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JFK Assassination The Dealey Plaza Storm Drain Sewer Theory 1992
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In this video, they state that an Italian weapon was recovered. What happened to this weapon? What type of weapon was it? What type of weapon did the silencer adhere to? This is extremely important information.
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In this video, they state that an Italian weapon was recovered. What happened to this weapon? What type of weapon was it? What type of weapon did the silencer adhere to? This is extremely important information.
it's not the least bit important because it's only make believe.
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The south storm drain would have been an entirely logical choice for a shooting position. It provided concealment, an excellent view of the target, and a secure means of escape. It would have been the logical choice for a skilled assassin.
Yet, WC apologists howl and scoff whenever the south storm drain is mentioned as a possible shooting location. They prefer to believe, or say they believe, that the one and only shooting location was the sixth-floor window, never mind that the back wound and the rear head entry wound do not even come close to aligning back to that window, and never mind that the ammo that hit JFK's head could not have been the ammo that the supposed sixth-floor gunman allegedly used.
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The south storm drain would have been an entirely logical choice for a shooting position. It provided concealment, an excellent view of the target, and a secure means of escape. It would have been the logical choice for a skilled assassin.
Yet, WC apologists howl and scoff whenever the south storm drain is mentioned as a possible shooting location. They prefer to believe, or say they believe, that the one and only shooting location was the sixth-floor window, never mind that the back wound and the rear head entry wound do not even come close to aligning back to that window, and never mind that the ammo that hit JFK's head could not have been the ammo that the supposed sixth-floor gunman allegedly used.
"......logical choice for a shooting position"
I agree as to the storm drain being a logical choice for a shooting position. That's ONLY IF the target is the radiator of the JFK Limo.
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The south storm drain would have been an entirely logical choice for a shooting position. It provided concealment, an excellent view of the target, and a secure means of escape. It would have been the logical choice for a skilled assassin.
Yet, WC apologists howl and scoff whenever the south storm drain is mentioned as a possible shooting location. They prefer to believe, or say they believe, that the one and only shooting location was the sixth-floor window, never mind that the back wound and the rear head entry wound do not even come close to aligning back to that window, and never mind that the ammo that hit JFK's head could not have been the ammo that the supposed sixth-floor gunman allegedly used.
I would agree that at the sewer at the end of the fence there could have been a gunman there because that’s the location that Lee Bowers the rail yard tower operator saw 2 men lingering around. It’s the location where smoke was seen and it’s where that crowd of people and the motorcycle cop rushed up the hill.
It’s a ground level elevation rather than a high elevation so the vertical angle change is minimized. It is just enough to the left of the approaching limo to have a shot at JFK without JC blocking the LOS.
However if this is a 2nd shooter location and the 1st shooter was the TSBD then the Oswald as Patsy plan must have been an after event conspiracy to avoid investigation of any 2nd shooter.
Or Oswald was actually part of a 2 shooter team, he being the 6th floor TSBD shooter who bungled his getaway plan and he had to be shot dead by Ruby for that reason.
The 2 shooter scenario is a low probability imo because it really only requires one skilled shooter to have assassinated JFK if given 3 shots to do it. And I’m not even sure why Dealey Plaza was selected and a position in the TSBD on the 6th floor chosen since it would have been much easier to shoot JFK while he was standing stationary giving a speech at some other place before he ever got into a limo.
All I can figure why Dealey Plaza might have been selected as the place for a multiple gunman execution was because it was at the end of the traveling route and the mastermind conspirator (LBJ?) had a pathological disdain for JFK and desired a place so the spectacle execution would be filmed and photographed from all directions.
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One of the best responses yet. Back shot came from storm drain at corner of Elm and Houston. Only place Ks back shot could have come from being an upward angle. Drain was later removed by Dallas to help with coverup.
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Storm Drain Shooter Analysis With Gary Mack
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The storm drain shooter theory reveals that there is almost no theory too silly for dedicated CTs to embrace. They will buy into any theory other than the truth that Oswald alone shot JFK. There is zero evidence of shot from the storm drains and The History Channel documentary exposed the impossibility of a storm drain shot.
The clip did expose another of Oliver Stone's lies that I had previously missed. Garrison's assistant claimed Oswald would have to have fired the head shot 88 yards through heavy foliage. Of course that's ludicrous. Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of the facts knows when the head shot was fired, JFK had been clear of the foliage for 5 1/2 seconds. Oliver Stone is a despicable liar.
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The storm drain shooter theory reveals that there is almost no theory too silly for dedicated CTs to embrace. They will buy into any theory other than the truth that Oswald alone shot JFK. There is zero evidence of shot from the storm drains and The History Channel documentary exposed the impossibility of a storm drain shot.
The clip did expose another of Oliver Stone's lies that I had previously missed. Garrison's assistant claimed Oswald would have to have fired the head shot 88 yards through heavy foliage. Of course that's ludicrous. Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of the facts knows when the head shot was fired, JFK had been clear of the foliage for 5 1/2 seconds. Oliver Stone is a despicable liar.
"From The Tiny Acorn, Grew The Mighty Oak"
"JFK" (1991) was a movie. It's NOT a Documentary. The powers that be behind that movie do Not claim such. Including Stone.
I believe the true reason people such as yourself remain torqued off 35 yrs later is due to "JFK" the movie bringing us the ARRB. And the ARRB brought out Embalmer Robinson and his detailing having patched the Gaping Hole in the BACK of JFK's head. And Humes revealing that he 1st saw the JFK Coffin/Body at 18:40, which corroborated Sgt Boyajian's paper work of the early arrival of the JFK Coffin/Body. There's plenty more, but it's ARRB JFK Assassination dollops such as this that really drives you guys ape sh*t. It's not the movie all by itself.
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"From The Tiny Acorn, Grew The Mighty Oak"
"JFK" (1991) was a movie. It's NOT a Documentary. The powers that be behind that movie do Not claim such. Including Stone.
I believe the true reason people such as yourself remain torqued off 35 yrs later is due to "JFK" the movie bringing us the ARRB. And the ARRB brought out Embalmer Robinson and his detailing having patched the Gaping Hole in the BACK of JFK's head. And Humes revealing that he 1st saw the JFK Coffin/Body at 18:40, which corroborated Sgt Boyajian's paper work of the early arrival of the JFK Coffin/Body. There's plenty more, but it's ARRB JFK Assassination dollops such as this that really drives you guys ape sh*t. It's not the movie all by itself.
So are we in agreement that it was a BS movie?
The problem is, a lot of people don't know it is BS. They think it's an historical work. It's amazing how many people got most if not all of what they think about the JFKA from that piece of Helicopter :) movie. Somebody like Bill Maher, one of the few liberals I like and respect and who generally displays a good deal of common sense, has been duped by Stone's work of fiction. He doesn't spend a lot of time talking about the JFKA on either his HBO show or his podcast, but when he does, he makes it clear he is a CT and much of his WC skepticism centers around the SBT. His objections to the SBT echo the courtroom demonstration in the movie. All Stone proved with that scene is that when one starts with a faulty premise, it is pretty much inevitable one will reach a fault conclusion which Maher obviously has.
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So are we in agreement that it was a BS movie?
The problem is, a lot of people don't know it is BS. They think it's an historical work. It's amazing how many people got most if not all of what they think about the JFKA from that piece of Helicopter :) movie. Somebody like Bill Maher, one of the few liberals I like and respect and who generally displays a good deal of common sense, has been duped by Stone's work of fiction. He doesn't spend a lot of time talking about the JFKA on either his HBO show or his podcast, but when he does, he makes it clear he is a CT and much of his WC skepticism centers around the SBT. His objections to the SBT echo the courtroom demonstration in the movie. All Stone proved with that scene is that when one starts with a faulty premise, it is pretty much inevitable one will reach a fault conclusion which Maher obviously has.
I'm not a Maher guy. I do respect his having possible access to information and images that I do Not. Same goes for some of the people I do Not agree with on this Forum. They definitely have access to images and information I do Not. You need to consider this. YOU are Not the end-all, be-all with respect to the JFK Assassination. Get over yourself.
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I'm not a Maher guy. I do respect his having possible access to information and images that I do Not. Same goes for some of the people I do Not agree with on this Forum. They definitely have access to images and information I do Not. You need to consider this. YOU are Not the end-all, be-all with respect to the JFK Assassination. Get over yourself.
Maybe not but I figured out a long time ago that Oswald killed JFK and there is no evidence he had any accomplices. I have no explanation for why others are unable to figure it out. There is only one truth and I know what it is.
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Maybe not but I figured out a long time ago that Oswald killed JFK and there is no evidence he had any accomplices. I have no explanation for why others are unable to figure it out. There is only one truth and I know what it is.
You mention that Maher just can Not buy into the SBT. Think about that. Think about Knott Labs using forensic technology to determine that the SBT "Is Impossible". Knott Lab Technology that is used as evidence in courtrooms across the USA.
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You mention that Maher just can Not buy into the SBT. Think about that. Think about Knott Labs using forensic technology to determine that the SBT "Is Impossible". Knott Lab Technology that is used as evidence in courtrooms across the USA.
Maher doesn't buy the SBT because he bought into the phony premise that JBC was seated directly in front of JFK, at the same height, and that JBC was facing straight ahead when the bullet struck. None of those are accurate yet that is how Costner demonstrated it in Ollie's silly Bahookie movie. Based on his comments, Maher seems to have also bought into the myth that JBC reacted to being shot later than JFK did. Also false.
Dale Myers did the same kind of computer generated 3D reconstruction of Dealey Plaza and showed the geometry of the SBT works perfectly. A bullet exiting JFK's throat couldn't have missed JBC's back. I've seen Dale Myers simulations and they are quite convincing. Knott Lab apparently wants us to just take their word for it.
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Maher doesn't buy the SBT because he bought into the phony premise that JBC was seated directly in front of JFK, at the same height, and that JBC was facing straight ahead when the bullet struck. None of those are accurate yet that is how Costner demonstrated it in Ollie's silly Bahookie movie. Based on his comments, Maher seems to have also bought into the myth that JBC reacted to being shot later than JFK did. Also false.
Dale Myers did the same kind of computer generated 3D reconstruction of Dealey Plaza and showed the geometry of the SBT works perfectly. A bullet exiting JFK's throat couldn't have missed JBC's back. I've seen Dale Myers simulations and they are quite convincing. Knott Lab apparently wants us to just take their word for it.
Maher is a very thorough individual. Your selling him short. You do Not know what he has done or not done.
Who is Dale Myers and what courts have admitted his ballistic evidence?
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Maher is a very thorough individual. Your selling him short. You do Not know what he has done or not done.
I can only judge Maher's views on the JFKA based on his comments. His skepticism about the SBT parrots the objections to it that were presented in Oliver Stone's fictitious movie. It's possible he could have got his ideas from other sources which have raised the same invalid objections and which are also based on the false premises that JBC was directly in front of JFK, at the same height, and facing straight ahead and also that JBC reacted to being shot at a different time than JFK.
Who is Dale Myers and what courts have admitted his ballistic evidence?
To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a court case where Myers' 3D virtual recreation of the shooting would be relevant. The same could be said of the Knott Lab reconstruction of the shooting. Do you know of such a case?
For what it's worth, Dale Myers did win an Emmy for his work on ABC's documentary which aired around the 40th anniversary of the JFKA.
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I can only judge Maher's views on the JFKA based on his comments. His skepticism about the SBT parrots the objections to it that were presented in Oliver Stone's fictitious movie. It's possible he could have got his ideas from other sources which have raised the same invalid objections and which are also based on the false premises that JBC was directly in front of JFK, at the same height, and facing straight ahead and also that JBC reacted to being shot at a different time than JFK.
To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a court case where Myers' 3D virtual recreation of the shooting would be relevant. The same could be said of the Knott Lab reconstruction of the shooting. Do you know of such a case?
For what it's worth, Dale Myers did win an Emmy for his work on ABC's documentary which aired around the 40th anniversary of the JFKA.
Knott Labs forensic technology traces bullet trajectories. Get the connection to the SBT?
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Knott Labs forensic technology traces bullet trajectories. Get the connection to the SBT?
Ditto for Dale Myers.
Myers has put his animations on display for all to judge. I have seen the Knott Lab website which contains a link to their YouTube animation:
https://knottlab.com/cases/knott-lab-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/
The website states they started by taking a laser scan of Dealey Plaza. So far, so good. That's what Myers did too. Then they explained the used just 25 photos and 7 frames of the Z-film to sync their animation. That is a fraction of what Myers did. Then we get to the animation on YouTube:
Compared to Myers' animation, its primitive. It looks like they were using 1980s technology. There is very little actual animation. Mostly it moves the perspective around and shows still shots from various angles. Most interesting were their various looks at the trajectory through JFK into JBC beginning the 1:38 mark. For starters they have JBC facing almost straight ahead which is not how he was aligned when the bullet struck. Then they slide him to the left. At 1:38 they show the bullet striking the left side of JBC's back. At 1:40, they show the bullet striking JBC where it actually did hit him. The continue sliding JBC leftward so at 1:42, it appears the bullet would have struck the inside of his right arm and at 1:44 it appears to strike him on the outside of his arm. Because they show this view from the side as opposed to either directly behind the limo or better yet and overhead view, we can't see where JBC is actually aligned in relation to JFK. However, since we know where the bullet actually struck JBC, that should tell them that is where he was positioned when the bullet struck. We know the bullet did not strike JBC on the left side of his back and we know it did not strike him in his right arm so that should eliminate those two as possible positions JBC could have been in at the time the two men were shot.
What I found to be most telling was this statement near the bottom of their webpage:
"This case is ongoing, but evidence strongly suggests there is more to the story in this historic event. Modern science refutes the Warren Commission’s findings on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy."
They seem to be saying their analysis is a work in progress. Sorry, but that hardly refutes either Myers work or the WCR. I would grade them with an incomplete for their efforts.
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Ditto for Dale Myers.
Myers has put his animations on display for all to judge. I have seen the Knott Lab website which contains a link to their YouTube animation:
https://knottlab.com/cases/knott-lab-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/
The website states they started by taking a laser scan of Dealey Plaza. So far, so good. That's what Myers did too. Then they explained the used just 25 photos and 7 frames of the Z-film to sync their animation. That is a fraction of what Myers did. Then we get to the animation on YouTube:
Compared to Myers' animation, its primitive. It looks like they were using 1980s technology. There is very little actual animation. Mostly it moves the perspective around and shows still shots from various angles. Most interesting were their various looks at the trajectory through JFK into JBC beginning the 1:38 mark. For starters they have JBC facing almost straight ahead which is not how he was aligned when the bullet struck. Then they slide him to the left. At 1:38 they show the bullet striking the left side of JBC's back. At 1:40, they show the bullet striking JBC where it actually did hit him. The continue sliding JBC leftward so at 1:42, it appears the bullet would have struck the inside of his right arm and at 1:44 it appears to strike him on the outside of his arm. Because they show this view from the side as opposed to either directly behind the limo or better yet and overhead view, we can't see where JBC is actually aligned in relation to JFK. However, since we know where the bullet actually struck JBC, that should tell them that is where he was positioned when the bullet struck. We know the bullet did not strike JBC on the left side of his back and we know it did not strike him in his right arm so that should eliminate those two as possible positions JBC could have been in at the time the two men were shot.
What I found to be most telling was this statement near the bottom of their webpage:
"This case is ongoing, but evidence strongly suggests there is more to the story in this historic event. Modern science refutes the Warren Commission’s findings on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy."
They seem to be saying their analysis is a work in progress. Sorry, but that hardly refutes either Myers work or the WCR. I would grade them with an incomplete for their efforts.
You continue to show you do Not Know what is going on with Knott Lab. Yes, Knott Lab is a "work in progress". They are working on finding out where the shots did come from. Step 1 was their finding that the SBT "Is Impossible".
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You continue to show you do Not Know what is going on with Knott Lab. Yes, Knott Lab is a "work in progress". They are working on finding out where the shots did come from. Step 1 was their finding that the SBT "Is Impossible".
They know, or at least they should know, that a bullet struck JFK's upper back two inches to the right of his spine and exited from near the center of his throat. Their animation showed that bullet would have struck JBC somewhere depending on where they positioned him. They moved him from various positions from directly in front of JFK to well to the left of JFK. They showed the bullet striking JBC just to the left of his right armpit when JBC was slightly to the left of JFK, exactly where he was when the bullet hit. Since we know where JBC was actually struck, logic would dictate he must have been slightly to the left of JFK when the bullet struck him just to the left of his right armpit. Since they provide no explanation for why they determined the SBT was impossible, we are left to guess. My guess is their simulation validates the SBT. It does not refute it.
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They know, or at least they should know, that a bullet struck JFK's upper back two inches to the right of his spine and exited from near the center of his throat. Their animation showed that bullet would have struck JBC somewhere depending on where they positioned him. They moved him from various positions from directly in front of JFK to well to the left of JFK. They showed the bullet striking JBC just to the left of his right armpit when JBC was slightly to the left of JFK, exactly where he was when the bullet hit. Since we know where JBC was actually struck, logic would dictate he must have been slightly to the left of JFK when the bullet struck him just to the left of his right armpit. Since they provide no explanation for why they determined the SBT was impossible, we are left to guess. My guess is their simulation validates the SBT. It does not refute it.
"...........logic would dictate he must have been............"
The above is BS: It is Not FACT. It flies on the Ed Forum. NOT HERE!
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"...........logic would dictate he must have been............"
The above is BS: It is Not FACT. It flies on the Ed Forum. NOT HERE!
Knott's own graphics show the bullet exiting JFK's throat would have hit JBC somewhere from the left side of his back to his right arm. It does not show a position in which the bullet could have missed him. Since we know where it actually struck him, why would you consider JBC was anywhere but where the Knott graphics indicated he would have to be in order for the bullet to hit him just to the left of his right armpit?
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The back shot came from a storm drain all right, but it was the drain at the corner of Elm and Houston, not below the GK.
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Cause others believe the evidence. Such as upward angle of Ks back shot, slug making dent by mirror. JC being shot while turned facing the SBD. Ks head shot transversing his head from left rear to right front. None of that would have been cause from window shots. That's why others don't believe in a window shooter.