RIP Dr. Wecht.
Thank you for your work and your role in helping to get us closer to solving President Kennedy's murder...
Cyril Wecht, nationally renowned pathologist and former Allegheny County Democratic leader, dies at 93
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/obituaries/2024/05/13/cyril-wecht-jfk-allegheny-county-pittsburgh/stories/202403220106
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Also, that's a generous amount of knee room for Kennedy that Wecht has allowed. Wecht's version made it into the "JFK" movie.
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One of those people who appeared intelligent but constantly reached outlandish conclusions. Did he do that intentionally for publicity or did he have a screw loose and believe his own nonsense? Not that those are mutually exclusive, but more interesting to contemplate than his laughable theories about the JFK assassination.
Theories require extensive testing and agreement within the scientific community. Theories are not described as true or right, but as the best-supported explanation of the world based on evidence.
https://manoa.hawaii.edu/exploringourfluidearth/physical/ocean-floor/continental-movement-plate-tectonics/practices-science-opinion-hypothesis-theory (https://manoa.hawaii.edu/exploringourfluidearth/physical/ocean-floor/continental-movement-plate-tectonics/practices-science-opinion-hypothesis-theory)
The single bullet conclusion has been tested and agreed upon as the best-supported explanation by many scientific studies and has been that way for over sixty years. The Knott Labs study has not been tested or agreed upon by anyone other than Knott Labs.
Theories require extensive testing and agreement within the scientific community. Theories are not described as true or right, but as the best-supported explanation of the world based on evidence.
https://manoa.hawaii.edu/exploringourfluidearth/physical/ocean-floor/continental-movement-plate-tectonics/practices-science-opinion-hypothesis-theory (https://manoa.hawaii.edu/exploringourfluidearth/physical/ocean-floor/continental-movement-plate-tectonics/practices-science-opinion-hypothesis-theory)
The single bullet conclusion has been tested and agreed upon as the best-supported explanation by many scientific studies and has been that way for over sixty years. The Knott Labs study has not been tested or agreed upon by anyone other than Knott Labs.
The idea that evolved into the single bullet theory originated with Dr. Humes in his Warren Commission testimony. This is spelled out in “Passion for Truth” by Arlen Spector, pate 80. Here is a snip from that page:
Our Friday interview with Humes and Boswell produced a revelation: The bullet that passed through Kennedy’s neck proceeded in a straight line, struck nothing solid, and exited with great velocity. The doctors had not mentioned this in their autopsy report. “The missle struck no bony structures in traversing the body of the late president.” Humes testified when I questioned him the following Monday. “Therefore, I believe it was moving at its exit from the president’s body at only very slightly less than that velocity, so it was still traveling at great speed.”
Humes then referred to Commission Exhibit 398, a frame of the Zapruder film that showed Kennedy raising his hands to his neck, presumably after being shot there. “I believe in looking at Exhibit 398, which purports to be at approximately the time the president was struck,” Humes said, “I see that Governor Connally is sitting directly in front of the late president, and suggest the possibility that this missile, having traversed the low neck of the late president, in fact traversed the chest of Governor Connally.”
The origin of the idea/opinion that evolved into a hypothesis, then theory and conclusion began with Dr. Humes. It has been extensively tested and evaluated by the scientific community time and time again over the past sixty-plus years and it is strongly supported by the vast majority of the scientists who have tested it. The Knott Labs study tries in vain to disprove the single bullet conclusion but fails miserably. No truly unbiased jury (they are all supposed to be unbiased) could ever believe that the Knott Labs study disproves the single bullet conclusion.
You just shot yourself in the foot. Humes did Not support the SBT.
Charles: Here is Humes in 1992 in the JAMA article:
Another snip from “Passion for Truth” by Arlen Specter, page 81:
Humes saw Bullet 399, which was almost pristine, for the first time the day he testified. When I showed him photographs of the positions that Kennedy and Connally had occupied in the Lincoln, Humes suggested that the same bullet might have exited Kennedy’s neck and then passed through Connally’s chest.
I asked Humes whether he thought Bullet 399 could have caused Connally’s other wounds, to the right wrist and left thigh. Humes could rely only on the Parkland Hospital records to answer. “I think that extremely unlikely,” he replied. “The reports, again Exhibit 392 from Parkland, tell of an entrance wound on the lower mid thigh of the governor, and X rays taken there are described as showing metallic fragments in the bone, which apparently by this report were not removed and are still in Governor Connally’s thigh. I can’t conceive of where they came from this missile.”
Humes also did not think Bullet 399 had caused the wounds to Connally’s wrist, because of metallic fragments found in that wound. “The reason I believe it most unlikely that this missle could have inflicted either of these wounds is that this missle is basically intact; its jacket appears to me to be intact, and I do not understand how it could possibly have left fragments in either of these locations.” At this point then, there was no Single-Bullet Theory. Humes had given us vital information indicating that the bullet had exited from Kennedy’s throat at high speed. The theory that the bullet then went through Conbnally’s chest and wrist and lodged in the governor’s thigh would have to be checked against his X rays, a suggestion Humes made. The key lay in the size and weight of the fragments.
We would later prove that Bullet 399 could indeed have passed through the president and then inflicted all of the governor’s wounds. We would make the case partly by weighing Bullet 399 and the metal fragments taken from Connally’s body. Together, the nearly whole bullet and the fragments weighed no more than an ordinary bullet.
As you can see, I said the idea that evolved into the single bullet theory originated with Dr. Humes’ testimony. Whether or not Humes believed that the other two wounds were caused by Bullet 399 is not relevant to the statement that I made.
Charles: Here is Humes in 1992 in the JAMA article:
"Once we saw the holes in the back of the President's suit jacket and shirt and the nicks on his shirt collar and the knot of his necktie, the path of the second bullet was confirmed. That bullet was traveling very fast and it had to go somewhere. I believe in the single-bullet theory that it struck Governor Connally immediately after exiting the President's throat."
So it's true he initially disbelieved the idea, or thought it unlikely; he later came to support it.
That JAMA article is here: https://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md22.pdf
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Note, if you will, how far to JFK's left John Connally is seated.
Note too, how JFK was seated completely up against the inside side of the limousine, so that he could rest his right arm comfortably while riding in the motorcade,
Cyril Wecht was very dishonest when using stand-ins to simulate JFK and JBC seatd in the limousine. He also knew about the "Lapel Flip" as far back as 1975, and never said a word about it!
"Note, if you will, how far to JFK's left John Connally is seated."
the photos you posted have dark shadow in the area of connallys right arm / elbow and the area of the right side of the limo . in addition the photos were taken high above and at an angle . this creates an illusion of a larger gap . the gap was 2.5 inches .
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"Note too, how JFK was seated completely up against the inside side of the limousine, so that he could rest his right arm comfortably while riding in the motorcade"
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we only have the photos and film that we have , so we cant do anything about that . but we can try and show the best photos .
Mr. SPECTER – Doctor Humes, I show you a bullet which we have marked as Commission Exhibit No. 399,
and may I say now that, subject to later proof, this is the missile which has been taken from the stretcher which
the evidence now indicates was the stretcher occupied by Governor Connally. I move for its admission into evidence at this time.
...that later proof was never shown.
https://jfk.boards.net/post/3956/thread
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Mr. SPECTER. And could that missile have made the wound on Governor Connally's right wrist?
Commander HUMES. I think that that is most unlikely ...The reason I believe it most unlikely that this missile could have inflicted either of these wounds is that
this missile is basically intact; its jacket appears to me to be intact, and I do not understand how it could possibly have left fragments in either of these locations.
...that later proof was never shown.
Another snip from “Passion for Truth” by Arlen Specter, page 97:
I next investigated what had happened to Kennedy’s stretcher. As the blood-soaked Lincoln arrived at Parkland, Diana Bowron, a twenty-two-year-old nurse from England, heard an intercom message that carts were needed at the emergency room entrance. She and an orderly grabbed a gurney from Major Surgery and ran down the hall. The stretcher was pushed near the limousine. The president was lying across Mrs. Kennedy’s knee. Nurse Bowron tried to lift the president’s head, but the First Lady pushed her away. Jacqueline Kennedy then lifted the president’s head onto the cart. The stretcher was rushed into Trauma Room 1, with Mrs. Kennedy running beside it. Jacqueline Kennedy placed a bouquet of red roses, which she had been given at the airport, on the president’s chest as he lay on the stretcher. Her pink pillbox hat, along with the roses, was lying on top of the president when he was wheeled into the emergency room.
Kennedy remained on that stretcher from the time he was wheeled into Trauma Room 1, through the unsuccessful medical treatment , until his body was placed in a casket in the same room. After Kennedy was in his casket, the sheets from his stretcher were gathered and placed in a linen hamper. The stretcher was then wheeled over to Trauma Room 2. Kennedy’s stretcher was never near the area where Tomlinson found the bullet.
Commission Exhibit 399 obviously had dropped from the stretchers that had carried either Kennedy or Connally. We proved that the bullet could not have come from Kennedy’s stretcher. It also could not have come from an odd stretcher that happened to be resting by Connally’s stretcher near the ground-floor men’s room. The bullet, the commission concluded, had to have fallen from Connally’s stretcher.
Let's just use this photograph.....
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Can anybody explain to me how a bullet coming from the left on a downward trajectory can go through Kennedy's throat and end up in Connaly's left side of his body?
It seems to me that the resistance of Kennedy's throat tissue would be minimal and would allow bullet to continue on a straight line and and possibly end up somewhere between the two jump seats.
I believe that you can't see the forest for the trees, Furgus.
Charles: Here is Humes in 1992 in the JAMA article:
"Once we saw the holes in the back of the President's suit jacket and shirt and the nicks on his shirt collar and the knot of his necktie, the path of the second bullet was confirmed. That bullet was traveling very fast and it had to go somewhere. I believe in the single-bullet theory that it struck Governor Connally immediately after exiting the President's throat."
So it's true he initially disbelieved the idea, or thought it unlikely; he later came to support it.
That JAMA article is here: https://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md22.pdf
hi Martin you ask an interesting and valid question . lets see what our LN friends come up with .
on a similar but slightly different note i once saw a SBT recreation . it was later on youtube and i pointed out something on there that a lot had not noticed , but they took note after that . i watched the program originally on tv , sorry i am at a loss to remember the program name , but as i said it was on youtube , and may still be or atleast the segment i am now speaking about .
but they set up a snipers perch , correct height , angle , distance to replicate the trajectory from the 6th floor window as per the WC . they then recreated the limo (stationary ) with gel mouids to replicate JFK and JBC . they fired a shot . then they went and examined the moulds . there was a hole on the rear of the jfk mould pretty much i think spot on with the actual wound location on JFKs back .then they said lets look at the other exits and entry points on both moulds . they did so and proclaimed that they had replicated the SBT .but i noted something odd and it bothered me . fater looking at JFKs back entry they then showed JBC back entry etc . i waited and waited to see what they did not show , which bothered me ., they did not show it . at the very end of the program with a minute or less remaining they had the presenter speaking in a room and i noted that they had the JFK gel mould in the background . they never drew attention to it .
but what it showed was clear , and on youtube one can of course pause and view it .so what did it show ? well it showed us why THEY DECIDED NOT TO SHOW US the front of the JFK gel mould in the program . while the bullet entered the back pretty accurate location wise , on the front the bullet exited NOT CENTRAL below the adams apple , but ON THE UPPER LEFT SIDE OF THE CHEST . remember they set up the height , angle , distance etc for a correct trajectory . now we know JFK had no exit on the left of his chest however in this program they still had a bullet pass through the jfk mould . so how is that possible ? just how far to the left did they have to place the JBC mould in order to get a bullet exiting the upper left of the JFK moulds chest to strike the JBC mould near the right arm pit ? . and they got away with this on tv lol .sorry now if i have gone a bit off topic but it is SBT related and i think sort of highlights the problem in recreating (attempting to lol ) the SBT .if anyone knows the program i mention id love to have the name , thanks .
There is No comparison to how someone chooses to sit on a BENCH SEAT vs the restrictions of a BUCKET SEAT/Jump Seat. It's like sitting anywhere inside a Caddy vs a Mustang front bucket seat. JFK had plenty of Lateral space options to use and therefore shift his sitting position. The back brace JFK was wearing also may have resulted in his altering his seated position. Wearing a back brace while in a seated position for an extended time period is very uncomfortable. And NOBODY knows the exact seated position of JFK at the moment the bullet entered his BACK.
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I tried to approximate the viewpoint of the Love Field Photo. The animation shows the jump-seat was inboard relative to where Kennedy sat.
In San Antonio, the Governor sat tight to the door interior;
note his head's location relative to the side window.
In Dallas, the Governor sat away from the door interior;
his head being more inboard than it was in San Antonio,
the relationship towards the side window is different.
Back in January of 2023 I took Jack Trojan’s dual laser challenge and proved that the entrance and exit wounds do actually occur in the proper places. If you search for my posts from that time period, you can find photos and discussion of this test. The video you are referring to is on YouTube. Search for JFK assassination magic bullet test. If the exit wound on JFK is where you think it is, I think it is due to the shot missing the entrance mark a little bit to the JFK’s left and they have the JFK model sitting too erect.
hi Martin you ask an interesting and valid question . lets see what our LN friends come up with .
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The Love Field photos don't show Kennedy as he was seated for the neck wound.
In the example above, the original photo (left inset) shows the President was tilted away from the car interior and towards Jackie. He's reaching up to shake hands. In Dealey Plaza, he didn't lean towards Jackie and shake hands. The tip of the blue arrow reaches to the armpit area of the Governor.
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Connally needed no adjustment because his torso seems to have some rotation, though not as much as in Dealey Plaza.
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The red part of the blue arrow indicates the passage of the bullet though the neck. It emerges on left side of necktie knot.
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The Love Field photos don't show Kennedy as he was seated for the neck wound.
In the example above, the original photo (left inset) shows the President was tilted away from the car interior and towards Jackie. He's reaching up to shake hands. In Dealey Plaza, he didn't lean towards Jackie and shake hands. The tip of the blue arrow reaches to the armpit area of the Governor.
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Connally needed no adjustment because his torso seems to have some rotation, though not as much as in Dealey Plaza.
As I said earlier, Nobody knows the exact position of JFK when the shot entered his BACK. The LN'ers want to believe that JFK was Frozen in 1 position from Love Field all the way until he traveled down Elm St. Ludicrous thinking, but this is what supporting the SBT mandates.
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The red part of the blue arrow indicates the passage of the bullet though the neck. It emerges on left side of necktie knot.
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Why is it ludicrous thinking?
His back was totally f%cked and he was wearing a brace. He stuffed himself as tightly into the corner as possible to get through the ordeal of the motorcade,
There are dozens of photographs of the motorcade, is there one that shows him not stuffed into the corner?
Why not show this pic rather than make some bullsh%t statement?
Yeah, JFK was wearing a back brace. That back brace did Not transform him into a Cigar Store Indian. Everybody saw him at the breakfast and walking around in general. This thought process that defies reality is what is necessary in order to support the SBT.
Just how High could a shot pass above the Queen Mary when it was close to being right on top of the rear bumper of the JFK Limo? And, there's also the Downgrade of Elm St. This is exactly why when re-creations of the shots are done, the Queen Mary with those Large SS Agents standing on the (R) running board are NOT INCLUDED. Of course, this omission is mandatory to try and sell the SBT. The trajectory of that shot is problematic on multiple fronts. And then you got Knott Lab Laser SCIENCE recently proving the SBT "IS IMPOSSIBLE". You guys need to get off this laughably old saw. The SBT's day is done.
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Thanks for providing the visual aid to prove my point. You put the Queen Mary with 2 Large SS Agents standing atop the (R) Running Board and those 2 Agents would be close to dead center on the cross hairs. Beautiful work.
The queen mary was behind the JFK limo. From the angle of the photo from the sniper’s nest we can clearly see the oak tree has just been cleared from the sniper’s view. In order for your ridiculous idea to be true, the running board agents would have to be taller than the branches of the oak tree. That clearly is not the case. You have shown once again that you are clueless.
Come on Charles. You do Not know that the Back Shot was fired at the moment we are seeing the cross hairs on that STILL FRAME. The image you posted is actually 1 Film Frame removed from a Motion Picture. And again, Elm St was on a Downgrade. That puts the SS Agents on that (R) running board at a Higher Elevation/Above the JFK Limo/JFK.
It’s simple geometry. You do some math and show us using the math when and where you think the follow-up agents were in the line of fire from the sniper’s nest. 🧐
Nobody Knows with certainty when the Back Shot entered JFK. Yet you ask for "simple geometry"? Knott Lab Laser SCIENCE declared the SBT "Is Impossible". It's all over whether LN's want to admit it or not. Multiple Shooters has now been proven by SCIENCE.
Like I said earlier, you continue to show us just how clueless you are.
Personal attack? It's All Over.
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Also, that's a generous amount of knee room for Kennedy that Wecht has allowed. Wecht's version made it into the "JFK" movie.
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the above is the angle that mr Specter and it seems mr Mytton do not want people to see , NOTE THE WHITE MARK ON THE BACK OF THE AGENT IN THE JFK POSITION .
the above is courtesy of mr Pat speer .
https://www.patspeer.com/chapter10examiningtheexaminations
firstly Mr Mytton you should concern yourself with your own image or reputation on forums such as this . the manner in which you have behaved over the years and in which you still behave hardly shows you and the LN community in a great light .
secondly the image i posted as you stated correctly (unknown to me ) did not display , i have edited my post accordingly and corrected that . and NO the image i posted is NONE of the images you posted . which was rather part of the point i was making , which was that the image i posted shows the CORRECT entry wound location highlighted with a white mark on the back of the agents jacket .
yes JFKs jacket did bunch up a degree , certainly at times when he was waving , that is a given and not in dispute . Mr Speer can very capably make his own arguments , he does not require myself or anyone to do that for him . however you should have noted my comment did not reference ANY claim by Mr Speer , it was simply to show the readers what the commission , Specter , LN and it seems you did not want them to see .
Just look at the very LOW Angle of that pointer touching the BACK of JFK. Now, place 2 Tall/Wide SS Agents on the (R) running board of the Queen Mary following closely behind the JFK Limo. Those 2 Large SS Agents standing atop the (R) running board makes that Low Angle BACK shot extremely difficult . Plus, Elm St runs DOWNHILL. This places the Queen Mary at a Higher Elevation on Elm St vs the JFK Limo. This is Exactly why when sharpshooters are attempting to replicate shots being fired from the sniper's nest, they NEVER include a closely following car with 2 Tall/Stocky Men standing atop a (R) running board.
On, "The Men Who Killed Kennnedy" (1988) BBC Presentation, a 2nd hand account of shot(s) being fired from the rear on, "the horizontal" was presented. This "horizontal" shot(s) fired theory was supported in, "Unsolved History JFK, Death In Deleay Plaza" (2003). During the Wiegman segment, Wiegman detailed his climbing out of Camera Car #1 and then feeling the "compression" of a bullet on his face.
And of course, Knott Lab Laser SCIENCE has already Proven that the SBT, "IS IMPOSSIBLE". This is SCIENCE vs a lawyer with a pointer and his slick yakety yak. Not a tough choice to make.
Really? (1) Where EXACTLY is the half open sniper's nest window? (2) I just put my protractor along that (line?) and it Failed to meet the "approximately?" 17% mark. Scrawling a squiggly line onna still frame does Not come close to proving anything. Yet, some of you wanna challenge Knott Lab Laser SCIENCE.
"String on the wall"? Whatever this might be, it is Not SCIENCE.
The two yellow lines encircle the string on the wall in two different locations. Do you see the string now? That string was placed by the surveyors using the transit which has the blue arrow pointing at it. The surveyors placed the string at the same angle as their survey showed the angle to be to the sniper’s nest window (less the 3-degree slope of the street) which equals approximately 17-degrees. The photo shows that the pointer is being held parallel to the string which indicates the pointer is at the same elevation angle as the path to the sniper’s window. This is very scientific and can be repeated today with the same results. The Bronson photo shows that the 17-degree angle places the path of the bullets well above the SS agents standing on the running boards.
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Out of curiosity, I tried my hand at the two-laser test. Here are the results:
Here is the set-up, about 5-feet apart and a little over seventeen degrees elevation slope with an eleven degree right to left angle:
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The laser level is mounted on a tripod, the front laser is mounted on a boom microphone stand, and they are pointed directly at each other:
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The results are shown as follows. I don't have what I think would be a suitable mirror. But you might notice that the image from the rear is a screenshot of a pause in the video at the same time that I took the front photo with a phone camera (I spoke the words "right now" when I took the front photo and, while replaying it, paused the video when I heard me speak those words). This helps to assure that I didn't move between the two photos.
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Judging from the location of the laser "crosshair" on the pattern of the shirt, it is about 3-7/8" down from the top of the collar:
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This was yet another verification for me that the WC got it right. I thought I would share the details of how I set this experiment up. I triple-checked the aiming of the lasers before and after the test. It appears to me that Jack Trojan might not have set things up properly in his test.
An excellent post.
A bit of old school surveying and common sense.
It reminds me of this Reply you posted a while back, which remains one of my favourite posts of any member of the forum:
On the flip side we have the latest in "science" from the Knotts Labs crew which culminates in this representation of Zapruder frame 225:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z54B47Jn/Knottcomposite.png) (https://postimages.org/)
There are two really serious issues with this model:
1] The green line shows the trajectory of the bullet through JFK. It hits JBC in the back about 10 inches away from the actual location JBC was hit.
Where did this shot go? Where is the bullet hole in JBC's back according to this model? And why doesn't the green line pass through JFK's throat?
2] A way more serious issue is the red line which represents the trajectory of the bullet through JBC.
According to this model JFK must have shot JBC!!
How does the red line represent the reality of the situation? It shows the bullet that passed through JBC must have passed through JFK's chest!
It is also worth noting that, although the representation of Dealey Plaza and the limo are first class, the Knott-so-hot crew seemed to have employed children to do the modelling for JFK and JBC. Why is that?
Luckily, we have our resident Knotts Lab expert, Royell, to clear up these issues.
Seriously?
After being proven wrong, you try to insult me and dump all over Speer, very poor form!
Just be a Man and admit that I destroyed your endorsement and give me credit, then move on.
Thanks in advance.
JohnM
pointing out the fact of your poor behavior at different times certainly on this forum , even towards me is not being proven wrong , its been witnessed by many . nor is your posting photos that were not the photo i INTENDED posting .and i always try to conduct myself in a cordial manner , adhering to the rules on this excellent forum , i never seek to attack or insult anyone . however i will show a person the same level of respect they show me . as you were disrespectful to me from the start when you had no cause to be well i then have no reason to show you any respect .if you prove any claim i make to be wrong you can rest assured i will be only too happy to acknowledge it .
what you did was state your opinion that Speer was wrong and thus that as i was (in your mind ) pushing his work that i too was wrong . however i did no such thing , i merely posted a photo from his site (as it came easiest to hand there ) showing the same scene that you showed , the difference being the photo i posted shows the readers the white mark on the agents jacket replicating the location of the entry wound on JFKs back as per the commission .so as all i did was post a photo showing what YOU DID NOT , so you can hardly have proven me wrong , and you are a long way from destroying me . and this is your A game ? .
pointing out the fact of your poor behavior at different times certainly on this forum , even towards me is not being proven wrong , its been witnessed by many . nor is your posting photos that were not the photo i INTENDED posting .and i always try to conduct myself in a cordial manner , adhering to the rules on this excellent forum , i never seek to attack or insult anyone . however i will show a person the same level of respect they show me . as you were disrespectful to me from the start when you had no cause to be well i then have no reason to show you any respect .if you prove any claim i make to be wrong you can rest assured i will be only too happy to acknowledge it .
what you did was state your opinion that Speer was wrong and thus that as i was (in your mind ) pushing his work that i too was wrong . however i did no such thing , i merely posted a photo from his site (as it came easiest to hand there ) showing the same scene that you showed , the difference being the photo i posted shows the readers the white mark on the agents jacket replicating the location of the entry wound on JFKs back as per the commission .so as all i did was post a photo showing what YOU DID NOT , so you can hardly have proven me wrong , and you are a long way from destroying me . and this is your A game ? .
Here we go again. Grow up and stop playing the Victim.
Any perceived wrong doing by me is simply me reacting to your juvenile outbursts.
It's not a case of me being wrong, the photographic record mere seconds before the incident clearly shows the excessive bunching of Kennedy's jacket and your weak attempt to deflect this bunching by stating "yes JFKs jacket did bunch up a degree", shows any discerning reader who is interested in the truth, that you are just here to cause trouble.
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The fact that this autopsy photo shows the downward trajectory only reinforces my observation.
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And the simultaneous reaction of both Kennedy and Connally, along with Connally's right lapel being violently thrust forward, only cements this very obvious conclusion.
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Fergus, your silly attempts to negate these pieces of irrefutable evidence with nonsense, is simply further proof of your inability to examine the evidence with honesty.
JohnM