat but sure as hell rhymes.
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What a great first night of the Democratic National Convention. Who shall we compare Joseph Biden to? Has there ever been someone who went into retirement, saw the rising threat of fascism, came back when he was "too old" and became the leader of a country in peril, led brilliantly, all with a minor speech impediment, and was then pushed aside on the cusp of his greatest triumph? History doesn't repeat but sure as hell rhymes.
LOL. You got one thing right. There is no one that compares to Old Joe. He is in a class by himself. The worst modern president in history by a long shot. He made Carter look like a genius. Karma is a beetch as they say. Old Joe's humiliation last night was just payback for all the lies he told to get elected and the cover provided by the biased media. No other incumbent has been kicked out the door in a coup after winning the primaries. That is how bad he is. Fortunately, Trump exposed him at the debate before he could do even more harm. Biden's legacy will be endless wars, crime, floods of illegal aliens, inflation, trillions wasted, incompetence, weakness, corruption, chaos, and record COVID deaths on his watch as he napped.
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It's nice to see normal regular everyday people at an American convention again. Even the speakers are just like regular folk, not weird.
Instead of a gaudy Mar-a-Lago Club side-show, happy Democrats were seen being inspired to fight for fundamental freedoms and to stop once-and-for-all the cancer of Trumpism and Neo-Fascism. What kind of tribute will the RNC give Daffy Duck in 2028 after he's cost them elections in 2020, 2022 and 2024?
Wait a minute. Maybe the MAGA people are stupid entranced enough to give him another run in 2028. ::)
Normal? Joe believes that Trump wasn't shot.
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Never heard that one before. But Banana Republicans immediately claimed it was a "Biden hit". Turns out it was a gun-nut raised in a Republican household.
What kind of a person--slightly injured and knowing the shooter is down--asks about his shoes, rather than how the injured are? Donald Trump only cares about himself.
Joe posted numerous threads claiming Trump wasn't shot. You engaged with him on many of those but you "never heard that one before"? Talk about desperation. Even disparaging Trump after he was shot. What kind of person acts like Trump? A hero. Of course, just being shot he had no idea that anyone else had been injured. You think he was supposed to go back to the podium and ask "how the injured are"? Then what? He was going to break away from the secret service to console them. Good grief. I know things are boring in Canada but that level of Trump Derangement Syndrome is embarrassing. Maybe ask yourself these questions. What kind of person acts like Trudeau? Putting on black and brown face numerous times. What kind of person acts like Old Joe and Dirty Hunter taking millions from foreign governments in influence peddling? What kind of person acts like Walz deserting his comrades just before they were deployed to a combat zone? What kind of person is Kamala's husband impregnating his kids' nanny? The great dad the media was fawning over last night? What kind of person is Epstein Island VIP Bill Clinton speaking tonight? But Trump is shot and he is the bad guy.
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It's nice to see normal regular everyday people at an American convention again. Even the speakers are just like regular folk, not weird.
Instead of a gaudy Mar-a-Lago Club side-show, happy Democrats were seen being inspired to fight for fundamental freedoms and to stop once-and-for-all the cancer of Trumpism and Neo-Fascism. What kind of tribute will the RNC give Daffy Duck in 2028 after he's cost them elections in 2020, 2022 and 2024?
Wait a minute. Maybe the MAGA people are stupid entranced enough to give him another run in 2028. ::)
Yes, I too am very happy with this convention. It is being run very well. I like Michele Obama's comment that next year, Trump will be starting on his black job. But many speakers last night were good. Senator Tammy Duckworth gave a very short speech that was absolute dynamite. If you missed it, look it up on Youtube.
if Trump loses in 2024, they will not run with him again, even if he avoids prison. They will drop him like a hot potatoe. Instead they will likely look for another dictator want-to-be. Someone younger without all the negative baggage that Trump has.
The only question is, if Trump loses a lot, and drags down a lot of other Republican candidates with him, will they try this again? Maybe not, to avoid another disaster. On the other hand, the demographics of America is continuing to change, people of just European descent will continue dropping. The allure of win once, win forever, is still very strong.
A difficulty is that there is not going to be just one dictator want-to-be.There will be many who want that job. They will have to signal to MAGA with coded talk (good people on both sides) that they are the guy. As one surges ahead, the others will become even more explicit, to try to get the MAGA crowd behind them They will not be able to catch us by surprise like they did in 2016 and (at least for me) in 2020.
They have found that for each day a door knocker works, visiting residences with a Democratic voter, they get an estimated extra 5 Democratic voters to vote who would not have voted otherwise. These estimates are based on statistics comparing voter turn out in neighborhoods that had door knockers compared to those that did not. I live in Washington state but I am staying in Pennsylvania for the last 4 weeks before November 5 to knock on doors all day, six days a week, to get fellow Democrats to vote. There are thousands of volunteers who will travel to swing states to go knock on doors. I have been in zoom meetings with 30 of them at a time. We are coming. Some have already started.
If MAGA tries again in 2028, thousands of us will come back again and knock on doors in swing states, setting them up for another massive failure. We will have many more volunteers in 2028 than even 2024, if they dare try again. I say to MAGA, "Bring it on."
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Joe posted numerous threads claiming Trump wasn't shot. . . .
I think Trump was hit by a bullet fragment, not a bullet. There were bullet fragments found on the stage near where Trump was standing. There were 4 policemen standing near Trump on the stage and like Trump, they had minor wounds.
Also, a supersonic bullet can cause serious ear damage if it passes within 1.2 meters or 120 cm of an ear. If it was a bullet the struck his ear, it passed within 5 cm of his eardrum, and yet Trump did not go deaf in that ear, as far as I can tell. I doubt Trump would have been immediately released from the hospital in Butler PA if a bullet passed within 5 cm of his eardrum.
In any case the FBI is studying his and they will come up with a report on this at some point in time, probably after November 5.
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I think Trump was hit by a bullet fragment, not a bullet. There were bullet fragments found on the stage near where Trump was standing. There were 4 policemen standing near Trump on the stage and like Trump, they had minor wounds.
Also, a supersonic bullet can cause serious ear damage if it passes within 1.2 meters or 120 cm of an ear. If it was a bullet the struck his ear, it passed within 5 cm of his eardrum, and yet Trump did not go deaf in that ear, as far as I can tell. I doubt Trump would have been immediately released from the hospital in Butler PA if a bullet passed within 5 cm of his eardrum.
In any case the FBI is studying his and they will come up with a report on this at some point in time, probably after November 5.
Joe Elliott July 27: "The object that struck Trump was not a bullet. It was a fragment of debris that was propelled by the bullet." You are having as much trouble keeping your story straight as Kamala. Maybe invest in a teleprompter and hire Obama's speech writer.
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Not showing up in Google. What part of the Internet should I be lookin in?
Huh? How about checking this forum? Like the post that immediately preceded your bizarre rant. I'll cut and paste it for you a second time:
Joe Elliott July 27: "The object that struck Trump was not a bullet. It was a fragment of debris that was propelled by the bullet."
You are really taking issue with what Trump said a moment after he was shot? While he was still bleeding from a near death gun shot to the head. You think he was supposed to break free from the secret service agents surrounding him to "console" people who he didn't know were even shot? While someone might still be aiming a rifle at him for all he knew. I've read some unhinged criticisms of Trump but that is tin foil hat derangement syndrome. And you are also blaming Trump for getting shot? Wow. That is frightening to justify an assassination attempt. How do you come up with that? The shooter was an unhinged loon. Another of the many young people of that age group whose mental health suffered from the unnecessary and politically motivated COVID closure of his school. If anything else motivated him other than mental illness, it was being exposed to the same leftist media propaganda as yourself. He contributed to ActBlue. A left-wing group. Another depressed, lonely loon with leftist political beliefs. Calling LHO.
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Joe Elliott July 27: "The object that struck Trump was not a bullet. It was a fragment of debris that was propelled by the bullet." You are having as much trouble keeping your story straight as Kamala. Maybe invest in a teleprompter and hire Obama's speech writer.
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The FBI said it was a bullet or a bullet fragment. And they didn't find non bullet fragments on the stage, they found fragments of a bullet. So I have "changed my story". And I will change my story again if the FBI finally rules that it was a bullet. But I doubt this will happen because Trump should have lost his hearing in his right ear and would not have been almost immediately released by the doctors if he was struck in the ear by a bullet, even a grazing bullet. But I await their report.
My "story" does not always stay "straight", that is always stay the same. It is affected by new evidence.
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But I doubt this will happen because Trump should have lost his hearing in his right ear and would not have been almost immediately released by the doctors if he was struck in the ear by a bullet, even a grazing bullet. But I await their report.
The supersonic shock wave does not deliver much energy. If the 10 gram bullet traveling at 1000 m/s loses on the order of 1 m/s per m of travel the energy imparted per m is:
1/2 m(v2-(v-1)2)=1/2 m(2v-1)=m(v-.5)=10 joules. And that is distributed in a cone over an entire metre. His ear opening is maybe 1cm and on one side of the cone. So the energy reaching the ear is 1/200th of that or .05J. And the bullet would have to pass over the ear canal to impart some of that energy to the ear drum. In this case, the bullet passed an inch or so above the ear canal because it struck the upper part of the outer ear.
What evidence is there that a bullet shock wave event applied directly over the ear canal will cause hearing loss ie. break an ear drum?
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The superficial graze wasn't "a near death gun shot to the head". It was skin-deep in a small area of the outer ear rim ("felt the bullet ripping through the skin", said Trump). Ronny Jackson's description of 2 cm described surrounding swelling. Media described the injury as "Trump was not seriously wounded" and "Trump suffered an ear injury but was not seriously hurt". The psychological trauma was more concerning, said Dr. Sanjay Gupta.
The bullet came within a hair of blowing his head off. And you are quibbling over whether it was a near death experience? A near death experience can be both physical and mental. This incident qualifies on both counts.
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I didn't say it wasn't a near-death experience. It was. The video and photos are very disturbing to watch. The one death and two who had actual serious injuries are heart-wrenching.
I questioned your cult-like exaggeration of Der Messiah's pathetically-tiny wound being life-threatening, when you wrote:
"While he was still bleeding from a near death gun shot to the head."
There is no "exaggeration" about this. He was bleeding from a near death gun shot to the head. The bullet came within an inch of blowing his head off. It was near death experience even if he had not been hit at all. I know you are a Trump hater but if you are quibbling about this level of detail it might be time to turn off MSNBC. To characterize a simple fact as "cult-like exaggeration" is the embodiment of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Of course, the original point under the discussion was not the severity of Trump's wound but your profoundly stupid criticism that he should have broken away from the secret service to console those injured in the crowd. One of the most laughable things I've ever read here. Hopefully you were not serious. Imagine Trump with his ear shot and bleeding and in a cauldron of secret service agents fighting his way through them to the crowd to administer aid to people he had no idea were injured. Good grief.
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Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is real.
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Trump's tiny ear graze came closer to missing him all together than hitting him. The outer edge of his right was tilted out from his head.
I made no such "profoundly stupid criticism" about Trump going over over to check on people -- cite it if I did. I wondered why all Trump, after he was lifted up, asked about was the condition of his shoes. I thought he might have had the decency to ask about others who might have took the bullets meant for him; I didn't expect he would go over to see how a "basement dweller" was doing. The Secret Service wouldn't allow that, but they did allow him to speak ... and all he could express was concern about was his shoes.
Attempting to trivialize as a "tiny ear graze" a rifle shot that came within an inch of blowing his head off is laughable. Trump didn't ask "about the condition of his shoes." That is a demonstrably false statement. They were knocked off his feet and he wanted to retrieve them. That is all beside the point, however, Again, there is no way that the secret service was going to allow Trump to get back to the podium and ask if anyone was injured. That is a profoundly stupid criticism.
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The supersonic shock wave does not deliver much energy. If the 10 gram bullet traveling at 1000 m/s loses on the order of 1 m/s per m of travel the energy imparted per m is:
1/2 m(v2-(v-1)2)=1/2 m(2v-1)=m(v-.5)=10 joules. And that is distributed in a cone over an entire metre. His ear opening is maybe 1cm and on one side of the cone. So the energy reaching the ear is 1/200th of that or .05J. And the bullet would have to pass over the ear canal to impart some of that energy to the ear drum. In this case, the bullet passed an inch or so above the ear canal because it struck the upper part of the outer ear.
What evidence is there that a bullet shock wave event applied directly over the ear canal will cause hearing loss ie. break an ear drum?
I think I have answered my question and I should apologize to Joe (Elliot, not Biden) for suggesting that he may be overstating the point. It appears that it is possible for a shock wave from a bullet to damage a person's hearing. see:
"Auditory risk of exposure to ballistic N-waves from bullets", Gregory A Flamme, William J Murphy, International Journal of Audiology 2019 Feb,2019 Feb;58(sup1):S58-S64. (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30700223/)
However, while the cone shaped shock wave (emanating from the tip of the supersonic bullet pushing through the air) can damage hearing, to do so the wave has to impart pressure toward the eardrum. In this case the missile passed above the ear canal and right next to DJT's ear. The bullet shock wave may have passed too obliquely to the opening of the ear canal to impart sufficient pressure on the ear drum to damage it.
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Fact: Trump had a legitimate reason to drop to the ground after he was aware of the whatever it was projectile that grazed by his ear.
But since I’m still a CT (more or less ) it would be an interesting exercise in speculation how Trump could have pulled off a fake injury to his ear.
One possibility is the use of a sharp ring in the hand that could puncture the ear lob.
But it’s doubtful that the doctor could be fooled unless the doctor was in on covering it up kind of like the Navy autopsy doctor who examined JFK and then tore up his notes.
I’m not sure how to integrate this into the topic of “Joe Bidens Legacy”other than to engage in more speculation that rhetoric from Biden about taking Trump behind the wood shed could have prompted The troubled Crooks to act out.
Thank you for reading this far and good day to to everyone on this JFK Forum regardless your particular bias either for or against the WC report and or the 2024 candidates/parties.
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ECM was right about prosecutors being effective debaters. I think some effort should be taken by the Democratic party to encourage prosecutors to go into politics, the House, the Senate, run for Governor so that in twenty years, we have a crop of possible Presidential candidates who are former prosecutors.
When was the last time America had a presidential candidate who was so good at debating? Abraham Lincoln? Although, even there, Lincoln was best at preparing a speech and was relatively weak at responding to unexpected questions. And it is ironic, that in that era, presidential candidates did not debate, causing one of his strong points to be wasted. The Lincoln / Douglass debates occurred while they were running for the Senate in 1858, not for the presidency in 1860.
Dewey might have been quite good, but irrelevant since in 1944 and 1948, presidential candidates still did not debate each other. It was still considered 'Unpresidential'.
Another point. In the first Kennedy Lincoln debate, one reason Kennedy did better is he wore a suit that contrasted with the background. Nixon wore a grey suit that blended in with the background, at least on black and white TV, which the vast majority of TVs were. Last night, Trump worn a blue suit that blended in with the background while Harris black suit contrasted quite well with the background. A minor advantage.
Also, I think sitting on the right side, the stronger side in movies and TV gave a better advantage over having the last word, which Trump chose to do.
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Finally, a word about President Biden. Yes, he did do the right thing in stepping down. But he was wise enough to do so after the Republican convention, making the attacks against Biden during the Republican convention a waste of time. Even more importantly, he threw all his support behind Harris. People forget but there was a lot of calls to not only have Biden step down but to have Harris bypassed as well. This would have been a disaster. It also helped that all the possible candidates, like Newsom and a host of others, put aside their ambitions and threw their support behind Harris. That is amazing and was critical for Harris to get the nomination effortless without Democrats shooting each other down.
In June of 2024, Joseph Biden was not the candidate we needed. But he was the president we needed. We are damm lucky to have had such a great president during this critical time. He didn't pick a running mate in 2020 from a swing state but the candidate he felt was best as a possible future president. He somehow got the country to recover from the mess Trump left us in, in time for the next election. He had the judgement to step down and the judgement to throw all his weight behind Harris, when others thought he should do differently. Not so sharp on stage anymore, and never was, but with a Lincoln like judgment on Presidential decisions, even into his eighties.
Harris is like a rising rocket right now. Biden is like the first stage of the Saturn V rocket which never gets to reach orbit and will fall back to Earth but which enables other parts of the rocket to go into orbit and later reach the moon.
Otto von Bismarck once said, "there is providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children, and the United States of America". I am not a religious man but it is amazing that when America gets into really bad trouble, and really bad trouble always comes from within, America is always able to find a Lincoln, or a Biden, or a Harris, to bail us out. I am still an agnostic but I am an agnostic who wonders.
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ECM was right about prosecutors being effective debaters. I think some effort should be taken by the Democratic party to encourage prosecutors to go into politics, the House, the Senate, run for Governor so that in twenty years, we have a crop of possible Presidential candidates who are former prosecutors.
When was the last time America had a presidential candidate who was so good at debating? Abraham Lincoln? Although, even there, Lincoln was best at preparing a speech and was relatively weak at responding to unexpected questions. And it is ironic, that in that era, presidential candidates did not debate, causing one of his strong points to be wasted. The Lincoln / Douglass debates occurred while they were running for the Senate in 1858, not for the presidency in 1860.
Dewey might have been quite good, but irrelevant since in 1944 and 1948, presidential candidates still did not debate each other. It was still considered 'Unpresidential'.
Another point. In the first Kennedy Lincoln debate, one reason Kennedy did better is he wore a suit that contrasted with the background. Nixon wore a grey suit that blended in with the background, at least on black and white TV, which the vast majority of TVs were. Last night, Trump worn a blue suit that blended in with the background while Harris black suit contrasted quite well with the background. A minor advantage.
Also, I think sitting on the right side, the stronger side in movies and TV gave a better advantage over having the last word, which Trump chose to do.
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Finally, a word about President Biden. Yes, he did do the right thing in stepping down. But he was wise enough to do so after the Republican convention, making the attacks against Biden during the Republican convention a waste of time. Even more importantly, he threw all his support behind Harris. People forget but there was a lot of calls to not only have Biden step down but to have Harris bypassed as well. This would have been a disaster. It also helped that all the possible candidates, like Newsom and a host of others, put aside their ambitions and threw their support behind Harris. That is amazing and was critical for Harris to get the nomination effortless without Democrats shooting each other down.
In June of 2024, Joseph Biden was not the candidate we needed. But he was the president we needed. We are damm lucky to have had such a great president during this critical time. He didn't pick a running mate in 2020 from a swing state but the candidate he felt was best as a possible future president. He somehow got the country to recover from the mess Trump left us in, in time for the next election. He had the judgement to step down and the judgement to throw all his weight behind Harris, when others thought he should do differently. Not so sharp on stage anymore, and never was, but with a Lincoln like judgment on Presidential decisions, even into his eighties.
Harris is like a rising rocket right now. Biden is like the first stage of the Saturn V rocket which never gets to reach orbit and will fall back to Earth but which enables other parts of the rocket to go into orbit and later reach the moon.
Otto von Bismarck once said, "there is providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children, and the United States of America". I am not a religious man but it is amazing that when America gets into really bad trouble, and really bad trouble always comes from within, America is always able to find a Lincoln, or a Biden, or a Harris, to bail us out. I am still an agnostic but I am an agnostic who wonders.
Comparing Kamala - who has yet to receive a single vote or implement a single policy - to Abraham Lincoln is as delusional as your baseless claim that Trump was not hit by a bullet. That is far out tin foil hat stuff. And Biden didn't "step down." He was forced out in a coup after winning the primaries where 15 million voters elected him as the Dem nominee. He said that he would drop out only if God almighty told him too. He was forced out like in a banana republic. Likely with a promise to pardon his multiple felon son. The Dems staged an insurrection to remove him from office because they knew that he could not win. Imagine being such a terrible incumbent president that your own party forces you out of office even after he won the primary. It's never happened in US history. He is the worst president in modern US history. Arguably ever. No one even knows where he is at. A complete non-factor.
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Joe Biden did Not "Step Down". He was "Gilligan'd" to the beach. Coupled with Harris being MIA for 5 days doing Debate Prep, Trump last night brought up,"Who is running this country?". This same Joe 6 Pack question is being asked across the USA on a daily basis.
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Comparing Kamala - who has yet to receive a single vote or implement a single policy - to Abraham Lincoln is as delusional as your baseless claim that Trump was not hit by a bullet. That is far out tin foil hat stuff.
Ok. So complete this sentence for us:
Trump comparing himself to Abraham Lincoln during the debate with Biden is as delusional as:________________________. This is:_______________
Here is my suggestion:
as delusional as: RFK Jr. thinking he should stuff a dead bear in his trunk so he can take it home for supper before taking it into Manhattan and disposing of it in Central Park to make it look like the bear was killed by a cyclist....
This is: stuff that someone with a half eaten brain might come up with but not a candidate for President.
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Ok. So complete this sentence for us:
Trump comparing himself to Abraham Lincoln during the debate with Biden is as delusional as:________________________. This is:_______________
Here is my suggestion:
as delusional as: RFK Jr. thinking he should stuff a dead bear in his trunk so he can take it home for supper before taking it into Manhattan and disposing of it in Central Park to make it look like the bear was killed by a cyclist....
This is: stuff that someone with a half eaten brain might come up with but not a candidate for President.
I don't think Trump compares to Abraham Lincoln but he is certainly a lot closer having actually won an election and implemented several successful policy objectives as President than Kacklin' Kamala who has done absolutely nothing except contribute to the failures of the Biden administration. The obsession with Trump is laughable, however. If he invented a cure for cancer, the Trump haters would tell us he had selfishly ignored the overpopulation implications and was contributing to global warming.
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The obsession with Trump is laughable, however. If he invented a cure for cancer, the Trump haters would tell us he had selfishly ignored the overpopulation implications and was contributing to global warming.
Just because Trump adherents hate those who are opposed to Trump doesn't mean that those who oppose Trump hate him. Hate is an irrational emotion. People oppose Trump for rational, carefully considered reasons. One can intensely dislike a person for very good reasons without hating them. Besides, if Trump invented a cure for cancer he wouldn't be the self-obsessed, insecure, egotistical narcissist that he is now.
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As usual. Resort to the Personal Attack and run away from addressing The Issue(s). There's no defending the "Border Czar" welcoming 10+ Million Illegal Aliens inside the USA on the taxpayer's dime.
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As usual. Resort to the Personal Attack and run away from addressing The Issue(s). There's no defending the "Border Czar" welcoming 10+ Million Illegal Aliens inside the USA on the taxpayer's dime.
The ten million is just the official number of encounters. No one knows the real number including those who simply walk or were smuggled across and disappeared without encountering the border patrol. It could be 20 million. Nothing better demonstrates the complicity of the media than their quibbling over whether Kacklin' Kamala was the "Border Czar." The title doesn't matter. She was put in charge of the border however that job is characterized. The media, however, is running cover for her and tries to obscure that fact with pedantic nitpicking over something that doesn't matter.
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If anyone sees an elderly white man who appears disoriented in the DC/Delaware area, please notify the WH. No one has seen the president in weeks. He may have escaped his handlers. Who is in charge? Apparently no one.
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I saw recent images of Joe at a Fire House. He had a MAGA Hat on. One of the many, many cross-over votes for Trump.
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The ten million is just the official number of encounters. No one knows the real number including those who simply walk or were smuggled across and disappeared without encountering the border patrol. It could be 20 million. Nothing better demonstrates the complicity of the media than their quibbling over whether Kacklin' Kamala was the "Border Czar." The title doesn't matter. She was put in charge of the border however that job is characterized. The media, however, is running cover for her and tries to obscure that fact with pedantic nitpicking over something that doesn't matter.
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You are faulting her for relying on Trump’s border wall that he claimed was almost complete? It was so effective that Trump opposed the bipartisan bill that Kamala Harris helped develop and negotiate. Biden wanted to sign it but Republicans in Congress refused to pass it at Trump’s command. Trump thought the border would be fixed before the election, which was the only policy that he could run on.
That bill would have significantly increased the number of U.S. agents on the border and closed loopholes in the border crossing process for commercial vehicles that crime cartels use to their advantage. It would have drastically shortened the asylum process by adding 100 immigration judges to deal with case backlog and added 4,300 new immigration agents to handle the caseload and keep families together while the process unfolded.
So, if you care to look at the facts, Trump has no interest in seeing the border problems being fixed. He needs it to come a problem to get elected - and he has enough elected Republicans who are afraid of him to follow his wishes.
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This is the weakest argument that the Dem's can muster regarding the 10+ Million Illegal Aliens that they have already Welcomed into the USA. Trump had the Southern Border locked down tighter than a tick. Joe Biden undid the Trump Border Restrictions Immediately after being sworn in. Almost 4 years later, the Dems want to pass legislation that would permit 1,400 illegals to continue flooding into the USA onna daily basis. Permitting 1,400 Illegals to cross the Southern Border onna daily basis is ridiculous. The mass deportations of Violent Illegal Aliens will be put into motion on Jan 20/Day 1 of Trump's 2nd Term. The liberation of Aurora, Colorado and Springfield, Ohio are Priority 1.
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This is the weakest argument that the Dem's can muster regarding the 10+ Million Illegal Aliens that they have already Welcomed into the USA. Trump had the Southern Border locked down tighter than a tick. Joe Biden undid the Trump Border Restrictions Immediately after being sworn in. Almost 4 years later, the Dems want to pass legislation that would permit 1,400 illegals to continue flooding into the USA onna daily basis. Permitting 1,400 Illegals to cross the Southern Border onna daily basis is ridiculous. The mass deportations of Violent Illegal Aliens will be put into motion on Jan 20/Day 1 of Trump's 2nd Term. The liberation of Aurora, Colorado and Springfield, Ohio are Priority 1.
The number of illegal immigrants from Mexico on the southern border has declined steadily since 2007. Your imagination is like Trump's. It needs to be tempered by actual data:
(https://i.postimg.cc/269rdHHp/illegal-mexico-JPG.jpg)
Total numbers of undocumented immigrants has not been increasing since 2007 and most of those have been by Asian and European's overstaying their visas:
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The bottom graph has nothing to do with ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS. It addresses people already living inside the USA. People overstaying their Visa. The top graph is RESTRICTED to people "FROM MEXICO". The lowball figure of 10+ Million illegal Aliens/Border Crossings includes people from ALL COUNTRIES.
Be careful with the graphs/numbers that are dumped into the public domain. The Fed just erased 818,000 "Newly Created Jobs" that the Biden/Harris Administration was previously trumpeting. And now we are seeing revisions WAY UPWARD in the Biden/Harris Administration numbers regarding Various Crimes being committed across the USA. The legit numbers only come out when courageous Whistle Blowers step forward and force the Biden/Harris Administration to reveal The Truth.
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The bottom graph has nothing to do with ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS. It addresses people already living inside the USA. People overstaying their Visa. The top graph is RESTRICTED to people "FROM MEXICO". The lowball figure of 10+ Million illegal Aliens/Border Crossings includes people from ALL COUNTRIES.
Be careful with the graphs/numbers that are dumped into the public domain. The Fed just erased 818,000 "Newly Created Jobs" that the Biden/Harris Administration was previously trumpeting. And now we are seeing revisions WAY UPWARD in the Biden/Harris Administration numbers of Crime across the USA. The legit numbers only come out when courageous Whistle Blowers step forward and force the Biden/Harris Administration to provide the Truth.
I see. So you admit that you don't have any numbers to refute those from the several independent bodies that monitor these numbers.
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So, you admit those 2 graphs do Not address the 10+ Million Illegal Aliens/Border Crossings. This is progress. The 10+ Million Figure is routinely accepted by both sides of the aisle. And again, that is a very Low Ball number. Calif loves waving these Illegals into their state. This inflates their population numbers which in turn results in their maintaining or increasing the number of Congressmen they are awarded. Same goes for their electoral college vote total. With the masses leaving Calif, they need this influx for political reasons. As usual, the bottom line motivation is Power.
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A multitude of sources including the Biden administration's own data confirms a record high number of border crossings under this inept administration. Once again, however, a leftist is telling us not to trust our own eyes. Kamala and Old Joe didn't let all these folks in. Those films and photos and data of the chaos and overrun border could be a deep fake. If not, it is somehow Trump's fault. Repeat endlessly.
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And even here we have someone swallowing the Bogus/Misleading Graphs/Numbers they continue putting out there. This is right in line with their claiming the Afghan withdrawal was completely Hunky Dory even though we see people falling from the landing gear of airborne planes, along with the military deaths. They will do whatever they can to stay In Power. Nothing is outta bounds.
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So, you admit those 2 graphs do Not address the 10+ Million Illegal Aliens/Border Crossings. This is progress. The 10+ Million Figure is routinely accepted by both sides of the aisle. And again, that is a very Low Ball number. Calif loves waving these Illegals into their state. This inflates their population numbers which in turn results in their maintaining or increasing the number of Congressmen they are awarded. Same goes for their electoral college vote total. With the masses leaving Calif, they need this influx for political reasons. As usual, the bottom line motivation is Power.
10 million total. That is what the graphs I provided show. But you are saying 10+ million per year? Where does that come from? The estimates based on reliable figures is about 500,000 per year:
Wikipedia: Illegal Immigration to the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States)
two thirds of which are visitors overstaying their visas.
Trump wants you to believe that the number of clandestine entries across the southern borders not spotted by border patrols or the number of people who are smuggled in to the U.S. by human traffickers is huge. But there is no evidence that attempts to cross have increased. Now with the impenetrable border wall that Trump built, they are likely very small. After all, Trump didn't want to increase the number of border guards and did not want to plug some of the loopholes used by organized crime so it couldn't be that serious.
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And even here we have someone swallowing the Bogus/Misleading Graphs/Numbers they continue putting out there. This is right in line with their claiming the Afghan withdrawal was completely Hunky Dory even though we see people falling from the landing gear of airborne planes, along with the military deaths. They will do whatever they can to stay In Power. Nothing is outta bounds.
So show us the evidence that they are bogus.
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You're forgetting that Biden tore down much of the Trump Border Wall. And you are forgetting that for 2 yrs the Biden/Harris administration claimed there was No Problem down on the Southern Border. Now, they admit the Tens Of Millions of Illegals that have crossed and remain inside the USA. Plus, they also Now admit that 100's of Terrorist's have also crossed into this country and remain here. You're following in Lock Step the numbers the Fed is feeding you. The Biden/Harris Administration also supplied the 818,000 New Created Jobs figure that they were forced to rescind, and they gave you the Bogus Crime Numbers that have also Now been proven to be Rigged.
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You're forgetting that Biden tore down much of the Trump Border Wall.
You need to check your facts. That appears to be made up. Biden tried to re-direct funding for border wall construction and was unable to get Congress to do it. So more wall was actually built under Biden. (https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/bidens-border-wall-explained/)
And you are forgetting that for 2 yrs the Biden/Harris administration claimed there was No Problem down on the Southern Border. Now, they admit the Tens Of Millions of Illegals that have crossed and remain inside the USA.
Another made-up factoid. There are only 11 million illegals in the U.S. now. You need some evidence to support your claims. Trump is not a reliable source of anything except BS.
Plus, they also Now admit that 100's of Terrorist's have also crossed into this country and remain here. You're following in Lock Step the numbers the Fed is feeding you. The Biden/Harris Administration also supplied the 818,000 New Created Jobs figure that they were forced to rescind, and they gave you the Bogus Crime Numbers that have also Now been proven to be Rigged.
Again, another unchecked factoid spewn from someone's lower half. There are definitely concerns about people on the terror watch list trying to enter the U.S. through the southern border. Biden tried to beef up border security but the Republicans refused to pass the bipartisan bill that was negotiated. The House Committee on Immigration and Enforcement has looked into these concerns several times. Here is a comment from Rep. Jayapal to which no rebuttal was made by his Republican colleagues:
(https://i.postimg.cc/T1rRLyYp/House-Jaypal-immigration-terrorists.jpg)
(https://www.congress.gov/event/118th-congress/house-event/116352/text)
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"That APPEARS to be made up". Translation = You do Not Know. With regard to Terrorists now inside the USA, that's a Fact. You obviously have missed Wray saying so in front of Congress. This is what happens when an ILLEGAL ALIEN is caught, given an appearance court date well into the future, (sometimes years), and then RELEASED inside the USA. We really do Not Know specifically who an Illegal Alien really is. And let's not forget that Illegal Aliens are claiming ASYLUM. They are supposed to be legitimately fearing for their life.
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"That APPEARS to be made up". Translation = You do Not Know.
I included the fact-check link (https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/bidens-border-wall-explained/) so you can see for yourself that Biden did not stop construction of the border wall that was started under Trump. Why don’t you reply to that and show where it is wrong.
With regard to Terrorists now inside the USA, that's a Fact. You obviously have missed Wray saying so in front of Congress. This is what happens when an ILLEGAL ALIEN is caught, given an appearance court date well into the future, (sometimes years), and then RELEASED inside the USA. We really do Not Know specifically who an Illegal Alien really is. And let's not forget that Illegal Aliens are claiming ASYLUM. They are supposed to be legitimately fearing for their life.
Wray admitted that people on the terror watch list - which includes anyone from some countries like Somalia - have appeared at the southern border. Presumably if someone did the impossible and managed to climb over Trump’s wall then there could be some people who you would call terrorists who have entered illegally. But, like you, I don’t know.
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I included the fact-check link (https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/bidens-border-wall-explained/) so you can see for yourself that Biden did not stop construction of the border wall that was started under Trump. Why don’t you reply to that and show where it is wrong.
Wray admitted that people on the terror watch list - which includes anyone from some countries like Somalia - have appeared at the southern border. Presumably if someone did the impossible and managed to climb over Trump’s wall then there could be some people who you would call terrorists who have entered illegally. But, like you, I don’t know.
So you are saying that Trump was correct that a border wall would keep illegal aliens out of the country and that it should have been built? I'm not sure that I'm following your point here. The Dems ran a campaign claiming any such wall was racist and ineffective. During Trump's presidency the Dems obstructed the wall by every possible means. After Biden was elected, his administration left considerable amounts of materials and contracts to build the wall already paid for to rust or sold them off. That was Trump's fault? Trump did the best the could with result while the Dems challenged his every effort to control the border. After three and half years of an open border in which record numbers of illegal aliens entered the country and an election was approaching, the Dems attempted to mitigate the political consequences with some token efforts to reduce the numbers. Not to address the problem but to address their political liability for failure and incompetence. The Republicans correctly did not let them off the hook.
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So you are saying that Trump was correct that a border wall would keep illegal aliens out of the country and that it should have been built? I'm not sure that I'm following your point here.
The point is that, contrary to the claim made by Royell Storing, Biden did not take down any of Trump's wall. Rather, construction that had already been funded and started continued. This was not what Biden wanted. All I said was that if it was such a great wall, how could there be anyone getting across it? That was sarcasm. The wall itself is next to useless without adequately funded border patrols. The idea is to ensure that crossings only occur at border posts, which is what the law requires. But if that was what Republicans wanted, they should not have voted down the bipartisan bill. In fact, Republican's don't want the problem solved. They want to create fear of "illegal aliens" for political advantage and then, after they get into power, crib up "statistics" to make the fear go away.
The Dems ran a campaign claiming any such wall was racist and ineffective. During Trump's presidency the Dems obstructed the wall by every possible means. After Biden was elected, his administration left considerable amounts of materials and contracts to build the wall already paid for to rust or sold them off. That was Trump's fault? Trump did the best the could with result while the Dems challenged his every effort to control the border. After three and half years of an open border in which record numbers of illegal aliens entered the country and an election was approaching, the Dems attempted to mitigate the political consequences with some token efforts to reduce the numbers. Not to address the problem but to address their political liability for failure and incompetence. The Republicans correctly did not let them off the hook.
You seem to have bought the Trump lies. Do you also think Haitian immigrants are eating dogs in Springfield? Funny how that rumour was started by neo-nazis who had previously marched in Springfield to oppose immigration.
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Just how many actual Neo-Nazi's are there in the USA? How many KKK members? How many Poor Boys are roaming around? Until any of this is legitimately "quantified", it is purely a scare tactic.
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The point is that, contrary to the claim made by Royell Storing, Biden did not take down any of Trump's wall. Rather, construction that had already been funded and started continued. This was not what Biden wanted. All I said was that if it was such a great wall, how could there be anyone getting across it? That was sarcasm. The wall itself is next to useless without adequately funded border patrols. The idea is to ensure that crossings only occur at border posts, which is what the law requires. But if that was what Republicans wanted, they should not have voted down the bipartisan bill. In fact, Republican's don't want the problem solved. They want to create fear of "illegal aliens" for political advantage and then, after they get into power, crib up "statistics" to make the fear go away.
You seem to have bought the Trump lies. Do you also think Haitian immigrants are eating dogs in Springfield? Funny how that rumour was started by neo-nazis who had previously marched in Springfield to oppose immigration.
The Dems fought the wall tooth and nail. They used every resource to ensure it wasn't built. They sued Trump. They tried to defund the building of the wall. They claimed he was racist. A wall works. How do we know this? They put one up around the Dem convention to keep people out. They have one around the WH to keep people out. Do they stop 100% of the people who might want to cross? No, but it is better than allowing them to run across a wide-open border. Even the most delusional, Trump-hater has to acknowledge that the Harris border policy was a catastrophe. The ONLY reason that the Dems made any effort to control the border after three years is that they were facing political consequences in an election year. The Republicans rightly rejected those phony efforts. We need a real solution not a short-term political fix to help them in the polls. The Dems have deflected the real problems posed by an influx of millions of illegal aliens with nonsense like the pets. The problems are real and much more serious. To imply this all just a product of "neo-Nazis" is brainwashed MSNBC nonsense. You can't drop ten of thousands of illegal aliens in a small community without any resources to deal with them without massive problems. Medical care, schools, housing, jobs. None of that was taken into consideration.
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The Dems fought the wall tooth and nail. They used every resource to ensure it wasn't built. They sued Trump. They tried to defund the building of the wall. They claimed he was racist. A wall works. How do we know this? They put one up around the Dem convention to keep people out.
What is the point of putting up a wall if it is not patrolled? The wall is easy to climb as the many Youtube videos of people scaling the wall with and without ropes show. The only way to stop crossings is with well staffed border patrols. And the deal to do that was thwarted by those who complained most about the border: ie. when the Trump sycophants, like Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz, refused to support the bi-partisan border bill.
They have one around the WH to keep people out. Do they stop 100% of the people who might want to cross? No, but it is better than allowing them to run across a wide-open border.
The Rio Grande River makes up 2000 km of the border. No one is even suggesting a wall blocking the river. Americans don't want to have to go over a wall to enjoy their river and I don't think the Mexicans would let the U.S. put it on the Mexican side. Abbot's sick attempt at eviscerating migrants attempting to cross near El Paso didn't work. Unless the river is monitored and patrolled - which takes people - you have 2000 km of open border even with a wall.
The Dems have deflected the real problems posed by an influx of millions of illegal aliens with nonsense like the pets. The problems are real and much more serious. To imply this all just a product of "neo-Nazis" is brainwashed MSNBC nonsense. You can't drop ten of thousands of illegal aliens in a small community without any resources to deal with them without massive problems. Medical care, schools, housing, jobs. None of that was taken into consideration.
Springfield's Republican mayor and the Republican Governor of Ohio would seem to disagree with you. They seem pretty happy with the Haitian emigrees who seem to have found jobs and accommodation, schools, etc. Despite J.D. Vance's distopian view of the situation, things were going rather well in Springfield (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-jd-vances-claims-haitian-migrants-springfield/story?id=113844705)
They hadn't counted on the additional resources required by the police and law enforcement, however. But that is only recent - to deal with the bomb threats and other security threats created by Trump's baseless allegations. And the only reason he made them was because his campaign was apparently listening to the Neo-Nazi group headed by two ex-marines who made up the rumour. (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/09/17/neo-nazi-group-led-2-ex-marines-pushed-and-cheered-haitian-pet-eating-claims-gripping-ohio-city.html)
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What is the point of putting up a wall if it is not patrolled? The wall is easy to climb as the many Youtube videos of people scaling the wall with and without ropes show. The only way to stop crossings is with well staffed border patrols. And the deal to do that was thwarted by those who complained most about the border: ie. when the Trump sycophants, like Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz, refused to support the bi-partisan border bill.
The Rio Grande River makes up 2000 km of the border. No one is even suggesting a wall blocking the river. Americans don't want to have to go over a wall to enjoy their river and I don't think the Mexicans would let the U.S. put it on the Mexican side. Abbot's sick attempt at eviscerating migrants attempting to cross near El Paso didn't work. Unless the river is monitored and patrolled - which takes people - you have 2000 km of open border even with a wall.
Springfield's Republican mayor and the Republican Governor of Ohio would seem to disagree with you. They seem pretty happy with the Haitian emigrees who seem to have found jobs and accommodation, schools, etc. Despite J.D. Vance's distopian view of the situation, things were going rather well in Springfield (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-jd-vances-claims-haitian-migrants-springfield/story?id=113844705)
They hadn't counted on the additional resources required by the police and law enforcement, however. But that is only recent - to deal with the bomb threats and other security threats created by Trump's baseless allegations. And the only reason he made them was because his campaign was apparently listening to the Neo-Nazi group headed by two ex-marines who made up the rumour. (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/09/17/neo-nazi-group-led-2-ex-marines-pushed-and-cheered-haitian-pet-eating-claims-gripping-ohio-city.html)
So silly and biased. You ask what is the point of putting up a wall because a few people might climb it? LOL. It stops people from walking across the border. Maybe not 100% but most. That is certainly a significant improvement over the current situation. The Dems oppose it solely on political grounds because they can't acknowledge that Trump had a great idea. And, of course, your criticism of the wall is based on a false premise that the wall would be the only means to stop illegals from crossing. The border IS well patrolled. The problem is that under the Biden/Harris administration the Border Patrol is ordered not to enforce the immigration laws but to act as tour guides for those that cross. Finding them food, transportation and housing instead of deporting them. The problem isn't a lack of resources but a failure to enforce the law.
Again, with the pet story? This is the typical leftist deflection hoax to avoid the real issues. Inflation, crime, Afghanistan disgrace, funding Iran, endless war, corruption, incompetence and on and on. Or as Tim Walz recently put it: "We can't afford four more years of this."
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Old Joe appears to have reached the point that he can't be allowed into public view. His wife is attending cabinet meetings. He began screeching "who's next" at a recent event. Sad and bizarre. The media is now completely ignoring Biden. Like he is no longer president. The world, however, is spinning out of control as the endless wars escalate. Where is Kamala? Why not send her to Israel to sort things out? She is equally invisible except for reading off the teleprompter. She is not qualified to work at a convenience store much less address the serious issues confronting this administration.
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Joe Biden's legacy? LOL. The real-world implications of the Biden/Harris catastrophe are on full display today as the endless wars begun from their weakness and incompetence continue to escalate with no end in sight. The lies told to get Biden elected in 2020 and cover up of his dementia by the media have come home to roost. Hundreds of thousands are dead in the Ukraine-Russia war. Hundreds of billions have been wasted. Every red line that Biden set to avoid escalation has been crossed. There is no effort to end it. There is not even a process. Or a plan to develop a process. It is endless war. In Israel, Biden-Harris have bungled this situation time and again. They funded Iran who backed Hamas. Now the entire region is at war. It will take countless years to undo the damage assuming that is even possible. That's the Biden-Harris legacy. Are the leftists and media apologizing for the lies and conspiracy theories used to get Biden elected in 2020. Of course not. They are not concerned with results or consequences. Only retaining power and keeping Trump out of the WH. Anything goes for that sole purpose. It's hard to imagine but just a few months ago, they were telling us nothing was wrong with Old Joe. He was capable of being president for another four years. The biggest fraud in American history.
Where is Kamala in all these disasters? She is the sitting VP and Dem nominee. Invisible because she is an incompetent. Is the media concerned by this and asking her questions about how she will resolve these situations? No. They realize she is incompetent. They don't care about the consequences. They only want to get her elected. The sole objective like in 2020. They will cover up harmful stories, avoid asking difficult questions, and relentlessly fixate on every possible anti-Trump angle to enhance her chances.
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The audacity of the Biden administration in charging NYC Mayor Adams for bribery is breathtaking considering that the Biden crime family engaged in much more egregious conduct along the same lines for decades. Adams is an amateur in bribery compared to Dirty Hunter and Old Joe. Of course, these charges have nothing to do with Adams' conduct as mayor. It has everything to do with Adams daring to criticize the disastrous Biden-Harris border policies which have brought crime and ruin to every major city including NYC. He is getting the Trump treatment of lawfare. Meanwhile, the NYC appellate court is eviscerating the NY AG for the bogus and outlandish fraud suit against Trump. Also brought solely for political reasons.
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The audacity of the Biden administration in charging NYC Mayor Adams for bribery is breathtaking considering that the Biden crime family engaged in much more egregious conduct along the same lines for decades. Adams is an amateur in bribery compared to Dirty Hunter and Old Joe. Of course, these charges have nothing to do with Adams' conduct as mayor. It has everything to do with Adams daring to criticize the disastrous Biden-Harris border policies which have brought crime and ruin to every major city including NYC. He is getting the Trump treatment of lawfare. Meanwhile, the NYC appellate court is eviscerating the NY AG for the bogus and outlandish fraud suit against Trump. Also brought solely for political reasons.
A federal grand jury indicted Adams. So the difference between allegations of bribery committed by Biden and bribery committed by (Democrat) Mayor Adams seems to be the existence of some evidence for the latter.
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A federal grand jury indicted Adams. So the difference between allegations of bribery committed by Biden and bribery committed by (Democrat) Mayor Adams seems to be the existence of some evidence for the latter.
Yes, I guess that is the difference. LOL. This is the Biden "federal" grand jury. The allegations against Adams are laughable even if true compared to the decade's long corruption and bribery of Dirty Hunter and the Big Guy. The difference being that the Biden crime family is protected while Adams became a target due to his criticism of the disastrous Biden-Harris border policy that has unleashed crime, drugs, and untold costs on every American city. Even the most biased, Trump deranged person should be concerned with the Biden administration's weaponization of the justice system. Old Joe has nothing to do with it because he doesn't even know where he is at but the people who work for him are using it to target political opponents.
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Yes, I guess that is the difference. LOL. This is the Biden "federal" grand jury. The allegations against Adams are laughable even if true compared to the decade's long corruption and bribery of Dirty Hunter and the Big Guy. The difference being that the Biden crime family is protected while Adams became a target due to his criticism of the disastrous Biden-Harris border policy that has unleashed crime, drugs, and untold costs on every American city. Even the most biased, Trump deranged person should be concerned with the Biden administration's weaponization of the justice system. Old Joe has nothing to do with it because he doesn't even know where he is at but the people who work for him are using it to target political opponents.
Prosecuting people for whom there is a complaint and evidence of a crime is what the DOJ is supposed to do. There is a clear demarcation between the AG Garland - a former judge - and the Biden family. Do you think that Trump would have an AG that would appoint a special prosecutor to go after one of Trump's children?
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Prosecuting people for whom there is a complaint and evidence of a crime is what the DOJ is supposed to do. There is a clear demarcation between the AG Garland - a former judge - and the Biden family. Do you think that Trump would have an AG that would appoint a special prosecutor to go after one of Trump's children?
"A clear demarcation"? LOL. That's comedy gold. Biden is his boss. None of Trump's children committed multiple felonies. They are not sex trafficking crackheads taking bribes from numerous foreign governments and kicking back a cut for the "big guy." The Biden crime family has peddled influence for decades. Adams is an amateur compared to the Bidens. He is only being prosecuted because of his criticism of the disastrous Biden-Harris immigration policies that have brought crime, drugs, and ruin to almost every American city. To be replaced with a radical, defund the police leftist.
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He is only being prosecuted because of his criticism of the disastrous Biden-Harris immigration policies that have brought crime, drugs, and ruin to almost every American city.
Oh, yeah. I forgot that when Trump was President America was great, again, and none of these problems existed when he left office, (driven out in the leftist coup otherwise known as the 2020 election).
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Oh, yeah. I forgot that when Trump was President America was great, again, and none of these problems existed when he left office, (driven out in the leftist coup otherwise known as the 2020 election).
Imagine if Trump were president and had spent the weekend napping at the beach while hundreds of Americans died in a hurricane. And millions are without power, food, or housing. Then when asked why he wasn't more involved had snapped that he had spent two hours on the phone. And Kacklin' Kamala had to be shamed to interrupt her campaign fundraisers to make an appearance at FEMA. In DC! LOL. Completely tone deaf and unconcerned with the suffering of Americans. A pattern. Meanwhile Trump is at ground zero trying to provide support and help.
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Imagine if Trump were president and had spent the weekend napping at the beach while hundreds of Americans died in a hurricane. And millions are without power, food, or housing. Then when asked why he wasn't more involved had snapped that he had spent two hours on the phone. And Kacklin' Kamala had to be shamed to interrupt her campaign fundraisers to make an appearance at FEMA. In DC! LOL. Completely tone deaf and unconcerned with the suffering of Americans. A pattern. Meanwhile Trump is at ground zero trying to provide support and help.
You seem to have bought the idea that Trump is capable of caring about someone other than himself.
What support and help did he give? Meanwhile, Kamala knows that the last thing the people in the aftermath of a hurricane is to deal with a publicity stunt. But she knows how disaster relief works and where the important decisions are being made to really help the situation.
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You seem to have bought the idea that Trump is capable of caring about someone other than himself.
What support and help did he give? Meanwhile, Kamala knows that the last thing the people in the aftermath of a hurricane is to deal with a publicity stunt. But she knows how disaster relief works and where the important decisions are being made to really help the situation.
LOL. Trump is present at the scene as a private citizen and delivering supplies. Old Joe was at the beach. Kacklin' Kamala was raising money for herself.
"Former President Donald Trump paid a visit to Valdosta, Georgia, on Monday, sending support to those impacted by the deadly path of Hurricane Helene.
“We have a lot of truckloads of different items from oil to water, to all sorts of different equipment that’s going to help them,” the former president said standing in front of a destroyed building that was caught in the storm.
“We’re here to stand in complete solidarity with the people of Georgia and with all of those suffering in the terrible aftermath of Hurricane Helene.”