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For 60+ yrs we have been told that the DPD Motorcycle Officer we see inside the train yard on the Darnell and Martin Films is Officer Haygood. I have discovered that the Haygood timeline proves his being identified as this man is simply Not physically possible. And at the same time, this also Proves a Conspiracy was used in the JFK Assassination.
During Haygood's WC Testimony, WC Attorney Belin introduced a police radio log which detailed Haygood making a 12:35 radio transmission. Haygood at that time Verified his having made that 12:35 radio transmission from his DPD Motorcycle which was sitting on the Elm St Curb. The Kill Shot being fired at 12:30 therefore gives Officer Haygood 5 minutes to physically be at his motorcycle to make his Documented/Verified 12:35 transmission. Let's examine the 60 year accepted 5 minute journey that Haygood allegedly took following the Kill Shot. Images show us Officer Haygood: (1) Knifing his motorcycle between moving Camera Cars at the corner of Houston/Elm as he heads down Elm St - *Darnell Film Footage*, (2) Moving down the (N) Elm St Curb as he approaches the Stemmons Sign - *Wiegman Film Footage*, (3) Struggling/Straightening his dumped motorcycle at the (N) Elm St curb, (W) of The Steps - *Couch Film Footage*, (4) Running Up and Across the Grassy Knoll toward the Triple Underpass - *Bell Film Footage*, (5) Standing ALONE at the railing atop the Triple Underpass - *Cabluck Photo*, (6) Standing Atop the Triple Underpass with a CROWD now gathered around him - *Cancellare Photo*, (7) WALKING across the entire train yard - *Darnell & Martin Film Footage*, 8. WALKING down the Elm St Ext toward the Texas School Book Depository - * Darnell & Martin Film Footage*. There is physically No Way that Officer Haygood could have done ALL of this in 5 minutes elapsed time and still be back at his DPD Motorcycle to make his Documented/Verified 12:35 radio transmission. By my estimation, it probably took Officer Haygood roughly 4 minutes alone to merely climb onto the top of the Triple Underpass. This REVELATION begs the questions: (1) Who is that DPD Motorcycle Cop WALKING across the train yard and then WALKING down the Elm St Ext toward the TSBD on the Darnell & Martin Films? (2) Where is this DPD Cop's motorcycle? (3) Is this really a legit DPD motorcycle Cop? To date, (other than Officer Haywood), there is No Known DPD Motorcycle Cop anywhere close to the train yard immediately after the 12:30 Kill Shot.
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For 60+ yrs we have been told that the DPD Motorcycle Officer we see inside the train yard on the Darnell and Martin Films is Officer Haygood. I have discovered that the Haygood timeline proves his being identified as this man is simply Not physically possible. And at the same time, this also Proves a Conspiracy was used in the JFK Assassination.
During Haygood's WC Testimony, WC Attorney Belin introduced a police radio log which detailed Haygood making a 12:35 radio transmission. Haygood at that time Verified his having made that 12:35 radio transmission from his DPD Motorcycle which was sitting on the Elm St Curb. The Kill Shot being fired at 12:30 therefore gives Officer Haygood 5 minutes to physically be at his motorcycle to make his Documented/Verified 12:35 transmission. Let's examine the 60 year accepted 5 minute journey that Haygood allegedly took following the Kill Shot. Images show us Officer Haygood: (1) Knifing his motorcycle between moving Camera Cars at the corner of Houston/Elm as he heads down Elm St - *Darnell Film Footage*, (2) Moving down the (N) Elm St Curb as he approaches the Stemmons Sign - *Wiegman Film Footage*, (3) Struggling/Straightening his dumped motorcycle at the (N) Elm St curb, (W) of The Steps - *Couch Film Footage*, (4) Running Up and Across the Grassy Knoll toward the Triple Underpass - *Bell Film Footage*, (5) Standing ALONE at the railing atop the Triple Underpass - *Cabluck Photo*, (6) Standing Atop the Triple Underpass with a CROWD now gathered around him - *Cancellare Photo*, (7) WALKING across the entire train yard - *Darnell & Martin Film Footage*, 8. WALKING down the Elm St Ext toward the Texas School Book Depository - * Darnell & Martin Film Footage*. There is physically No Way that Officer Haygood could have done ALL of this in 5 minutes elapsed time and still be back at his DPD Motorcycle to make his Documented/Verified 12:35 radio transmission. By my estimation, it probably took Officer Haygood roughly 4 minutes alone to merely climb onto the top of the Triple Underpass. This REVELATION begs the questions: (1) Who is that DPD Motorcycle Cop WALKING across the train yard and then WALKING down the Elm St Ext toward the TSBD on the Darnell & Martin Films? (2) Where is this DPD Cop's motorcycle? (3) Is this really a legit DPD motorcycle Cop? To date, (other than Officer Haywood), there is No Known DPD Motorcycle Cop anywhere close to the train yard immediately after the 12:30 Kill Shot.
By my estimation, it probably took Officer Haygood roughly 4 minutes alone to merely climb onto the top of the Triple Underpass.
What is this estimation based on?
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By my estimation, it probably took Officer Haygood roughly 4 minutes alone to merely climb onto the top of the Triple Underpass.
What is this estimation based on?
(1) The Darnell Film, + (2) The Wiegman Film, + (3) The Couch Film, + (4) The Cabluck Photo, + (5) The Cancellare Photo. These images time stamp Haygood from the point he drives his motorcycle onto Elm St, up to his climbing on top of the Triple Underpass. The Cabluck Photo shows Haygood at the Triple Underpass with NO BODY around him. The Cancellare Photo shows Haygood standing on Top of the Triple Underpass with a crowd of people Now standing around him. Tick, Tick, Tick for ALL these people to now reach the Triple Underpass. One of those people pictured in the Cancellare Photo was Robert MacNeil. He would later host the PBS MacNeil/ Leaher News Hour. That day, MacNeil was riding inside Press Bus #1. He got out of Press Bus #1 at the corner of Houston & Elm St and proceeded down Elm St until he eventually arrived at the Triple Underpass. His Press Bus #1 had just turned onto Houston St when Haygood was already traveling down Elm St on his motorcycle. Tick, Tick, Tick.
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(1) The Darnell Film, + (2) The Wiegman Film, + (3) The Couch Film, + (4) The Cabluck Photo, + (5) The Cancellare Photo. These images time stamp Haygood from the point he drives his motorcycle onto Elm St, up to his climbing on top of the Triple Underpass. The Cabluck Photo shows Haygood at the Triple Underpass with NO BODY around him. The Cancellare Photo shows Haygood standing on Top of the Triple Underpass with a crowd of people Now standing around him. Tick, Tick, Tick for ALL these people to now reach the Triple Underpass. One of those people pictured in the Cancellare Photo was Robert MacNeil. He would later host the PBS MacNeil/ Leaher News Hour. That day, MacNeil was riding inside Press Bus #1. He got out of Press Bus #1 at the corner of Houston & Elm St and proceeded down Elm St until he eventually arrived at the Triple Underpass. His Press Bus #1 had just turned onto Houston St when Haygood was already traveling down Elm St on his motorcycle. Tick, Tick, Tick.
My bad, Royell. I hadn't made myself clear enough.
When I asked how you came to the estimation of four minutes for Haygood to be at the Triple Underpass, I didn't mean what evidence did you use, I meant how did you use this evidence to come to an estimation of four minutes.
I'll give an example to show what I mean. The Bond pic below has Haygood circled and in the bottom left corner we can see the White House Press bus just about to enter the Underpass:
(https://i.postimg.cc/13V11NGq/Bond6-Crop1-Circle.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
The pic below is from the Mark Tyler Motorcade Mapping program. It shows us that the Bond pic above was taken 1:41 seconds after the headshot:
(https://i.postimg.cc/NMcxfZWc/Tyler-Bond6.png) (https://postimages.org/)
So, Haygood makes it to the Underpass in about one minute and forty seconds. What is more difficult to work out is how long he is there.
Below is a pic of a proposed route for Haygood. The star is where he parks his bike, he moves to the Underpass then into the railroad yard where he is pictured by Darnell. The last part of the route just shows the quickest path back to his bike.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3Jf54Z86/Haygood-Route.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)post a picture (https://postimages.org/)
Can this route be completed in a few minutes? Of course it could.
The question is, how long was Haygood at the Underpass before setting off.
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The 1:41 is WAY OFF. For starters, Haygood rode his motorcycle directly toward and passed Wiegman who was standing at the Elm St sidewalk/curb area. Wiegman at this point had already: (1) jumped out of Camera Car #1 because it was not moving, (2) run down Elm St, (3) moved onto the Knoll, (4) moved across the knoll, (4) Run UP the knoll (5) STOPPED and Filmed the Hesters laying on the ground, (6) run across the Top of the knoll, (6) Run Down the entire Knoll, (7) STOPPED and filmed the Newman family on the ground, 8. Film Camera Car #1 and Officer Haygood coming toward him and then pass by him. ALL of this alone ate up the bulk of Bond's alleged 1:41 time stamping. And, at this point, Haygood had NOT even dumped his bike at the curb. The best part of that Bond pic shows NOBODY around Haygood at that point in time vs the Cancellare Photo showing a crowd around him when he stood atop the Triple Underpass. Also, you take a good look at that Bond photo and those boys wearing the jackets with the White Stripes around the shoulders are NOT visible on the (N) side of the grassy knoll. Those same guys are clearly standing among the throng that surrounded Haygood as he stood atop the Triple Underpass on the Cancellare photo. And those 2 guys came from inside the Pergola Shelter that was behind the Hesters. Based on the documented movements of other assassination eyewitnesses, the 1:41 is WAY OFF. I have the Haygood issue Proven 5 Ways to Sunday. Even more to come when need be.
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Mark Tyler’s Motorcade 63 animation can be watched while following the various witness’ movements. It is fairly simple to make a note of the identification number (shown in the ever-changing list on the right side) of the witness you want to follow and watch it as it moves.The various witness’ movements and positions in the motorcade 63 animation that I have checked against the snapshots and films taken on 11.22.63 during the assassination and the immediate aftermath all appear to agree with what Mark Tyler shows in his animation. The motions are all fluid and at a reasonable pace.
Here is a screenshot of the animation at a split second after the headshot. Haygood (23) is just entering the intersection of Main and Houston. The time is shown (upper left corner) as less than a second after 12:30 (animation time).
(https://i.vgy.me/SbkxdQ.png)
From that point just run the animation and follow Haygood’s movements (or any of the other witnesses shown that you might be interested in) in real (animation) time. I think you will find that it didn’t take as much time as you are estimating (4-minutes) to get to the top of the underpass where he is photographed. The animation indicates it only took approximately 2-minutes. The following screenshot indicates that both Bond and Darnell captured his image at about the same time. Note the time as less than a second after 12:32.
(https://i.vgy.me/sQH1XP.png)
If you watch the animation (and note the various yellow fields of view of the various cameras as they flash in the animation) you can pause the animation if needed to identify the various photographers. Again, all the actual photographs and frames that I have checked agree 100% with Mark Tyler’s animation.
So, if after reviewing this you still think it took Haygood 4-minutes to get to the top of the underpass, please show us exactly where you think that Mark Tyler’s animation is in error.
Edit: To hopefully save some confusion, if you watch carefully when Haygood gets off of his motorcycle, his number changes to 38 and his motorcycle remains 23. This explains the different number of Haygood on the knoll.
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Charles - Thanks for posting that, but I was unable to put it into motion. Just curious, but what exactly is "Darnell 4"? I would have liked to see what the paths of Haygood, Darnell, Hargis, Wiegman, and Couch looked liked. Other than Darnell, ALL of these eyewitnesses have interlocking WC Testimony telling us where/when they went inside Dealey Plaza before, during, and after the Kill Shot. Being that a vehicle can Not talk, following any of their alleged "elapsed time" travel down Elm St is a faith based journey. Bearing in mind that Darnell filmed Officer Roger Craig back inside the train yard while simultaneously capturing the alleged DPD Motor Cycle Cop Haywood, I would also be interested in seeing the alleged "elapsed time" travel of Officer Roger Craig. Craig gave a very detailed description of his Dealey Plaza journey during his Clay Shaw testimony. There Is no way based on the Craig Testimony in conjunction with the Darnell Film that we are seeing Officer Haygood in that footage. Haygood's Documented 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St curb absolutes nixes that alleged DPD Cop inside the train yard being Haygood. The mountain of image evidence + sworn testimonies is overwhelming.
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For some inexplicable reason this forum refuses to let me post a link to a Vimeo video of the Motorcade 63 animation. It says it isn’t a valid Vimeo url!!!???
Not a valid vimeo URL
I suggest that you do a search on google for Motorcade 63. A Vimeo link should be in the results. Follow it and view it if you wish. In the meantime maybe Duncan can explain what the problem is? I will report this post to let Duncan know of the issue.
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Vimeo appears to have changed its format for sharing Video on other Websites. I'll look into it further.
In the meantime, I can embed them using my Admin HTML facility, which for site security purposes is unavailable for members.
Here are the two Videos from Mark Tyler's Website.
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Thanks Jerry and Duncan. Yes, Jerry, Mark Tyler’s animation is a very useful and interesting resource. Royell, I am not sure what Mark Tyler means by “Darnell 4” unless it happens to be his fourth segment or something like that.
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(https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/1470710237-6e33046ba065160974d324387489d936f91cbe5d325cd99330f75d5ca7c90ef6-d?mw=1100&mh=619&q=70) (https://vimeo.com/363370647)
( Click on above image to go to Vimeo site ) ( Web Page with same Vimeo clip: https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html )
Critics are making these huge reckless claims without being aware of the Tyler Animation or showing they mapped things out. Unbelievable.
There is absolutely nothing "reckless" regarding this find. It is backed up by both film and photo images in conjunction with the actual sworn testimonies of the individuals involved in this sequence of the JFK Assassination. There is No "animation" here, No conjecture, nothing conjured up with an artists sketch pen. My research has Proven this from many different directions. Let's start with The Man himself/Haygood. We allegedly see him heading Straight Down the Elm St Ext toward the TSBD on the Darnell/Martin Films. He is Not veering off toward Elm St where his motorcycle is parked at the curb near the Triple Underpass. He is heading Straight Down the Elm St Ext. This alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop is close enough to the TSBD Loading Dock to hit it with a rock. Yet, in his detailed WC Testimony, Officer Haygood makes absolutely NO MENTION of his inspection of the rail road yard leading him to WALK down the Elm St Ext, the TSBD Loading Dock, or the TSBD itself. In FACT, after making his Documented 12:35 and 12:37 radio transmissions from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St Curb, Haygood testified that he THEN went to the rear loading dock of the TSBD. WHY, if Officer Haygood had just walked past/inspected that same TSBD Rear Loading Dock would he now double back to it? Why would Haygood NOT testify as to having walked passed that same TSBD loading dock earlier, yet NOW go out of his way to Testify that he went there after making his 12:35 and 12:37 radio transmissions? I'll tell you why. Because Haygood NEVER previously WALKED down the Elm St Ext, Never previously WALKED passed the TSBD Loading Dock, and Never previously WALKED passed the TSBD itself before making his 12:35 and 12:37 radio transmissions. The Facts contained in Haygood's WC Testimony are just that. FACTS! Please examine the FACTS of this claim before immediately knee jerking into smear mode. And the FACTS above are merely the tip of this conspiracy iceberg that has been hiding in plain sight for 60+ years. - TO BE CONTINUED -
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The 1:41 is WAY OFF. For starters, Haygood rode his motorcycle directly toward and passed Wiegman who was standing at the Elm St sidewalk/curb area. Wiegman at this point had already: (1) jumped out of Camera Car #1 because it was not moving, (2) run down Elm St, (3) moved onto the Knoll, (4) moved across the knoll, (4) Run UP the knoll (5) STOPPED and Filmed the Hesters laying on the ground, (6) run across the Top of the knoll, (6) Run Down the entire Knoll, (7) STOPPED and filmed the Newman family on the ground, 8. Film Camera Car #1 and Officer Haygood coming toward him and then pass by him. ALL of this alone ate up the bulk of Bond's alleged 1:41 time stamping. And, at this point, Haygood had NOT even dumped his bike at the curb. The best part of that Bond pic shows NOBODY around Haygood at that point in time vs the Cancellare Photo showing a crowd around him when he stood atop the Triple Underpass. Also, you take a good look at that Bond photo and those boys wearing the jackets with the White Stripes around the shoulders are NOT visible on the (N) side of the grassy knoll. Those same guys are clearly standing among the throng that surrounded Haygood as he stood atop the Triple Underpass on the Cancellare photo. And those 2 guys came from inside the Pergola Shelter that was behind the Hesters. Based on the documented movements of other assassination eyewitnesses, the 1:41 is WAY OFF. I have the Haygood issue Proven 5 Ways to Sunday. Even more to come when need be.
It goes without saying that you're wrong.
Mark Tyler has taken every piece of footage from Dealey Plaza, every known photograph and every known eye-witness testimony and presented this vast amount of evidence in this animation. It is a truly monumental achievement, possibly the most impressive thing done by any researcher in this field of research. It might not be perfect in the smallest details but for the level of establishing when Haygood got to the fence it is easily capable of that. Haygood was already at the Triple Underpass 1:40 after the headshot.
You, on the other hand, have just made up a figure of four minutes. Just plucked it out of thin air based on nothing.
You think if you keep on insisting that you are right will somehow actually make you right.
You've not presented any kind of evidence to support your claim, just a lot of guessing and conjecture that you make up as you go along.
You have been proven wrong "five ways to Sunday".
Just because you don't want to accept it doesn't mean anything.
I notice in your last post you've started presenting Haygood walking down the Elm Street extension and passing the rear loading dock as a "Fact".
Again, this is something you've just made up. There is no evidence to support this "fact". You just make things up and believe they are true and nobody can convince you you're wrong.
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It goes without saying that you're wrong.
Mark Tyler has taken every piece of footage from Dealey Plaza, every known photograph and every known eye-witness testimony and presented this vast amount of evidence in this animation. It is a truly monumental achievement, possibly the most impressive thing done by any researcher in this field of research. It might not be perfect in the smallest details but for the level of establishing when Haygood got to the fence it is easily capable of that. Haygood was already at the Triple Underpass 1:40 after the headshot.
You, on the other hand, have just made up a figure of four minutes. Just plucked it out of thin air based on nothing.
You think if you keep on insisting that you are right will somehow actually make you right.
You've not presented any kind of evidence to support your claim, just a lot of guessing and conjecture that you make up as you go along.
You have been proven wrong "five ways to Sunday".
Just because you don't want to accept it doesn't mean anything.
I notice in your last post you've started presenting Haygood walking down the Elm Street extension and passing the rear loading dock as a "Fact".
Again, this is something you've just made up. There is no evidence to support this "fact". You just make things up and believe they are true and nobody can convince you you're wrong.
Just a suggestion, but I get the feeling that your copy of the Darnell and Martin films is not too good. Clearly, as this alleged cop walks down the Elm St Ext, behind him you can see the rail road tracks of the Railroad Spur that ran from behind the TSBD and stretched across the Elm St Ext. The TSBD Loading Dock is also visible on a good Darnell/Martin copy. Also, refresh your memory regarding Haygood's WC Testimony. I appreciate your adversarial approach, but I do Not want to take advantage of your currently inferior research tools.
Kindly remember that the visual aid you want to hang your hat on is dedicated to the movement of vehicles. It does Not factually detail the on-the-ground movement of Eyewitnesses inside Dealey Plaza. Specific Eyewitnesses such as: (1) Officer Haygood, (2) Darnell/Martin, (3) Robert MacNeil, (4) Hargis, (5) Wiegman, and (6) Roger Craig are critical. ALL of these eyewitnesses movements are important as they time stamp each other as they move ON FOOT across Dealey Plaza and some of them to the Top of the Triple Underpass.
Specifically, regarding DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE anywhere that we are seeing Officer Haygood on the Darnell/Martin footage as this alleged DPD Motorcycle Officer walks DOWN the Elm St Ext. The WC Testimony of Haygood himself makes No Mention of his being anywhere near the Elm St Ext during the short 5:00 minute time period immediately following the Kill Shot.
On the Cancellare Photo which shows DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood standing atop the Triple Underpass with a crowd of people around him, we see Haygood wearing BOTH RIDING GLOVES. The train yard images on the Darnell/Martin Films show a DPD Motorcycle Cop wearing ONLY 1 GLOVE. There is NO GLOVE on this alleged DPD Cop's (R) hand. This same NO Glove Cop is then seen WALKING down the Elm St Ext. What could possibly make Haygood REMOVE his (R) Riding Glove during his movement between the Top of the Triple Underpass and his first appearing on the Darnell film footage at that train caboose? We Now have 2 FACTS you need to address: (1) 5:00 Haygood time limit, and (2) Officer Haygood clearly wearing 2 GLOVES vs An alleged DPD Cop WALKING across the train yard and WALKING down the Elm St Ext wearing ONLY 1 GLOVE. My Evidence will only continue to mount. That is Not Haygood WALKING across the train yard and THEN WALKING down the Elm St Ext. - TO BE CONTINUED -
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Just a suggestion, but I get the feeling that your copy of the Darnell and Martin films is not too good. Clearly, as this alleged cop walks down the Elm St Ext, behind him you can see the rail road tracks of the Railroad Spur that ran from behind the TSBD and stretched across the Elm St Ext. The TSBD Loading Dock is also visible on a good Darnell/Martin copy. Also, refresh your memory regarding Haygood's WC Testimony. I appreciate your adversarial approach, but I do Not want to take advantage of your currently inferior research tools.
Kindly remember that the visual aid you want to hang your hat on is dedicated to the movement of vehicles. It does Not factually detail the on-the-ground movement of Eyewitnesses inside Dealey Plaza. Specific Eyewitnesses such as: (1) Officer Haygood, (2) Darnell/Martin, (3) Robert MacNeil, (4) Hargis, (5) Wiegman, and (6) Roger Craig are critical. ALL of these eyewitnesses movements are important as they time stamp each other as they move ON FOOT across Dealey Plaza and some of them to the Top of the Triple Underpass.
Specifically, regarding DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE anywhere that we are seeing Officer Haygood on the Darnell/Martin footage as this alleged DPD Motorcycle Officer walks DOWN the Elm St Ext. The WC Testimony of Haygood himself makes No Mention of his being anywhere near the Elm St Ext during the short 5:00 minute time period immediately following the Kill Shot.
On the Cancellare Photo which shows DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood standing atop the Triple Underpass with a crowd of people around him, we see Haygood wearing BOTH RIDING GLOVES. The train yard images on the Darnell/Martin Films show a DPD Motorcycle Cop wearing ONLY 1 GLOVE. There is NO GLOVE on this alleged DPD Cop's (R) hand. This same NO Glove Cop is then seen WALKING down the Elm St Ext. What could possibly make Haygood REMOVE his (R) Riding Glove during his movement between the Top of the Triple Underpass and his first appearing on the Darnell film footage at that train caboose? We Now have 2 FACTS you need to address: (1) 5:00 Haygood time limit, and (2) Officer Haygood clearly wearing 2 GLOVES vs An alleged DPD Cop WALKING across the train yard and WALKING down the Elm St Ext wearing ONLY 1 GLOVE. My Evidence will only continue to mount. That is Not Haygood WALKING across the train yard and THEN WALKING down the Elm St Ext. - TO BE CONTINUED -
I get the feeling that your copy of the Darnell and Martin films is not too good.
I have excellent copies of all assassination footage. And in none of them does Haygood walk past the loading dock. He walks towards it but we never see him pass it.
Maybe you have a special version of Darnell.
Or maybe you're just making it up, like you made up all your timings.
Kindly remember that the visual aid you want to hang your hat on is dedicated to the movement of vehicles.
You know literally nothing about the Tyler Mapping program so excuse me if I don't listen to your opinion about it.
It's like you just made it up.
Just like you made up all your timings.
there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE anywhere that we are seeing Officer Haygood on the Darnell/Martin footage
Apart from his testimony that he was in the same general area around the same general time.
Officer Haygood clearly wearing 2 GLOVES vs An alleged DPD Cop WALKING across the train yard and WALKING down the Elm St Ext wearing ONLY 1 GLOVE.
:D
Gloves come off.
They're designed that way.
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Everything you have said is just that. Nothing but verbiage. No real evidence. But, I expected that. There is absolutely Nothing per Image or in the WC Testimony of Haygood, (Real Evidence), placing Haygood on the Elm St Ext LESS than 5 minutes after the Kill Shot. Absolutely Nothing. You definitely need to familiarize your self with: (1) Haygood's WC Testimony and (2) Officer Roger Craig's Clay Shaw Testimony. The Cancellare photo explains Haygood's WC testimony regarding running into a "railroad detective". Roger Craig's Clay Shaw testimony details his very time consuming Dealey Plaza journey prior to our seeing him inside the train yard, (with the alleged Officer Haygood), on the Darnell Film. Roger Craig's lengthy journey prior to being filmed by Darnell at the train caboose totally DQ's the DPD Cop behind him being Officer Haygood. Like I said, I have a mountain of evidence ruling out DPD Officer Haygood as being that 1 GLOVE DPD Motorcycle Cop on the Darnell/Martin Films. To date and for the last 60+ years, NOBODY has submitted any Real Evidence that we are seeing Officer Haygood on the Darnell/Martin Films. The Haygood ID has always been an assumption that the JFK Assassination Research Community has simply rubber stamped as being a fact. Sorry Not Sorry to burst you guy's bubble. Call me Mr Duff, but a guy getting off his can and actually RESEARCHING this erroneous Haygood ID was bound to happen. Problem is, the erroneously rubber stamped Haygood ID has permitted a Conspiracy to stand for 60 yrs running. And my Discovery happens to come at the same time as the Knott Labs Laser 360 SCIENCE proclaimed the SBT "IS IMPOSSIBLE". The Conspiracy employed to assassinate JFK continues being exposed right before our very eyes. My Haygood challenge stands unmet as expected. And, I have even more evidence Proving this is NOT DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood on the Darnell/Martin Films. - TO BE CONTINUED -
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Bobby Hargis’ testimony indicates that he was in that area about the time that the TSBD was finally sealed. From his testimony to the WC:
… so, I came back to the Texas School Book Depository. At that time it seemed like the activity was centered around the Texas School Book Depository, so, that is when I heard someone say, one of the sergeants or lieutenants, I don't know, "Don't let any- one out of the Texas School Book Depository," and so, I went to a gap that had not been filled, which was at the southwest corner. Mr. STERN. And you remained there until you were relieved? Mr. HARGIS. Yes.
I have drawn a yellow circle around the area that is the southwest corner of the TSBD. Isn’t this the area where the motorcycle cop in question was filmed?
(https://i.vgy.me/8IXkAj.jpg)
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Mark Tyler’s animation Motorcade 63 indicates that Hargis had already ran to the top of the triple underpass to look and ran back to his motorcycle and was headed toward the underpass on his motorcycle within a minute of the headshot. I have circled Hargis (#3) in this screenshot of the animation:
(https://i.vgy.me/uglfkt.jpg)
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Bobby Hargis’ testimony indicates that he was in that area about the time that the TSBD was finally sealed. From his testimony to the WC:
… so, I came back to the Texas School Book Depository. At that time it seemed like the activity was centered around the Texas School Book Depository, so, that is when I heard someone say, one of the sergeants or lieutenants, I don't know, "Don't let any- one out of the Texas School Book Depository," and so, I went to a gap that had not been filled, which was at the southwest corner. Mr. STERN. And you remained there until you were relieved? Mr. HARGIS. Yes.
I have drawn a yellow circle around the area that is the southwest corner of the TSBD. Isn’t this the area where the motorcycle cop in question was filmed?
(https://i.vgy.me/8IXkAj.jpg)
Yes, that yellow circle is the area/Elm St Ext. To provide further context to the Hargis journey, after returning to his motorcycle sitting near the Elm St (S) curb, Hargis then rode his motorcycle (W) on Elm St and explored a wide area on the (W) side/other side of the Triple Underpass. It would be After doing all of this that Hargis returned to Dealey Plaza and that general area you have circled.
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Bobby Hargis’ testimony indicates that he was in that area about the time that the TSBD was finally sealed. From his testimony to the WC:
… so, I came back to the Texas School Book Depository. At that time it seemed like the activity was centered around the Texas School Book Depository, so, that is when I heard someone say, one of the sergeants or lieutenants, I don't know, "Don't let any- one out of the Texas School Book Depository," and so, I went to a gap that had not been filled, which was at the southwest corner. Mr. STERN. And you remained there until you were relieved? Mr. HARGIS. Yes.
I have drawn a yellow circle around the area that is the southwest corner of the TSBD. Isn’t this the area where the motorcycle cop in question was filmed?
(https://i.vgy.me/8IXkAj.jpg)
In the Darnell film, the motorcycle officer and Harkness are in the railyard west of the TSBD, roughly around the leftmost corner of the red pentagon. The Elm street extension (What a couple of longtime Big D OGs have told me is called "Old Elm," since the "extension" is actually the westernmost end of the original Elm street) only extends to the end of the TSBD lot. Anything to the west is part of the Union Terminal railyard.
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Thanks Mitch and Royell. It seems to me that the area around the west most corner of the red pentagon (outline) is reasonably close to where Hargis testified he positioned himself. Hargis said someone of rank (he didn’t remember who) wanted the TSBD sealed. And in the time between when the shots occurred and when the TSBD was sealed, there was a lot of police activity in the area of the railroad yard/parking lot. It appears to me that Hargis could have gone back to the vicinity TSBD and seen all the activity behind it and went towards that area of activity. I think that it could have been there (in the area that was filmed by Darnell) that he heard the request to seal off the TSBD. Whether or not anyone agrees that this is a possibility, to me it appears much more likely than the “mystery cop” that “equals conspiracy.”
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Thanks Mitch and Royell. It seems to me that the area around the west most corner of the red pentagon (outline) is reasonably close to where Hargis testified he positioned himself. Hargis said someone of rank (he didn’t remember who) wanted the TSBD sealed. And in the time between when the shots occurred and when the TSBD was sealed, there was a lot of police activity in the area of the railroad yard/parking lot. It appears to me that Hargis could have gone back to the vicinity TSBD and seen all the activity behind it and went towards that area of activity. I think that it could have been there (in the area that was filmed by Darnell) that he heard the request to seal off the TSBD. Whether or not anyone agrees that this is a possibility, to me it appears much more likely than the “mystery cop” that “equals conspiracy.”
As I said previously, after returning to his motorcycle there at the (S) Elm Curb area, Hargis rode off the the other side of the Triple Underpass and cruised around there looking for possible shooter(s). In my opinion, the time line of Hargis returning to Dealey Plaza would Not have permitted him to be filmed with Officer Roger Craig at the Train Caboose. I am almost certain that this is the same cop being filmed at the Caboose and walking down the Elm St. Ext due to: (1) his NOT WEARING a Glove on his (R) hand, and (2) his being continuously filmed Walking across the train yard from the Caboose to the Elm St Ext. If we are seeing Officer Hargis, exactly where is his motorcycle?
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Mark Tyler’s animation Motorcade 63 indicates that Hargis had already ran to the top of the triple underpass to look and ran back to his motorcycle and was headed toward the underpass on his motorcycle within a minute of the headshot. I have circled Hargis (#3) in this screenshot of the animation:
(https://i.vgy.me/uglfkt.jpg)
According to the Hargis WC Testimony, he ran to the the light post and then ran to, "....kind of a little wall, brick wall". Hargis makes no mention of ever running "to the top of the triple underpass". Hargis being at that low level wall, (that also becomes the Black Dog Man Nook), could have been easily verified by either Zapruder or Sitzman. Even if it took Officer Hargis 30-45 seconds to cross Elm St and reach that "little wall", Sitzman and Zapruder would have just finished climbing down from the Zapruder Perch. Hargis would have been very physically close to both of them. But of course, once again the JFK Assassination Research Community FAILED to ask this question of either Sitzman or Zapruder. A lot of the uncertainty surrounding the principle players in this assassination case should have been answered long ago.
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According to the Hargis WC Testimony, he ran to the the light post and then ran to, "....kind of a little wall, brick wall". Hargis makes no mention of ever running "to the top of the triple underpass". Hargis being at that low level wall, (that also becomes the Black Dog Man Nook), could have been easily verified by either Zapruder or Sitzman. Even if it took Officer Hargis 30-45 seconds to cross Elm St and reach that "little wall", Sitzman and Zapruder would have just finished climbing down from the Zapruder Perch. Hargis would have been very physically close to both of them. But of course, once again the JFK Assassination Research Community FAILED to ask this question of either Sitzman or Zapruder. A lot of the uncertainty surrounding the principle players in this assassination case should have been answered long ago.
The Bell film shows that Zapruder and Sitzman were off the wall and walking away within six seconds of the limo entering the underpass. Add on the 9 seconds it takes for the limo to reach the underpass after the headshot and you have Zap and Sitz away within 15 seconds.
Your ability to calculate how long it takes events to happen really leaves a lot to be desired.
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The Bell film shows that Zapruder and Sitzman were off the wall and walking away within six seconds of the limo entering the underpass. Add on the 9 seconds it takes for the limo to reach the underpass after the headshot and you have Zap and Sitz away within 15 seconds.
Your ability to calculate how long it takes events to happen really leaves a lot to be desired.
The ID of the 1 Glove DPD Motorcycle Cop filmed by Darnell/Martin is far too serious to now veer off topic. That alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop is Not Haygood. Haygood's Documented 5:00 timeline after the Kill Shot completely rules him out.
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In the Darnell film, the motorcycle officer and Harkness are in the railyard west of the TSBD, roughly around the leftmost corner of the red pentagon. The Elm street extension (What a couple of longtime Big D OGs have told me is called "Old Elm," since the "extension" is actually the westernmost end of the original Elm street) only extends to the end of the TSBD lot. Anything to the west is part of the Union Terminal railyard.
You look at good copies of the Darnell/Martin Films and BEHIND that 1 Glove DPD Cop, you can clearly see that railroad spur that ran behind the TSBD and stretched across the Elm St Ext. This landmark establishes that this alleged DPD Cop is firmly on the Elm Ext and WALKING toward the TSBD Loading Dock. You even get a brief look at a portion of that same loading dock.
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You look at good copies of the Darnell/Martin Films and BEHIND that 1 Glove DPD Cop, you can clearly see that railroad spur that ran behind the TSBD and stretched across the Elm St Ext. This landmark establishes that this alleged DPD Cop is firmly on the Elm Ext and WALKING toward the TSBD Loading Dock. You even get a brief look at a portion of that same loading dock.
Again, Old Elm ends at the Pergola. Anything beyond that to the west is (well, was at the time) private property, and not a public roadway. The rail yard begins where the bricks end.
Think of it this way, and you've kind of answered this yourself: you noted that there is an RR spur running across the way. If there's a spur line there, you're in a rail yard.
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Bobby Hargis’ testimony indicates that he was in that area about the time that the TSBD was finally sealed. From his testimony to the WC:
… so, I came back to the Texas School Book Depository. At that time it seemed like the activity was centered around the Texas School Book Depository, so, that is when I heard someone say, one of the sergeants or lieutenants, I don't know, "Don't let any- one out of the Texas School Book Depository," and so, I went to a gap that had not been filled, which was at the southwest corner. Mr. STERN. And you remained there until you were relieved? Mr. HARGIS. Yes.
I have drawn a yellow circle around the area that is the southwest corner of the TSBD. Isn’t this the area where the motorcycle cop in question was filmed?
(https://i.vgy.me/8IXkAj.jpg)
As I pointed out earlier, that Railroad Spur is BEHIND the 1 Glove DPD Cop as he WALKS toward the TSBD Loading Dock. There is no way this alleged DPD Cop is Officer Haygood. He simply does Not have enough time to reach the Haygood motorcycle at the Elm St Curb and make that Documented 12:35 transmission. Either: (1) This is an unknown DPD Motorcycle Cop, or (2) This is an imposture.
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After taking a closer look at the photographical record, with the aid of Mark Tyler’s Motorcade 63 animation, I have a better conception of Hargis’ actions in the first 60-seconds after the headshot. One interesting comment by Milton Wright (the driver of the car in which Mayor Cabell and party were riding) is worth noting:
He stopped the car because an officer had jumped off his motorcycle right in front of Wright's vehicle. The officer had his gun out and was aiming it toward the Texas Depository Building.
https://www.fbherald.com/news/as-a-young-dps-trooper-sheriff-milton-wright-was-in-jfks-motorcade/article_cc81964f-38b5-5a2b-b7e5-10aa30473b9f.html (https://www.fbherald.com/news/as-a-young-dps-trooper-sheriff-milton-wright-was-in-jfks-motorcade/article_cc81964f-38b5-5a2b-b7e5-10aa30473b9f.html)
Looking at the Motorcade 63 animation, it appears that there were actually three motorcycle officers in the road directly in front of Milton Wright. Hargis (37) had apparently already (within 10-seconds) dismounted his motorcycle and was in the middle of the road with his pistol drawn and pointing toward the TSBD.
(https://i.vgy.me/Xvkc4I.png)
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As I pointed out earlier, that Railroad Spur is BEHIND the 1 Glove DPD Cop as he WALKS toward the TSBD Loading Dock. There is no way this alleged DPD Cop is Officer Haywood. He simply does Not have enough time to reach the Haygood motorcycle at the Elm St Curb and make that Documented 12:35 transmission. Either: (1) This is an unknown DPD Motorcycle Cop, or (2) This is an imposture.
Who said that Haygood used the radio on his own motorcycle? By 12:35, both Harkness and King had their three-wheelers on top of the rail yard. One of them is seen riding around in the rail yard in the Hughes film. He could have just borrowed their radios
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The ID of the 1 Glove DPD Motorcycle Cop filmed by Darnell/Martin is far too serious to now veer off topic. That alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop is Not Haygood. Haygood's Documented 5:00 timeline after the Kill Shot completely rules him out.
I'm not veering off anything. I'm just highlighting that you completely make up all your timings out of thin air.
And that they are usually way off.
The four minutes you assign for Haygood to get to the underpass fence is a joke, completely made up by you.
You are shown real evidence demonstrating the time is actually half that and you just brush it off because it doesn't agree with your completely made up timings.
How can anything be proven to you if you don't accept actual evidence.
It's fair enough that some timings must be estimated, I have no problem with that, but these estimations must emanate from the evidence.
Saying "well, I think it's this" isn't good enough.
I've looked at the Darnell footage a lot more closely and realised the route I did for Haygood needs updating.
In the pic below:
1] Where Haygood leaves his bike
2] Haygood at the underpass fence
3] Haygood seen behind Roger Craig
4] Haygood seen walking towards the TSBD
From 4 back to 1 just shows Haygood's quickest route back to his bike after we see him in the Darnell film walking towards the TSBD building.
As Mitch has pointed out a couple of times, Haygood is not walking along the Elm Street extension, he is in the railroad yard. The extension ends at the yellow line on the pic below:
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZnnG5nkX/Haygood-Route2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Haygood is at point 2 within one minute and forty seconds.
This gives him 3 to 4 minutes to walk the route outlined.
This is really easily done.
No need for impostors or any of that nonsense.
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Who said that Haygood used the radio on his own motorcycle? By 12:35, both Harkness and King had their three-wheelers on top of the rail yard. One of them is seen riding around in the rail yard in the Hughes film. He could have just borrowed their radios
During Haygood's WC Testimony, WC attorney Belin proffers a "police radio log" of Haygood having made a 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle. Haygood under oath, then Verified that he did make that 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle. This important Fact has been overlooked for 60+ years. I have been crossing the T's etc since discovering this Fact a couple months back. The Cabluck and Cancellare Photos of Haygood at the top of the Triple Underpass and the Darnell/Martin footage of a 1 Glove DPD Motorcycle Cop WALKING across the train yard and then WALKING down the Elm St Ext are simply NOT the same person. 5 Minutes is Not enough time for 1 person to follow the accepted 60+ yr old Haygood timeline and be back at that motorcycle to make the Documented 12:35 radio transmission. Plus, I still have other Evidence that Proves that 1 Glove DPD Cop is Not Haygood.
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Royell, I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from
Michael Jackson the officer in question. If you lack the ability to post an image, can you at least share which hand (right or left) has the missing glove?
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Royell, I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson the officer in question. If you lack the ability to post an image, can you at least share which hand (right or left) has the missing glove?
CHARLES - (R) Hand. There's a lot of very fuzzy Darnell/Martin footage floating around. On a decent copy, there's No question. The (R) hand has No Glove while this alleged DPD Cop is WALKING across the train yard and then when he WALKS down the Elm St Ext toward the TSBD Loading dock/TSBD. Go to You Tube: "Raw Footage #69: All WBAP Footage (including Never Before Seen Darnell AND OWENS SCENES)" 26:33-26:50. The Cancellare Photo that shows DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood standing atop the Triple Underpass clearly shows him wearing Gloves on both (R) & (L) Hands. No question about it.
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Royell, I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson the officer in question. If you lack the ability to post an image, can you at least share which hand (right or left) has the missing glove?
I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Thanks Dan and Royell. This image appears to me to show that the cop’s holster is on his right thigh. Also, something is in his left hand (perhaps his glove?). I would assume that he removed his right glove with his left hand to be able to draw and handle his weapon better, if necessary. I suspect that this is standard operating procedure when a cop is walking towards a building with potentially an armed assassin inside. Just my opinion.
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Thanks Dan and Royell. This image appears to me to show that the cop’s holster is on his right thigh. Also, something is in his left hand (perhaps his glove?). I would assume that he removed his right glove with his left hand to be able to draw and handle his weapon better, if necessary. I suspect that this is standard operating procedure when a cop is walking towards a building with potentially an armed assassin inside. Just my opinion.
That alleged DPD Cop has his (R) glove Off well before the still frame you posted above. We also see this DPD Cop Not wearing a glove in the Darnell Train Yard/Caboose film segment as he WALKS behind Officer Roger Craig who is wearing a coat and tie. This rules out the, "..standard operating procedure when a cop is walking towards a building with potentially an armed assassin inside". With the Cancellare Photo showing Officer Haygood wearing Both Gloves while standing atop the Triple Underpass, this means from the Triple Underpass to the Train Caboose that for whatever reason Haygood decided to take his (R) glove off. He then kept that glove off as he WALKED across the entire train yard and then WALKED down the Elm St Ext toward the TSBD Loading Dock. The Haygood timeline issue alone DQ's the One Glove Cop from being Haygood. Now, we have a wardrobe irregularity between Officer Haygood and this guy. And, I have even more evidence that the One Glove Cop is NOT Haygood. - To Be Continued _
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Here’s a snip from Harkness’ testimony:
Mr. BELIN - Now you mentioned that you put something on the radio here, and I hand you here what has been marked as Sawyer Deposition Exhibit A. Before doing that, do you remember what call number you used, you were using on that day?
Mr. HARKNESS - I believe 260.
Mr. BELIN - Well, I notice here that there is a call with a notation at 12:36 p.m., 260 to 531. 531 is your office in the main station?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What does it say there on that transcript?
Mr. HARKNESS - "Witness says shots came from fifth floor, Texas Book Depository store at Houston and Elm. I have him with me now and we are sealing off the building."
Mr. BELIN - All right, that was at 12:36 p.m.?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Had the building been sealed off at that time?
Mr. HARKNESS - Not to my knowledge. There were several officers around it, but I don't know whether it had been sealed off or not.
Mr. BELIN - In the process of sealing off the building, what did you do?
Mr. HARKNESS - Asked for a squad.
Mr. BELIN - How long did it take you after that to have the back part sealed off?
Mr. HARKNESS - The guard was arriving by the time I got off my motorcycle. There was already additional squads en route.
Mr. BELIN - How soon after 12:36 p.m., would you say the building was sealed off?
Mr. HARKNESS - It was sealed off then because I was back there and two other men.
Mr. BELIN - You are talking about the back part of the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What about the front part of the building? When was that sealed off?
Mr. HARKNESS - Inspector Sawyer and two officers were there.
Mr. BELIN - By the time you got around to the front part of the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir; by the time I put the witness in his car, I went immediately to the back.
Mr. BELIN - In other words, as I understand the sequence, you first went to the back of the building and had that sealed off first, or not?
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - You tell me what happened then.
Mr. HARKNESS - I had this witness with me. I didn't want to lose this witness.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Mr. HARKNESS - So I took him to the car.
Mr. BELIN - To Inspector Sawyer's car?
Mr. HARKNESS - To Inspector Sawyer's car, which was right in front.
Mr. BELIN - Which was parked in front of the Texas School Book Depository?
Mr. HARKNESS - And left the witness there and went around to the back.
Mr. BELIN - On whose radio did you call? Did you call in before or after you left the witness in the car?
Mr. HARKNESS - I don't remember in exact sequence there, but it was in the process of going to the car there.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Mr. HARKNESS - See, here is the thing. The radio traffic was heavy at the time, and it depended on how long you had to wait to get in.
Mr. BELIN - All right, in any event, after you made the call, what did you do on the radio? And after you got the man in the car?
Mr. HARKNESS - Well---
Mr. BELIN - The witness in the car, what did you do?
Mr. HARKNESS - Stayed at the back of the building until I was relieved by a squad.
Mr. BELIN - So you then went to the back of the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes.
Mr. BELIN - When you were at Inspector Sawyer's car, did you see him there?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Was he at his car?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir; he was by his car, near his car.
Mr. BELIN - Do you know whether or not he had gone inside the building.
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - You mean you don't know?
Mr. HARKNESS - Don't know whether he had gone in or not. Actually, he was standing there in front taking information. All the information was being funneled to Inspector Sawyer.
Mr. BELIN - Did you tell him you had a witness?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - In his car?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - At that time, had the building been sealed off yet when you told him that?
Mr. HARKNESS - At that time?
Mr. BELIN - When you told Inspector Sawyer that you had a witness that said the shot came from the building, up to that particular moment, had the front part of the building been sealed off yet?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - It had already been sealed off?
Mr. HARKNESS - There was two officers with Inspector Sawyer at the front.
Mr. BELIN - Were they stopping people from going in and out?
Mr. HARKNESS - I don't know.
Mr. BELIN - You don't know?
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir; I don't know that, because I didn't go up and talk to them.
Mr. BELIN - Did you notice whether or not people were coming in and out of the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - No. I was interested in getting around to the back of the building to make sure it was.
Mr. BELIN - Then am I correct that your testimony is that you didn't notice whether people were coming in and out? Did you notice, or did you not notice whether people were coming out of the building at that time?
Mr. HARKNESS - Several officers at the area, and it was a lot of people around. I don't know whether they were going in or out or not. I couldn't say that.
Mr. BELIN - Then you went around to the back of the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Was anyone around in the back when you got there?
Mr. HARKNESS - There were some Secret Service agents there. I didn't get them identified. They told me they were Secret Service.
Mr. BELIN - Then did you say around the back of the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes; I stayed at the back until the squad got there.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Mr. HARKNESS - I went back to the front, and Inspector Sawyer---helped get the crowd back first, and then Inspector Sawyer assigned me to some freight cars that were leaving out of the yard, to go down and search all freight cars that were leaving the yard.
Harkness is identified in that image that Dan posted. Based on the sequence that Harkness says happened, it suggests to me that this image was taken shortly after 12:36.
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I'm not veering off anything. I'm just highlighting that you completely make up all your timings out of thin air.
And that they are usually way off.
The four minutes you assign for Haygood to get to the underpass fence is a joke, completely made up by you.
You are shown real evidence demonstrating the time is actually half that and you just brush it off because it doesn't agree with your completely made up timings.
How can anything be proven to you if you don't accept actual evidence.
It's fair enough that some timings must be estimated, I have no problem with that, but these estimations must emanate from the evidence.
Saying "well, I think it's this" isn't good enough.
I've looked at the Darnell footage a lot more closely and realised the route I did for Haygood needs updating.
In the pic below:
1] Where Haygood leaves his bike
2] Haygood at the underpass fence
3] Haygood seen behind Roger Craig
4] Haygood seen walking towards the TSBD
From 4 back to 1 just shows Haygood's quickest route back to his bike after we see him in the Darnell film walking towards the TSBD building.
As Mitch has pointed out a couple of times, Haygood is not walking along the Elm Street extension, he is in the railroad yard. The extension ends at the yellow line on the pic below:
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZnnG5nkX/Haygood-Route2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Haygood is at point 2 within one minute and forty seconds.
This gives him 3 to 4 minutes to walk the route outlined.
This is really easily done.
No need for impostors or any of that nonsense.
For starters, between points #1 & #2, you have Officer Haygood running straight through the Ft Worth sign. Haygood, after righting his motorcycle at the Elm Curb, ran directly (N) toward the Picket Fence. He continued running in that direction and then eventually veered (W) toward the Triple Underpass. On the back end of your diagram, after #4, the "No Glove Cop" should be WALKING Directly Forward/toward the TSBD Loading Dock. The No Glove Cop does Not WALK toward the Pergola. Take the time and closely examine the Darnell/Martin Films. Through my research, I have untangled Officer Haygood's entire journey and how he was able to back at his motorcycle make his 12:35 radio transmission. The "No Glove Cop" is Not Haygood. Just ask Charles who has supplied further evidence to that end. The question now is: (1) Is the "No Glove Cop" a real DPD Motorcycle Officer? or (2) Is the "No Glove Cop" an imposture = Conspiracy? - To Be Continued -
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Here’s a snip from Harkness’ testimony:
Mr. BELIN - Now you mentioned that you put something on the radio here, and I hand you here what has been marked as Sawyer Deposition Exhibit A. Before doing that, do you remember what call number you used, you were using on that day?
Mr. HARKNESS - I believe 260.
Mr. BELIN - Well, I notice here that there is a call with a notation at 12:36 p.m., 260 to 531. 531 is your office in the main station?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What does it say there on that transcript?
Mr. HARKNESS - "Witness says shots came from fifth floor, Texas Book Depository store at Houston and Elm. I have him with me now and we are sealing off the building."
Mr. BELIN - All right, that was at 12:36 p.m.?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Had the building been sealed off at that time?
Mr. HARKNESS - Not to my knowledge. There were several officers around it, but I don't know whether it had been sealed off or not.
Mr. BELIN - In the process of sealing off the building, what did you do?
Mr. HARKNESS - Asked for a squad.
Mr. BELIN - How long did it take you after that to have the back part sealed off?
Mr. HARKNESS - The guard was arriving by the time I got off my motorcycle. There was already additional squads en route.
Mr. BELIN - How soon after 12:36 p.m., would you say the building was sealed off?
Mr. HARKNESS - It was sealed off then because I was back there and two other men.
Mr. BELIN - You are talking about the back part of the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What about the front part of the building? When was that sealed off?
Mr. HARKNESS - Inspector Sawyer and two officers were there.
Mr. BELIN - By the time you got around to the front part of the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir; by the time I put the witness in his car, I went immediately to the back.
Mr. BELIN - In other words, as I understand the sequence, you first went to the back of the building and had that sealed off first, or not?
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - You tell me what happened then.
Mr. HARKNESS - I had this witness with me. I didn't want to lose this witness.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Mr. HARKNESS - So I took him to the car.
Mr. BELIN - To Inspector Sawyer's car?
Mr. HARKNESS - To Inspector Sawyer's car, which was right in front.
Mr. BELIN - Which was parked in front of the Texas School Book Depository?
Mr. HARKNESS - And left the witness there and went around to the back.
Mr. BELIN - On whose radio did you call? Did you call in before or after you left the witness in the car?
Mr. HARKNESS - I don't remember in exact sequence there, but it was in the process of going to the car there.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Mr. HARKNESS - See, here is the thing. The radio traffic was heavy at the time, and it depended on how long you had to wait to get in.
Mr. BELIN - All right, in any event, after you made the call, what did you do on the radio? And after you got the man in the car?
Mr. HARKNESS - Well---
Mr. BELIN - The witness in the car, what did you do?
Mr. HARKNESS - Stayed at the back of the building until I was relieved by a squad.
Mr. BELIN - So you then went to the back of the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes.
Mr. BELIN - When you were at Inspector Sawyer's car, did you see him there?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Was he at his car?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir; he was by his car, near his car.
Mr. BELIN - Do you know whether or not he had gone inside the building.
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - You mean you don't know?
Mr. HARKNESS - Don't know whether he had gone in or not. Actually, he was standing there in front taking information. All the information was being funneled to Inspector Sawyer.
Mr. BELIN - Did you tell him you had a witness?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - In his car?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - At that time, had the building been sealed off yet when you told him that?
Mr. HARKNESS - At that time?
Mr. BELIN - When you told Inspector Sawyer that you had a witness that said the shot came from the building, up to that particular moment, had the front part of the building been sealed off yet?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - It had already been sealed off?
Mr. HARKNESS - There was two officers with Inspector Sawyer at the front.
Mr. BELIN - Were they stopping people from going in and out?
Mr. HARKNESS - I don't know.
Mr. BELIN - You don't know?
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir; I don't know that, because I didn't go up and talk to them.
Mr. BELIN - Did you notice whether or not people were coming in and out of the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - No. I was interested in getting around to the back of the building to make sure it was.
Mr. BELIN - Then am I correct that your testimony is that you didn't notice whether people were coming in and out? Did you notice, or did you not notice whether people were coming out of the building at that time?
Mr. HARKNESS - Several officers at the area, and it was a lot of people around. I don't know whether they were going in or out or not. I couldn't say that.
Mr. BELIN - Then you went around to the back of the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Was anyone around in the back when you got there?
Mr. HARKNESS - There were some Secret Service agents there. I didn't get them identified. They told me they were Secret Service.
Mr. BELIN - Then did you say around the back of the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes; I stayed at the back until the squad got there.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Mr. HARKNESS - I went back to the front, and Inspector Sawyer---helped get the crowd back first, and then Inspector Sawyer assigned me to some freight cars that were leaving out of the yard, to go down and search all freight cars that were leaving the yard.
Harkness is identified in that image that Dan posted. Based on the sequence that Harkness says happened, it suggests to me that this image was taken shortly after 12:36.
In Harkness' testimony, he first takes off West with King down Main to Industrial, then comes back and winds up in the rail yard, where he runs into Amos Euins. After hearing Euins' story, Harkness calls in at 12:36, plants Euins on the back of his trike then drives him to the front of the Depository. Harkness didn't run around to the back of the Depository until after depositing Euins in Sawyer's car. The Hughes film shows Harkness and King speeding west on Main, and later on has a DPD officer on a three-wheeler puttering around in the rail yard. The Martin film shows Harkness riding east on Old Elm with Euins on the back, while Sawyer pulls in at the front of the TSBD in he background.
Harkness doesn't ask for an extra squad until 12:41
The upshot is that Harkness appearance in the Darnell film would have been before Harkness went around to the back of the building.
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That alleged DPD Cop has his (R) glove Off well before the still frame you posted above. We also see this DPD Cop Not wearing a glove in the Darnell Train Yard/Caboose film segment as he WALKS behind Officer Roger Craig who is wearing a coat and tie. This rules out the, "..standard operating procedure when a cop is walking towards a building with potentially an armed assassin inside". With the Cancellare Photo showing Officer Haygood wearing Both Gloves while standing atop the Triple Underpass, this means from the Triple Underpass to the Train Caboose that for whatever reason Haygood decided to take his (R) glove off. He then kept that glove off as he WALKED across the entire train yard and then WALKED down the Elm St Ext toward the TSBD Loading Dock. The Haygood timeline issue alone DQ's the One Glove Cop from being Haygood. Now, we have a wardrobe irregularity between Officer Haygood and this guy. And, I have even more evidence that the One Glove Cop is NOT Haygood. - To Be Continued _
Again, not sure of the logic here.
It's okay for your mystery cop to remove one glove and carry it in the other hand but it's not okay for any other cop to do that?
Why has your mystery cop removed a glove? Whatever answer you come up with, apply that to Haygood.
The Haygood timeline issue alone DQ's the One Glove Cop from being Haygood.
Not really Royell.
Strong evidence has been presented that it is perfectly possible for Haygood to make it to the various stops he is pictured at with plenty of time to spare.
You just keep insisting you're right. And that's that. Nothing more to be said. Royell has spoken.
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For starters, between points #1 & #2, you have Officer Haygood running straight through the Ft Worth sign. Haygood, after righting his motorcycle at the Elm Curb, ran directly (N) toward the Picket Fence. He continued running in that direction and then eventually veered (W) toward the Triple Underpass. On the back end of your diagram, after #4, the "No Glove Cop" should be WALKING Directly Forward/toward the TSBD Loading Dock. The No Glove Cop does Not WALK toward the Pergola. Take the time and closely examine the Darnell/Martin Films. Through my research, I have untangled Officer Haygood's entire journey and how he was able to back at his motorcycle make his 12:35 radio transmission. The "No Glove Cop" is Not Haygood. Just ask Charles who has supplied further evidence to that end. The question now is: (1) Is the "No Glove Cop" a real DPD Motorcycle Officer? or (2) Is the "No Glove Cop" an imposture = Conspiracy? - To Be Continued -
For starters, between points #1 & #2, you have Officer Haygood running straight through the Ft Worth sign.
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You funny.
The No Glove Cop does Not WALK toward the Pergola. Take the time and closely examine the Darnell/Martin Films. Through my research, I have untangled Officer Haygood's entire journey and how he was able to back at his motorcycle make his 12:35 radio transmission.
Point#4 is where Haygood is filmed in Darnell walking towards the TSBD building. You don't have a clue what he does after this point.
If Haygood is to get back to his bike in time to make his radio call then this is an approximation of the route he took. We know after he is filmed in Darnell, Haygood is back at his bike making his 12:35pm radio call.
And you've untangled Haygood's entire journey??
I've yet to hear this.
Please explain his full journey from the time he gets off his bike to the time he makes his radio call, and the evidence this timeline is based on?
As I understand it you have Haygood at the Triple Underpass for at least 4 minutes (12:34pm). How does he get round the railroad yard and back to his bike for his 12:35pm radio call
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Your problem is you are trying to make the journey of the No Glove Cop fit into that 5 minute timeline. There is NOTHING to document Haygood being on the Elm Ext or walking along the rear of the Pergola less than 5 Minutes after the Kill Shot. If you act real nice, I will shortly take the time to explain the Haygood itinerary after he reached the Triple Underpass. ALL factually supported. Haygood is Not the No Glove Cop. That guy is an imposture.
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Your problem is you are trying to make the journey of the No Glove Cop fit into that 5 minute timeline. There is NOTHING to document Haygood being on the Elm Ext or walking along the rear of the Pergola less than 5 Minutes after the Kill Shot. If you act real nice, I will shortly take the time to explain the Haygood itinerary after he reached the Triple Underpass. ALL factually supported. Haygood is Not the No Glove Cop. That guy is an imposture.
If you act real nice, I will shortly take the time to explain the Haygood itinerary after he reached the Triple Underpass.
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Buddy Walther is also identified in the image/film in question. His testimony indicates he ran to the railroad yards and went over a fence then walked over to the area between Elm and Main streets to look for signs of bullets having been fired. There he encounters Tague. Here’s a snip from Tague’s testimony:
Mr. LIEBELER. Going on Elm Street under the triple underpass?
Mr. TAGUE. Right. Going on Elm. So I stood there looking around. I looked up---there was a motorcycle policeman, and he stopped and had drawn his gun and was running up the embankment toward the railroad tracks. A crowd of people; several people, were starting to come down into that area where he was running, and the people pointing, and excitement up there and so on, and about that time a patrolman who evidently had been stationed under the triple underpass walked up and said, "What happened?" and I said, "I don't know; something."
And we walked up to the---by this time the motorcycle policeman returned back close to where his motorcycle was, and we walked up there and there was a man standing there. Seeing that he was very excited--I don't remember his name at the time I did have it on the tip of my tongue very excited saying he was watching the President and it seemed like his head just exploded. This was a couple or 3 minutes after this happened. And the patrolman said, "Well, I saw something fly off back on the street."
We walked back down there, and another man joined us who identified himself as the deputy sheriff, who was in civilian clothes, and I guess this was 3 or 4 minutes after. I don't know how to gage time on something like that.
And I says, "Well, you know now, I recall something sting me on the face while I was standing down there."
And he looked up and he said, "Yes; you have blood there on your cheek."
And I reached up and there was a couple of drops of blood. And he said, "Where were you standing?"
And I says, "Right down here." We walked 15 feet away when this deputy sheriff said, "Look here on the curb." There was a mark quite obviously that was a bullet, and it was very fresh.
We turned around and we looked back up to see where this possibly could have come from, and the policeman thought he had seen something over here.
Tague’s testimony suggests that he saw Haygood draw his gun and run up the knoll toward the railroad tracks then return to his motorcycle a few minutes later. Also, Walthers appears in the same vicinity as Tague at about the same time that Haygood returns to his motorcycle. The Darnell film appears to show Walthers, the one gloved motorcycle officer in question, and Harkness in the same area in the railroad yard/Elm Street Extension vicinity.
Based on the above sequence, it appears that my assumption that the image was taken after Harkness had already deposited Euins in front of the TSBD was wrong. Based on Walthers’ and Tague’s accounts, it now appears to me that the Darnell film clip was taken earlier than I first thought. If Walthers can run from the Sheriff’s office area to the railroad yards, look around quickly, then walk back to Tague’s location all within about 5 or 6 minutes or so. And, similarly, Harkness can go where he did and get back to the railroad yards in time to be in the Darnell clip, then I see no reason to believe that Haygood couldn’t make it back to his motorcycle from the railroad yard in time to make the radio call.
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To fully understand the Haygood journey after he reached the Triple Underpass, you only need 2 things. (1) Haygood's WC Testimony, and (2) The Cancellare Photo
- OFFICER HAYGOOD WC TESTIMONY -
ATTORNEY BELIN - "Now, when you ran to the railroad yard, would that be North or South of Elm?"
OFFICER HAYGOOD - "The railroad yard would be located at the --- IT CONSISTS OF GOING OVER ELM ST. and back North of Elm ST."
ATTORNEY BELIN - " What did you do when you got there?"
OFFICER HAYGOOD - "Well there was nothing. There was quite a few people, spectators, and AT THAT TIME I WENT BACK TO MY MOTORCYCLE it was on the street--to my radio."
ATTORNEY BELIN - "Did you talk to any people over there or not?"
OFFICER HAYGOOD - "In the railroad yard, I talked to one of the people I PRESUMED TO BE A RAILROAD DETECTIVE that was in the yard."
ATTORNEY BELIN - "Did he say anything to you, that you remember?"
OFFICER HAYGOOD - "Nothing that I remember."
ATTORNEY BELIN - - "Then what did you do?"
OFFICER HAYGOOD - "I WENT BACK TO MY MOTORCYCLE, which was sitting on Elm St."
During his WC Testimony above, Haygood locates the railroad yard as "...going over Elm St....". By Haygood's specific definition, the railroad yard would therefore include the TOP of the Triple Underpass. If you look at the Cancellare Photo (colorized) that is included in our "Research Photo Gallery", you will see Haygood standing on Top of the Triple Underpass facing (W). Just feet away and facing him is a railroad attired individual. This in my opinion is the presumed "Railroad Detective" that Haygood sighted in his WC testimony. Never, at any point in his WC Testimony does Haygood mention checking out a caboose, train car(s), boxcar(s), WALKING across the railroad yard or WALKING toward the TSBD Loading Dock. Yet, this is exactly what we see the One Glove Cop doing on the Darnell/Martin films. Instead, Haygood consistently says only that, "I went back to my motorcycle".
I believe that after reaching the Triple Underpass, Haygood eventually stood atop it as we see on the Cancellare Photo. He then jumped down onto the other side which would immediately place him inside the railroad yard per his WC Testimony definition of the railroad yard = "Going OVER Elm St". Also, after jumping down from atop the Triple Underpass, Haygood is also then in contact with the Presumed "railroad detective" he referenced in his WC Testimony. At that point Haygood testified, "I went back to my motorcycle which was sitting on Elm St". Officer Heygood stood atop the Triple Underpass, dropped down onto the other side, saw that Presumed "Railroad Detective", probably looked around a little, and then jumped back over the Triple Underpass rail and back onto the Grassy Knoll. He then ran down the Grassy Knoll to his motorcycle. Before making his 12:35 radio transmission, Officer Heygood talked with 2 eyewitnesses. 1 of them was James Tague. It was the eyewitness accounts of these 2 people that prompted Haygood to make his 12:35 radio transmission. Conversing with these 2 eyewitnesses also consumed a portion of the Haygood 5 minute window between the Kill Shot and his Verified 12:35 radio call. There is No Way that 5 minutes was enough time for Haygood to: (1) drive his motorcycle down Houston St and then Elm St, (2) dump his motorcycle at the Elm curb, (3) struggle to straighten up his motorcycle, (4) run UP & Across the Grassy Knoll, (5) arrive at/climb atop the Triple Underpass, (6) travel back Deep into the train yard, (7) WALK across that train yard, 8. WALK down the Elm St Ext, (9) travel back to his motorcycle, (10) talk with 2 eyewitnesses and (11) then make that 12:35 radio transmission. ALL of this in only 5 Minutes? It's physically impossible! It is possible for Haygood to make that radio call if he simply went onto the other side of the Triple Underpass, (he's immediately inside the train yard as he defined), and then get back onto the grassy knoll and basically retrace his steps, "BACK TO MY MOTORCYCLE". Haygood told the WC exactly what he did/where he went and his WC testimony fits into that 5 minute window following the Kill Shot. For 60 years running Officer Haygood was used to mask the "One Glove Cop" and his stalking of the Train Yard and then likewise the Elm St Ext/TSBD. I have Now exposed this "One Glove Cop" and at the same time Proven a Conspiracy was employed to assassinate JFK. Prove Me Wrong!
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To fully understand the Haygood journey after he reached the Triple Underpass, you only need 2 things. (1) Haygood's WC Testimony, and (2) The Cancellare Photo
- OFFICER HAYGOOD WC TESTIMONY -
ATTORNEY BELIN - "Now, when you ran to the railroad yard, would that be North or South of Elm?"
OFFICER HAYGOOD - "The railroad yard would be located at the --- IT CONSISTS OF GOING OVER ELM ST. and back North of Elm ST."
ATTORNEY BELIN - " What did you do when you got there?"
OFFICER HAYGOOD - "Well there was nothing. There was quite a few people, spectators, and AT THAT TIME I WENT BACK TO MY MOTORCYCLE it was on the street--to my radio."
ATTORNEY BELIN - "Did you talk to any people over there or not?"
OFFICER HAYGOOD - "In the railroad yard, I talked to one of the people I PRESUMED TO BE A RAILROAD DETECTIVE that was in the yard."
ATTORNEY BELIN - "Did he say anything to you, that you remember?"
OFFICER HAYGOOD - "Nothing that I remember."
ATTORNEY BELIN - - "Then what did you do?"
OFFICER HAYGOOD - "I WENT BACK TO MY MOTORCYCLE, which was sitting on Elm St."
During his WC Testimony above, Haygood locates the railroad yard as "...going over Elm St....". By Haygood's specific definition, the railroad yard would therefore include the TOP of the Triple Underpass. If you look at the Cancellare Photo (colorized) that is included in our "Research Photo Gallery", you will see Haygood standing on Top of the Triple Underpass facing (W). Just feet away and facing him is a railroad attired individual. This in my opinion is the presumed "Railroad Detective" that Haygood sighted in his WC testimony. Never, at any point in his WC Testimony does Haygood mention checking out a caboose, train car(s), boxcar(s), WALKING across the railroad yard or WALKING toward the TSBD Loading Dock. Yet, this is exactly what we see the One Glove Cop doing on the Darnell/Martin films. Instead, Haygood consistently says only that, "I went back to my motorcycle".
I believe that after reaching the Triple Underpass, Haygood eventually stood atop it as we see on the Cancellare Photo. He then jumped down onto the other side which would immediately place him inside the railroad yard per his WC Testimony definition of the railroad yard = "Going OVER Elm St". Also, after jumping down from atop the Triple Underpass, Haygood is also then in contact with the Presumed "railroad detective" he referenced in his WC Testimony. At that point Haygood testified, "I went back to my motorcycle which was sitting on Elm St". Officer Heygood stood atop the Triple Underpass, dropped down onto the other side, saw that Presumed "Railroad Detective", probably looked around a little, and then jumped back over the Triple Underpass rail and back onto the Grassy Knoll. He then ran down the Grassy Knoll to his motorcycle. Before making his 12:35 radio transmission, Officer Heygood talked with 2 eyewitnesses. 1 of them was James Tague. It was the eyewitness accounts of these 2 people that prompted Haygood to make his 12:35 radio transmission. Conversing with these 2 eyewitnesses also consumed a portion of the Haygood 5 minute window between the Kill Shot and his Verified 12:35 radio call. There is No Way that 5 minutes was enough time for Haygood to: (1) drive his motorcycle down Houston St and then Elm St, (2) dump his motorcycle at the Elm curb, (3) struggle to straighten up his motorcycle, (4) run UP & Across the Grassy Knoll, (5) arrive at/climb atop the Triple Underpass, (6) travel back Deep into the train yard, (7) WALK across that train yard, 8. WALK down the Elm St Ext, (9) travel back to his motorcycle, (10) talk with 2 eyewitnesses and (11) then make that 12:35 radio transmission. ALL of this in only 5 Minutes? It's physically impossible! It is possible for Haygood to make that radio call if he simply went onto the other side of the Triple Underpass, (he's immediately inside the train yard as he defined), and then get back onto the grassy knoll and basically retrace his steps, "BACK TO MY MOTORCYCLE". Haygood told the WC exactly what he did/where he went and his WC testimony fits into that 5 minute window following the Kill Shot. For 60 years running Officer Haygood was used to mask the "One Glove Cop" and his stalking of the Train Yard and then likewise the Elm St Ext/TSBD. I have Now exposed this "One Glove Cop" and at the same time Proven a Conspiracy was employed to assassinate JFK. Prove Me Wrong!
On top of the underpass is not in the railroad yard.
I can't believe that this is the big reveal.
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On top of the underpass is not in the railroad yard.
I can't believe that this is the big reveal.
Officer Haygood came DOWN from standing atop the overpass and spoke with what he "presumed" to be a railroad detective. Based on Haygood's WC description of the railroad yard, "...going OVER Elm ST", he believed he was inside the railroad yard when he came down from standing atop the Triple Underpass. Take a good look at the Cancellare Photo of Haygood standing atop the Triple Underpass. In that photo to the (R) is a TREE BRANCH. That's your Landmark, you need to remember it. NOW, go to You Tube and search "JFK: Conspiracy Exposed (Director's Cut)" 36:08 - 36:30. This snippet displays the interview that Mark Lane did with Skinny Holland. During this segment they begin walking down the Triple Underpass. They eventually turn (R) and as they walk forward the viewer can see that same Tree Branch in the upper (L) of the picture. That branch is stretching over the point of the Underpass where it turns into wood fencing. This is the spot where Haygood jumped down from the Triple Underpass and landed inside the railroad yard. That spot is very close to the picket fence/parking lot. It is also very close to the large drainage grate. This Spot is well away from the stretch of train cars that Darnell/Martin filmed the alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop walking in front of. This Haygood landing spot is even further away from the Elm St Ext and the TSBD Loading Dock which Darnell and Martin also filmed this same alleged DPD Cop WALKING toward/down. In Haygood's WC testimony he NEVER MENTIONS train cars, the Elm St Ext, or the TSBD Loading Dock prior to making his 12:35 radio transmission. In fact, when asked what he did, Haygood simply says "I went BACK TO MY MOTORCYCLE...". Haygood made a quick jump down into the railroad yard area close to the Picket Fence, spoke with a "presumed" railroad detective, (visible in the Cancellare Photo), and then climbed Back over the Triple Underpass, onto the grassy knoll and went back to his motorcycle. He spoke with 2 eyewitnesses down near his motorcycle, (1 of them being James Tague), and what they told him warranted his making his Documented 12:35 radio transmission. The DPD Motorcycle Cop we see on the Darnell/Martin films is NOT Officer Haygood. Haygood's WC Testimony proves this, as does the 5:00 minute window between the 12:30 Kill Shot and Haygood's Documented 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle. My mountain of Proof Stands Tall and the Challenge I have issued remains unmet. Such is the case when The Truth is brought forward.
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Time for me to take my VICTORY LAP!
My Discovery stands as FACT due to being based on: (1) Photo Evidence, (2) Film Evidence, and (3) Sworn Testimony. And make No mistake, the "1 Glove Cop" captured on the Darnell/Martin Films NOT being Officer Haygood is a Major Discovery due to: (1) PROVING a Conspiracy was orchestrated to assassinate JFK, and (2) ALL of this Evidence having been in plain sight for roughly 60 years. And believe me when I tell you that if the JFK Assassination Research Community could prove me wrong, they would have circled the wagons and been All over me like "white on rice". I have seen this same group sound their Clarion Horn whenever others have attempted to traverse this same path that I now travel down. These "researchers" come outta the woodwork to bury anyone that steps forward to prove them wrong. Today, I am proud to expose the Officer Haygood ID on the Darnell/Martin Films as being Dead Wrong! And the now Unknown "1 Glove Cop" proves that a Conspiracy was used to assassinate JFK.
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Officer Haygood came DOWN from standing atop the overpass and spoke with what he "presumed" to be a railroad detective. Based on Haygood's WC description of the railroad yard, "...going OVER Elm ST", he believed he was inside the railroad yard when he came down from standing atop the Triple Underpass. Take a good look at the Cancellare Photo of Haygood standing atop the Triple Underpass. In that photo to the (R) is a TREE BRANCH. That's your Landmark, you need to remember it. NOW, go to You Tube and search "JFK: Conspiracy Exposed (Director's Cut)" 36:08 - 36:30. This snippet displays the interview that Mark Lane did with Skinny Holland. During this segment they begin walking down the Triple Underpass. They eventually turn (R) and as they walk forward the viewer can see that same Tree Branch in the upper (L) of the picture. That branch is stretching over the point of the Underpass where it turns into wood fencing. This is the spot where Haygood jumped down from the Triple Underpass and landed inside the railroad yard. That spot is very close to the picket fence/parking lot. It is also very close to the large drainage grate. This Spot is well away from the stretch of train cars that Darnell/Martin filmed the alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop walking in front of. This Haygood landing spot is even further away from the Elm St Ext and the TSBD Loading Dock which Darnell and Martin also filmed this same alleged DPD Cop WALKING toward/down. In Haygood's WC testimony he NEVER MENTIONS train cars, the Elm St Ext, or the TSBD Loading Dock prior to making his 12:35 radio transmission. In fact, when asked what he did, Haygood simply says "I went BACK TO MY MOTORCYCLE...". Haygood made a quick jump down into the railroad yard area close to the Picket Fence, spoke with a "presumed" railroad detective, (visible in the Cancellare Photo), and then climbed Back over the Triple Underpass, onto the grassy knoll and went back to his motorcycle. He spoke with 2 eyewitnesses down near his motorcycle, (1 of them being James Tague), and what they told him warranted his making his Documented 12:35 radio transmission. The DPD Motorcycle Cop we see on the Darnell/Martin films is NOT Officer Haygood. Haygood's WC Testimony proves this, as does the 5:00 minute window between the 12:30 Kill Shot and Haygood's Documented 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle. My mountain of Proof Stands Tall and the Challenge I have issued remains unmet. Such is the case when The Truth is brought forward.
You left off part of Haygood's description of the rail yard, and it's important. You relate it as "...going OVER Elm ST," but there's more to it than that. He actually says "the railroad yard would be located at the---it consists of going over Elm Street and back north of Elm Street." The italicized portion explicitly includes the yard north of the fence. This, in turn, kills your assertion that Haygood was only talking about the area on top of the triple overpass.
There is something else to consider, but it's not obvious. In fact, it's kind of hidden. In the "official" transcript, there is this exchange at 12:38:
22: Get some men up here to cover this school depository building. It's believed the shot came from, as you see it on Elm Street, it would be upper right hand corner, second window from the end.
Dispatcher: 10-4. How many do you have there?
22: I have one guy that was possibly hit by a ricochet from the bullet off the concrete and another one saw the President slump.
Dispatcher: 10-4.
The transcript attributes this to unit (really, patrol district) 22, a Patrolman named L.L. Hill. The problem is that Hill was a patrol division officer, and was assigned area was in far West Dallas, a few miles away from Dealey Plaza. As a patrol division officer, he would have been tuned into channel 1, not channel 2. In fact, when he chimes in at 12:47, it's on channel one. It's difficult to believe that he would have been tuned to channel 2, and dispatched himself to Dealey Plaza on his own as soon as the first reports of the shooting came in.
However, listening to the channel 2 recording tells a different story. While the officer responsible for the transmission calls in, it does indeed sound like he announces himself as "22." However, this "22" sounds exactly the voice behind Haygood's 12:35 transmission, including the odd halting speech pattern. The channel 1 22 has a voice pitched about a third higher than the channel 2 one as well. I figure that Haygood was a little slow on the transmit button in the second transmission, which caused the first part of his number, "142," to get cut off. It's interesting how well the contents of the second transmission match Haygood's testimony.
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You left off part of Haygood's description of the rail yard, and it's important. You relate it as "...going OVER Elm ST," but there's more to it than that. He actually says "the railroad yard would be located at the---it consists of going over Elm Street and back north of Elm Street." The italicized portion explicitly includes the yard north of the fence. This, in turn, kills your assertion that Haygood was only talking about the area on top of the triple overpass.
There is something else to consider, but it's not obvious. In fact, it's kind of hidden. In the "official" transcript, there is this exchange at 12:38:
22: Get some men up here to cover this school depository building. It's believed the shot came from, as you see it on Elm Street, it would be upper right hand corner, second window from the end.
Dispatcher: 10-4. How many do you have there?
22: I have one guy that was possibly hit by a ricochet from the bullet off the concrete and another one saw the President slump.
Dispatcher: 10-4.
The transcript attributes this to unit (really, patrol district) 22, a Patrolman named L.L. Hill. The problem is that Hill was a patrol division officer, and was assigned area was in far West Dallas, a few miles away from Dealey Plaza. As a patrol division officer, he would have been tuned into channel 1, not channel 2. In fact, when he chimes in at 12:47, it's on channel one. It's difficult to believe that he would have been tuned to channel 2, and dispatched himself to Dealey Plaza on his own as soon as the first reports of the shooting came in.
However, listening to the channel 2 recording tells a different story. While the officer responsible for the transmission calls in, it does indeed sound like he announces himself as "22." However, this "22" sounds exactly the voice behind Haygood's 12:35 transmission, including the odd halting speech pattern. The channel 1 22 has a voice pitched about a third higher than the channel 2 one as well. I figure that Haygood was a little slow on the transmit button in the second transmission, which caused the first part of his number, "142," to get cut off. It's interesting how well the contents of the second transmission match Haygood's testimony.
It was quite cruel of you to trip Royell up while he was taking his victory lap.
Interesting spot about the "22" transmission, this must surely be Haygood.
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You left off part of Haygood's description of the rail yard, and it's important. You relate it as "...going OVER Elm ST," but there's more to it than that. He actually says "the railroad yard would be located at the---it consists of going over Elm Street and back north of Elm Street." The italicized portion explicitly includes the yard north of the fence. This, in turn, kills your assertion that Haygood was only talking about the area on top of the triple overpass.
There is something else to consider, but it's not obvious. In fact, it's kind of hidden. In the "official" transcript, there is this exchange at 12:38:
22: Get some men up here to cover this school depository building. It's believed the shot came from, as you see it on Elm Street, it would be upper right hand corner, second window from the end.
Dispatcher: 10-4. How many do you have there?
22: I have one guy that was possibly hit by a ricochet from the bullet off the concrete and another one saw the President slump.
Dispatcher: 10-4.
The transcript attributes this to unit (really, patrol district) 22, a Patrolman named L.L. Hill. The problem is that Hill was a patrol division officer, and was assigned area was in far West Dallas, a few miles away from Dealey Plaza. As a patrol division officer, he would have been tuned into channel 1, not channel 2. In fact, when he chimes in at 12:47, it's on channel one. It's difficult to believe that he would have been tuned to channel 2, and dispatched himself to Dealey Plaza on his own as soon as the first reports of the shooting came in.
However, listening to the channel 2 recording tells a different story. While the officer responsible for the transmission calls in, it does indeed sound like he announces himself as "22." However, this "22" sounds exactly the voice behind Haygood's 12:35 transmission, including the odd halting speech pattern. The channel 1 22 has a voice pitched about a third higher than the channel 2 one as well. I figure that Haygood was a little slow on the transmit button in the second transmission, which caused the first part of his number, "142," to get cut off. It's interesting how well the contents of the second transmission match Haygood's testimony.
Generally, whether it be back in 1964 when Haygood gave his WC Testimony or Now, the Dealey Plaza "train yard" is automatically accepted as being the area (N) of Elm St behind the Pergola and stretching back behind the TSBD. Haygood went out of his way to include, "...going over Elm St" in his geographic description of the Train Yard. Why did he do this? He did this to Specifically designate his physical position on 11/22/63 after he jumped down from the Triple Underpass. (As pictured on the Cancellare Photo). Haygood was Inside the train yard as soon as he hit the ground. During his WC Testimony he then detailed talking with a "presumed" rail road detective. (Also pictured in the Cancellare Photo). At no point does Haygood mention his checking out a Caboose, train cars, boxcars, or even a string of railroad passenger cars as we see the "No Glove Cop" doing on the Darnell/Martin Films. Haygood also makes no mention of WALKING down the Elm St Ext or being within spitting distance of the TSBD Loading Dock (as filmed by Darnell/Martin), during this same time span. Why does Haygood Fail to mention any of this? Because that "No Glove Cop" we see on the Darnell/Martin Films doing ALL of this is NOT Officer Haygood. This "No Glove Cop" Not being Officer Haygood is a Major Discovery. This means we Now have: (1) An Unknown DPD Motorcycle Cop being inside the train yard Less than 5 minutes following the Kill Shot, or (2) An Imposture = A Conspiracy being employed to assassinate JFK.
During his WC Testimony, Officer Haygood confirmed his having made the Documented Police Radio Log calls at 12:35 and 12:37 from his motorcycle. That stands until dis-proven.
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Generally, whether it be back in 1964 when Haygood gave his WC Testimony or Now, the Dealey Plaza "train yard" is automatically accepted as being the area (N) of Elm St behind the Pergola and stretching back behind the TSBD. Haygood went out of his way to include, "...going over Elm St" in his geographic description of the Train Yard. Why did he do this? He did this to Specifically designate his physical position on 11/22/63 after he jumped down from the Triple Underpass. (As pictured on the Cancellare Photo). Haygood was Inside the train yard as soon as he hit the ground. During his WC Testimony he then detailed talking with a "presumed" rail road detective. (Also pictured in the Cancellare Photo). At no point does Haygood mention his checking out a Caboose, train cars, boxcars, or even a string of railroad passenger cars as we see the "No Glove Cop" doing on the Darnell/Martin Films. Haygood also makes no mention of WALKING down the Elm St Ext or being within spitting distance of the TSBD Loading Dock (as filmed by Darnell/Martin), during this same time span. Why does Haygood Fail to mention any of this? Because that "No Glove Cop" we see on the Darnell/Martin Films doing ALL of this is NOT Officer Haygood. This "No Glove Cop" Not being Officer Haygood is a Major Discovery. This means we Now have: (1) An Unknown DPD Motorcycle Cop being inside the train yard Less than 5 minutes following the Kill Shot, or (2) An Imposture = A Conspiracy being employed to assassinate JFK.
During his WC Testimony, Officer Haygood confirmed his having made the Documented Police Radio Log calls at 12:35 and 12:37 from his motorcycle. That stands until dis-proven.
Generally, whether it be back in 1964 when Haygood gave his WC Testimony or Now, the Dealey Plaza "train yard" is automatically accepted as being the area
This statement is simply not true. The rail yards extended well south of the triple overpass, and the deck on top of the TOP is part of the rail yard: even a cursory view of aerial photos of the area plainly shows the network of shunts and switches on top of the overpass. They wouldn't be there if it wasn't part of the yard.
Haygood went out of his way to include, "...going over Elm St" in his geographic description of the Train Yard. Why did he do this? He did this to Specifically designate his physical position on 11/22/63 after he jumped down from the Triple Underpass.
You may be right, but this doesn't preclude him from heading north immediately afterward.
a "presumed" rail road detective. Also pictured in the Cancellare Photo
I don't see an RR dick in the Cancellare photo with Haygood on the TOP ballusters. If you look closely at the photo, there are two men on top of the overpass in front of Haygood. One is a DPD officer, the other is wearing the hat of an RR laborer.
At no point does Haygood mention his checking out a Caboose, train cars, boxcars,
At no point does he deny doing so, either, so this proves nothing. You're expecting an unrealistic level of detail in his testimony.
Haygood also makes no mention of WALKING down the Elm St Ext or being within spitting distance of the TSBD Loading Dock
That's good, because the MC officer walking in the Darnell film is neither walking down the "Elm St extension" or is within "spitting distance" of the TSBD docks. The Darnell film shows the guy crossing the westernmost of the three railroad spurs west of the Depository, which would put him as far from the west corner of the TSBD annex as the west corner of the TSBD annex is from the SE corner of the building. That's quite a bit more than "spitting distance." And, as I've earlier noted, the sub of Elm street in front of the Depository ends at the Pergola. West of that point --that is, where the officer is seen-- is the RR yards.
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Generally, whether it be back in 1964 when Haygood gave his WC Testimony or Now, the Dealey Plaza "train yard" is automatically accepted as being the area
This statement is simply not true. The rail yards extended well south of the triple overpass, and the deck on top of the TOP is part of the rail yard: even a cursory view of aerial photos of the area plainly shows the network of shunts and switches on top of the overpass. They wouldn't be there if it wasn't part of the yard.
Haygood went out of his way to include, "...going over Elm St" in his geographic description of the Train Yard. Why did he do this? He did this to Specifically designate his physical position on 11/22/63 after he jumped down from the Triple Underpass.
You may be right, but this doesn't preclude him from heading north immediately afterward.
a "presumed" rail road detective. Also pictured in the Cancellare Photo
I don't see an RR dick in the Cancellare photo with Haygood on the TOP ballusters. If you look closely at the photo, there are two men on top of the overpass in front of Haygood. One is a DPD officer, the other is wearing the hat of an RR laborer.
At no point does Haygood mention his checking out a Caboose, train cars, boxcars,
At no point does he deny doing so, either, so this proves nothing. You're expecting an unrealistic level of detail in his testimony.
Haygood also makes no mention of WALKING down the Elm St Ext or being within spitting distance of the TSBD Loading Dock
That's good, because the MC officer walking in the Darnell film is neither walking down the "Elm St extension" or is within "spitting distance" of the TSBD docks. The Darnell film shows the guy crossing the westernmost of the three railroad spurs west of the Depository, which would put him as far from the west corner of the TSBD annex as the west corner of the TSBD annex is from the SE corner of the building. That's quite a bit more than "spitting distance." And, as I've earlier noted, the sub of Elm street in front of the Depository ends at the Pergola. West of that point --that is, where the officer is seen-- is the RR yards.
I am going to stick to the Photo/Film EVIDENCE and the Sworn WC Testimony of Haygood.
Officer Haygood - "The railroad would be located at the --- it consists of going over Elm St and back North of Elm St."
Attorney Belin - "What did you do when you got there?
Officer Haygood - "Well, there was nothing. There was quite a few people in the area, spectators, and at the time I WENT BACK TO MY MOTORCYCLE it was on the street- to my radio."
Attorney Belin - "Did you see people running away from there?"
Officer Haygood - "No they was all going to it."
Attorney Belin - "Did you talk to any people over there or not?"
Officer Haygood - "In the railroad yard, I talked to one of the people I Presumed to be a detective that was in the yard."
Attorney Belin - "Had he been in the yard before or not?"
Officer Haygood - "No, he was just coming into the yard after I was."
Attorney Belin - "He was coming into the area after the shooting?"
Officer Haygood - "Yes"
Attorney Belin - "Did he say anything to you that you remember?"
Officer Haygood - "Nothing that I remember."
Attorney Belin - "Then what did you do?"
Officer Haygood - I WENT BACK TO MY MOTORCYCLE which was sitting on Elm St."
The Darnell/Martin Films continuously show the "No Glove Cop" walking W-E across the train yard. He's paralleling a Caboose which is attached to several passenger train cars. At No point as he walks across the train yard is the "No Glove Cop" filmed talking with anyone, let alone a Presumed railroad detective. When Exactly do you believe this "No Glove Cop" talked with the presumed railroad detective and then immediately, "Went back to my motorcycle"? We do Not see this "No Glove Cop" engage anyone during his extended Darnell/Martin film coverage. You tell me. Exactly when did this alleged DPD Cop engage/talk with anyone?
We see on the Cancellare Photo that Officer Haygood is directly facing a railroad employee. I believe this is who Haygood "presumed" to be a railroad detective. After talking with him, Haygood did exactly what he said he did. "I went back to my motorcycle which was sitting on Elm St." Haygood basically retraced his steps. He went back over the fence to the Grassy Knoll and then down to his motorcycle below at the curb. Haygood then talked with 2 eyewitnesses, (James Tague being one of them), and immediately made his Documented 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle. Officer Haygood's WC testimony regarding his actions fits within the 5 minute elapsed time window between the 12:30 Kill Shot and his 12:35 radio transmission. The Darnell/Martin filmed actions of the "No Glove Cop": (1) Are Contrary to the WC Testimony of Officer Haygood, and (2) Fail to meet Haygood's 5 minute elapsed time window. That "No Glove Cop" is Not Officer Haygood. The Film, Photo, and WC Testimony of Officer Haygood ALL prove this.
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I am going to stick to the Photo/Film EVIDENCE and the Sworn WC Testimony of Haygood.
Officer Haygood - "The railroad would be located at the --- it consists of going over Elm St and back North of Elm St."
Attorney Belin - "What did you do when you got there?
Officer Haygood - "Well, there was nothing. There was quite a few people in the area, spectators, and at the time I WENT BACK TO MY MOTORCYCLE it was on the street- to my radio."
Attorney Belin - "Did you see people running away from there?"
Officer Haygood - "No they was all going to it."
Attorney Belin - "Did you talk to any people over there or not?"
Officer Haygood - "In the railroad yard, I talked to one of the people I Presumed to be a detective that was in the yard."
Attorney Belin - "Had he been in the yard before or not?"
Officer Haygood - "No, he was just coming into the yard after I was."
Attorney Belin - "He was coming into the area after the shooting?"
Officer Haygood - "Yes"
Attorney Belin - "Did he say anything to you that you remember?"
Officer Haygood - "Nothing that I remember."
Attorney Belin - "Then what did you do?"
Officer Haygood - I WENT BACK TO MY MOTORCYCLE which was sitting on Elm St."
The Darnell/Martin Films continuously show the "No Glove Cop" walking W-E across the train yard. He's paralleling a Caboose which is attached to several passenger train cars. At No point as he walks across the train yard is the "No Glove Cop" filmed talking with anyone, let alone a Presumed railroad detective. When Exactly do you believe this "No Glove Cop" talked with the presumed railroad detective and then immediately, "Went back to my motorcycle"? We do Not see this "No Glove Cop" engage anyone during his extended Darnell/Martin film coverage. You tell me. Exactly when did this alleged DPD Cop engage/talk with anyone?
We see on the Cancellare Photo that Officer Haygood is directly facing a railroad employee. I believe this is who Haygood "presumed" to be a railroad detective. After talking with him, Haygood did exactly what he said he did. "I went back to my motorcycle which was sitting on Elm St." Haygood basically retraced his steps. He went back over the fence to the Grassy Knoll and then down to his motorcycle below at the curb. Haygood then talked with 2 eyewitnesses, (James Tague being one of them), and immediately made his Documented 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle. Officer Haygood's WC testimony regarding his actions fits within the 5 minute elapsed time window between the 12:30 Kill Shot and his 12:35 radio transmission. The Darnell/Martin filmed actions of the "No Glove Cop": (1) Are Contrary to the WC Testimony of Officer Haygood, and (2) Fail to meet Haygood's 5 minute elapsed time window. That "No Glove Cop" is Not Officer Haygood. The Film, Photo, and WC Testimony of Officer Haygood ALL prove this.
The Darnell/Martin Films continuously show the "No Glove Cop" walking W-E across the train yard
The motocop is seen in those films for a few seconds total. You try to extrapolate far too much from that.
We see on the Cancellare Photo that Officer Haygood is directly facing a railroad employee. I believe this is who Haygood "presumed" to be a railroad detective
RR police are Federally chartered police forces. They either wear police uniforms or (in the case of the detectives) are plain-clothesed, as in other police forces. The hat worn by the RR worker in the Cancellare photo marks him as a simple yard worker or a locomotive crewman. Not likely that Haygood would have mistaken him for an RR detective.
Haygood basically retraced his steps
Haygood doesn't actually say this. He didn't say what route he took after he reached the TOP. You just read it into his testimony, because you need it to be a certain way.
Haygood then talked with 2 eyewitnesses, (James Tague being one of them), and immediately made his Documented 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle
The Haygood transmission involving Tague and another man doesn't occur until 12:38. There is only one witness mentioned in the 12:35 report, and that witness is not Tague.
The Film, Photo, and WC Testimony of Officer Haygood ALL prove this
You take what little Haygood says, then read an immense amount out of it, far more than is warranted, bending facts all the way along.
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You're Not alone in being unable to supply Any Evidence what-so-ever that the "No Glove Cop" is DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood. You are now merely 1 more inna very long line that stretches back over the last 60+years. My discovery of the Officer Haygood 12:35 radio transmission, in conjunction with the Photo, Film, and his own WC Testimony, Conclusively Prove he is not the "No Glove Cop" filmed Walking across the train yard and then toward/down the Elm St Ext.
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Just a last update of the route Haygood took through the railroad yard.
Below is a pic by Jim Murray taken shortly after the assassination. Circled on the left is Haygood stood under a tree. Circled on the right is Harkness.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vT8gCMbR/Murray-Haygood-Circled.png) (https://postimages.org/)
There is only one tree in the railroad yard itself. Below is the updated route of Haygood.
1] Haygood gets off his bike
2] Haygood in Cancellare on the underpass
3] Haygood in Darnell behind Craig
4] Haygood in Darnell walking towards TSBD
5] Haygood in Murray pic under the tree
(https://i.postimg.cc/FK81DcnL/Haygood-Route3.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Can Haygood make this route in 5 minutes?
Easily.
Photographic evidence has Haygood at point [2] about 1 min 40 seconds after shooting. This gives him three to four minutes to walk the route. There is absolutely no reason to believe he could not complete the route in this given time. It's easily done.
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Just a last update of the route Haygood took through the railroad yard.
Below is a pic by Jim Murray taken shortly after the assassination. Circled on the left is Haygood stood under a tree. Circled on the right is Harkness.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vT8gCMbR/Murray-Haygood-Circled.png) (https://postimages.org/)
There is only one tree in the railroad yard itself. Below is the updated route of Haygood.
1] Haygood gets off his bike
2] Haygood in Cancellare on the underpass
3] Haygood in Darnell behind Craig
4] Haygood in Darnell walking towards TSBD
5] Haygood in Murray pic under the tree
(https://i.postimg.cc/FK81DcnL/Haygood-Route3.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Can Haygood make this route in 5 minutes?
Easily.
Photographic evidence has Haygood at point [2] about 1 min 40 seconds after shooting. This gives him three to four minutes to walk the route. There is absolutely no reason to believe he could not complete the route in this given time. It's easily done.
Good eye Dan! Looking at the image of Haygood in the Murray photo I see the white helmet. And it appears to me that there is another officer between Haygood and the camera. If I am looking at this correctly, Haygood would be to the right rear of this officer. I agree with your assessment of the walking distance versus time. My rough calculations indicate the round trip route to be a little over 700-feet. I am an old geezer with relatively short legs and can easily walk a casual mile (5280-feet) in about 20-minutes. There is no reason to believe Haygood couldn’t walk the ~700-feet route in 5-minutes. By the way, if you have access to “Pictures of the Pain” by Richard Trask, read about all the things Murray did before taking the photo you posted. He was inside the building near the intersection of Main & Houston (Haygood was just outside the same building on his motorcycle) when the shots were fired. He ran to his car parked near the TSBD loading dock on Houston Street. Then removed some film and reloaded his camera, took some photos near the corner of Elm & Houston, then went to the area where he took the photo you posted. There is another officer in this photo standing on the top of one of the railroad cars.
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You're Not alone in being unable to supply Any Evidence what-so-ever that the "No Glove Cop" is DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood. You are now merely 1 more inna very long line that stretches back over the last 60+years. My discovery of the Officer Haygood 12:35 radio transmission, in conjunction with the Photo, Film, and his own WC Testimony, Conclusively Prove he is not the "No Glove Cop" filmed Walking across the train yard and then toward/down the Elm St Ext.
You've been completely unable to demonstrate your contention that the motorcycle officer in the Darnell film is not Haygood. When we strip off your misconceptions, your misunderstandings, and your miscontruals, all we are left with is a base assertion that "Haygood didn't explicitly say he was in the rail yards behind the knoll." Which isn't really an argument. So now you want to shift the burden of proof, and declare yourself the victor. A quaint strategy, but the rest of us see right through it.
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The Sixth Floor Museum indicates this to be Haygood in the railroad yard/parking area (thanks to James Hackerott for the heads up):
(https://i.vgy.me/I4pbfY.png)
It is Skaggs’ 8th slide. While we have no reasonable way to determine the time of day of this photo, I think that Skaggs made a couple of photos of the entrance to the TSBD (that I assume were made shortly after the above #8 slide) which might be suitable for shadow study resulting in a time of day. And if it can be shown that Skaggs’ TSBD entrance photos were taken later than the above photo, we would have a “before this time” reference for the above photo. The Sixth Floor Museum does have the Skaggs photo collection, but (inexplicably) I am not able to access it online at this time.
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This (from the John Martin film) is reportedly Clyde Haygood with Charles Brehm just after Haygood’s walk through the railroad yard/parking area:
(https://i.vgy.me/cO300j.png)
https://jfkassassinationfiles.wordpress.com/2016/03/28/dca-film/ (https://jfkassassinationfiles.wordpress.com/2016/03/28/dca-film/)
When I viewed the Martin film, it appeared to me that Haygood’s right glove was not on his hand:
(https://i.vgy.me/4my5Zv.png)
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Just a last update of the route Haygood took through the railroad yard.
Below is a pic by Jim Murray taken shortly after the assassination. Circled on the left is Haygood stood under a tree. Circled on the right is Harkness.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vT8gCMbR/Murray-Haygood-Circled.png) (https://postimages.org/)
There is only one tree in the railroad yard itself. Below is the updated route of Haygood.
1] Haygood gets off his bike
2] Haygood in Cancellare on the underpass
3] Haygood in Darnell behind Craig
4] Haygood in Darnell walking towards TSBD
5] Haygood in Murray pic under the tree
(https://i.postimg.cc/FK81DcnL/Haygood-Route3.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Can Haygood make this route in 5 minutes?
Easily.
Photographic evidence has Haygood at point [2] about 1 min 40 seconds after shooting. This gives him three to four minutes to walk the route. There is absolutely no reason to believe he could not complete the route in this given time. It's easily done.
Your posted Murray Photo was taken well after Haygood had already returned to his motorcycle at the Elm Curb. (Even if we ASSUME those DPD Cops are who you claim them to be). And your Haygood route remains incorrect. You still have him running through the Ft. Worth sign. And your #2 Spot on that same diagram is also Wrong regarding where Haygood climbed atop the fence and then came down onto into the railroad yard. I could go on, but even at this very early point in your refutation My Discovery Stands.
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You've been completely unable to demonstrate your contention that the motorcycle officer in the Darnell film is not Haygood. When we strip off your misconceptions, your misunderstandings, and your miscontruals, all we are left with is a base assertion that "Haygood didn't explicitly say he was in the rail yards behind the knoll." Which isn't really an argument. So now you want to shift the burden of proof, and declare yourself the victor. A quaint strategy, but the rest of us see right through it.
So once again you have Failed to provide EXACTLY WHERE Haygood ran into a "presumed" railroad detective, and then went straight back to his motorcycle? This is Not surprising as the "No Glove Cop" is Not Officer Haygood. And you need to consider that 5 Minute window he has. Like everyone else, you consistently FAIL to consider the Haygood tick/tock consumed while he questioned 2 eyewitnesses BEFORE making that 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle. And then we also have the "No Glove Cop" not wearing a glove on his (R) Hand vs Officer Haygood clearly Wearing BOTH GLOVES in the Cancellare photo. Photo Evidence + Film Evidence + Haygood's WC Testimony +5 Minute Window + DPD Uniform Disparity PROVE this "No Glove Cop" is Not Haygood.
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Your posted Murray Photo was taken well after Haygood had already returned to his motorcycle at the Elm Curb. (Even if we ASSUME those DPD Cops are who you claim them to be). And your Haygood route remains incorrect. You still have him running through the Ft. Worth sign. And your #2 Spot on that same diagram is also Wrong regarding where Haygood climbed atop the fence and then came down onto into the railroad yard. I could go on, but even at this very early point in your refutation My Discovery Stands.
Your posted Murray Photo was taken well after Haygood had already returned to his motorcycle at the Elm Curb.
According to Richard Trask in his book “Pictures of the Pain”, page 494, the next photo that Murray took is the one that includes Amos Euins and also Hugh Betzner wandering around in the parking lot area. Going by memory, I believe that Harkness radioed about having Amos Euins as a witness and taking him to the car in the front of the TSBD building around 12:36. Therefore it appears that the Murray photo that Dan posted was taken well before 12:36. Trask backs up his information with a lot of references including interviews and correspondence with Murray.
Edit: corrected the time to 12:36.
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Your posted Murray Photo was taken well after Haygood had already returned to his motorcycle at the Elm Curb. (Even if we ASSUME those DPD Cops are who you claim them to be). And your Haygood route remains incorrect. You still have him running through the Ft. Worth sign. And your #2 Spot on that same diagram is also Wrong regarding where Haygood climbed atop the fence and then came down onto into the railroad yard. I could go on, but even at this very early point in your refutation My Discovery Stands.
Your posted Murray Photo was taken well after Haygood had already returned to his motorcycle at the Elm Curb.
What evidence do you have for this claim?
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Your posted Murray Photo was taken well after Haygood had already returned to his motorcycle at the Elm Curb.
According to Richard Trask in his book “Pictures of the Pain”, page 494, the next photo that Murray took is the one that includes Amos Euins and also Hugh Betzner wandering around in the parking lot area. Going by memory, I believe that Harkness radioed about having Amos Euins as a witness and taking him to the car in the front of the TSBD building around 12:36. Therefore it appears that the Murray photo that Dan posted was taken well before 12:06. Trask backs up his information with a lot of references including interviews and correspondence with Murray.
Ouch!
I think that pretty much wraps things up here.
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After leaving the RR yard Murray stood on the grassy knoll and photographed the crowd gathered on N Elm, including the area near the parked motorcycle of Clyde Haygood. His helmet is visible in the photo near his bike. Murray also caught the north peristyle wall with an advancing shadow moving southward about 3-4” per minute. Modeling this wall shadow allows an estimation of the time as 12:36.
(https://i.imgur.com/XwcN8Cr.jpeg)
My original posting on this technique can be found in this forum here.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2013.msg54679.html#google_vignette
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After leaving the RR yard Murray stood on the grassy knoll and photographed the crowd gathered on N Elm, including the area near the parked motorcycle of Clyde Haygood. His helmet is visible in the photo near his bike. Murray also caught the north peristyle wall with an advancing shadow moving southward about 3-4” per minute. Modeling this wall shadow allows an estimation of the time as 12:36.
(https://i.imgur.com/XwcN8Cr.jpeg)
My original posting on this technique can be found in this forum here.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2013.msg54679.html#google_vignette
Thanks James, excellent work as usual! A few photos later in Murray’s sequence we can see a time displayed on the clock on top of the TSBD as 12:39. Which further supports the accuracy of your shadow technique.
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So once again you have Failed to provide EXACTLY WHERE Haygood ran into a "presumed" railroad detective, and then went straight back to his motorcycle? This is Not surprising as the "No Glove Cop" is Not Officer Haygood. And you need to consider that 5 Minute window he has. Like everyone else, you consistently FAIL to consider the Haygood tick/tock consumed while he questioned 2 eyewitnesses BEFORE making that 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle. And then we also have the "No Glove Cop" not wearing a glove on his (R) Hand vs Officer Haygood clearly Wearing BOTH GLOVES in the Cancellare photo. Photo Evidence + Film Evidence + Haygood's WC Testimony +5 Minute Window + DPD Uniform Disparity PROVE this "No Glove Cop" is Not Haygood.
So once again you have Failed to provide EXACTLY WHERE Haygood ran into a "presumed" railroad detective, and then went straight back to his motorcycle?
It was never my responsibility to determine where Haygood ran into his presumed railroad detective. The photographic evidence is sparse enough that there are plenty of opportunities for this that are not on film. It is up to you to show that he had to have run into the detective while on the ballustrade. All you are doing is trying to shift the burden of proof.
And you need to consider that 5 Minute window he has.
You have also singularly failed to show that he could not have been able to make it to the west spur and back to his motorcycle in 5 minutes. The window is also 4-6 minutes long, since we cant be certain of when in 12:30 the shots were fired and where in 12:35 Haygood hit the mic button on his radio.
Having failed all of that, all you can do is capitalize the word "PROVE" like it makes a difference.
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So once again you have Failed to provide EXACTLY WHERE Haygood ran into a "presumed" railroad detective, and then went straight back to his motorcycle?
It was never my responsibility to determine where Haygood ran into his presumed railroad detective. The photographic evidence is sparse enough that there are plenty of opportunities for this that are not on film. It is up to you to show that he had to have run into the detective while on the ballustrade. All you are doing is trying to shift the burden of proof.
And you need to consider that 5 Minute window he has.
You have also singularly failed to show that he could not have been able to make it to the west spur and back to his motorcycle in 5 minutes. The window is also 4-6 minutes long, since we cant be certain of when in 12:30 the shots were fired and where in 12:35 Haygood hit the mic button on his radio.
Having failed all of that, all you can do is capitalize the word "PROVE" like it makes a difference.
I appreciate your attempting to meet my challenge. As I told you, I have a mountain of evidence.
- WC TESTIMONY OF JAMES TAGUE -
Mr TAGUE - "..........After the third shot, I ducked behind the bridge abutment and was there for a second, and as I glanced out, and just as I looked out, the car following the President's car, the one with the Secret Service men was just flying past at that time.
LIEBLER - "Going on Elm St under the Triple Underpass?"
TAGUE - " Right, going on Elm. So I stood there looking around. I looked up--there was a motorcycle policeman, and he had stopped and drawn his weapon and was running up the embankment toward the railroad tracks. A crowd of people, several people were starting to come down into that area where he was running, and the people pointing and excitement up there and so on, and about that time a patrolman who evidently had been stationed under the triple underpass walked up and said "what happened?", and I said "I don't know, something". And we walked up to - by this time the Motorcycle Policeman RETURNED BACK CLOSE to where his motorcycle was, and we walked up there, and there was a man standing there. Seeing that he was very excited, I don't remember his name at this time, I had it on the tip of my tongue very excited saying he was watching the President and it seemed like his head just exploded. This was a COUPLE OR 3 MINUTES AFTER THIS HAPPENED". ...................
Obviously DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood was BACK at his motorcycle well before making that 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle. He had to be in order to listen to the eyewitness stories that mandated his making his Documented 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle. Officer Haygood was able to be BACK at his motorcycle this quickly due to his retracing his steps and going BACK over the Triple Underpass, jumping BACK onto the Grassy Knoll, and then going BACK Down the grassy knoll to his motorcycle. That is Not Officer Haygood on the Darnell/Martin films walking in front of the caboose, train cars and then Toward/Down the Elm St Ext. During his WC Testimony, Haygood NEVER mentions doing any of this. Per the WC Testimony of James Tague, Officer Haygood was back at his motorcycle within roughly 3 minutes following the Kill Shot.
This is a Major Discovery! My challenge stands due to being supported by a mountain of Evidence.
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Your posted Murray Photo was taken well after Haygood had already returned to his motorcycle at the Elm Curb.
What evidence do you have for this claim?
"Pictures Of The Pain" went into Detail regarding the Murray itinerary on 11/22/63. As with many of the witnesses chronicled in this book, their story jumps around/across many and sometimes hundreds of scattered pages. A dedicated "researcher" needs to follow this disjointed story telling to its' complete conclusion. To set the record straight, Murray was initially inside when the Kill Shot was fired. (5 minute Haygood clock begins running). Murray exited the building and then went to his car and retrieved his camera from the trunk. He then changed the film inside that same camera. After this, he then went Directly to Elm St and took photos. Any of the Murray photos posted on this thread would have been snapped after Officer Haygood's 5 minute window had Expired.
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"Pictures Of The Pain" went into Detail regarding the Murray itinerary on 11/22/63. As with many of the witnesses chronicled in this book, their story jumps around/across many and sometimes hundreds of scattered pages. A dedicated "researcher" needs to follow this disjointed story telling to its' complete conclusion. To set the record straight, Murray was initially inside when the Kill Shot was fired. (5 minute Haygood clock begins running). Murray exited the building and then went to his car and retrieved his camera from the trunk. He then changed the film inside that same camera. After this, he then went Directly to Elm St and took photos. Any of the Murray photos posted on this thread would have been snapped after Officer Haygood's 5 minute window had Expired.
Any of the Murray photos posted on this thread would have been snapped after Officer Haygood's 5 minute window had Expired.
This is apparently your opinion. Trask’s information based on documentation in “Pictures of the Pain” indicate that your opinion is clearly wrong. Here are Trask’s chapter notes (references) at the end of his chapter on Murray and his photos.
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I don’t know about anyone else, but I prefer to believe Trask has it right. James Hackerott’s work with the shadow-clock also supports Trask’s information.
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Any of the Murray photos posted on this thread would have been snapped after Officer Haygood's 5 minute window had Expired.
This is apparently your opinion. Trask’s information based on documentation in “Pictures of the Pain” indicate that your opinion is clearly wrong. Here are Trask’s chapter notes (references) at the end of his chapter on Murray and his photos.
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I don’t know about anyone else, but I prefer to believe Trask has it right. James Hackerott’s work with the shadow-clock also supports Trask’s information.
The above "Chapter Notes" says Nothing about Murray taking photos back inside the train yard within 5 Minutes following the Kill Shot. (Officer Haygood's 5 minute window). I guess you do Not have ready access to Trask's "Pictures Of The Pain" and the relevant portions that pertain to Murray. I do have the book and it does contribute to my confidence regarding my groundbreaking discovery that the "No Glove Cop" as filmed by Darnell/Martin is Not Officer Haygood.
I can/will help you. "Pictures Of The Pain" page 491- "Murray noted that the parking spaces on the main streets were off-limits due to the motorcade route. He found a space by the rear loading dock of the TSBD, parking probably illegally......." Page 493 - "Murray estimates that it took him about 3 MINUTES after hearing the 3 reports to get to his car and and prepare his cameras". Page 493- "With the 2 cameras around his neck, he quickly moved to the Elm and Houston street corner near the Book Depository front entrance. "In 3 of Murray's first 4 pictures, his camera jammed...." "The frames were completely over-exposed". " Murray's next frame shows another blank, and it was at this point that he switched lenses to a 35mm wide angle lens".... "I sort of worked my way off that corner, down toward the site of the grassy knoll..........." Page 494 - "Moving westerly along the DIRT Elm Street Extension road into the railroad parking area, Murray squeezed off 2 pictures..............". To recap, Murray consumed 3 minutes just getting to his car and retrieving his cameras from the trunk. From his car parked behind the loading dock, he then went to Elm St and consumed time taking 4 photos. After doing all of this, he then traveled down the DIRT section of the Elm St Ext and took pics in the train yard. Murray took 3 minutes alone to just get to his car and get his cameras out of the trunk. At this point, he only has 2 minutes remaining on Officer Haygood's 5 Minute Window. The Murray Tick/Tock detailed inside "Pictures Of The Pain" reveals his train yard photos to have been snapped More than 5 minutes following the Kill Shot. My discovery that the "No Glove Cop" as filmed by Darnell/Martin is Not Officer Haygood stands!
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The above "Chapter Notes" says Nothing about Murray taking photos back inside the train yard within 5 Minutes following the Kill Shot. (Officer Haygood's 5 minute window). I guess you do Not have ready access to Trask's "Pictures Of The Pain" and the relevant portions that pertain to Murray. I do have the book and it does contribute to my confidence regarding my groundbreaking discovery that the "No Glove Cop as filmed by Darnell/Martin is Not Officer Haygood.
I can/will help you. "Pictures Of The Pain" page 491- "Murray noted that the parking spaces on the main streets were off-limits due to the motorcade route. He found a space by the rear loading dock of the TSBD, parking probably illegally......." Page 493 - "Murray estimates that it took him about 3 MINUTES after hearing the 3 reports to get to his car and and prepare his cameras". Page 493- "With the 2 cameras around his neck, he quickly moved to the Elm and Houston street corner near the Book Depository front entrance. "In 3 of Murray's first 4 pictures, his camera jammed...." "The frames were completely over-exposed". " Murray's next frame shows another blank, and it was at this point that he switched lenses to a 35mm wide angle lens".... "I sort of worked my way off that corner, down toward the site of the grassy knoll..........." Page 494 - "Moving westerly along the DIRT Elm Street Extension road into the railroad parking area, Murray squeezed off 2 pictures..............". To recap, Murray consumed 3 minutes just getting to his car and retrieving his cameras from the trunk. From his car parked behind the loading dock, he then went to Elm St and consumed time taking 4 photos. After doing all of this, he then traveled down the DIRT section of the Elm St Ext and took pics in the train yard. Murray took 3 minutes alone to just get to his car and get his cameras out of the trunk. At this point, he only has 2 minutes remaining on Officer Haygood's 5 Minute Window. The Murray Tick/Tock detailed inside "Pictures Of The Pain" reveals his train yard photos to have been snapped More than 5 minutes following the Kill Shot. My discovery that the "No Glove Cop" as filmed by Darnell/Martin is Not Officer Haygood stands!
…I guess you do Not have ready access to Trask's "Pictures Of The Pain" and the relevant portions that pertain to Murray. I do have the book…
I have the book “Pictures of the Pain.” That is how I was able to take a photo of the Chapter notes and post it in this thread.
The Murray Tick/Tock detailed inside "Pictures Of The Pain" reveals his train yard photos to have been snapped More than 5 minutes following the Kill Shot.
Actually the photos conclusively show that you are wrong. The chapter notes and the detailed description of Murray’s actions clearly show that Trask had numerous communications directly with Murray, that Trask had access to original rolls of film (in which the photos are numbered sequentially) and similarly numbered contact sheets, and that the Murray photos in Trask’s book are in chronological order (the order in which they were taken). Take a look at the third photo with a caption below it that says: “Witnesses Amos Euins and Hugh Betzner are among those wandering around the parking lot area.” In that photo Amos Euins is clearly not being escorted by Harkness. Harkness’ radio message concerning his taking Euins to the front entrance area of the TSBD and depositing him in Sawyer’s car was around 12:36 (if I remember correctly). Therefore the Murray photo had to have been taken well before 12:36 (or else Euins wouldn’t be wandering around unescorted). Now, take a look at the Murray photo which was taken before the one with Euins in it. It is on the same page just above the one with Euins. There is a caption below it that says: “As one cop loos over the area from the top of a railroad car, other people walk among the parked cars.” This is the photo that clearly shows a cop (who is believed to be Haywood) with a white helmet walking near the tree on the left side of the photo. This photo was taken before the one with Euins in it, therefore it also would have to have been well before 12:36. Murray then made another photo looking east back up the Elm Street Extension. After the three photos taken in the parking/railroad yard area, Murray moved southwestward and took another photo of the crowd around Haywood’s motorcycle with Haywood’s helmet clearly showing. James Hackerott expertly timed this photo via the “shadow clock” as being taken at about 12:36. On top of all of Trask’s documentation of Murray’s actions, there is a close-up profile photo of Haywood in the railroad yard that was taken by Jay Skaggs (which I posted earlier in this thread). The Sixth Floor Museum (which has the Skaggs originals in it’s collection) identified this to be Haywood. Therefore, contrary to your opinion and totally unsupported theory of his route, Haywood DID go into the railroad yard.
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…I guess you do Not have ready access to Trask's "Pictures Of The Pain" and the relevant portions that pertain to Murray. I do have the book…
I have the book “Pictures of the Pain.” That is how I was able to take a photo of the Chapter notes and post it in this thread.
The Murray Tick/Tock detailed inside "Pictures Of The Pain" reveals his train yard photos to have been snapped More than 5 minutes following the Kill Shot.
Actually the photos conclusively show that you are wrong. The chapter notes and the detailed description of Murray’s actions clearly show that Trask had numerous communications directly with Murray, that Trask had access to original rolls of film (in which the photos are numbered sequentially) and similarly numbered contact sheets, and that the Murray photos in Trask’s book are in chronological order (the order in which they were taken). Take a look at the third photo with a caption below it that says: “Witnesses Amos Euins and Hugh Betzner are among those wandering around the parking lot area.” In that photo Amos Euins is clearly not being escorted by Harkness. Harkness’ radio message concerning his taking Euins to the front entrance area of the TSBD and depositing him in Sawyer’s car was around 12:36 (if I remember correctly). Therefore the Murray photo had to have been taken well before 12:36 (or else Euins wouldn’t be wandering around unescorted). Now, take a look at the Murray photo which was taken before the one with Euins in it. It is on the same page just above the one with Euins. There is a caption below it that says: “As one cop loos over the area from the top of a railroad car, other people walk among the parked cars.” This is the photo that clearly shows a cop (who is believed to be Haywood) with a white helmet walking near the tree on the left side of the photo. This photo was taken before the one with Euins in it, therefore it also would have to have been well before 12:36. Murray then made another photo looking east back up the Elm Street Extension. After the three photos taken in the parking/railroad yard area, Murray moved southwestward and took another photo of the crowd around Haywood’s motorcycle with Haywood’s helmet clearly showing. James Hackerott expertly timed this photo via the “shadow clock” as being taken at about 12:36. On top of all of Trask’s documentation of Murray’s actions, there is a close-up profile photo of Haywood in the railroad yard that was taken by Jay Skaggs (which I posted earlier in this thread). The Sixth Floor Museum (which has the Skaggs originals in it’s collection) identified this to be Haywood. Therefore, contrary to your opinion and totally unsupported theory of his route, Haywood DID go into the railroad yard.
Please post your "Evidence" regarding the time stamp you are placing on the Murray Photo. I posted Evidence that Murray took 3 pics on Elm St PRIOR to going back into the railroad yard. As I detailed, those photos did not develop due to a lens issue. Therefore, just because a Murray photo is posted as being "3rd", does NOT MEAN it was the 3rd photo that Murray took that day. The overall Tick/Tock does apply to the 3 Murray Photos that did Not develop. And remember, Murray took 3 minutes alone to just get to his car and retrieve his 2 cameras.
I never claimed that Officer Haygood Never went into the rail road yard. My claim is Haygood is Not the "No Glove Cop" as filmed by Darnell/Martin. If you look at Haygood's WC Testimony, he says at some point AFTER making his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle, he THEN went to the back loading dock of the TSBD. Haygood could have been filmed/photographed in this general area at some point AFTER 12:37.
Again, please post your evidence regarding the time lines you are attaching to alleged Officer Haygood photographs or film images. You may not realize it, but your "evidence" may further support my Discovery that the "No Glove Cop" is NOT Officer Haygood.
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Please post your "Evidence" regarding the time stamp you are placing on the Murray Photo. I posted Evidence that Murray took 3 pics on Elm St PRIOR to going back into the railroad yard. As I detailed, those photos did not develop due to a lens issue. Therefore, just because a Murray photo is posted as being "3rd", does NOT MEAN it was the 3rd photo that Murray took that day. The overall Tick/Tock does apply to the 3 Murray Photos that did Not develop. And remember, Murray took 3 minutes alone to just get to his car and retrieve his 2 cameras.
I never claimed that Officer Haygood Never went into the rail road yard. My claim is Haygood is Not the "No Glove Cop" as filmed by Darnell/Martin. If you look at Haygood's WC Testimony, he says at some point AFTER making his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle, he THEN went to the back loading dock of the TSBD. Haygood could have been filmed/photographed in this general area at some point AFTER 12:37.
Again, please post your evidence regarding the time lines you are attaching to alleged Officer Haygood photographs or film images. You may not realize it, but your "evidence" may further support my Discovery that the "No Glove Cop" is NOT Officer Haygood.
Please post your "Evidence" regarding the time stamp you are placing on the Murray Photo.
It is simple. Harkness radioed in that he had Amos Euins with him at approximately 12:36. Here is Harkness’ testimony to support this:
Mr. HARKNESS - This area.
Mr. BELIN - You are pointing to a place between what would be the extension of Elm that doesn't go down into the parkway but the actual extension of Elm?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes; to the plaza area.
Mr. BELIN - The plaza area?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What did you find there?
Mr. HARKNESS - I found a little colored boy, Amos Euins, who told me he saw the shots come from that building.
Mr. BELIN - Now you just picked out a little small book, one of those little pocket notebooks?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Or a notepad from your pocket here. Is that the original notation that you made?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - When did you make that notation?
Mr. HARKNESS - Immediately after the shooting.
Mr. BELIN - Is that your own record that you have kept in your possession since then?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir. I turned.
Mr. BELIN - You turned what?
Mr. HARKNESS - After I took his name and address and put this information on the radio, I then took him on the back of my three-wheel motorcycle and put him in Inspector Sawyer's car.
Mr. BELIN - Now you mentioned that you put something on the radio here, and I hand you here what has been marked as Sawyer Deposition Exhibit A. Before doing that, do you remember what call number you used, you were using on that day?
Mr. HARKNESS - I believe 260.
Mr. BELIN - Well, I notice here that there is a call with a notation at 12:36 p.m., 260 to 531. 531 is your office in the main station?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What does it say there on that transcript?
Mr. HARKNESS - "Witness says shots came from fifth floor, Texas Book Depository store at Houston and Elm. I have him with me now and we are sealing off the building."
Mr. BELIN - All right, that was at 12:36 p.m.?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
The third Murray photo in Trask’s book “Pictures of the Pain” (not Murray’s third attempt to make a photo, some attempts were completely over exposed) clearly shows Amos Euins wandering in the parking/railroad yard area unescorted by Harkness. Therefore this photo was taken well before Harkness found Euins, listened to his story, and got to his motorcycle and radioed his message in at approximately 12:36. Do you understand this logic?
The second Murray photo in Trask’s book was taken before the photo with Euins in it. Therefore this photo was also taken well before approximately 12:36. This photo shows a cop (who is believed to be Haygood) with a white helmet walking near the tree on the left side of the photo. Do you understand this logic?
Murray took one additional photo (the fourth Murray photo in Trask’s book) looking east up the Elm Street extension before he headed southwest to the grassy knoll and took another photo (the fifth Murray photo in Trask’s book) of the crowd including the people around Haygood’s motorcycle. Haygood’s helmet can be seen in this photo. James Hackerott verified via the shadow clock that this photo (the fifth Murray photo in Trask’s book) was taken at approximately 12:36. James’ work supports the above logical inferences that the first four Murray photos in Trask’s book were taken before 12:36. In other words: If the fifth photo in Trask’s book was taken at approximately 12:36 the previous four photos were taken before 12:36. Do you understand this logic?
Now, if you understand and apply the three logical inferences above. The Harkness testimony regarding the timing and the meaning of his radio message (confirms that it is regarding Amos Euins) and the actual radio tape recordings are the evidence that places the time stamp on Murray’s photos.
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Please post your "Evidence" regarding the time stamp you are placing on the Murray Photo.
It is simple. Harkness radioed in that he had Amos Euins with him at approximately 12:36. Here is Harkness’ testimony to support this:
Mr. HARKNESS - This area.
Mr. BELIN - You are pointing to a place between what would be the extension of Elm that doesn't go down into the parkway but the actual extension of Elm?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes; to the plaza area.
Mr. BELIN - The plaza area?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What did you find there?
Mr. HARKNESS - I found a little colored boy, Amos Euins, who told me he saw the shots come from that building.
Mr. BELIN - Now you just picked out a little small book, one of those little pocket notebooks?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Or a notepad from your pocket here. Is that the original notation that you made?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - When did you make that notation?
Mr. HARKNESS - Immediately after the shooting.
Mr. BELIN - Is that your own record that you have kept in your possession since then?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir. I turned.
Mr. BELIN - You turned what?
Mr. HARKNESS - After I took his name and address and put this information on the radio, I then took him on the back of my three-wheel motorcycle and put him in Inspector Sawyer's car.
Mr. BELIN - Now you mentioned that you put something on the radio here, and I hand you here what has been marked as Sawyer Deposition Exhibit A. Before doing that, do you remember what call number you used, you were using on that day?
Mr. HARKNESS - I believe 260.
Mr. BELIN - Well, I notice here that there is a call with a notation at 12:36 p.m., 260 to 531. 531 is your office in the main station?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What does it say there on that transcript?
Mr. HARKNESS - "Witness says shots came from fifth floor, Texas Book Depository store at Houston and Elm. I have him with me now and we are sealing off the building."
Mr. BELIN - All right, that was at 12:36 p.m.?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
The third Murray photo in Trask’s book “Pictures of the Pain” (not Murray’s third attempt to make a photo, some attempts were completely over exposed) clearly shows Amos Euins wandering in the parking/railroad yard area unescorted by Harkness. Therefore this photo was taken well before Harkness found Euins, listened to his story, and got to his motorcycle and radioed his message in at approximately 12:36. Do you understand this logic?
The second Murray photo in Trask’s book was taken before the photo with Euins in it. Therefore this photo was also taken well before approximately 12:36. This photo shows a cop (who is believed to be Haygood) with a white helmet walking near the tree on the left side of the photo. Do you understand this logic?
Murray took one additional photo (the fourth Murray photo in Trask’s book) looking east up the Elm Street extension before he headed southwest to the grassy knoll and took another photo (the fifth Murray photo in Trask’s book) of the crowd including the people around Haygood’s motorcycle. Haygood’s helmet can be seen in this photo. James Hackerott verified via the shadow clock that this photo (the fifth Murray photo in Trask’s book) was taken at approximately 12:36. James’ work supports the above logical inferences that the first four Murray photos in Trask’s book were taken before 12:36. In other words: If the fifth photo in Trask’s book was taken at approximately 12:36 the previous four photos were taken before 12:36. Do you understand this logic?
Now, if you understand and apply the three logical inferences above. The Harkness testimony regarding the timing and the meaning of his radio message (confirms that it is regarding Amos Euins) and the actual radio tape recordings are the evidence that places the time stamp on Murray’s photos.
Thanks, but I am interested in FACTS. "Logical inferences"? "BELIEVED to be Haygood" and "Well Before" are Not facts. Same goes for the "Approximate" timeline resulting from the "shadow" work.
The 12:36 Harkness radio transmission is a Fact, but of course, this would be After the 12:35 radio transmission of Officer Haygood. This is my opinion, but that Murray photo'd White Helmeted cop is the "No Glove Cop". Haygood was Mis-ID'd walking across the train yard, and you are now compounding that Error with your echoing the erroneous Haygood ID on the Murray Photo. Remember, Murray said it took him 3 minutes alone to just get to his car and retrieve his cameras. Murray now has Only 2 Minutes to get back to Elm St and shoot 4 pics there BEFORE heading down the Elm Ext and taking the Euins photo. And during this same 2 Minute time period, Murray is slowly coming to the realization that shots were fired/ JFK has been shot. Up to this point, Murray thought the pops he heard were fire crackers. Murray is in No Hurry as he walks back from his car and eventually begins taking the 4 photos on Elm St. With Officer Haygood having made No Mention of walking across the train yard and then down the Elm Ext, his being ID'd as this cop on the Darnell/Martin Films is either an Egregious Error or like the Warren Report itself, part of the effort to button up the JFK Assassination ASAP. Haygood's WC Testimony is a FACT. He makes No Mention of ever checking out a caboose, train cars, passenger train cars, or helping with crowd control back in the train yard. He also says Nothing about walking down the Elm Ext. Haygood says he spoke with what he "Presumed" was a rail road detective. We see part of this convo in the Cancellare Photo as Haygood stood atop the Triple Underpass. The Cancellare Photo is a FACT. Haygood making that 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle is a FACT. The WC Testimony of James Tague and his detailing that he saw Haygood BACK at his motorcycle at roughly 3:00 AFTER the Kill Shot further supports My Groundbreaking Discovery. Officer Haygood climbed onto the top of Triple Underpass, talked with a "presumed" railroad detective, saw nothing going on, and then went right back to his motorcycle. Tague cements this being the case. And remember, Officer Haygood has BOTH Gloves on in the Cancellare Photo as he stands atop the Triple Underpass. That "NO Glove Cop" in the Darnell/Martin Films is Not Haygood. My challenge stands!
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Thanks, but I am interested in FACTS. "Logical inferences"? "BELIEVED to be Haygood" and "Well Before" are Not facts. Same goes for the "Approximate" timeline resulting from the "shadow" work.
The 12:36 Harkness radio transmission is a Fact, but of course, this would be After the 12:35 radio transmission of Officer Haygood. This is my opinion, but that Murray photo'd White Helmeted cop is the "No Glove Cop". Haygood was Mis-ID'd walking across the train yard, and you are now compounding that Error with your echoing the erroneous Haygood ID on the Murray Photo. Remember, Murray said it took him 3 minutes alone to just get to his car and retrieve his cameras. Murray now has Only 2 Minutes to get back to Elm St and shoot 4 pics there BEFORE heading down the Elm Ext and taking the Euins photo. And during this same 2 Minute time period, Murray is slowly coming to the realization that shots were fired/ JFK has been shot. Up to this point, Murray thought the pops he heard were fire crackers. Murray is in No Hurry as he walks back from his car and eventually begins taking the 4 photos on Elm St. With Officer Haygood having made No Mention of walking across the train yard and then down the Elm Ext, his being ID'd as this cop on the Darnell/Martin Films is either an Egregious Error or like the Warren Report itself, part of the effort to button up the JFK Assassination ASAP. Haygood's WC Testimony is a FACT. He makes No Mention of ever checking out a caboose, train cars, passenger train cars, or helping with crowd control back in the train yard. He also says Nothing about walking down the Elm Ext. Haygood says he spoke with what he "Presumed" was a rail road detective. We see part of this convo in the Cancellare Photo as Haygood stood atop the Triple Underpass. The Cancellare Photo is a FACT. Haygood making that 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle is a FACT. The WC Testimony of James Tague and his detailing that he saw Haygood BACK at his motorcycle at roughly 3:00 AFTER the Kill Shot further supports My Groundbreaking Discovery. Officer Haygood climbed onto the top of Triple Underpass, talked with a "presumed" railroad detective, saw nothing going on, and then went right back to his motorcycle. Tague cements this being the case. And remember, Officer Haygood has BOTH Gloves on in the Cancellare Photo as he stands atop the Triple Underpass. That "NO Glove Cop" in the Darnell/Martin Films is Not Haygood. My challenge stands!
. "Logical inferences"?
Yes, absolutely, logical inferences are an essential part of the fact finding process. Here is a snip from a pattern jury instruction regarding this process:
In considering the evidence, you are permitted to draw such reasonable inferences from the testimony and exhibits as you feel are justied in the light of com- mon experience. In other words, you may make deduc- tions and reach conclusions that reason and common sense lead you to draw from the facts which have been established by the evidence.
(https://www.lb5.uscourts.gov/juryinstructions/fifth/crim2015.pdf)
Courts are interested in finding the truth in order to try to conduct fair trials. Are you interested in finding the truth? Or are you only interested in considering whatever “facts” you think promote your ideas?
If you think the logic or conclusions I presented are faulty, then present your argument against the logic or conclusions. Otherwise:
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. "Logical inferences"?
Yes, absolutely, logical inferences are an essential part of the fact finding process. Here is a snip from a pattern jury instruction regarding this process:
In considering the evidence, you are permitted to draw such reasonable inferences from the testimony and exhibits as you feel are justied in the light of com- mon experience. In other words, you may make deduc- tions and reach conclusions that reason and common sense lead you to draw from the facts which have been established by the evidence.
(https://www.lb5.uscourts.gov/juryinstructions/fifth/crim2015.pdf)
Courts are interested in finding the truth in order to try to conduct fair trials. Are you interested in finding the truth? Or are you only interested in considering whatever “facts” you think promote your ideas?
If you think the logic or conclusions I presented are faulty, then present your argument against the logic or conclusions. Otherwise:
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".....from the FACTS which has been established by the EVIDENCE". This is the Bar to which I hold myself and the foundation of the the Discovery I have established as Now being Fact. The FACT of DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood making a 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St curb has NEVER Previously been considered with regard to the timeline of the "No Glove Cop" captured on the Darnell/Martin Films. The FACT of there being Only a 5 Minute Window between the 12:30 Kill Shot and Officer Haygood's 12:35 radio transmission rules Haygood out as being the "No Glove Cop" captured on the Darnell/Martin Films. The WC Testimony of James Tague seeing Officer Haygood BACK at his motorcycle within 3 minutes following the Kill Shot, corroborates Officer Haygood NOT being the "No Glove Cop" filmed by Darnell/Martin back inside the train yard and then walking down the Elm St Ext. My Fact Based Challenge to this Forum stands!
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And while we are on the subject of Boner ID's, my Discovery/Challenge Stands!! That is Not Officer Haygood on the Darnell/Martin Films.
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I have Proven that the DPD Motorcycle Officer we see on the Darnell and Martin Films is NOT OFFICER HAYGOOD. My putting this Urban Legend to bed after 60+ yrs has resulted in suddenly silencing the entire LN Community that inundates this forum 24/7. My discovery in conjunction with the Knott Labs Laser 360 SCIENCE recently Proving that the SBT "IS IMPOSSIBLE", now provides the foundation for declaring that a Conspiracy was used to assassinate JFK. With respect to my having Proven that Officer Haygood is not the alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop on the Darnell and Martin films, I now ask the suddenly silent LN Community: (1) Specifically WHO is this alleged DPD Cop on the Darnell & Martin Films?, (2) Where is his Motorcycle?, and (3) Why is he wearing Only 1 Glove? (Officer Haygood clearly wore 2 gloves as he stood atop the Triple Underpass on the Cancellare Photo). I await answers to these questions from the "cat got their tongues" LN Community.
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Buddy Walther is also identified in the image/film in question. His testimony indicates he ran to the railroad yards and went over a fence then walked over to the area between Elm and Main streets to look for signs of bullets having been fired. There he encounters Tague. Here’s a snip from Tague’s testimony:
Mr. LIEBELER. Going on Elm Street under the triple underpass?
Mr. TAGUE. Right. Going on Elm. So I stood there looking around. I looked up---there was a motorcycle policeman, and he stopped and had drawn his gun and was running up the embankment toward the railroad tracks. A crowd of people; several people, were starting to come down into that area where he was running, and the people pointing, and excitement up there and so on, and about that time a patrolman who evidently had been stationed under the triple underpass walked up and said, "What happened?" and I said, "I don't know; something."
And we walked up to the---by this time the motorcycle policeman returned back close to where his motorcycle was, and we walked up there and there was a man standing there. Seeing that he was very excited--I don't remember his name at the time I did have it on the tip of my tongue very excited saying he was watching the President and it seemed like his head just exploded. This was a couple or 3 minutes after this happened. And the patrolman said, "Well, I saw something fly off back on the street."
We walked back down there, and another man joined us who identified himself as the deputy sheriff, who was in civilian clothes, and I guess this was 3 or 4 minutes after. I don't know how to gage time on something like that.
And I says, "Well, you know now, I recall something sting me on the face while I was standing down there."
And he looked up and he said, "Yes; you have blood there on your cheek."
And I reached up and there was a couple of drops of blood. And he said, "Where were you standing?"
And I says, "Right down here." We walked 15 feet away when this deputy sheriff said, "Look here on the curb." There was a mark quite obviously that was a bullet, and it was very fresh.
We turned around and we looked back up to see where this possibly could have come from, and the policeman thought he had seen something over here.
Tague’s testimony suggests that he saw Haygood draw his gun and run up the knoll toward the railroad tracks then return to his motorcycle a few minutes later. Also, Walthers appears in the same vicinity as Tague at about the same time that Haygood returns to his motorcycle. The Darnell film appears to show Walthers, the one gloved motorcycle officer in question, and Harkness in the same area in the railroad yard/Elm Street Extension vicinity.
Based on the above sequence, it appears that my assumption that the image was taken after Harkness had already deposited Euins in front of the TSBD was wrong. Based on Walthers’ and Tague’s accounts, it now appears to me that the Darnell film clip was taken earlier than I first thought. If Walthers can run from the Sheriff’s office area to the railroad yards, look around quickly, then walk back to Tague’s location all within about 5 or 6 minutes or so. And, similarly, Harkness can go where he did and get back to the railroad yards in time to be in the Darnell clip, then I see no reason to believe that Haygood couldn’t make it back to his motorcycle from the railroad yard in time to make the radio call.
Where are the FACTS that lead you to claim that, 'Walthers appears in the same vicinity as Tague at about the same time that Haygood returns to his motorcycle"? I know of a photo showing Walthers over by that manhole cover at 12:39. What FACT(s) do you have to get him down on Elm St by Haygood's 12:35 radio transmission?
It is a FACT that Tague gave WC Testimony that he saw Officer Haygood BACK at his motorcycle within 2-3 Minutes. It is a FACT that Officer Haygood was wearing GLOVES on Both hands in the Cancellare Photo showing him standing atop the Triple Underpass. The alleged motorcycle cop WALKING in front of the passenger train cars and then toward/down the Elm St Ext is NOT wearing a glove on his (R) Hand. Officer Haygood during his WC Testimony did NOT mention EVER walking alongside passenger train cars, or walking behind Roger Craig or Buddy Walthers, or anything close to that. It is a FACT that to the contrary, Haygood said "WELL,THERE WAS NOTHING" with regard to what was inside the train yard. These are HARD FACTS which support my Groundbreaking Discovery. Haygood had already consumed 2:00 when he came down from standing atop the Triple Underpass and landed inside the railroad yard. This leaves him ONLY 3:00 MINUTES remaining on his 5:00 window. He still would need to travel down to that line of passenger train cars, WALK along them as we see him doing on the Darnell/Martin Films, then WALK toward/down the Elm St Ext, and even then he still needs to get to his motorcycle. Even at that point, he would Still need to interview the witnesses that prompted him to make his 12:35 radio transmission. That "No Glove Cop" is Not Officer Haygood. This "No Glove Cop" needs to be ID'd. Short of an official ID, he is an imposture and we have a Conspiracy that has been hiding in plain sight for 60+ years.
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For starters, between points #1 & #2, you have Officer Haygood running straight through the Ft Worth sign.
:D :D :D
You funny.
The No Glove Cop does Not WALK toward the Pergola. Take the time and closely examine the Darnell/Martin Films. Through my research, I have untangled Officer Haygood's entire journey and how he was able to back at his motorcycle make his 12:35 radio transmission.
Point#4 is where Haygood is filmed in Darnell walking towards the TSBD building. You don't have a clue what he does after this point.
If Haygood is to get back to his bike in time to make his radio call then this is an approximation of the route he took. We know after he is filmed in Darnell, Haygood is back at his bike making his 12:35pm radio call.
And you've untangled Haygood's entire journey??
I've yet to hear this.
Please explain his full journey from the time he gets off his bike to the time he makes his radio call, and the evidence this timeline is based on?
As I understand it you have Haygood at the Triple Underpass for at least 4 minutes (12:34pm). How does he get round the railroad yard and back to his bike for his 12:35pm radio call
Please read the WC Testimony of Officer Haygood. He tells us EVERYTHING he did. He ran up the Grassy Knoll with his gun drawn because he saw a couple of people running back in that direction. When Haygood got to the top of the Grassy Knoll/Triple Underpass and could see into the railroad yard, (Cabluck Photo), his testimony is, "Well, there was nothing". He then climbs atop the Triple Underpass, (Canncellare Photo), and jumps down into the railroad yard. He then encounters what he "presumed" to be a railroad detective, and then, "I went back to my motorcycle, which was sitting on Elm St". He makes No Mention of WALKING across the train yard behind the Pergola or WALKING Toward/Down the Elm St Extension. On the Darnell and Martin Films, we do Not see that alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop encounter the "presumed" railroad detective that Officer Haygood mentioned in his WC Testimony. I believe after climbing over the Triple Underpass and then encountering the "presumed" railroad detective right there in the train yard, Haygood did exactly what he said he did, "I went back to my motorcycle, which was sitting on Elm St". Officer Haygood went back over the top of the Triple Underpass and moved down the Grassy Knoll to his motorcycle there at the Elm St curb. The Officer Haygood timeline of returning to his motorcycle is verified by the Warren Commission testimony of James Tague when he said, "This was a couple or 3 minutes after this happened". Then Haygood began interviewing eyewitnesses which mandated his making his documented 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle. The Haygood ID of being that DPD motorcycle cop on the Darnell and Martin Films is flat-out wrong. The Haygood and Tague WC testimonies proves this, both cops being dressed differently proves this, and the 5 Minute Window between the 12:30 Kill Shot and Haygood's 12:35 radio transmission proves this too. I have proven from many different directions that the Officer Haygood ID on the Darnell & Martin films is wrong. "No Brag, Just FACT"!
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
I am bumping this thread in advance of my revealing New Evidence/Film Images further proving this "One Glove Cop" is NOT Officer Haygood. With Officer Haygood having made a documented 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the (N) Elm St. Curb, close to the Triple Underpass, this new evidence addresses this 12:35 Tick/Tock Issue. These newly found film images DQ this impostor/"One Glove Cop" as being Haygood, and proves that a conspiracy was employed to assassinate JFK.
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Royell should have bumped post #47 in this thread, where he declared himself the winner and took a “VICTORY LAP!” :D Perhaps we are staying tuned for a second victory lap.
I have no idea what this is all about, despite having skimmed this thread, but that never stops me …
FWIW, old Clyde A. Haygood spent time in Homicide, went into the dairy business and lived until 2015: https://www.westoaksfuneralhome.com/obituary/Clyde-Haygood.
This photo from the Sixth Floor Museum purports to be Clyde and is a good match for his obituary photo, so I’m guessing it’s him: https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/image-of-police-officer-and-railyard-after-the-assassination/. Indeed, here’s the same photo autographed by Clyde for a mere $87.50, so I guess that settles it: https://www.ebay.com/itm/304819076596.
Here’s another one of Clyde that certainly looks to me like Royell’s imposter, the nefarious One Glove Cop:
(https://jfkassassinationfiles.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/martin-7.jpg?w=768).
If you’re really into “Clyde stuff,” you could buy an autographed photo on eBay for a mere $99.99: https://www.ebay.com/itm/361150796904. Indeed, entrepreneurial Clyde signed several different photos: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/clyde-haygood-dallas-police-motor-1889453656. Just his bare autograph would set you back $64.99: https://www.ebay.com/itm/286669893693.
As you can tell, I'm exceedingly bored today.
I suppose I just lack the conspiracy gene, but doesn’t it seem a bit unlikely that the conspirators would use a motorcycle patrolman imposter who was a dead-ringer for Haygood and have him doing the stuff Haygood said he did? What if Haygood had encountered this doppelganger? What then, huh?
Can't someone - Bart Kamp, maybe? - do the facial recognition thing on the Darnell and Martin films and confirm once and for all whether it's Haygood, Lovelady, Prayer Man or an imposter?
Nevertheless, if Royell can convincingly tie the One Glove Cop imposter into the Huge Gates, the Getaway Car, and the Two Conspirators Who Look Like Shelley and Lovelady, and if Jake Maxwell is fully on board, then, hey, I’m sold.
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Officer Haygood was supposed to be the only motorcycle cop back inside the rail road yard during this time period. This guy ain't him. If you're bored, occupy your time by doing some JFK Assassination research. There's still plenty to uncover out there. You just never know when one thing is gonna lead to another. The Huge Gates led me to the discovery of the "getaway" car. I believe it is No coincidence that this "One Glove Cop" is converging on the Huge Gates & the "getaway" car. Whoever was firing from the sniper's nest, had to exit the TSBD without being noticed. Easy entrance too. So how is it that no one saw Oswald exiting the TSBD? The Huge Gates answer that question. The New image evidence clearly reveals this "One Glove Cop" is not Officer Haygood. I'll post it soon.
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Officer Haygood was supposed to be the only motorcycle cop back inside the rail road yard during this time period. This guy ain't him. If you're bored, occupy your time by doing some JFK Assassination research. There's still plenty to uncover out there. You just never know when one thing is gonna lead to another. The Huge Gates led me to the discovery of the "getaway" car. I believe it is No coincidence that this "One Glove Cop" is converging on the Huge Gates & the "getaway" car. Whoever was firing from the sniper's nest, had to exit the TSBD without being noticed. Easy entrance too. So how is it that no one saw Oswald exiting the TSBD? The Huge Gates answer that question. The New image evidence clearly reveals this "One Glove Cop" is not Officer Haygood. I'll post it soon.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Just curious:
Have you ever used the words "policeman" or "policemen" in your life?
Have you had an unpleasant experience or two with them?
Is that the problem?
-- Tom
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I have close relatives that are cops, both active and retired. They NEVER refer to themselves or those on their 6 as "Policemen". You show the signs of having been "influenced". Tis a pity.
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I have close relatives that are cops, both active and retired. They NEVER refer to themselves or those on their 6 as "Policemen". You show the signs of having been "influenced". Tis a pity.
How many incidents have you had?
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
If this is Officer Haygood, he has to be back at his motorcycle, down by the Triple Underpass, by 12:35 in order to make his Documented Radio Transmission. It is already past 12:35 when we see this "One Glove Cop" above. This "One Glove Cop" is proof of a Conspiracy.
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Just a last update of the route Haygood took through the railroad yard.
Below is a pic by Jim Murray taken shortly after the assassination. Circled on the left is Haygood stood under a tree. Circled on the right is Harkness.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vT8gCMbR/Murray-Haygood-Circled.png) (https://postimages.org/)
There is only one tree in the railroad yard itself. Below is the updated route of Haygood.
1] Haygood gets off his bike
2] Haygood in Cancellare on the underpass
3] Haygood in Darnell behind Craig
4] Haygood in Darnell walking towards TSBD
5] Haygood in Murray pic under the tree
(https://i.postimg.cc/FK81DcnL/Haygood-Route3.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Can Haygood make this route in 5 minutes?
Easily.
Photographic evidence has Haygood at point [2] about 1 min 40 seconds after shooting. This gives him three to four minutes to walk the route. There is absolutely no reason to believe he could not complete the route in this given time. It's easily done.
As you can see above, this is a rough estimate as to the extended route that the alleged Officer Haygood would need to take after parking his motorcycle near the Triple Underpass. The 5 minute clock for Officer Haygood started all the way back on Main St as Haygood was turning his motorcycle onto Houston St. Tick/Tock/Tick/Tock. The "One Glove Cop" is NOT Officer Haygood. ............... NEW Visual Evidence Coming Soon! .........................
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This is all just based on timing? You caused me to spend $548.97 on "Clyde stuff" and this is all just about ... timing?
We will await your NEW Visual Evidence with eager anticipation - but, as a former competitive runner and enthuistic walker who has a pretty good grasp of 5 minutes, that route doesn't look too difficult to me. To say anything definitive, you would have to know the EXACT time, EXACTLY how Haygood walked/jogged/ran, and the EXACT route Haygood took. You would also have to have a compelling explanation for your Haygood doppelganger; was there some compelling reason he had to be in full motorcycle cop regalia?
As always, going back to my interactions with Cliff Varnell ("The holes in the shirt and jacket prove the SBT is impossible!!!"), I suspect we are going to end up with you declaring something "Impossible!!!" that is "Impossible!!!" due only to assumptions, inferences and speculation on your part. Assumptions, inferences and speculation are not the stuff of which "Impossibilities!!!" are made.
Anyone want to buy some "Clyde stuff" at a steep discount? Photos, autographs, a signed obituary? My wife warned me I was jumping the gun when I tried to corner the market on the basis of thinking Royell was about to blow the LN narrative out of the water.
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This is all just based on timing? You caused me to spend $548.97 on "Clyde stuff" and this is all just about ... timing?
We will await your NEW Visual Evidence with eager anticipation - but, as a former competitive runner and enthuistic walker who has a pretty good grasp of 5 minutes, that route doesn't look too difficult to me. To say anything definitive, you would have to know the EXACT time, EXACTLY how Haygood walked/jogged/ran, and the EXACT route Haygood took. You would also have to have a compelling explanation for your Haygood doppelganger; was there some compelling reason he had to be in full motorcycle cop regalia?
As always, going back to my interactions with Cliff Varnell ("The holes in the shirt and jacket prove the SBT is impossible!!!"), I suspect we are going to end up with you declaring something "Impossible!!!" that is "Impossible!!!" due only to assumptions, inferences and speculation on your part. Assumptions, inferences and speculation are not the stuff of which "Impossibilities!!!" are made.
Anyone want to buy some "Clyde stuff" at a steep discount? Photos, autographs, a signed obituary? My wife warned me I was jumping the gun when I tried to corner the market on the basis of thinking Royell was about to blow the LN narrative out of the water.
This "One Glove Cop" aka Officer Haygood, is on the Darnell/Martin films as he WALKS in front of the entire string of passenger train cars. He is also filmed WALKING toward/down the Elm St Ext.
The Cancellare Photo shows Officer Haygood standing atop the Triple Underpass before he entered the Rail Road Yard. This photo shows Officer Haygood wearing BOTH GLOVES. The Darnell/Martin Films show the alleged Officer Haygood now wearing only 1 glove as he WALKS in front of the entire string of passenger train cars and then WALKS toward/down the Elm St Ext.
As is obvious above, the Tick/Tock Issue is not the only evidence Proving this "One Glove Cop" is Not Officer Haygood.
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Just thinking outside the box here, as I am wont to do, is it possible: (1) Clyde (I now feel we're on a first-name basis) put the Other Glove back on at some point, or (2) actually never had One Glove off?
I'm not following what One Glove Cop is supposed to be doing that adds to the conspiracy, other than he's not Clyde. Well, anyway, I will await your further analysis.
This is the sort of thing that really can't be stretched over umpteen posts and pages. You need to put it all in a single, coherent post that sets forth your Best and Final One Glove Cop Theory.
Here are some leads: "[Clyde] is survived by his wife Evelyn and two children, Cynthia R. Haygood Coffey (Charles) and Ronald G. Haygood. Four grandchildren, Jennifer R. Coffey Fisher (Lynn), Kimberly G. Coffey (Will), Amanda N. Haygood Huff (Phillip), and Jacob A. Haygood (Shelby) all of Sulphur Springs, Texas, six great grandchildren and one sister, Billie Jean Good of Plano, Texas."
They might watch the Darnell and Martin films and say, "Hell, son, that's old Clyde, dang his hide," or something like that.
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Just thinking outside the box here, as I am wont to do, is it possible: (1) Clyde (I now feel we're on a first-name basis) put the Other Glove back on at some point, or (2) actually never had One Glove off?
I'm not following what One Glove Cop is supposed to be doing that adds to the conspiracy, other than he's not Clyde. Well, anyway, I will await your further analysis.
This is the sort of thing that really can't be stretched over umpteen posts and pages. You need to put it all in a single, coherent post that sets forth your Best and Final One Glove Cop Theory.
Here are some leads: "[Clyde] is survived by his wife Evelyn and two children, Cynthia R. Haygood Coffey (Charles) and Ronald G. Haygood. Four grandchildren, Jennifer R. Coffey Fisher (Lynn), Kimberly G. Coffey (Will), Amanda N. Haygood Huff (Phillip), and Jacob A. Haygood (Shelby) all of Sulphur Springs, Texas, six great grandchildren and one sister, Billie Jean Good of Plano, Texas."
They might watch the Darnell and Martin films and say, "Hell, son, that's old Clyde, dang his hide," or something like that.
To be honest, at this point I do not believe I have to, "set forth my best final "One Glove Cop" theory". I have already proven this is Not Officer Haygood. This is why I put forth my blanket "Prove Me Wrong" Challenge a while back. To date, NOBODY has come close to proving me wrong on the 62+ year long Erroneous Officer Haygood ID. They can't. If the LN's could, they would have torn me apart when I 1st posted my findings and made my declaration.
I have provided Image Evidence, WC Testimony, (both Tague and Haygood himself), along with the Tick/Tock Issue. Have you ever heard anyone cite the 12:35 Haygood Police Radio Transmission? Nope. I am the only guy around here that combines both the Sworn Testimony of key players with the image evidence. Looking at Image Evidence is fast and cool to do. Pouring over sworn testimony is time consuming along with being hard on the eyes. And I have endured the headaches that come with that. I also have the satisfaction of having made several new discoveries over the last 2-3 yrs. And this is due to my being able to connect sworn testimony with image evidence. It takes time to establish this wide ranging foundation, but as you can see, it is fruitful. I have kept numerous journals over the last 10 yrs. I fill one up and move on to the next one. I recommend you and everyone else truly interested in the JFK Assassination does likewise. And when I say journal, I mean hand written notes/documentations that you always have right at your fingertips.
Remember that during this time span, the ONLY DPD Motocycle Cop inside the Rail Road Yard is Haygood. ONLY Officer Haygood back there. And even though you want to pooh-pooh the Tick/Tock Issue, it is extremely important. That 12:35 can Not be manipulated or interpreted any other way. It's locked in. And remember that Haygood Testified that after going back to his motorcycle, he conducted 1 or 2 eyewitness interviews. It was after these interview(s) that Haygood then made his documented 12:35 Police Radio Transmission from his motorcycle. So actually, Haygood had to be back at his motorcycle in UNDER 5 Minutes in order to conduct those eyewitness interview(s) and then make his radio transmission. And the Haygood 5 minute Tick/Tock begins when he is turning his motorcycle from Main St onto Houston St. That is a long way from his fighting to straighten/rack his motorcycle at the Elm St Curb, (Couch Film), and then running UP and across the Grassy Knoll. At this point, Haygood is Not even inside the Rail Road Yard. He is standing atop the Triple Underpass with BOTH GLOVES ON. (Cancellare Photo). Tick/Tock/Tick Tock. This "One Glove Cop" proves a Conspiracy without question.
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Then I would say, as I used to say to Sandy Larsen when he insisted he had proved some bombshell to a level of legal and/or medical certainty: Don't waste your time with me and the other 20 putzes who hang out here. Take your bombshell to some reputable, peer-reviewed professional journal and see if they bite. Or interest some halfway reputable researcher/author who might have an "in" with such a journal. As I have learned when I've wasted my time on a significant piece of work, these threads vanish into the mist in a matter of days. If you think you really have something, put it in a publishable format and see if it convinces someone more significant than three of the 20 local putzes.
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Then I would say, as I used to say to Sandy Larsen when he insisted he had proved some bombshell to a level of legal and/or medical certainty: Don't waste your time with me and the other 20 putzes who hang out here. Take your bombshell to some reputable, peer-reviewed professional journal and see if they bite. Or interest some halfway reputable researcher/author who might have an "in" with such a journal. As I have learned when I've wasted my time on a significant piece of work, these threads vanish into the mist in a matter of days. If you think you really have something, put it in a publishable format and see if it convinces someone more significant than three of the 20 local putzes.
You are unaware of those that only "look in" to this Forum and prefer to not participate. When he was still with us, Gary Mack chose going this route. There is much going on backstage that you are not aware of.
You think I'm unorthodox? I prefer to think of myself as Vinny Gambini and I am about to call Mona Lisa Vito to the stand via my NEW Image Evidence. Case Closed! (again).
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You are unaware of those that only "look in" to this Forum and prefer to not participate. When he was still with us, Gary Mack chose going this route. There is much going on backstage that you are not aware of.
You think I'm unorthodox? I prefer to think of myself as Vinny Gambini and I am about to call Mona Lisa Vito to the stand via my NEW Image Evidence. Case Closed! (again).
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OK, Cousin Vinny, but I think you're dreaming about the hordes of lurkers. You can see who's online, segregated by Members and Guests if you like. The very large majority of guests are clearly bots. If either this forum or the Ed Forum have 25 regular lurkers, I'd be astounded. Michael Capasse's forum, which is actually fairly decent in terms of layout and content, is moribund. I think it's a CT fantasy that there is some huge interest in the JFKA at the level of what's discussed on a forum such as this. It's just a hobby for a really miniscule few. If you or anyone else thinks he has a genuine LN-breaker, you need to convince someone with a little more historical clout than anyone here. Know how much mainstream academic/historical interest Newman's books have generated? None.
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OK, Cousin Vinny, but I think you're dreaming about the hordes of lurkers. You can see who's online, segregated by Members and Guests if you like. The very large majority of guests are clearly bots. If either this forum or the Ed Forum have 25 regular lurkers, I'd be astounded. Michael Capasse's forum, which is actually fairly decent in terms of layout and content, is moribund. I think it's a CT fantasy that there is some huge interest in the JFKA at the level of what's discussed on a forum such as this. It's just a hobby for a really miniscule few. If you or anyone else thinks he has a genuine LN-breaker, you need to convince someone with a little more historical clout than anyone here. Know how much mainstream academic/historical interest Newman's books have generated? None.
Yes, I agree that JFK Assassination activity is slow here and elsewhere. But here, you would have to monitor this Forum 24/7 to know with certainty who is ducking in and out. And these people know specifically who they are looking for. I have been contacted by 2 names you would easily recognize as to my "getaway" car discovery. And this was done via my personal email.
I have been waiting for 1+ year for the Sixth Floor Museum to post the last :20 of their NBC early generation Darnell Film copy. I was eagerly waiting to get a Hi Def look at this "No Glove Cop", but as time has passed I remind myself that they want ice water in hell too. I believe that once I post my NEW discovery and completely shred the Officer Haygood ID, NBC will go ahead, throw in the towel, and give the Sixth Floor Museum their OK to make that final :20 seconds of the Darnell Film public.
Always remember that Vegas was created by OG's and takes pride in its' slogan, "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas". That ain't the case here. Here, "The walls have ears".
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None other than ultra-cautious researcher Dr. Paul Hoch discovered that most of the transmissions relating to Officer Tippit on the DPD dictabelt recordings were faked, were added later.
They were added to account for Tippit's strange, suspicious presence in Oak Cliff after the assassination.
I mention this to highlight the fact that we cannot always rely on the DPD radio recordings and transcripts.
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None other than ultra-cautious researcher Dr. Paul Hoch discovered that most of the transmissions relating to Officer Tippit on the DPD dictabelt recordings were faked, were added later.
They were added to account for Tippit's strange, suspicious presence in Oak Cliff after the assassination.
I mention this to highlight the fact that we cannot always rely on the DPD radio recordings and transcripts.
The DPD Radio Transmissions I use were presented by the WC Attorneys. The Officers being Q/A'd then verified their having made these radio transmissions. The WC Attorneys did this in an effort to document how quickly DPD allegedly sealed off the TSBD. What these attorneys did was help me conclusively Prove the "No Glove Cop" we see on the Darnell/Martin Films is NOT Officer Haygood. And therefore a Conspiracy being used to assassinate JFK. This False ID = Conspiracy is a SLAM DUNK.
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The sense I have is that you think "proving" that One Glove Cop is not Haygood will equal proving a conspiracy. Would it? Proving that One Glove Cop (hereinafter OGC) was an imposter cop sent to Dealey Plaza in furtherance of a conspiracy - well, yes, I suppose that would do it. But as I've said with Cliff Varnell's claim that the alignment of the clothes, back wound and throat wound is absolutely dispositive for the existence of a conspiracy, you would need to prove these things to a level of absolute, unequivocal certainty. "I've made a good case that OGC isn't Haywood" won't do it.
Stepping back from your film analysis to the broader picture, I would wonder:
1. Where did OGC come from? Surely he wasn't riding a motorcycle in the motorcade?
2. Why was OGC dressed as a motorcycle cop? What did this add to the equation? Wouldn't it greatly increase the risk of his act being discovered?
3. Why would OGC remove one glove? Do any images of Haygood or other actual motorcycle cops show one or both gloves off?
4. Wouldn't it have been rather bold of OGC to walk right between Walthers and Harkness and other, genuine motorcycle cops?
5. Is it pure coincidence that OGC looks very similar to Haygood? Surely he wasn't actually impersonating Haygood - how would the conspirators have had any idea what the real Haygood would be doing?
6. What did OGC supposedly do that was in furtherance of the conspiracy? Why were his actions worth all the risks that a fake motorcycle cop would entail?
7. Where did OGC go when his mission was accomplished? Did he escape on a motorcycle? Did anyone report seeing a motorcycle cop leaving in a car?
8. Having read Haygood's WC testimony, what did he say that you think eliminates him as OGC? If it's a matter of timing, can you really narrow down that timing to a level of precision that makes it physically impossible for OGC to be Haygood?
9. Is it possible to eliminate the possibility that OGC was an actual motorcycle cop other than Haygood?
10. Is it possible that some other misleading mistake in the testimony or evidence is responsible for whatever it is that you think proves OGC is not Haygood? Does your theory hinge on all the testimony and evidence being exactly correct?
I'm not expecting you to answer these questions here, but I think you're going to need to put your OGC claim in at least a reasonably plausible, coherent context for it to carry any weight.
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The sense I have is that you think "proving" that One Glove Cop is not Haygood will equal proving a conspiracy. Would it? Proving that One Glove Cop (hereinafter OGC) was an imposter cop sent to Dealey Plaza in furtherance of a conspiracy - well, yes, I suppose that would do it. But as I've said with Cliff Varnell's claim that the alignment of the clothes, back wound and throat wound is absolutely dispositive for the existence of a conspiracy, you would need to prove these things to a level of absolute, unequivocal certainty. "I've made a good case that OGC isn't Haywood" won't do it.
Stepping back from your film analysis to the broader picture, I would wonder:
1. Where did OGC come from? Surely he wasn't riding a motorcycle in the motorcade?
2. Why was OGC dressed as a motorcycle cop? What did this add to the equation? Wouldn't it greatly increase the risk of his act being discovered?
3. Why would OGC remove one glove? Do any images of Haygood or other actual motorcycle cops show one or both gloves off?
4. Wouldn't it have been rather bold of OGC to walk right between Walthers and Harkness and other, genuine motorcycle cops?
5. Is it pure coincidence that OGC looks very similar to Haygood? Surely he wasn't actually impersonating Haygood - how would the conspirators have had any idea what the real Haygood would be doing?
6. What did OGC supposedly do that was in furtherance of the conspiracy? Why were his actions worth all the risks that a fake motorcycle cop would entail?
7. Where did OGC go when his mission was accomplished? Did he escape on a motorcycle? Did anyone report seeing a motorcycle cop leaving in a car?
8. Having read Haygood's WC testimony, what did he say that you think eliminates him as OGC? If it's a matter of timing, can you really narrow down that timing to a level of precision that makes it physically impossible for OGC to be Haygood?
9. Is it possible to eliminate the possibility that OGC was an actual motorcycle cop other than Haygood?
10. Is it possible that some other misleading mistake in the testimony or evidence is responsible for whatever it is that you think proves OGC is not Haygood? Does your theory hinge on all the testimony and evidence being exactly correct?
I'm not expecting you to answer these questions here, but I think you're going to need to put your OGC claim in at least a reasonably plausible, coherent context for it to carry any weight.
The Who is this impostor and the Why, is the subject matter of a discussion that will reverberate well beyond this Forum. It is already ongoing backstage. As for the right here and right now, I would prefer to continue driving a stake directly into the heart of the Erroneous Haygood ID.
As to there possibly being a mistake in: (1) Testimony, and/or, (2) Evidence, what's left after that? Image Evidence? I have that too. This Deny, Deny, Deny, defense in the face of a Mountain of Hard Evidence is reminiscent of the OJ Simpson Trial. This is where we are at regarding the ID of DPD Officer Haygood inside the train yard on the Darnell/Martin Films.
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The Who is this impostor and the Why, is the subject matter of a discussion that will reverberate well beyond this Forum. It is already ongoing backstage. As for the right here and right now, I would prefer to continue driving a stake directly into the heart of the Erroneous Haygood ID.
As to there possibly being a mistake in: (1) Testimony, and/or, (2) Evidence, what's left after that? Image Evidence? I have that too. This Deny, Deny, Deny, defense in the face of a Mountain of Hard Evidence is reminiscent of the OJ Simpson Trial. This is where we are at regarding the ID of DPD Officer Haygood inside the train yard on the Darnell/Martin Films.
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No one is denying, denying, denying. We, or at least I, are questioning, questioning, questioning. I don't think you will ever be able to "drive a stake" into the Erroneous Haygood ID without confronting some of the questions I raised.
My point regarding the testimony and evidence is that you would have to be certain that whatever testimony and evidence (including images) on which you rely is fully accurate. If the films conflict with what Haygood said he did, or others said he did, perhaps their recollections were simply faulty. Perhaps the sequence of what Haygood said he did is faulty, so the timing of the radio transmissions is less a problem than you seem to think.
I may well have a confirmation bias - not because I desperately want it to be Haygood on the films but because the notion of a "motorcycle cop imposter who looks an awful lot like Haygood" strikes me as exceedingly improbable in the context of any conspiracy I can imagine.
Since I joined here a year ago, you've been referring to major events going on "backstage" or "behind the scenes" and bombshell revelations that we should be awaiting. Perhaps it's about time to put some meat on these promises?
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No one is denying, denying, denying. We, or at least I, are questioning, questioning, questioning. I don't think you will ever be able to "drive a stake" into the Erroneous Haygood ID without confronting some of the questions I raised.
My point regarding the testimony and evidence is that you would have to be certain that whatever testimony and evidence (including images) on which you rely is fully accurate. If the films conflict with what Haygood said he did, or others said he did, perhaps their recollections were simply faulty. Perhaps the sequence of what Haygood said he did is faulty, so the timing of the radio transmissions is less a problem than you seem to think.
I may well have a confirmation bias - not because I desperately want it to be Haygood on the films but because the notion of a "motorcycle cop imposter who looks an awful lot like Haygood" strikes me as exceedingly improbable in the context of any conspiracy I can imagine.
Since I joined here a year ago, you've been referring to major events going on "backstage" or "behind the scenes" and bombshell revelations that we should be awaiting. Perhaps it's about time to put some meat on these promises?
Are you aware of anyone, at any point in time, noting that the "getaway" car was NOT on the Wiegman Film but 20 seconds later IS on the Couch/Darnell Films? We can debate what the purpose of that car parking in a "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone was, or why it then sat there for at least 3+ hours. But that car being in motion down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is NOT debateable. Have you EVER heard anyone reference Haygood's Documented 12:35 DPD Radio Transmission? How about anyone EVER pointing out the Cancellare Photo showing Officer Haygood atop the Triple Underpass wearing BOTH Gloves? I bring this up to highlight the piss-poor job the Old Guard JFK Assassination Research Community did. There is ton of new JFK Assassination Evidence yet to be made public.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
The Darnell Film still frame above does Not show DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood. It is impossible for Haygood and Harkness to be together BEFORE 12:35.
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12:35 - Motorcycle Officer Haygood makes Documented DPD Radio Transmission from his motorcycle parked at the (N) Elm Curb.
12:36 - DPD Officer Harkness makes Documented DPD Radio Transmission - "Witness says shots came from the 5th floor, Texas School Book Depository
store at Houston and Elm. I have him with me now, and we are sealing off the building".
NEW IMAGE EVIDENCE - You Tube, "The Full Darnell Film" By - The JFK Theorist (23:31 - 23:39)
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Officer Harkness gave WC Testimony that he heard shots fired, and then rode his 3 wheeled motorcycle down Main St. He looked around the Triple Underpass area. Finding nothing, he went to the front of the TSBD and then around to the, "fence across from Elm St". This is where Harkness heard the Amos Euins story. Harkness then made his 12:36 radio transmission posted above. (At this same point in time, Officer Haygood is already back at his motorcycle and has made his 12:35 DPD radio transmission).
The Martin Film shows Amos Euins on the back of Officer Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle racing down the Elm St Ext. No people are blocking the street.
National Geographic's "Manhunt: The Search For JFK's Killer" shows Euins seated in the back of Inspector Sawyer's car. No people are blocking the street.
NEW IMAGE EVIDENCE - "The Full Darnell Film" by - The JFK Theorist. (23:31 - 23:39) This YOU TUBE posting of the Darnell Film supplies yet another Lost Snippet from the Darnell Film. This snippet is Not on the JFK Forum's You Tube posting of the Darnell film. There is Not a single still frame from this snippet posted in the "JFK Assassination Photo Gallery" either. This is a Lost Snippet from the Darnell Film. This snippet is shot down the Elm St Ext toward the TSBD. It quickly pans (L) toward the Rail Road Yard. It then captures the still frame posted above. It shows this "No Glove Cop" walking toward/by Officer Harkness. This snippet shows the Elm St Ext to NOW be jammed with people. A throng of people now stretch all across and down the Elm St Ext. The Martin Film and the Nat Geo "Manhunt" piece show the Elm St Ext to be clear of people. You could fire a cannon ball down the Elm St Ext on these 2 films and Not hit anyone. This is because these 2 films showing the empty Elm St Ext were filmed Before the Darnell Film still frame above.
- OFFICER HARKNESS WC TESTIMONY -
Officer Harkness - "I had the witness with me. I didn't want to lose the witness".
Attorney Belin - "All right".
Officer Harkness - "So I took him to the car".
Attorney Belin - "To Inspector Sawyer's car?".
Officer Harkness - "To Inspector Sawyer's car which was right in front".
Attorney Belin - "Which was parked in front of the Texas School Book Depository?".
Officer Harkness - "And left the witness there and went around to the back".
The above Darnell still frame shows Officer Harkness AFTER he went "...around to the back" to seal off the building. After Officer Harkness had placed Euins inside Inspector Sawyer's car. This "Lost" Darnell Film snippet showing the jam packed Elm St Ext vs the Martin Film and the Nat Geo snippet showing the Elm St Ext to be empty of people, is indicative of how much time has passed between these images. There is no way the Darnell still frame above was shot prior to 12:35. 12:35 being when Officer Haygood made his DPD Radio Transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb, close to the Triple Underpass. That "No Glove Cop" in the still frame above is not Officer Haygood.
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The Darnell Film still frame above does Not show DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood.
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Isn't "still frame" kinda redundant?
-- Tom
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Isn't "still frame" kinda redundant?
-- Tom
How about addressing the facts I have presented? Based on the 12:35 Haygood call from his motorcycle, and the 12:36 call of Harkness as he races around with Amos Euins in tow, the Darnell still frame showing the "No Glove Cop" has to of been taken somewhere around 12:38 - 12:40. The documented times of those 2 police calls prove the "No Glove Cop" is not Officer Haygood. Haygood is supposed to be the only DPD Motorcycle cop in the RR Yard immediately following the Kill Shot. This 'No Glove Cop" proves a conspiracy.
Take notice how this "No Glove Cop" keeps that car between him and Officer Harkness on the Darnell film snippet. Just like the distance he maintained between himself and Officer Roger Craig and Officer Buddy Walthers as they all walked in front of that string of passenger train cars. This alleged cop kept his distance from law enforcement.
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Take notice how this "No Glove Cop" keeps that car between him and Officer Harkness on the Darnell film snippet. Just like the distance he maintained between himself and Officer Roger Craig and Officer Buddy Walthers as they all walked in front of that string of passenger train cars. This alleged cop kept his distance from law enforcement.
Maybe Officer Haygood was paranoiac, as you seem to be.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
The time stamp for the image above would be roughly 12:38.
After leaving the RR Yard and returning to his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb, Officer Haygood made a documented 12:35 Police Transmission. The time stamping makes it impossible for the pictured "No Glove Cop" to be Officer Haygood. This imposture walking across the RR Yard and then traveling toward/down the Elm St Ext proves a conspiracy.
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Royell, you have a propensity to keep telling us to "stay tuned" because monster revelations are coming from "backstage," but then you reply to a post from Dan O'Meara dated March 13, 2024. Get on with it, willya? Put up or shut up. These long threads become absolutely incomprehensible to anyone but you. Your next post absolutely must begin: "This is it, folks. No more 'stay tuned' promises. No more mysterious 'backstage' shenanigans. This is the Big Revelation."
I hope your latest response to Dan's 2024 post wasn't it, because "roughly" is not a term typically found in argument where one is claiming a physical event is "impossible."
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Lance,
Royell Storing will never cease with his incomprehensible and impossible claims about the entirety of the Dealey Plaza film and photo record having been altered. But it sure is a delight watching him flail around helplessly when confronted with, you know, actual evidence...
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Royell, you have a propensity to keep telling us to "stay tuned" because monster revelations are coming from "backstage," but then you reply to a post from Dan O'Meara dated March 13, 2024. Get on with it, willya? Put up or shut up. These long threads become absolutely incomprehensible to anyone but you. Your next post absolutely must begin: "This is it, folks. No more 'stay tuned' promises. No more mysterious 'backstage' shenanigans. This is the Big Revelation."
I hope your latest response to Dan's 2024 post wasn't it, because "roughly" is not a term typically found in argument where one is claiming a physical event is "impossible."
Officer Haygood made a 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle at the (N) Elm St curb. Officer Harkness made a 12:36 radio transmission that he was bringing eyewitness Amos Euins to the TSBD. Harkness arrived at the TSBD, and then placed Euins inside Inspector Sawyer's car. Harkness then went to secure the Back of the TSBD. (Harkness WC Testimony). This is where we see Harkness on the Darnell still frame. Obviously, the actions of Officer Harkness are happening AFTER Officer Haygood is already back at his motorcycle on Elm St. Harkness and Haygood are in 2 different locations inside Dealey Plaza during this time frame. These 2 Documented DPD radio transmissions prove we are not seeing Officer Haygood with Officer Harkness on the Darnell Film images. That "No Glove Cop" is not Officer Haygood.
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That "No Glove Cop" is not Officer Haygood.
Maybe it's "Harvey Oswald" masquerading as him? Or maybe it's the "short, dumpy" Marguerite Oswald impersonator, stuffed into a DPD uniform? Either of these are just as likely as Royell Storing's preposterous claims about altered Dealey Plaza films and photos.
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Maybe it's "Harvey Oswald" masquerading as him? Or maybe it's the "short, dumpy" Marguerite Oswald impersonator, stuffed into a DPD uniform? Either of these are just as likely as Royell Storing's preposterous claims about altered Dealey Plaza films and photos.
Please specifically address the Hard Evidence I have compiled. The documented DPD Radio Transmissions of Officer Haygood (12:35) and Officer Harkness (12:36) was verified by each of them during their WC Testimony. The rock solid evidence I have presented proves the "No Glove Cop" inside the Rail Road Yard is definitely not Officer Haygood. The Haygood timeline makes it physically impossible for the "No Glove Cop" to be Officer Haygood in the Darnell/Martin films. And remember, Haygood never said he did any of what we see the "No Glove Cop" doing on the Darnell/Martin Films. Haygood never said he assisted in crowd control back inside the railroad yard. He never said he walked toward/down the Elm St Ext. Haygood testified that he saw what he "presumed" to be a rail road detective inside the rail road yard, and then he went back to his motorcycle at the Elm St Curb. From that point, he interviewed eyewitnesses, and then made his 12:35 radio transmission. Evidence always carries the day. I would be interested in your presenting whatever counter Evidence you might have. Thus far, all you have offered are personal attacks.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
12:35 - Officer Haygood makes a documented DPD radio call from his parked motorcycle near the Triple Underpass.
12:36 - Officer Harkness makes a documented DPD radio call that he has found a witness pinpointing shots being fired from the TSBD. Harkness says he is immediately transporting this witness, (Amos Euins), to the TSBD.
How can Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness both be captured in the still frame above BEFORE 12:35? They can NOT. It is impossible for both Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness to be together in this image Before 12:35. The DPD motorcycle cop pictured above is Not DPD motorcycle Officer Haygood. I challenge anyone to explain this image being captured Before 12:35.
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Great sleuthing! You've uncovered the long-sought Dallas Police doppelgangers, shipped directly from Uncle James Angleton's Doppelganger Factory outside Washington, D.C. and hand-signed by Allen Dulles!
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Great sleuthing! You've uncovered the long-sought Dallas Police doppelgangers, shipped directly from Uncle James Angleton's Doppelganger Factory outside Washington, D.C. and hand-signed by Allen Dulles!
This "ID" issue is not funny. To the contrary, it is critical. Officer Haygood was supposed to be the only DPD Motorcycle Cop inside the railroad yard after the Kill Shot. I continue providing Facts that prove the guy on the Darnell/Martin films is Not Haygood. He is an imposture. This proves a conspiracy was involved in the JFK Assassination.
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This "ID" issue is not funny. To the contrary, it is critical. Officer Haygood was supposed to be the only DPD Motorcycle Cop inside the railroad yard after the Kill Shot. I continue providing Facts that prove the guy on the Darnell/Martin films is Not Haygood. He is an imposture. This proves a conspiracy was involved in the JFK Assassination.
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What's funny is that you genuinely believe there was a Dallas Police "imposture" (the correct spelling is "impostor" or "imposter," by the way) running around Dealey Plaza moments after the assassination. Such a notion is preposterous on about 100 different levels.
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What's funny is that you genuinely believe there was a Dallas Police "imposture" (the correct spelling is "impostor" or "imposter," by the way) running around Dealey Plaza moments after the assassination. Such a notion is preposterous on about 100 different levels.
Your "Preposterous" declaration is NOT Evidence. It is only verbiage. I have offered solid evidence: (1) Documented Times of Officer Haygood & Officer Harkness DPD Radio Transmissions, (2) Image Evidence, and, (3) The WC Testimonies of Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness.
This is why this case has been unsolved for 62+ yrs. People have cavalierly accepted and then repeated what they have heard. This is done repeatedly for an extended period of time and the next thing you know, it is regarded as being Fact. The 62+ year Officer Haygood ID on the Darnell/Martin films is nothing more than a JFK Assassination "Urban Legend" The mountain of evidence I have provided destroys this Urban Legend. It is physically impossible for Officer Haygood to be filmed with Officer Harkness on the Darnell Film prior to 12:35. That is Not Officer Haygood.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
There is absolutely No Evidence to corroborate the Officer Haygood ID on the Darnell still frame above. The 62+ year old Haygood ID is nothing more than just another JFK Assassination Urban Legend. This laughable Haygood ID is right in line with the SA Greer having turned around and shot JFK while driving the JFK Limo down Elm St. Officer Haygood's documented 12:35 police radio transmission, and Officer Harkness's 12:36 police radio transmission render the Haygood ID on the Darnell/Martin films to simply be impossible. The WC Testimonies of Haygood and Harkness, along with other image evidence, further make this 62+ yr old ID of Officer Haygood an indictment on the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers. To this day, we have people still claiming that SA Greer shot JFK. We also still have people claiming that is Officer Haygood pictured above. The hard evidence in this case says otherwise.
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The sense I have is that you think "proving" that One Glove Cop is not Haygood will equal proving a conspiracy. Would it? Proving that One Glove Cop (hereinafter OGC) was an imposter cop sent to Dealey Plaza in furtherance of a conspiracy - well, yes, I suppose that would do it. But as I've said with Cliff Varnell's claim that the alignment of the clothes, back wound and throat wound is absolutely dispositive for the existence of a conspiracy, you would need to prove these things to a level of absolute, unequivocal certainty. "I've made a good case that OGC isn't Haywood" won't do it.
Stepping back from your film analysis to the broader picture, I would wonder:
1. Where did OGC come from? Surely he wasn't riding a motorcycle in the motorcade?
2. Why was OGC dressed as a motorcycle cop? What did this add to the equation? Wouldn't it greatly increase the risk of his act being discovered?
3. Why would OGC remove one glove? Do any images of Haygood or other actual motorcycle cops show one or both gloves off?
4. Wouldn't it have been rather bold of OGC to walk right between Walthers and Harkness and other, genuine motorcycle cops?
5. Is it pure coincidence that OGC looks very similar to Haygood? Surely he wasn't actually impersonating Haygood - how would the conspirators have had any idea what the real Haygood would be doing?
6. What did OGC supposedly do that was in furtherance of the conspiracy? Why were his actions worth all the risks that a fake motorcycle cop would entail?
7. Where did OGC go when his mission was accomplished? Did he escape on a motorcycle? Did anyone report seeing a motorcycle cop leaving in a car?
8. Having read Haygood's WC testimony, what did he say that you think eliminates him as OGC? If it's a matter of timing, can you really narrow down that timing to a level of precision that makes it physically impossible for OGC to be Haygood?
9. Is it possible to eliminate the possibility that OGC was an actual motorcycle cop other than Haygood?
10. Is it possible that some other misleading mistake in the testimony or evidence is responsible for whatever it is that you think proves OGC is not Haygood? Does your theory hinge on all the testimony and evidence being exactly correct?
I'm not expecting you to answer these questions here, but I think you're going to need to put your OGC claim in at least a reasonably plausible, coherent context for it to carry any weight.
Long story short, it is physically impossible for Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness to appear together PRIOR to 12:35. This is what we see on the Darnell still frame. Haygood was back at his motorcycle making his 12:35 radio transmission and Harkness was inside the railroad yard questioning Euins. Harkness made a 12:36 radio transmission that he was on his way to the TSBD with Euins in tow. This should have been discovered 62 yrs ago.
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Long story short, it is physically impossible for Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness to appear together PRIOR to 12:35. This is what we see on the Darnell still frame. Haygood was back at his motorcycle making his 12:35 radio transmission and Harkness was inside the railroad yard questioning Euins. Harkness made a 12:36 radio transmission that he was on his way to the TSBD with Euins in tow. This should have been discovered 62 yrs ago.
dEAr SonDerfüFHer StOring,
MaYBbe yOU sHould wriTe a bOOk.
YoU coUld sELF-PubLIsH iT anD mAke miLLiOnS!
-- Tom
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
12:35 - Motorcycle Officer Haygood makes a documented police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked on the (N) Elm St curb
12:36 - Officer Harkness makes a documented police radio transmission that he has eyewitness Amos Euins, and they are headed for the TSBD.
12:37 - Officer Harkness places Amos Euins in the backseat of Inspector Sawyer's parked car in front of the TSBD
12:38 - Officer Harkness travels to the back of the TSBD. He "secures" this area.
12 38 - Officer Harkness and the "alleged" Officer Haygood are captured together on the above Darnell Film still frame. ** The documented 12:35 Haygood radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the (N) Elm St curb makes their being together IMPOSSIBLE. The motorcycle cop pictured above is NOT OFFICER HAYGOOD.
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Does anybody know what Haygood is standing on at the top of the knoll when looking over the bannister wall?
How long was Haygood there and did he speak to the cop who was posted on the North East of the overpass?
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Does anybody know what Haygood is standing on at the top of the knoll when looking over the bannister wall?
How long was Haygood there and did he speak to the cop who was posted on the North East of the overpass?
The Cabluck Photo shows Officer Haygood standing on a section of concrete below the wooden fencing. Use the "Photo Gallery" posted here to look at it.
Officer Haygood gave Warren Commission testimony that after entering the railroad yard, he saw a man he "presumed" to be a railroad detective. Haygood said nothing about talking with the cop posted on the North East of the overpass.
The Motorcycle Cop we see inside the railroad yard on the Darnell/Martin Films is NOT OFFICER HAYGOOD. The timelines of Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness make it impossible for the 2 of them to be filmed back there before 12:35. 12:35 is when Officer Haygood made a documented police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St Curb.
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Just a last update of the route Haygood took through the railroad yard.
Below is a pic by Jim Murray taken shortly after the assassination. Circled on the left is Haygood stood under a tree. Circled on the right is Harkness.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vT8gCMbR/Murray-Haygood-Circled.png) (https://postimages.org/)
There is only one tree in the railroad yard itself. Below is the updated route of Haygood.
1] Haygood gets off his bike
2] Haygood in Cancellare on the underpass
3] Haygood in Darnell behind Craig
4] Haygood in Darnell walking towards TSBD
5] Haygood in Murray pic under the tree
(https://i.postimg.cc/FK81DcnL/Haygood-Route3.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Can Haygood make this route in 5 minutes?
Easily.
Photographic evidence has Haygood at point [2] about 1 min 40 seconds after shooting. This gives him three to four minutes to walk the route. There is absolutely no reason to believe he could not complete the route in this given time. It's easily done.
So you want us to believe this photo is showing us Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness BEFORE 12:35? Officer Harkness made a documented 12:36 radio transmission that he had a witness, (Amos Euins), in tow and he was heading for the TSBD with this witness. The Martin Film shows Euins on the back of the Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle as it heads down the Elm St Extension toward the TSBD. The CBS film footage then shows Euins being loaded into Inspector Sawyer's car in front of the TSBD. And you still want us to believe this is ALL Happening BEFORE 12:35? Before Officer Haygood made his own 12:35 police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb close to the Triple Underpass? Obviously, the time stamp of your posted image is Incorrect. And that is Not Officer Haygood. The Tick/Tock destroys the timeline of this image, along with your Officer Haygood slapdash ID. Doing the actual research will prevent a red face going forward.
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For starters, between points #1 & #2, you have Officer Haygood running straight through the Ft Worth sign.
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You funny.
The No Glove Cop does Not WALK toward the Pergola. Take the time and closely examine the Darnell/Martin Films. Through my research, I have untangled Officer Haygood's entire journey and how he was able to back at his motorcycle make his 12:35 radio transmission.
Point#4 is where Haygood is filmed in Darnell walking towards the TSBD building. You don't have a clue what he does after this point.
If Haygood is to get back to his bike in time to make his radio call then this is an approximation of the route he took. We know after he is filmed in Darnell, Haygood is back at his bike making his 12:35pm radio call.
And you've untangled Haygood's entire journey??
I've yet to hear this.
Please explain his full journey from the time he gets off his bike to the time he makes his radio call, and the evidence this timeline is based on?
As I understand it you have Haygood at the Triple Underpass for at least 4 minutes (12:34pm). How does he get round the railroad yard and back to his bike for his 12:35pm radio call
Have you viewed the NEW DARNELL FILM SNIPPET? In this snippet, the "No Glove Cop" is walking even further toward/down the Elm St Ext.
That same NEW Darnell snippet shows the Elm St Ext is NOW jammed with people. There is no way that Officer Harkness could drive his 3 wheel motorcycle down that street at this point in time.
That "No Glove Cop" is being filmed at around 12:38. At 12:35 Officer Haygood was already back at his motorcycle and making his documented police radio transmission. That motorcycle cop ain't Haygood.
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The Cabluck Photo shows Officer Haygood standing on a section of concrete below the wooden fencing. Use the "Photo Gallery" posted here to look at it.
Officer Haygood gave Warren Commission testimony that after entering the railroad yard, he saw a man he "presumed" to be a railroad detective. Haygood said nothing about talking with the cop posted on the North East of the overpass.
The Motorcycle Cop we see inside the railroad yard on the Darnell/Martin Films is NOT OFFICER HAYGOOD. The timelines of Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness make it impossible for the 2 of them to be filmed back there before 12:35. 12:35 is when Officer Haygood made a documented police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St Curb.
I circled a three wheel motorcycle on the right side of a frame from the Darnell film, and the officer with one glove off is walking toward it. Could it be that Haygood made the transmission he made at 12:35 from the circled 3-wheel motorcycle which he's walking towards?
(https://i.imgur.com/ToBgbn5.png)
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I circled a three wheel motorcycle on the right side of a frame from the Darnell film, and the officer with one glove off is walking toward it. Could it be that Haygood made the transmission he made at 12:35 from the circled 3-wheel motorcycle which he's walking towards?
(https://i.imgur.com/ToBgbn5.png)
Thanks for posting that still frame from the Darnell snippet. When an officer makes a call from his motorcycle, that specific motorcycle has a number that is then automatically attached to the transcript of that radio transmission. That number is not the result of a possible "verbal" number being given. During his WC testimony, Officer Haygood verified both his number and his having made the 12:35 radio transmission.
With this same Darnell snippet showing the Elm St Ext to be jammed with people, means we are seeing this "No Glove Cop" at around 12:38. This is well after Officer Haygood made his documented 12:35 police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass. The "No Glove Cop" we see on the Darnell Film is NOT Officer Haygood.
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Thanks for posting that still frame from the Darnell snippet. When an officer makes a call from his motorcycle, that specific motorcycle has a number that is then automatically attached to the transcript of that radio transmission. That number is not the result of a possible "verbal" number being given. During his WC testimony, Officer Haygood verified both his number and his having made the 12:35 radio transmission.
With this same Darnell snippet showing the Elm St Ext to be jammed with people, means we are seeing this "No Glove Cop" at around 12:38. This is well after Officer Haygood made his documented 12:35 police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass. The "No Glove Cop" we see on the Darnell Film is NOT Officer Haygood.
' "When an officer makes a call from his motorcycle, that specific motorcycle has a number that is then automatically attached to the transcript of that radio transmission. That number is not the result of a possible "verbal" number being given." '
Can you clarify this for me?
My question is: How does a number from an officer's transmission over the radio become a "transcript", unless someone transcribes the recording-like Bowles did for the WC? This doesn't have anything to do with the radio he is using. Officers have a call# they use, and they give that number to the dispatcher. So what number are you referring to? My point is, is that Haygood is walking towards the parked 3 wheeler seen in the Darnell film ( I know you don't believe it's Haygood, but I do), and he could have easily used the 3 wheeler's radio to make his 12:35 transmission to dispatch.
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Thanks for posting that still frame from the Darnell snippet. When an officer makes a call from his motorcycle, that specific motorcycle has a number that is then automatically attached to the transcript of that radio transmission. That number is not the result of a possible "verbal" number being given. During his WC testimony, Officer Haygood verified both his number and his having made the 12:35 radio transmission.
With this same Darnell snippet showing the Elm St Ext to be jammed with people, means we are seeing this "No Glove Cop" at around 12:38. This is well after Officer Haygood made his documented 12:35 police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass. The "No Glove Cop" we see on the Darnell Film is NOT Officer Haygood.
RS: When an officer makes a call from his motorcycle, that specific motorcycle has a number that is then automatically attached to the transcript of that radio transmission. That number is not the result of a possible "verbal" number being given
This is simply not true. None of it. Harkness was unit 260 that day, but the Martin film shows that he was riding three-wheeler 99. Tippit was unit 78, but with driving car 10. In the DPD radio recordings, it's obvious that the transmitting officer's mouth is the generating the unit number, which is then repeated by the (human) transcriptionist. In 1963, the technology didn't exist to to automatically stamp the vehicle number on the transmission or the recording in any practical way.
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RS: When an officer makes a call from his motorcycle, that specific motorcycle has a number that is then automatically attached to the transcript of that radio transmission. That number is not the result of a possible "verbal" number being given
This is simply not true. None of it. Harkness was unit 260 that day, but the Martin film shows that he was riding three-wheeler 99. Tippit was unit 78, but with driving car 10. In the DPD radio recordings, it's obvious that the transmitting officer's mouth is the generating the unit number, which is then repeated by the (human) transcriptionist. In 1963, the technology didn't exist to to automatically stamp the vehicle number on the transmission or the recording in any practical way.
Who said anything about a "vehicle number"?
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' "When an officer makes a call from his motorcycle, that specific motorcycle has a number that is then automatically attached to the transcript of that radio transmission. That number is not the result of a possible "verbal" number being given." '
Can you clarify this for me?
My question is: How does a number from an officer's transmission over the radio become a "transcript", unless someone transcribes the recording-like Bowles did for the WC? This doesn't have anything to do with the radio he is using. Officers have a call# they use, and they give that number to the dispatcher. So what number are you referring to? My point is, is that Haygood is walking towards the parked 3 wheeler seen in the Darnell film ( I know you don't believe it's Haygood, but I do), and he could have easily used the 3 wheeler's radio to make his 12:35 transmission to dispatch.
So if Haygood made his 12:35 radio transmission from the Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle, How does Harkness somehow find Euins, interview him, and then make his 12:36 radio transmission from the very same motorcycle? Tick/Tock/Tick/Tock.
On top of that, this above chronological order does Not fit the Harkness WC Testimony. Harkness testified that he initially rode down Main St, checked around on the other side of the Triple Underpass, eventually went back to the TSBD, found Euins in the railroad yard, made his 12:36 radio transmission, took Euins to the front of the TSBD, loaded Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car, and then went and secured the back of the TSBD. This is where we see Harkness with the "No Glove Cop". And your claim is that Haygood used the Harkness motorcycle radio at 12:35 AFTER he had done all of this? Oh, and Inspector Sawyer arrived at the TSBD at 12:35. How is Euins already sitting in the back of Sawyer's car when Officer Haygood is allegedly making a 12:35 radio call from the Harkness motorcycle? This just does Not work 5 ways to Sunday.
Rather than going back-n-forth about how cop's calls were ID'd, I would ask that you look at the WC QA's of Haygood, Harkness, and Inspector Sawyer. It will be clear how this was done
This Darnell snippet is very important as it also shows how crowded the Elm St Extension was when we see this "One Glove Cop" and Officer Harkness together, vs the Elm St Ext being empty when Harkness and Euins sped down it and then when Euins was sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car. And all of this was after Harkness made his 12:36 radio transmission. What we are seeing when "One Glove Cop" and Harkness are together is happening around 12:38. Well after Officer Haygood's 12:35 radio transmission.
I know how skeptics want to try and somehow get around ALL of this evidence, but it is clear. The "No Glove Cop" is not Officer Haygood. The real question is, who is this guy?
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So if Haygood made his 12:35 radio transmission from the Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle, How does Harkness somehow find Euins, interview him, and then make his 12:36 radio transmission from the very same motorcycle? Tick/Tock/Tick/Tock.
On top of that, this above chronological order does Not fit the Harkness WC Testimony. Harkness testified that he initially rode down Main St, checked around on the other side of the Triple Underpass, eventually went back to the TSBD, found Euins in the railroad yard, made his 12:36 radio transmission, took Euins to the front of the TSBD, loaded Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car, and then went and secured the back of the TSBD. This is where we see Harkness with the "No Glove Cop". And your claim is that Haygood used the Harkness motorcycle radio at 12:35 AFTER he had done all of this? Oh, and Inspector Sawyer arrived at the TSBD at 12:35. How is Euins already sitting in the back of Sawyer's car when Officer Haygood is allegedly making a 12:35 radio call from the Harkness motorcycle? This just does Not work 5 ways to Sunday.
Rather than going back-n-forth about how cop's calls were ID'd, I would ask that you look at the WC QA's of Haygood, Harkness, and Inspector Sawyer. It will be clear how this was done
This Darnell snippet is very important as it also shows how crowded the Elm St Extension was when we see this "One Glove Cop" and Officer Harkness together, vs the Elm St Ext being empty when Harkness and Euins sped down it and then when Euins was sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car. And all of this was after Harkness made his 12:36 radio transmission. What we are seeing when "One Glove Cop" and Harkness are together is happening around 12:38. Well after Officer Haygood's 12:35 radio transmission.
I know how skeptics want to try and somehow get around ALL of this evidence, but it is clear. The "No Glove Cop" is not Officer Haygood. The real question is, who is this guy?
Royell, Please respond to my question, because none of what you said makes any sense:
My question is: How does a number from an officer's transmission over the radio become a part of a "transcript" until someone transcribes the recording-like Bowles did for the WC? This doesn't have anything to do with the radio Haygood is using. Officers have a call# they use, and they give that number to the dispatcher. So what number are you referring to?
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DPD OFFICER HAYGOOD WARREN COMMISSION TESTIMONY
OFFICER HAYGOOD - "...and after talking to him and the man that was on the other side that complained he was hit by a piece of concrete from the ricochet at that time, I CALLED THE DISPATCHER and asked for squads to cover the TSBD building off".
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The man being referenced by Haygood as being "hit by a piece of concrete" was James Tague. Tague was standing close to the Triple Underpass and close to Haygood and his motorcycle. The above testimony proves the Haygood 12:35 radio transmission was made from his DPD motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb.
I know skeptics find it hard to believe the MIS ID of Officer Haygood has somehow stood for 62+ years, but the MOUNTAIN OF FACTS clearly prove the "No Glove Cop" is not Officer Haygood. So much so, that the current claim now being made is that Haygood actually made his 12:35 radio transmission from another DPD Cop's motorcycle radio. This claim is immediately debunked by Officer Haygood's WC testimony.
So who do we think this "No Glove Cop" really is? Is it really a DPD Cop? One thing is for certain. After 62+ years, I have proven the "No Glove Cop" on the Darnell Film is NOT OFFICER HAYGOOD.
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I circled a three wheel motorcycle on the right side of a frame from the Darnell film, and the officer with one glove off is walking toward it. Could it be that Haygood made the transmission he made at 12:35 from the circled 3-wheel motorcycle which he's walking towards?
(https://i.imgur.com/ToBgbn5.png)
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OFFICER HAYGOOD - "The railroad yard would be located at the - - it consists of going over Elm St and back north of Elm St"
ATTORNEY BELIN - "What did you do when you got there?"
OFFICER HAYGOOD - "Well, there was nothing. There was quite a few people in the area, spectators, and at that time I went back to my motorcycle it was on the street - - To The RADIO.
Officer Haygood's WC Testimony proves he made his 12:35 police radio transmission over the radio on his own DPD motorcycle. After 62+ years, the mountain of Evidence I continue to compile proves the "No Glove Cop" on the Darnell Film is NOT Officer Haygood. Who is this man? Is he really a DPD Motorcycle Officer? Or, is he an impostor?
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OFFICER HAYGOOD - "The railroad yard would be located at the - - it consists of going over Elm St and back north of Elm St"
ATTORNEY BELIN - "What did you do when you got there?"
OFFICER HAYGOOD - "Well, there was nothing. There was quite a few people in the area, spectators, and at that time I went back to my motorcycle it was on the street - - To The RADIO.
Officer Haygood's WC Testimony proves he made his 12:35 police radio transmission over the radio on his own DPD motorcycle. After 62+ years, the mountain of Evidence I continue to compile proves the "No Glove Cop" on the Darnell Film is NOT Officer Haygood. Who is this man? Is he really a DPD Motorcycle Officer? Or, is he an impostor?
Ok. I'm aware of all this, thank you.
However, you still haven't answered my question to you, above.
Here it is , again-albeit corrected because of some typing errors I made:
My question is: How does a number from an officer's transmission over the radio become a part of a "transcript" until someone transcribes the recording-like Bowles did for the WC? This doesn't have anything to do with the radio Haygood is using. Officers have a call# they use, and they give that number to the dispatcher. So what number are you referring to?
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Ok. I'm aware of all this, thank you.
However, you still haven't answered my question to you, above.
Here it is , again-albeit corrected because of some typing errors I made:
My question is: How does a number from an officer's transmission over the radio become a part of a "transcript" until someone transcribes the recording-like Bowles did for the WC? This doesn't have anything to do with the radio Haygood is using. Officers have a call# they use, and they give that number to the dispatcher. So what number are you referring to?
You are claiming that Officer Haygood used the radio on Officer Harkness's 3 wheel motorcycle. The Haygood WC Testimony proves he used the radio on his own motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb.
I don't know who Bowles is. I am referring to the # being cited in the WC QA's of Haygood, Harkness, and Inspector Sawyer.
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Who said anything about a "vehicle number"?
You did: "that specific motorcycle has a number that is then automatically attached..."
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You are claiming that Officer Haygood used the radio on Officer Harkness's 3 wheel motorcycle. The Haygood WC Testimony proves he used the radio on his own motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb.
I don't know who Bowles is. I am referring to the # being cited in the WC QA's of Haygood, Harkness, and Inspector Sawyer.
No. I didn't "claim" that Haygood used the radio on the 3-wheeler. I asked you, "Could it be that Haygood made the transmission he made at 12:35 from the circled 3-wheel motorcycle which he's walking towards? ", because at that time I didn't have access to his testimony. Thanks for pointing out that he made the transmission after he returned to his own motorcycle.
J.C. Bowles is who transcribed channels 1 and 2 of the police recordings in 1964 for the WC.
He was the communications supervisor at the time.
Haygood's call number was 142.
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No. I didn't "claim" that Haygood used the radio on the 3-wheeler. I asked you, "Could it be that Haygood made the transmission he made at 12:35 from the circled 3-wheel motorcycle which he's walking towards? ", because at that time I didn't have access to his testimony. Thanks for pointing out that he made the transmission after he returned to his own motorcycle.
J.C. Bowles is who transcribed channels 1 and 2 of the police recordings in 1964 for the WC.
He was the communications supervisor at the time.
Haygood's call number was 142.
I do not see a "Bowles" listed as having been sworn in by the WC or HSCA. Do you know why the person assigning names to 11/22/63 DPD radio transmissions was not sworn in/documented?
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
At this point in time above: (1) Officer Harkness had already loaded Amos Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car. (Inspector Sawyer arrived at the TSBD at 12:35), and, (2) Officer Haygood had already made his 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass. This means: (1) the image above was filmed at 12:38, and (2) That Ain't Officer Haygood.
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I circled a three wheel motorcycle on the right side of a frame from the Darnell film, and the officer with one glove off is walking toward it. Could it be that Haygood made the transmission he made at 12:35 from the circled 3-wheel motorcycle which he's walking towards?
(https://i.imgur.com/ToBgbn5.png)
See that red arrow? That is NOT DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood. Haygood has already made his 12:35 PM radio transmission at this point in time. Officer Haygood is back at the Elm St curb, standing alongside his motorcycle, interviewing witnesses. And see Officer Harkness standing there with his back toward the camera? Harkness has: (1) Already made his 12:36 PM radio transmission, and (2) Already Loaded Amos Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car parked in front of the TSBD. (Inspector Sawyer arrived at the TSBD at 12:35). As we see Harkness in this still frame, he has secured the back of the TSBD. EXACTLY as Harkness said he did in his WC Testimony. The time of this Darnell still frame being 12:38 PM. Which begs the questions: (1) Who is this alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop? (2) Where is his motorcycle? (3) Why is he wearing only 1 glove?
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I circled a three wheel motorcycle on the right side of a frame from the Darnell film, and the officer with one glove off is walking toward it. Could it be that Haygood made the transmission he made at 12:35 from the circled 3-wheel motorcycle which he's walking towards?
(https://i.imgur.com/ToBgbn5.png)
Take notice that this motorcycle cop with the red arrow pointing at him is making sure to keep that car between him and Officer Harkness. This red arrow motorcycle cop also has Officer Buddy Walthers only scant feet behind him. Does this alleged motorcycle cop speak to or even look in the direction of either Harkness or Walthers? No how, No way. The very last thing he wants is to even make eye contact with these 2 DPD Officers.
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Does this alleged motorcycle cop speak to or even look in the direction of either Harkness or Walthers? No how, No way. The very last thing he wants is to even make eye contact with these 2 DPD Officers.
It doesn't get more silly than this, folks: Royell Storing taking us into the paranoid mind of his imaginary fake Dealey Plaza motorcycle cop in disguise! Wow.
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It doesn't get more silly than this, folks: Royell Storing taking us into the paranoid mind of his imaginary fake Dealey Plaza motorcycle cop in disguise! Wow.
He should write a book!
Oodles and gobs of fellow tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists will buy it!
He'll become rich and famous, and The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "xxxx") will probably give him a Cabinet position!
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It doesn't get more silly than this, folks: Royell Storing taking us into the paranoid mind of his imaginary fake Dealey Plaza motorcycle cop in disguise! Wow.
If you go back to when we 1st see this "No Glove Cop" on the Darnell Film, he is directly BEHIND Officer Roger Craig and Officer Buddy Walthers. He then parallels Craig and Walthers for the entire length of the train cars. They stop, he stops. They move, he moves. Once "No Glove Cop" was at the dirt road leading down to the Elm St Ext, he was forced to move downward. So, he put his head down and quickly moved passed Officer Harkness. The question is who is this alleged DPD Motocycle Cop? I have conclusively proven it is Not Officer Haygood. The new Darnell Film snippet further proves what we are seeing is happening AFTER 12:35. 12:35 is when Officer Haygood made his documented radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass.
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I circled a three wheel motorcycle on the right side of a frame from the Darnell film, and the officer with one glove off is walking toward it. Could it be that Haygood made the transmission he made at 12:35 from the circled 3-wheel motorcycle which he's walking towards?
(https://i.imgur.com/ToBgbn5.png)
If we could see the entire Darnell Film with the clarity of the above Darnell still frame, a lot of questions would be answered. Like, what is this alleged DPD motorcycle cop NOW holding in his (L) hand? Earlier in the Darnell Film, he has nothing in that (L) hand as he walks along the entire string of train cars. Now, as he advances toward/down the Elm St Extension he suddenly is griping something in his (L) hand. What is he holding in that (L) hand as he slips past Officer Harkness?
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If we could see the entire Darnell Film with the clarity of the above Darnell still frame, a lot of questions would be answered. Like, what is this alleged DPD motorcycle cop NOW holding in his (L) hand? Earlier in the Darnell Film, he has nothing in that (L) hand as he walks along the entire string of train cars. Now, as he advances toward/down the Elm St Extension he suddenly is griping something in his (L) hand. What is he holding in that (L) hand as he slips past Officer Harkness?
It's Haygood's right hand glove, which he is carrying.
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It's Haygood's right hand glove, which he is carrying.
I Disagree as to that object possibly being a "glove". As you see below, whatever that object might be, it is consistently rigid. It holds its' form as the "One Glove Cop" is in motion toward/down the Elm St Extension. A "glove" would not uniformly maintain its' form while in the hand of a person in motion. From the look of its' consistent shape and size, it looks to me like a flashlight. Like a 60's Boy Scout Flashlight.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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You've been completely unable to demonstrate your contention that the motorcycle officer in the Darnell film is not Haygood. When we strip off your misconceptions, your misunderstandings, and your miscontruals, all we are left with is a base assertion that "Haygood didn't explicitly say he was in the rail yards behind the knoll." Which isn't really an argument. So now you want to shift the burden of proof, and declare yourself the victor. A quaint strategy, but the rest of us see right through it.
The newly discovered Darnell Film Snippet which shows the Elm St Extension jammed packed with people, while at the same time Officer Harkness standing alongside the "One Glove Cop" inside the railroad yard, blows the above blah, blah, blah, all to hell. Officer Haygood made a documented 12:35 PM police radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass. Officer Harkness made a documented 12:36 PM police radio transmission that he was headed to the TSBD with eyewitness/Euins in tow. So at what time is this newly discovered Darnell Film Snippet happening? 12:38 PM. That "One Glove Cop" is not Officer Haygood. The timelines of officer Haygood and Officer Harkness make this crystal clear.
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If we could see the entire Darnell Film with the clarity of the above Darnell still frame, a lot of questions would be answered. Like, what is this alleged DPD motorcycle cop NOW holding in his left hand?
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
I think it's a special pistol that the evil, evil, evil CIA gave him to liquidate the patsy, Harvey Oswald (not to be confused with Lee Oswald).
Keep up the good work!
-- Tom
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This image appears to me to show that the cop’s holster is on his right thigh. Also, something is in his left hand (perhaps his glove?). I would assume that he removed his right glove with his left hand to be able to draw and handle his weapon better, if necessary. I suspect that this is standard operating procedure when a cop is walking towards a building with potentially an armed assassin inside. Just my opinion.
I was thinking the same thing.
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I was thinking the same thing.
This same cop has NO Glove On back when he is walking along the entire length of those train cars. He also: (1) Does NOT have his gun out, and (2) Is holding NOTHING in either hand. DO YOUR RESEARCH!
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This same cop has NO Glove On back when he is walking along the entire length of those train cars. He also: (1) Does NOT have his gun out, and (2) Is holding NOTHING in either hand. DO YOUR RESEARCH!
MaYBe hE THougHT thE BAd guY oR BaD guYS weRE iN oNE oF THosE TRaiN caRs!
do'H!
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MaYBe hE THougHT thE BAd guY oR BaD guYS weRE iN oNE oF THosE TRaiN caRs!
do'H!
The "No Glove Cop" is not looking inside the train car(s) on the Darnell Film. He is shadowing Officer Roger Craig and Officer Buddy Walthers in front of him. Again, you display your not being familiar with the Darnell Film. Do some JFK Assassination research.
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
I think it's a special pistol that the evil, evil, evil CIA gave him to liquidate the patsy, Harvey Oswald (not to be confused with Lee Oswald).
Keep up the good work!
-- Tom
No, it’s more than likely a KGB specially designed poison dart gun cleverly disguised as a flashlight 🥸
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No, it’s more than likely a KGB specially designed poison dart gun cleverly disguised as a flashlight 🥸
"No Glove Cop" is NOT holding anything in his hands while walking along the entire string of passenger train cars. Then suddenly, he can be seen firmly gripping something in his (L) hand as he heads toward/down the Elm St Extension. Why would he suddenly require anything in his hand as he merely walked along? It's 12:38 PM when we see this alleged cop with Officer Harkness. Where is his motorcycle? Why is he suddenly missing a glove? This guy is NOT Officer Haygood.
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Thanks Dan and Royell. This image appears to me to show that the cop’s holster is on his right thigh. Also, something is in his left hand (perhaps his glove?). I would assume that he removed his right glove with his left hand to be able to draw and handle his weapon better, if necessary. I suspect that this is standard operating procedure when a cop is walking towards a building with potentially an armed assassin inside. Just my opinion.
Officer Haygood ran up the grassy knoll with his gun drawn. He was photographed by Cancellare standing atop the Triple Underpass. That photo shows Officer Haygood with both gloves on and his gun in his holster. Haygood did Not need to remove his glove when he ran up the grassy knoll with his gun drawn. This "No Glove Cop" above is Not Officer Haygood. Who is this man? Where is his motorcycle? And exactly where is he going?
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
It is physically impossible for Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness to be together in this Darnell still frame BEFORE 12:35 PM. 12:35 is when Haygood made his documented police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass. The time of this Darnell still frame is 12:38 PM. At this point in time, Officer Haygood was physically at the Elm St curb, interviewing JFK Assassination witnesses. That alleged DPD motorcycle cop above is NOT Officer Haygood. Who is this man? Where is his motorcycle? Where is he going?
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Bobby Hargis’ testimony indicates that he was in that area about the time that the TSBD was finally sealed. From his testimony to the WC:
… so, I came back to the Texas School Book Depository. At that time it seemed like the activity was centered around the Texas School Book Depository, so, that is when I heard someone say, one of the sergeants or lieutenants, I don't know, "Don't let any- one out of the Texas School Book Depository," and so, I went to a gap that had not been filled, which was at the southwest corner. Mr. STERN. And you remained there until you were relieved? Mr. HARGIS. Yes.
I have drawn a yellow circle around the area that is the southwest corner of the TSBD. Isn’t this the area where the motorcycle cop in question was filmed?
(https://i.vgy.me/8IXkAj.jpg)
This overhead view makes it clear how close the Officer Harkness Check Point was to the railroad spur closest to the Elm St Extension. Just use the cars pictured to measure the distance between the Harkness Check Point and that railroad spur. Figure 17.5 feet per car. And this is made clear on that newly discovered Darnell Fim footage that pans from the Elm St Extension to that Harkness Check Point. And this Darnell Film snippet also shows the Elm St Extension to now be jammed with people. The time of this snippet being 12:38 PM. That "No Glove Cop" is not Officer Haygood. Haygood was already back at his motorcycle making his documented 12:35 PM police radio transmission.
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Just a last update of the route Haygood took through the railroad yard.
Below is a pic by Jim Murray taken shortly after the assassination. Circled on the left is Haygood stood under a tree. Circled on the right is Harkness.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vT8gCMbR/Murray-Haygood-Circled.png) (https://postimages.org/)
There is only one tree in the railroad yard itself. Below is the updated route of Haygood.
1] Haygood gets off his bike
2] Haygood in Cancellare on the underpass
3] Haygood in Darnell behind Craig
4] Haygood in Darnell walking towards TSBD
5] Haygood in Murray pic under the tree
(https://i.postimg.cc/FK81DcnL/Haygood-Route3.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Can Haygood make this route in 5 minutes?
Easily.
Photographic evidence has Haygood at point [2] about 1 min 40 seconds after shooting. This gives him three to four minutes to walk the route. There is absolutely no reason to believe he could not complete the route in this given time. It's easily done.
12:35 - Officer Haygood makes documented police radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass.
12:36 - Officer Harkness makes documented police radio transmission that he is bringing an eyewitness/Amos Euins to the TSBD.
For Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness to be photographed together above, means that photo had to of been taken at 12:34 or earlier. That 12:34 or earlier timestamp for both Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. That is not Officer Haygood above.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
12:35 - Officer Haygood makes a police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass.
12:36 - Officer Harkness makes a police radio transmission from his 3 wheel motorcycle that he is bringing an eyewitness/Amos Euins to the TSBD.
These 2 timelines make it impossible for Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness to be filmed together by Darnell BEFORE 12:35. This means the above "No Glove Cop" is NOT Officer Haygood. This man is an impostor. He is part of a conspiracy.
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He is part of a conspiracy.
I think you're part of a conspiracy to dream up the most absurd Dealey Plaza theories I've ever heard.
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I think you're part of a conspiracy to dream up the most absurd Dealey Plaza theories I've ever heard.
Go ahead Tommy. Tell this forum. How is Officer Harkness pictured with Officer Haygood at 12:34 on the Darnell still frame? How exactly is that possible?
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
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(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Do you see Officer Buddy Walthers there above? He was standing on Main St when he heard the shots ring out at 12:30. Walthers ran over to Elm St, waited for the JFK Motorcade to pass down Elm St, ran across Elm St, ran up the knoll, climbed the picket fence, dropped into the parking lot, encountered a lady trying to drive out of the parking lot, questioned her, turned her in, and was then filmed by Darnell as he conducted crowd control and questioned witnesses back inside the railroad yard. The Darnell still frame above showing Walthers, Officer Harkness, and the "One Glove Cop" for 62+ yrs has been timestamped 12:34 PM. Do you believe that Walthers did ALL of this only 4 minutes after the kill shot? The real timestamp for this Darnell still frame is 12:38 PM. This means the "One Glove Cop" pictured above can not be Officer Haygood. Officer Haygood made a 12:35 police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass. Who is this "One Glove Cop? Where is his motorcycle? Where is he headed?
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Are you suggesting that some part of this film was cut out or edited?
Some film sequence that that caught a rifle being used from one of the 3 tramps the freight car behind the picket fence?
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Are you suggesting that some part of this film was cut out or edited?
Some film sequence that that caught a rifle being used from one of the 3 tramps the freight car behind the picket fence?
Dear Peon I mean Zeon,
Is English your second language?
-- Tom
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Dear Peon I mean Zeon,
Is English your second language?
-- Tom
Referring to someone as a "Peon" is uncalled for. There are people posting here from all around the world.
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Referring to someone as a "Peon" is uncalled for. There are people posting here from all around the world.
And you, Storing?
Are you posting from Russia?
One would think so -- straight from Putin's professional troll factory.
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And you, Storing?
Are you posting from Russia?
One would think so -- straight from Putin's professional troll factory.
You're way outta line calling Zeon a "peon".
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You're way out of line calling Zeon a "peon".
Dear Royell,
You're right for a change. (Miracles never cease.)
My bad.
I apologize.
I'm sure Zeon isn't a "peon," even though he is grossly ignorant about the shots that hit JFK and JBC, and his . . . aww . . . never mind.
-- Tom
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Dear Royell,
You're right for a change. (Miracles never cease.)
My bad.
I apologize.
I'm sure Zeon isn't a "peon," even though he is grossly ignorant about the shots that hit JFK and JBC, and his . . . aww . . . never mind.
-- Tom
Hey, Dom, er I mean Tom, you are the one (and virtually the ONLY one) who has suggested that the 3 shots were spread out over 10-11 secs.
You keep confusing me with that Marjan (what’s his last name?) from Afghanistan or somewhere ( the hooded avatar). HE is the one with the looney idea that Hickey accidentally discharged his AR-15 rifle.
My opinion is that probably only 3 loud (unsuppressed) shots were fired from the TSBD 6th floor SE window at 12:30 beginning with 1st shot at Z223. If that’s an opinion which you consider to be “grossly ignorant about the shots which hit JFK and JC”, then you must be confusing me with Andrew Mason who is advocating the shooter shot the 1st shot thru the tree foliage at Z190.
Royell has had some interesting observations though which could change my opinion on the total no.of shots fired, especially if one was a subsonic round fired from a suppressed rifle from some lower elevation and or direction.
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Hey, Dom, er I mean Tom, you are the one (and virtually the ONLY one) who has suggested that the 3 shots were spread out over 10-11 secs.
You keep confusing me with that Marjan (what’s his last name?) from Afghanistan or somewhere ( the hooded avatar). HE is the one with the looney idea that Hickey accidentally discharged his AR-15 rifle.
My opinion is that probably only 3 loud (unsuppressed) shots were fired from the TSBD 6th floor SE window at 12:30 beginning with 1st shot at Z223. If that’s an opinion which you consider to be “grossly ignorant about the shots which hit JFK and JC”, then you must be confusing me with Andrew Mason who is advocating the shooter shot the 1st shot thru the tree foliage at Z190.
Royell has had some interesting observations though which could change my opinion on the total no.of shots fired, especially if one was a subsonic round fired from a suppressed rifle from some lower elevation and or direction.
I thought it was interesting that when Josiah Thompson interviewed Sitzman for his "Six Seconds In Dallas" (1968) blockbuster book, she volunteered that a noise suppression/silencer could have been used. She reasoned that would explain why she did not hear any shots fired near her pedestal position. So, way back then there was wide spread discussion about a gun having been used with noise suppression.
One of the reasons I have little confidence in EAR Witnesses detailing the number of shots fired, is that 1963 was only 18 yrs after WW 2. WC witnesses were almost Never asked about their hearing ability. Both Brehm and Willis were WW 2 vets. Brehm wounded during the D Day Invasion, and Willis was stationed at Pearl Harbor. Both had to of been hearing impaired.
With respect to possible "lower level" shot(s) being fired, remember that on "The Men Who Killed Kennedy", the govt informant claimed he was told of a shooter being, "almost on the horizontal".
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You are virtually the only one who has suggested that the three shots were spread out over [10.2] seconds.
https://d7922adf-f499-4a26-96d4-8ab2d521fa35.usrfiles.com/ugd/d7922a_e280e26982b44f2c97c6e6e27026e385.pdf
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After leaving the RR yard Murray stood on the grassy knoll and photographed the crowd gathered on N Elm, including the area near the parked motorcycle of Clyde Haygood. His helmet is visible in the photo near his bike. Murray also caught the north peristyle wall with an advancing shadow moving southward about 3-4” per minute. Modeling this wall shadow allows an estimation of the time as 12:36.
(https://i.imgur.com/XwcN8Cr.jpeg)
My original posting on this technique can be found in this forum here.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2013.msg54679.html#google_vignette
The above Nutty Professor hocus-pocus is needless overkill. We know that Officer Haygood made a documented 12:35 police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked right there at the Elm St curb. This means the Darnell still frame allegedly showing Officer Haygood with Officer Harkness happened at 12:34. The alleged 12:34 Darnell still frame showing Officer Haygood with Officer Harkness is physically impossible. After interviewing an eyewitness, Officer Harkness made a documented 12:36 police radio transmission. He said he was bringing in a witness/Amos Euins to the TSBD. Harkness then put Euins on the back of his 3 wheel motorcycle: (1) Took Euins to the TSBD, (2) Loaded him into the back seat of Inspector Sawyer's car, and (3) Then established security behind the TSBD. THIS, is when where we see Harkness in that Darnell still frame. The time would be 12:38. Only, that ain't Officer Haygood with Harkness on the Darnell still frame. We know this because Officer Haygood was already back at his motorcycle making his documented radio transmission at 12:35. Who is this "One Glove Cop"? Where is his motorcycle? Where did he come from? Where is he going?
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Thanks Dan and Royell. This image appears to me to show that the cop’s holster is on his right thigh. Also, something is in his left hand (perhaps his glove?). I would assume that he removed his right glove with his left hand to be able to draw and handle his weapon better, if necessary. I suspect that this is standard operating procedure when a cop is walking towards a building with potentially an armed assassin inside. Just my opinion.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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The above Nutty Professor hocus-pocus is needless overkill. We know that Officer Haygood made a documented 12:35 police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked right there at the Elm St curb. This means the Darnell still frame allegedly showing Officer Haygood with Officer Harkness happened at 12:34. The alleged 12:34 Darnell still frame showing Officer Haygood with Officer Harkness is physically impossible. After interviewing an eyewitness, Officer Harkness made a documented 12:36 police radio transmission. He said he was bringing in a witness/Amos Euins to the TSBD. Harkness then put Euins on the back of his 3 wheel motorcycle: (1) Took Euins to the TSBD, (2) Loaded him into the back seat of Inspector Sawyer's car, and (3) Then established security behind the TSBD. THIS, is when where we see Harkness in that Darnell still frame. The time would be 12:38. Only, that ain't Officer Haygood with Harkness on the Darnell still frame. We know this because Officer Haygood was already back at his motorcycle making his documented radio transmission at 12:35. Who is this "One Glove Cop"? Where is his motorcycle? Where did he come from? Where is he going?
Hi Royell. Thanks for the shout-out of my Wall Shadow Clock method being consistent with your 12:36 Murray/Haygood time estimate. I appreciate that.
Will you tell me where on your timeline is Jimmy Darnell standing behind the park bench at the retaining wall, filming the infield and gathering around the Elm street sidewalk etc.? Thanks!
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Hi Royell. Thanks for the shout-out of my Wall Shadow Clock method being consistent with your 12:36 Murray/Haygood time estimate. I appreciate that.
Will you tell me where on your timeline is Jimmy Darnell standing behind the park bench at the retaining wall, filming the infield and gathering around the Elm street sidewalk etc.? Thanks!
James - After Darnell filmed that segment showing the retaining wall, Elm St, etc, he then filmed the interview of Sitzman there at the Pergola Shelter. After that, Darnell filmed those "3 girls" walking down the knoll below the Pergola. Richard Trask's "Pictures Of The Pain" did not provide a timeline for this film segment. I realized that these same "3 Girls" were also filmed by Tina Towner at the very end of her film. (I can't be sure, but it looks like the same 3 Girls). Trask time stamped this Towner film "3 Girls" segment to be at, "About 10 minutes" after the shooting. This same Towner segment showing the "3 Girls", also shows a man running down from the Pergola shelter area. He begins to circle around in front of the girls. This man might be Darnell getting into position to film his own segment of these same 3 girls. It's a rough estimate, but figure around 12:40 for the Darnell film segment you asked about.
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James - After Darnell filmed that segment showing the retaining wall, Elm St, etc, he then filmed the interview of Sitzman there at the Pergola Shelter. After that, Darnell filmed those "3 girls" walking down the knoll below the Pergola. Richard Trask's "Pictures Of The Pain" did not provide a timeline for this film segment. I realized that these same "3 Girls" were also filmed by Tina Towner at the very end of her film. (I can't be sure, but it looks like the same 3 Girls). Trask time stamped this Towner film "3 Girls" segment to be at, "About 10 minutes" after the shooting. This same Towner segment showing the "3 Girls", also shows a man running down from the Pergola shelter area. He begins to circle around in front of the girls. This man might be Darnell getting into position to film his own segment of these same 3 girls. It's a rough estimate, but figure around 12:40 for the Darnell film segment you asked about.
Dear Royell,
Those three young women -- self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob, strawberry-blond Gloria Jeanne Holt, and blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmons -- still(?) mislabeled in the Zapruder film as "Gloria Calvery," "Karan Hicks," and "Carol Reed," respectively, by the likes of Don Roberdeau and Robin Unger, were filmed walking across the concrete "patio" on the Grassy Knoll several minutes after the assassination NOT by Tina Towner, but by Tina Towner's father, Mr. Towner, with Tina Towner's camera.
You really should improve the quality of your so-called "JFKA research," Royell.
-- Tom
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Dear Royell,
Those three young women -- self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob, strawberry-blond Gloria Jeanne Holt, and blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmons -- still(?) mislabeled in the Zapruder film as "Gloria Calvery," "Karan Hicks," and "Carol Reed," respectively, by the likes of Don Roberdeau and Robin Unger, were filmed walking across the concrete "patio" on the Grassy Knoll several minutes after the assassination NOT by Tina Towner, but by Tina Towner's father, Mr. Towner, with Tina Towner's camera.
You really should improve the quality of your so-called "JFKA research," Royell.
-- Tom
"Pictures Of The Pain" (1994) by - Richard Trask. This book is considered the Bible regarding JFK Assassination Images. Page 219/Paragraph 2. "Tina".
If you ever do get serious about doing JFK Assassination Research, this book should be at your fingertips.
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"Pictures of the Pain" (1994) by - Richard Trask. This book is considered the Bible regarding JFK Assassination Images. Page 219/Paragraph 2. "Tina." If you ever do get serious about doing JFK Assassination Research, this book should be at your fingertips.
Okay, maybe you're right.
At least now you know who those three "girls" were.
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Okay, maybe you're right.
At least now you know who those three "girls" were.
With respect to your 3 girls ID, how can Anyone rely on Anything you post when you are continually throwing crapola out there? Please just do the required JFK Assassination Research and stop embarrassing any others being burdened with this same surname. I look at my friend The Nutty Professor as being a JFK Assassination Thomas Edison. He is gonna continually try his own 100+ light bulb filaments in an attempt to "scientifically" solve any JFK Assassination issue at hand. You? You just throw BS: out onto this forum. Again, please just do the research and broaden your JFK Assassination Foundation.
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With respect to your three girls ID, how can Anyone rely on Anything you post when you are continually throwing crapola out there? Please just do the required JFK Assassination Research and stop embarrassing any others being burdened with this same surname. I look at my friend The Nutty Professor as being a JFK Assassination Thomas Edison. He is gonna continually try his own 100+ light bulb filaments in an attempt to "scientifically" solve any JFK Assassination issue at hand. You? You just throw xx out onto this forum. Again, please just do the research and broaden your JFK Assassination Foundation.
Dear Royell,
Unlike you, I've got the basics right:
Lee Harvey Oswald, a psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist and former Marine sharpshooter, fired three shots at JFK over 10.2 seconds in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza. The first shot, a steeply-downward-angled one at "Z-124," missed everything and may have left a mark / divot in the asphalt very close to where JFK was at the time -- which mark is visible in a Secret Service reenactment film. Oswald's second shot, at approximately Z-222, struck JFK in the lower-neck / upper-back and, until it fell out inside Parkland Hospital, was shallowly embedded in JBC's right thigh. The only hard bone it hit in the two men was the radial bone in JBC's right wrist which it sideswiped while twirling. Oswald's third shot hit JFK in the back of the head and caused it to go downward and forward about two inches between Zapruder frames 312 and 313.
Police Officer Cop Officer Marrion Baker, after parking his motorcycle on Elm Street near the concrete "island," surveying the scene, and hearing Chief Curry say over the radio to get men onto the triple underpass, entered the TSBD about 35 seconds after the final shot, and he and Roy Truly were confronting Oswald inside the vestibule of the second-floor lunchroom when Vicki Adams and Sandra Styles, who were in the process of coming down from the fourth floor, were quickly walking from one stairwell to the other in the N-W corner of said floor.
While running to the TSBD steps, William Shelley and Billy Lovelady, who had intercepted Shelley's friend, Gloria Calvery, at-or-near the "island," were "captured" in Couch-Darnell as they were beginning to walk towards the railway yard / parking lot.
Several witnesses either saw Oswald shoot Police Officer Cop Officer J. D. Tippit or saw him running away from the scene with a pistol in his hand, and he tried to kill at least one other police officer cop officer while he was being arrested in the Texas Theater.
Case Closed.
-- Tom
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Dear Royell,
Unlike you, I've got the basics right:
Lee Harvey Oswald, a psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist and former Marine sharpshooter, fired three shots at JFK over 10.2 seconds in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza. The first shot, a steeply-downward-angled one at "Z-124," missed everything and may have left a mark / divot in the asphalt very close to where JFK was at the time -- which mark is visible in a Secret Service reenactment film. Oswald's second shot, at approximately Z-222, struck JFK in the lower-neck / upper-back and, until it fell out inside Parkland Hospital, was shallowly embedded in JBC's right thigh. The only hard bone it hit in the two men was the radial bone in JBC's right wrist which it sideswiped while twirling. Oswald's third shot hit JFK in the back of the head and caused it to go downward and forward about two inches between Zapruder frames 312 and 313.
Police Officer Cop Officer Marrion Baker, after parking his motorcycle on Elm Street near the concrete "island," surveying the scene, and hearing Chief Curry say over the radio to get men onto the triple underpass, entered the TSBD about 35 seconds after the final shot, and he and Roy Truly were confronting Oswald inside the vestibule of the second-floor lunchroom when Vicki Adams and Sandra Styles, who were in the process of coming down from the fourth floor, were quickly walking from one stairwell to the other in the N-W corner of said floor.
While running to the TSBD steps, William Shelley and Billy Lovelady, who had intercepted Shelley's friend, Gloria Calvery, at-or-near the "island," were "captured" in Couch-Darnell as they were beginning to walk towards the railway yard / parking lot.
Several witnesses either saw Oswald shoot Police Officer Cop Officer J. D. Tippit or saw him running away from the scene with a pistol in his hand, and he tried to kill at least one other police officer cop officer while he was being arrested in the Texas Theater.
Case Closed.
-- Tom
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Dear Royell,
Unlike you, I've got the basics right:
Lee Harvey Oswald, a psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist and former Marine sharpshooter, fired three shots at JFK over 10.2 seconds in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza. The first shot, a steeply-downward-angled one at "Z-124," missed everything and may have left a mark / divot in the asphalt very close to where JFK was at the time -- which mark is visible in a Secret Service reenactment film. Oswald's second shot, at approximately Z-222, struck JFK in the lower-neck / upper-back and, until it fell out inside Parkland Hospital, was shallowly embedded in JBC's right thigh. The only hard bone it hit in the two men was the radial bone in JBC's right wrist which it sideswiped while twirling. Oswald's third shot hit JFK in the back of the head and caused it to go downward and forward about two inches between Zapruder frames 312 and 313.
Police Officer Cop Officer Marrion Baker, after parking his motorcycle on Elm Street near the concrete "island," surveying the scene, and hearing Chief Curry say over the radio to get men onto the triple underpass, entered the TSBD about 35 seconds after the final shot, and he and Roy Truly were confronting Oswald inside the vestibule of the second-floor lunchroom when Vicki Adams and Sandra Styles, who were in the process of coming down from the fourth floor, were quickly walking from one stairwell to the other in the N-W corner of said floor.
While running to the TSBD steps, William Shelley and Billy Lovelady, who had intercepted Shelley's friend, Gloria Calvery, at-or-near the "island," were "captured" in Couch-Darnell as they were beginning to walk towards the railway yard / parking lot.
Several witnesses either saw Oswald shoot Police Officer Cop Officer J. D. Tippit or saw him running away from the scene with a pistol in his hand, and he tried to kill at least one other police officer cop officer while he was being arrested in the Texas Theater.
Case Closed.
-- Tom
I have already proved that Lovelady was standing in front of the TSBD front door, at the same time that these "2 Guys" were standing next to the getaway car. It is physically impossible for Lovelady to be 1 of the "2 Guys" alongside the car.
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I have already proved that Lovelady was standing in front of the TSBD front door, at the same time that these "Two Guys" were standing next to the getaway car. It is physically impossible for Lovelady to be one of the "Two Guys" alongside the car.
Dear Royell,
You haven't proved jack you-know-what.
Regardless, "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin and The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx") cherish what you do.
-- Tom
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
12:35 PM - Officer Haygood makes documented police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked near the Triple Underpass.
12:36 PM - Officer Harkness makes documented police radio transmission from his motorcycle. Harkness says he has a witness/Euins and is bringing him to the TSBD. Harkness then proceeds to load Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car there in front of the TSBD. Officer Harkness is then instructed to secure the area behind the TSBD. This is where we see him pictured above.
The above Darnell still frame has been previously timestamped as 12:34 PM. The documented police radio transmissions of Haygood and Harkness make this 12:34 PM timestamp to be impossible. The above is happening at 12:38 PM. And the above pictured DPD Motorcycle Officer is NOT Officer Haygood. (1) Who is this impostor? (2) Where is his motorcycle? (3) Where is he going?
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12:35 PM - Officer Haygood makes documented police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked near the Triple Underpass.
12:36 PM - Officer Harkness makes documented police radio transmission from his motorcycle. Harkness says he has a witness/Euins and is bringing him to the TSBD. Harkness then proceeds to load Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car there in front of the TSBD. Officer Harkness is then instructed to secure the area behind the TSBD. This is where we see him pictured above.
The above Darnell still frame has been previously timestamped as 12:34 PM. The documented police radio transmissions of Haygood and Harkness make this 12:34 PM timestamp to be impossible. The above is happening at 12:38 PM. And the above pictured DPD Motorcycle Officer is NOT Officer Haygood. (1) Who is this impostor? (2) Where is his motorcycle? (3) Where is he going?
When you have evidence that answers your inane questions, get back to us.
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Dear Royell,
Unlike you, I've got the basics right:
Lee Harvey Oswald, a psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist and former Marine sharpshooter, fired three shots at JFK over 10.2 seconds
-- Tom
I feel very strongly that the first shot was fired at or about Z151 and the total elapsed time for all three shots was about 8.75 seconds. I freely admit my conclusions is based on my analysis of clues I see in the Z-film and does not constitute proof positive. I am curious about those of you who think the first shot was fired before Zapruder resumed filming. How you can give such a precise time that first shot was fired. It can't be based on the Z-film because Zapruder wasn't filming at the time you theorize the first shot was fired.
I pretty much concur with the rest of your conclusions although I would nitpick slightly over one of your time frames. I believe the second shot was fired at Z220 based on the camera jiggle at Z227. The head shot is the easiest to pinpoint and for that shot to have struck at Z313, it would have to have been fired at Z311. I would expect the same lag time between the shot being fired and Zapruder's jiggle reaction for all three shots since the distance between Oswald's rifle and Zapruder's ears was a constant. I believe that to be about 7 frames while acknowledging the true number is likely not an integer.
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When you have evidence that answers your inane questions, get back to us.
During this time period immediately following the kill shot, DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood is supposed to be the only motorcycle officer inside the railroad yard. This was gospel until I proved that this is Not Officer Haygood. (1) Who is this impostor? & (2) Where is his motorcycle? And, the kicker being that his present course has him heading directly toward the "getaway" car.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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During this time period immediately following the kill shot, DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood is supposed to be the only motorcycle officer inside the railroad yard. This was gospel until I proved that this is Not Officer Haygood. (1) Who is this impostor? & (2) Where is his motorcycle? And, the kicker being that his present course has him heading directly toward the "getaway" car.
All you did was reframe your previous questions.
You don't prove anything by raising questions. Proof requires you find answers to the questions you raise. So far, you are batting .000.
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All you did was reframe your previous questions.
You don't prove anything by raising questions. Proof requires you find answers to the questions you raise. So far, you are batting .000.
So are YOU rubber stamping that the above is DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood? In spite of: (1) The timestamped radio calls of 12:35 Haygood and 12:36 Harkness? (2) the Cancellare Photo showing Haygood standing atop the Triple Underpass with BOTH gloves on, and (3) Haygood's WC Testimony not mentioning his doing any of what we see this alleged motorcycle officer doing on the Darnell Film.
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So are YOU rubber stamping that the above is DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood? In spite of: (1) The timestamped radio calls of 12:35 Haygood and 12:36 Harkness? (2) the Cancellare Photo showing Haygood standing atop the Triple Underpass with BOTH gloves on, and (3) Haygood's WC Testimony not mentioning his doing any of what we see this alleged motorcycle officer doing on the Darnell Film.
I don't know or care if it is Officer Haygood. I have no desire to follow conspiracy hobbyists on their never ending snipe hunts which have produced nothing of importance for the last 62 years and won't during the next 62 years. I have told this to many conspiracy hobbyists over the last few decades. Your silly theories will die with you and you will have accomplished nothing with all your efforts.
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I don't know or care if it is Officer Haygood. I have no desire to follow conspiracy hobbyists on their never ending snipe hunts which have produced nothing of importance for the last 62 years and won't during the next 62 years. I have told this to many conspiracy hobbyists over the last few decades. Your silly theories will die with you and you will have accomplished nothing with all your efforts.
With your saying, "...I don't care...", your observations and opinions hold absolutely no standing. You have reduced yourself to being the equivalent of "flotsam and jetsam". You're merely "going with the flow". Which begs the question: Why Are You Here?
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With your saying, "...I don't care...", your observations and opinions hold absolutely no standing. You have reduced yourself to being the equivalent of "flotsam and jetsam". You're merely "going with the flow". Which begs the question: Why Are You Here?
Long ago I came to realize there was no point in trying to convince the conspiracy hobbyists of the folly of their endeavor. I do this for amusement only. I know it is a silly hobby but I'm retired and have lots of time to spend on silly things.
In 35 years of engaging in online forums, I know of only one conspiracy hobbyist whose mind was changed and he gave me some credit for his conversion. That was Bob Artwohl. Perhaps some of you have heard of him. There was a service called Prodigy back around the time Oliver Stone's movie came out and we had a very active group of both Nutters and Loons as we called each other. Michael T. Griffith was one of the more ardent Loons. I see him posting occasionally on this forum as well.
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Long ago I came to realize there was no point in trying to convince the conspiracy hobbyists of the folly of their endeavor. I do this for amusement only. I know it is a silly hobby but I'm retired and have lots of time to spend on silly things.
In 35 years of engaging in online forums, I know of only one conspiracy hobbyist whose mind was changed and he gave me some credit for his conversion. That was Bob Artwohl. Perhaps some of you have heard of him. There was a service called Prodigy back around the time Oliver Stone's movie came out and we had a very active group of both Nutters and Loons as we called each other. Michael T. Griffith was one of the more ardent Loons. I see him posting occasionally on this forum as well.
If you believe this Forum is a "silly thing", and you "do this for amusement only", why would anyone seriously consider anything that you post? You are disrespecting this Forum and everyone connected to it.
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If you believe this Forum is a "silly thing", and you "do this for amusement only", why would anyone seriously consider anything that you post? You are disrespecting this Forum and everyone connected to it.
I don't care if anyone takes my contributions seriously. Nothing we do or say here is going to move the needle of public opinion one iota.
You are wrong that I disrespect EVERYONE on the forum.
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I don't care if anyone takes my contributions seriously. Nothing we do or say here is going to move the needle of public opinion one iota.
You are wrong that I disrespect EVERYONE on the forum.
Not gonna discuss anything with a guy that describes this Forum as "silly". If you want "silly", go buy a Benny Hill DVD.
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Not gonna discuss anything with a guy that describes this Forum as "silly". If you want "silly", go buy a Benny Hill DVD.
The problem with silly people is they have no idea how silly they are.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
12:35 - DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood makes documented radio transmission from his motorcycle parked near the Triple Underpass
12:36 - DPD Officer Harkness makes a documented radio transmission. Harkness details being in the process of bringing a witness/Amos Euins to the TSBD. Officer Harkness then loads Euins into the car of Inspector Sawyer there in front of the TSBD. At this point, Harkness was instructed by Inspector Sawyer to secure the rear of the TSBD. This is what we see Officer Harkness doing in the above Darnell Film still frame.
For 62+ years, the above Darnell still frame has been timestamped as being 12:34. That 12:34 timestamp is Incorrect.
It is impossible for Officer Harkness to be pictured above, securing the rear of the TSBD at 12:34 PM. Harkness was ordered by Inspector Sawyer to secure the rear of the TSBD. Inspector Sawyer did Not arrive at the TSBD until 12:35 PM. Sawyer could only instruct Officer Harkness to secure the rear of the TSBD AFTER 12:35 PM. And, at 12:35 PM, Motorcycle Officer Haygood was making his documented radio transmission from his motorcycle near the Triple Underpass. The correct timestamp for the image above is 12:38. This means the motorcycle cop pictured above is NOT Officer Haygood. And Officer Haygood is the only known DPD Motorcycle cop to be inside the railroad yard immediately following the kill shot. Which begs the questions, (1) Who is this man masquerading as a DPD motorcycle cop back inside the railroad yard?, (2) Where did he come from? and, (3) Where is he going?
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After leaving the RR yard Murray stood on the grassy knoll and photographed the crowd gathered on N Elm, including the area near the parked motorcycle of Clyde Haygood. His helmet is visible in the photo near his bike. Murray also caught the north peristyle wall with an advancing shadow moving southward about 3-4” per minute. Modeling this wall shadow allows an estimation of the time as 12:36.
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My original posting on this technique can be found in this forum here.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2013.msg54679.html#google_vignette
The above further proves that the motorcycle cop on the Darnell Film still frame is NOT Officer Haygood. We see Officer Haygood above at 12:36 near his motorcycle at the Elm St curb. How can Officer Haygood be on that Darnell Still Frame with Officer Harkness? Harkness made a documented 12:36 radio transmission that he was bringing an eyewitness/Amos Euins to the TSBD. After doing this, Harkness then secured the rear of the TSBD. This is where we see Harkness above. Officer Harkness is securing the rear of the TSBD as the alleged Motorcycle Officer Haygood walks passed him. The above further proves Haygood can NOT be on the Darnell still frame. This is a Slam Dunk. That DPD Motorcycle Officer on the Darnell Film is an impostor.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
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It is physically impossible for Motorcycle Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness to be filmed together in the Darnell still frame above. That is Not Officer Haygood. The man wearing a DPD Motorcycle Officer's Uniform/White Helmet is an impostor. (1) Where did this impostor come from? (2) Who is he? (3) Where is his motorcycle? (4) Where is he going?
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
12:38 PM + No Glove + No 2 Wheel Motorcycle = NOT Motorcycle Officer Haygood. He is an impostor and heading directly toward the TSBD.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
SHANKS - I have proven that this is NOT Officer Haygood above. You claimed it was. Your current 0-4 record is sad to see. How about you take a break, and gather your thoughts? Basically take a "Standing 8 count". I take no pleasure in pummeling someone that is "out" on their feet.
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SHANKS - I have proven that this is NOT Officer Haygood above. You claimed it was. Your current 0-4 record is sad to see. How about you take a break, and gather your thoughts? Basically take a "Standing 8 count". I take no pleasure in pummeling someone that is "out" on their feet.
Your argument is silly in two ways. First of all, you haven't proven the officer is not Haygood. You have asserted it. You think because he had two gloves on in on photo precludes him from having taken on of the gloves off before the second photos was taken. Silly is as Silly does.
Second, even if the one gloved officer is not Haygood, that doesn't even come close to proving a conspiracy. You fail to consider the real possibility, actual the likelihood that it is another DPD officer whose name you don't know. Your failure to identify the officer is not proof of a conspiracy.
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Your argument is silly in two ways. First of all, you haven't proven the officer is not Haygood. You have asserted it. You think because he had two gloves on in on photo precludes him from having taken on of the gloves off before the second photos was taken. Silly is as Silly does.
Second, even if the one gloved officer is not Haygood, that doesn't even come close to proving a conspiracy. You fail to consider the real possibility, actual the likelihood that it is another DPD officer whose name you don't know. Your failure to identify the officer is not proof of a conspiracy.
Where have you been? The timeline of Officer Harkness DQ's this being Officer Haygood walking toward and then by him in the Darnell still frame. Officer Harkness being in this Darnell still frame, means the time is 12:38 PM. At 12:38 PM, Officer Haygood is back at his motorcycle near the triple underpass conducting eyewitness interviews. This is a FACT that I have Proven.
So YOU TELL ME: (1) Specifically, who is this Motorcycle Cop on the Darnell Film? (2) Where is his Motorcycle?
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
12:36 - Officer Harkness makes radio transmission that he is bringing an eyewitness/Amos Euins to the TSBD
12:37 - Officer Harkness helps load Amos Euins into the car of Inspector Sawyer in front of the TSBD
12:38 - Officer Harkness secures the back of the TSBD as instructed. This is where we see him above.
At 12:38 PM, Motorcycle Officer Haygood was back at his motorcycle near the Triple Underpass. He was conducting eyewitness interviews. The motorcycle cop above is NOT Officer Haygood. Who is this alleged Motorcycle Officer? Where did he come from? Where is his Motorcycle?
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Where have you been? The timeline of Officer Harkness DQ's this being Officer Haygood walking toward and then by him in the Darnell still frame. Officer Harkness being in this Darnell still frame, means the time is 12:38 PM. At 12:38 PM, Officer Haygood is back at his motorcycle near the triple underpass conducting eyewitness interviews. This is a FACT that I have Proven.
So YOU TELL ME: (1) Specifically, who is this Motorcycle Cop on the Darnell Film? (2) Where is his Motorcycle?
I don't need to answer those questions. You do. In the decades I have engaged with conspiracy hobbyists such as yourself, one of their favorite ploys is to raise a question, and if the answer is an unknown, they think they have made the case for conspiracy. You don't prove anything by raising questions. You have to find answers to questions and then explain how the answer proves conspiracy. Instead, conspiracy hobbyists take the position that if an answer is unknown, that empowers them to assume the answer means there was a conspiracy. That is a totally illogical approach, but it leads conspiracy hobbyists to the answer they wanted from the start.
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I don't need to answer those questions. You do.
Royell Storing can't answer them because he's not capable of considering other explanations and instead has decided that there were imposter policemen wandering around Dealey Plaza. Just laughable stuff.
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I don't need to answer those questions. You do. In the decades I have engaged with conspiracy hobbyists such as yourself, one of their favorite ploys is to raise a question, and if the answer is an unknown, they think they have made the case for conspiracy. You don't prove anything by raising questions. You have to find answers to questions and then explain how the answer proves conspiracy. Instead, conspiracy hobbyists take the position that if an answer is unknown, that empowers them to assume the answer means there was a conspiracy. That is a totally illogical approach, but it leads conspiracy hobbyists to the answer they wanted from the start.
I see you guys no longer Challenge my PROVING this is Not Motorcycle Officer Haygood. This is progress.
NOW that you have accepted my having dispatched the erroneous Officer Haygood ID, there are obvious questions which follow. How about we now discuss the bona fides surrounding this Alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop?
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I see you guys no longer Challenge my PROVING this is Not Motorcycle Officer Haygood. This is progress.
NOW that you have accepted my having dispatched the erroneous Officer Haygood ID, there are obvious questions which follow. How about we now discuss the bona fides surrounding this Alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop?
You're delusional if you construe my responses, and those of other intelligent people here, as in any way supporting your imposter police officer poppycock.
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You're delusional if you construe my responses, and those of other intelligent people here, as in any way supporting your imposter police officer poppycock.
So PROVE me wrong. That is the challenge I have issued. See the title of this thread? What are you waiting for? A bandwagon to jump on? A "back" for you to slap? Again, you have been here a long, long, time. Yet YOU, all by yourself, have done nothing. You like to "pot shot" others, but are afraid of having likewise done toward anything that YOU might Originate.
Somebody should have been exposed you a long time ago. Either proffer something of your own or put a sock in it.
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I see you guys no longer Challenge my PROVING this is Not Motorcycle Officer Haygood. This is progress.
NOW that you have accepted my having dispatched the erroneous Officer Haygood ID, there are obvious questions which follow. How about we now discuss the bona fides surrounding this Alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop?
We do not accept your claims of proof. It is an empty claim by you. We have no burden to disprove something you have never proven.
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We do not accept your claims of proof. It is an empty claim by you. We have no burden to disprove something you have never proven.
Do you see the title of this thread? It says, "PROVE Me Wrong". I offer: (1) documented timelines, and, (2) sworn testimonies. You offer absolutely No Evidence to refute these Facts. Why? Because you can't. Just because YOU "do not accept" it, doesn't mean squat.
You should be interested in just where this alleged motorcycle cop came from. But this is why this murder remains unsolved after 62+ years. People such as yourself simply do not have the JFK Assassination Foundational Knowledge to realize the other dominoes this impacts. And, it also brings back into the conversation the motorcycle(s) being testified to going up the grassy knoll. But again, YOU don't know squat about this too.
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12:36 - Officer Harkness makes radio transmission that he is bringing an eyewitness/Amos Euins to the TSBD
12:37 - Officer Harkness helps load Amos Euins into the car of Inspector Sawyer in front of the TSBD
12:38 - Officer Harkness secures the back of the TSBD as instructed. This is where we see him above.
At 12:38 PM, Motorcycle Officer Haygood was back at his motorcycle near the Triple Underpass. He was conducting eyewitness interviews. The motorcycle cop above is NOT Officer Haygood. Who is this alleged Motorcycle Officer? Where did he come from? Where is his Motorcycle?
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png)
12:32 Haywood at the top of triple overpass
12:33 Haywood talks to Tague
12:34 Haywood talks to another eyewitness
12:35 Haywood talks to dispatch
12:36 - Officer Harkness makes radio transmission that he is bringing an eyewitness/Amos Euins to the TSBD
12:37 Haywood on the radio asks to secure the TSBD and then makes his way to the rear of the TSBD by way of the railway yard
12:37 - Officer Harkness helps load Amos Euins into the car of Inspector Sawyer in front of the TSBD
12:38 - Officer Harkness secures the back of the TSBD as instructed. This is where we see him above.
12:38 Haywood while walking through the railyard is filmed by Darnell and is captured on film walking past Harkness.
The reason Haywood isn't wearing his glove is because he was using his right hand to use the radio and in his haste to get to the rear of the TSBD was carrying his right glove in his left hand.
Case Closed!
JohnM
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Do you see the title of this thread? It says, "PROVE Me Wrong". I offer: (1) documented timelines, and, (2) sworn testimonies. You offer absolutely No Evidence to refute these Facts. Why? Because you can't. Just because YOU "do not accept" it, doesn't mean squat.
You should be interested in just where this alleged motorcycle cop came from. But this is why this murder remains unsolved after 62+ years. People such as yourself simply do not have the JFK Assassination Foundational Knowledge to realize the other dominoes this impacts. And, it also brings back into the conversation the motorcycle(s) being testified to going up the grassy knoll. But again, YOU don't know squat about this too.
I have no obligation to meet your demands. I am content to point out how illogical your conclusions are. While you continue to make unsupported assertions, I have hard evidence that supports my stated beliefs. Essentially, those beliefs are that Oswald fired the shots that killed JFK and wounded JBC, that there is no credible evidence that anyone else fired a shot in Dealey Plaza on that day, that less than 45 minutes after killing JFK, Oswald shot and killed DPD officer J. D. Tippit who had stopped him for questioning. There is overwhelming forensic evidence that supports all of the above.
Now if you dispute my statement that there is no credible evidence that anyone other than Oswald took part in the assassination of JFK, please list your three best pieces of evidence that someone other than Oswald was complicit in the crime.
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I have issued this challenge countless times over the past 35 years on various forums. No one has been able to meet the challenge and few have tried. Of course you can choose to decline to meet my challenge, but since you are the one claiming there was a conspiracy, the burden is on you to support your claim. If you are unable to do so, you make it easy to ignore you.
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12:32 Haywood at the top of triple overpass
12:33 Haywood talks to Tague
12:34 Haywood talks to another eyewitness
12:35 Haywood talks to dispatch
12:36 - Officer Harkness makes radio transmission that he is bringing an eyewitness/Amos Euins to the TSBD
12:37 Haywood on the radio asks to secure the TSBD and then makes his way to the rear of the TSBD by way of the railway yard
12:37 - Officer Harkness helps load Amos Euins into the car of Inspector Sawyer in front of the TSBD
12:38 - Officer Harkness secures the back of the TSBD as instructed. This is where we see him above.
12:38 Haywood while walking through the railyard is filmed by Darnell and is captured on film walking past Harkness.
The reason Haywood isn't wearing his glove is because he was using his right hand to use the radio and in his haste to get to the rear of the TSBD was carrying his right glove in his left hand.
Case Closed!
JohnM
JOHN - You got your Haygood stuff wrong. Cancellare took a photo of Haygood standing atop the Triple Underpass. Haygood is wearing BOTH GLOVES in that photo. We next see the alleged Haygood on the Darnell film. He is near the end of the string of passenger train cars. Haygood is wearing ONLY 1 Glove in this Darnell Film footage. Somewhere between the top of the Triple Underpass and the end of the passenger train cars, the alleged Haygood removed a glove for some reason. The distance between the top of the Triple Underpass and the train cars would only be about 40 yds. Haygood used his radio AFTER he returned to his motorcycle. Haygood used the radio AFTER already having been filmed by Darnell wearing only 1 glove. Haygood did NOT Secure the rear of the TSBD. Officer Harkness secured the rear of the TSBD.
If you look closely at the (L) hand of the alleged Haygood, he is Not carrying a glove. A glove would Not steadily maintain its' shape as this individual walks across the railroad yard. The object in the (L) hand steadily maintains a cylinder-like shape. You probably need to examine a better definition Darnell Film. Ask Barber what he thinks he is seeing. Steve is extremely helpful with respect to the Darnell Film.
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JOHN - You got your Haygood stuff wrong. Cancellare took a photo of Haygood standing atop the Triple Underpass. Haygood is wearing BOTH GLOVES in that photo. We next see the alleged Haygood on the Darnell film. He is near the end of the string of passenger train cars. Haygood is wearing ONLY 1 Glove in this Darnell Film footage. Somewhere between the top of the Triple Underpass and the end of the passenger train cars, the alleged Haygood removed a glove for some reason. The distance between the top of the Triple Underpass and the train cars would only be about 40 yds. Haygood used his radio AFTER he returned to his motorcycle. Haygood used the radio AFTER already having been filmed by Darnell wearing only 1 glove. Haygood did NOT Secure the rear of the TSBD. Officer Harkness secured the rear of the TSBD.
If you look closely at the (L) hand of the alleged Haygood, he is Not carrying a glove. A glove would Not steadily maintain its' shape as this individual walks across the railroad yard. The object in the (L) hand steadily maintains a cylinder-like shape. You probably need to examine a better definition Darnell Film. Ask Barber what he thinks he is seeing. Steve is extremely helpful with respect to the Darnell Film.
Huh, you better reread ALL the testimony?
Haywood went back to his Motorcycle and as confirmed by Tague, Tague was talking to Haywood about 2-3 minutes after the assassination.
Mr. TAGUE. ..... And we walked up to the---by this time the motorcycle policeman returned back close to where his motorcycle was, and we walked up there and there was a man standing there. Seeing that he was very excited--I don't remember his name at the time I did have it on the tip of my tongue very excited saying he was watching the President and it seemed like his head just exploded. This was a couple or 3 minutes after this happened.
Then Haywood made some calls, the last being at 12:37, then Haywood said he went to the rear of the TSBD and obviously took the high road next to the railway cars when he passed Harkness.
Haygood did NOT Secure the rear of the TSBD. Officer Harkness secured the rear of the TSBD.
Irrelevant!
Mr. BELIN. What did you do then?
Mr. HAYGOOD. At that time I went to the School Building at the rear location of it, which would be
Mr. BELIN. To the back door?
Mr. HAYGOOD. North side of it, yes.
Mr. BELIN. Where that door leads out there to the dock?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Yes; on the northeast corner there.
Your insignificant evidence of a missing glove is real weak sauce because by the time Haygood is captured by Darnell is many minutes after he returned to his motorcycle.
The reason that Haywood removed his glove could have been to operate his radio or to take notes and then he rushed away to the rear of the TSBD and simply carried his glove.
The alternative of the "impostor" removing his glove or not even having one in the first place goes absolutely nowhere and so far you have not provided any sort of sensible narrative for your gloveless "imposter" whereas I just provided two very logical alternatives.
Sorry Royell but this "impostor" theory is dead in the water because the timed radio calls by both Haywood and Harkness @12:37 are precisely co-ordinated.
JohnM
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Huh, you better reread ALL the testimony?
Haywood went back to his Motorcycle and as confirmed by Tague, Tague was talking to Haywood about 2-3 minutes after the assassination.
Mr. TAGUE. ..... And we walked up to the---by this time the motorcycle policeman returned back close to where his motorcycle was, and we walked up there and there was a man standing there. Seeing that he was very excited--I don't remember his name at the time I did have it on the tip of my tongue very excited saying he was watching the President and it seemed like his head just exploded. This was a couple or 3 minutes after this happened.
Then Haywood made some calls, the last being at 12:37, then Haywood said he went to the rear of the TSBD and obviously took the high road next to the railway cars when he passed Harkness.
Irrelevant!
Mr. BELIN. What did you do then?
Mr. HAYGOOD. At that time I went to the School Building at the rear location of it, which would be
Mr. BELIN. To the back door?
Mr. HAYGOOD. North side of it, yes.
Mr. BELIN. Where that door leads out there to the dock?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Yes; on the northeast corner there.
Your insignificant evidence of a missing glove is real weak sauce because by the time Haygood is captured by Darnell is many minutes after he returned to his motorcycle.
The reason that Haywood removed his glove could have been to operate his radio or to take notes and then he rushed away to the rear of the TSBD and simply carried his glove.
The alternative of the "impostor" removing his glove or not even having one in the first place goes absolutely nowhere and so far you have not provided any sort of sensible narrative for your gloveless "imposter" whereas I just provided two very logical alternatives.
Sorry Royell but this "impostor" theory is dead in the water because the timed radio calls by both Haywood and Harkness @12:37 are precisely co-ordinated.
JohnM
John - Thanks for taking the time to give this Unknown Motorcycle Cop your attention. Your going out of your way to examine it reveals the importance of this issue.
As I understand your post above, the Darnell Film still frame showing Walthers, Harkness, and HAYGOOD together, is happening when Haygood went to secure the dock, the "northeast corner" of the TSBD. And, you are claiming we are seeing HAYGOOD, Walthers, and Harkness together, AFTER Haygood made his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle parked close to the Triple Underpass.
With respect to your claim above, you have forgotten the Darnell Film still frame showing HAYGOOD, Walthers, & Harkness together is the END of Darnell's filming of the string of passenger train cars. When we first see the Alleged HAYGOOD on this Darnell passenger train cars snippet, HAYGOOD is standing at the very END of the string of passenger train cars. We also see Walthers in front of him at this same time. From the END of this string of passenger train cars, we then see Haygood walking alongside these passenger train cars. Haygood is filmed walking past passenger train car by passenger train car. And Walthers is also walking in front of him. (Both Darnell and Martin film this). The walking along the string of train cars goes on until both Haygood and Walthers reach Harkness. All 3 of them are then filmed together. When we 1st see HAYGOOD on the Darnell Film, he is standing in front of the very last passenger train car. At this point, Haygood is far closer to the grassy knoll, the picket fence, and the parking lot, than he is to the "northeast corner" of the TSBD. If as you claim, we are seeing HAYGOOD going to secure the TSBD "Northeast Corner" dock area after making his 12:37 radio transmission, why is Haygood deep inside the railroad yard and closer to the Triple Underpass than the TSBD "Northeast Corner" loading dock? The TSBD "northeast corner" loading dock is close to Houston St. The Darnell Film shows Haygood being halfway across Dealey Plaza and deep inside the railroad yard. He is not close to TSBD "Northeast corner" loading dock. Again, your claim is that we are seeing Haygood in this location AFTER he made his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle that was parked at the Elm St curb close to the Triple Underpass. Darnell filmed Walthers at that last passenger train car, after Walthers climbed over the picket fence, crossed the parking lot on the other side of the picket fence, and then went back inside the railroad yard. Do you believe this is how Haygood got back inside the railroad yard after making his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St curb near the triple underpass? Do you believe Haygood climbed over the picket fence, or he climbed over the Triple Underpass AGAIN? And why would Haygood take this route if his intended destination was the TSBD "Northeast corner" loading dock? This route to the TSBD loading dock makes no sense.
On top of that, with Walthers being filmed with Haygood AFTER Haygood made his 12:37 radio transmission, you also have a timeline issue. Walthers was photo'd on the (S) side of Elm St checking out the manhole cover. In the background of that photo is the TSBD Clock. It reads 12:39. You have to get Walthers in this (S) Elm St position by 12:39. None of this fits.
If Haygood intended to go to the TSBD "Northeast corner" loading dock, (near Houston St), AFTER making his 12:37 radio transmission, why was he filmed by Darnell deep inside the railroad yard, close to the grassy knoll, picket fence, parking lot?
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John - Thanks for taking the time to give this Unknown Motorcycle Cop your attention. Your going out of your way to examine it reveals the importance of this issue.
Important to whom? Maybe you haven't noticed but our country is at war, there is a critical midterm coming up that will decide control of Congress, and dozens of issues Americans care a hell of a lot more about than anything that goes on in this and a handful of other forums. If you were to put a number on the percentage of people who still care about the JFKA, how many zeros would there be to the right of the decimal point?
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Important to whom? Maybe you haven't noticed but our country is at war, there is a critical midterm coming up that will decide control of Congress, and dozens of issues Americans care a hell of a lot more about than anything that goes on in this and a handful of other forums. If you were to put a number on the percentage of people who still care about the JFKA, how many zeros would there be to the right of the decimal point?
And I continue to ask, "Why are you here"?
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John - Thanks for taking the time to give this Unknown Motorcycle Cop your attention. Your going out of your way to examine it reveals the importance of this issue.
As I understand your post above, the Darnell Film still frame showing Walthers, Harkness, and HAYGOOD together, is happening when Haygood went to secure the dock, the "northeast corner" of the TSBD. And, you are claiming we are seeing HAYGOOD, Walthers, and Harkness together, AFTER Haygood made his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle parked close to the Triple Underpass.
With respect to your claim above, you have forgotten the Darnell Film still frame showing HAYGOOD, Walthers, & Harkness together is the END of Darnell's filming of the string of passenger train cars. When we first see the Alleged HAYGOOD on this Darnell passenger train cars snippet, HAYGOOD is standing at the very END of the string of passenger train cars. We also see Walthers in front of him at this same time. From the END of this string of passenger train cars, we then see Haygood walking alongside these passenger train cars. Haygood is filmed walking past passenger train car by passenger train car. And Walthers is also walking in front of him. (Both Darnell and Martin film this). The walking along the string of train cars goes on until both Haygood and Walthers reach Harkness. All 3 of them are then filmed together. When we 1st see HAYGOOD on the Darnell Film, he is standing in front of the very last passenger train car. At this point, Haygood is far closer to the grassy knoll, the picket fence, and the parking lot, than he is to the "northeast corner" of the TSBD. If as you claim, we are seeing HAYGOOD going to secure the TSBD "Northeast Corner" dock area after making his 12:37 radio transmission, why is Haygood deep inside the railroad yard and closer to the Triple Underpass than the TSBD "Northeast Corner" loading dock? The TSBD "northeast corner" loading dock is close to Houston St. The Darnell Film shows Haygood being halfway across Dealey Plaza and deep inside the railroad yard. He is not close to TSBD "Northeast corner" loading dock. Again, your claim is that we are seeing Haygood in this location AFTER he made his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle that was parked at the Elm St curb close to the Triple Underpass. Darnell filmed Walthers at that last passenger train car, after Walthers climbed over the picket fence, crossed the parking lot on the other side of the picket fence, and then went back inside the railroad yard. Do you believe this is how Haygood got back inside the railroad yard after making his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St curb near the triple underpass? Do you believe Haygood climbed over the picket fence, or he climbed over the Triple Underpass AGAIN? And why would Haygood take this route if his intended destination was the TSBD "Northeast corner" loading dock? This route to the TSBD loading dock makes no sense.
On top of that, with Walthers being filmed with Haygood AFTER Haygood made his 12:37 radio transmission, you also have a timeline issue. Walthers was photo'd on the (S) side of Elm St checking out the manhole cover. In the background of that photo is the TSBD Clock. It reads 12:39. You have to get Walthers in this (S) Elm St position by 12:39. None of this fits.
If Haygood intended to go to the TSBD "Northeast corner" loading dock, (near Houston St), AFTER making his 12:37 radio transmission, why was he filmed by Darnell deep inside the railroad yard, close to the grassy knoll, picket fence, parking lot?
The distances being travelled were not very far, you make out like they were trying to climb Everest!
By taking the following path from Haywood's bike to the first time he's seen in Darnell, is at the most about 60-70 yards.
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And the distance for Walthers to basically walk down and cross the road was about the same. If the time stamp was less than 12:37 then we might have trouble but every established event happened in chronological order and with enough time between to account for travelling!
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Mr. WALTHERS. And at that time I heard the shots as well as everybody else, but as we got over this fence, and a lot of officers and people were just rummaging through the train yards back in this parking area.
Mr. LIEBELER. In the parking area down there? West of the Texas School Book Depository Building between the Texas School Book Depository and the railroad tracks?
Mr. WALTHERS. Yes; and the discussion came up among several of the officers, "Were there any shots fired?" And I said, "Well, they sounded like rifle shots to me." At the time no one knew---in our crowd they were sure the shots had been fired though because of the reports---we heard the noise, and I left then and went back up here and came back onto the street.
Mr. LIEBELER. Up on Elm Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. And went over on this grassy area right in here [indicating].
Mr. LIEBELER. Between Elm Street and Main Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. Between Elm and Main and starting to looking at the grass to see if some shots had been fired and some of them might have chugged into this turf here and it would give an indication if some had really been, if they were really shots and not just blanks or something, and a man, and I couldn't tell you his name if my life depended on it---he had a car parked right here in Main Street---in the Main Street lane headed east, just under this underpass.
And as seen everyone was walking with some pace, it wasn't a Mother's meeting, they all were trying to find something, anything! But alas there was nothing to be found because all the action happened on the 6th floor of the TSBD and this is supported by ALL the evidence from the ballistic evidence through to the medical evidence.
(https://i.postimg.cc/05d8GMLT/Darnell-Haygood-Harkness.gif)
JohnM
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And I continue to ask, "Why are you here[, John Corbett]"?
Dear Royell,
He's here to "own" the Libtard CTs.
Why are you here?
Because Vladimir Putin sent you here to cause social discord?
--Tom
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And I continue to ask, "Why are you here"?
Because it is a subject that interests me. I gave up long ago thinking my efforts were going to move the needle of public opinion and that was back when the JFKA forums had far more followers than they do now. I may be painting with a broad brush but my guess is that the overwhelming percentage of contributors to these forums on both sides of the conspiracy question are Boomers who are old enough to remember the assassination when it happened.
We are now separated from the JFKA by as much time as the JFKA was separated from the McKinley assassination. I knew what happened to MicKinley but ii was just a brief passage in my history book. It was not something I had any real connection with. The Lincoln assassination seemed far more relevant to me. I doubt most young people today have any more connection to the JFKA as I did with the McKinley assassination. If they have any connection at all that is probably due to Oliver Stone's movie and that doesn't make them more informed, it makes them misinformed. I wonder how many Gen-Zerss have even seen that stinking pile of crap.
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And thanks to John Mytton, Royell Storing's nonsense about fake policeman has been demolished!
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The distances being travelled were not very far, you make out like they were trying to climb Everest!
By taking the following path from Haywood's bike to the first time he's seen in Darnell, is at the most about 60-70 yards.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3Jf54Z86/Haygood-Route.jpg)
And the distance for Walthers to basically walk down and cross the road was about the same. If the time stamp was less than 12:37 then we might have trouble but every established event happened in chronological order and with enough time between to account for travelling!
(https://i.postimg.cc/63TsTDGf/Walthers-12-39.jpg)
Mr. WALTHERS. And at that time I heard the shots as well as everybody else, but as we got over this fence, and a lot of officers and people were just rummaging through the train yards back in this parking area.
Mr. LIEBELER. In the parking area down there? West of the Texas School Book Depository Building between the Texas School Book Depository and the railroad tracks?
Mr. WALTHERS. Yes; and the discussion came up among several of the officers, "Were there any shots fired?" And I said, "Well, they sounded like rifle shots to me." At the time no one knew---in our crowd they were sure the shots had been fired though because of the reports---we heard the noise, and I left then and went back up here and came back onto the street.
Mr. LIEBELER. Up on Elm Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. And went over on this grassy area right in here [indicating].
Mr. LIEBELER. Between Elm Street and Main Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. Between Elm and Main and starting to looking at the grass to see if some shots had been fired and some of them might have chugged into this turf here and it would give an indication if some had really been, if they were really shots and not just blanks or something, and a man, and I couldn't tell you his name if my life depended on it---he had a car parked right here in Main Street---in the Main Street lane headed east, just under this underpass.
And as seen everyone was walking with some pace, it wasn't a Mother's meeting, they all were trying to find something, anything! But alas there was nothing to be found because all the action happened on the 6th floor of the TSBD and this is supported by ALL the evidence from the ballistic evidence through to the medical evidence.
(https://i.postimg.cc/05d8GMLT/Darnell-Haygood-Harkness.gif)
JohnM
The major problem with your story is that Haygood NEVER Testified that he made 2 separate trips back inside the railroad yard. Never! And why if his intended destination was the TSBD loading dock, would he go ALL the way back inside the railroad yard? He could have just exited the parking lot, hugged the Pergola, and then straight across to the loading dock/Houston St. And the 1,000 lb gorilla in the room is why Haygood would not just use his motorcycle to reach the TSBD loading dock off of Houston St? Why would Haygood climb the grassy knoll AGAIN, scale the Triple Underpass AGAIN, or climb over the picket fence, and then go deep into the railroad yard? Why not just use his motorcycle?
The Darnell Film clip you are using is why I asked you to check with Steve Barber regarding what the motorcycle cop is holding in his (L) hand. All things being relative, that Darnell copy is wanting. This limited definition is why you think he is holding a glove. Your seeing things blurred. And, I your copy has been sped up too. Watching it is kinda comical. It has a "fractured flickers" look to it. Buster Keatonish during his silent film years.
Barber previously posted a Darnell still frame, (now MIA), that had very good definition. The still frame he posted was a frame from the sequence where the motorcycle cop was walking past Officer Harkness. The motorcycle cop's (L) hand and whatever was in it was visible in that still frame. Maybe Steve has other Darnell still frames showing this (L) hand? The 2 of you might be able to figure out what is in that (L) hand by examining numerous frames? At a minimum, he can tell you what he see's on his Darnell copy,
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Barber previously posted a Darnell still frame, (now MIA), that had very good definition. The still frame he posted was a frame from the sequence where the motorcycle cop was walking past Officer Harkness. The motorcycle cop's (L) hand and whatever was in it was visible in that still frame. Maybe Steve has other Darnell still frames showing this (L) hand? The 2 of you might be able to figure out what is in that (L) hand by examining numerous frames? At a minimum, he can tell you what he see's on his Darnell copy,
"The 2 of you might be able to figure out..." - what is wrong with you, trying to "assign" things for other people on this forum to do for you? This is your ridiculous theory.. it's not the responsibility of other people to "help" you.
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"The 2 of you might be able to figure out..." - what is wrong with you, trying to "assign" things for other people on this forum to do for you? This is your ridiculous theory.. it's not the responsibility of other people to "help" you.
I have been researching the JFK Assassination for a very long time. Nobody that I am aware of has EVER claimed that Motorcycle Officer Haygood made 2 separate trips, on foot, deep inside the railroad yard. This is a new "claim", and I say "claim" because Haygood NEVER testified, NEVER said, NEVER wrote, that he made 2 separate trips inside the railroad yard. Hearing this absolutely New Claim after 62+ years, only makes obvious the factual strength of my groundbreaking revelation, "That ain't Motorcycle Officer Haygood on the Darnell Film".
With respect to "assign", (whatever you mean?), several of us do work together backstage on various JFK issues. I personally appreciate ALL the help I can get. I am sure John does too. Have you never worked on a "group" project? Within a group setting, there are select people that work exceptionally well together. In a group setting, there are also "source" material(s) issues which sometimes come into play. Not everyone may have examined the exact same "source" material relative to the issue under discussion.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
12:38 PM - What is this Unknown Motorcycle Cop holding in his (L) hand? As he walks, and pumps his arm, this object maintains a cylinder like shape. It does Not flop around like a glove would.
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12:38 PM - What is this Unknown Motorcycle Cop holding in his (L) hand? As he walks, and pumps his arm, this object maintains a cylinder like shape. It does Not flop around like a glove would.
A smoke grenade which he is prepared to pull the pin with his ungloved hand in the event they run into some unexpected crowd hysteria?
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12:38 PM - What is this Unknown Motorcycle Cop holding in his (L) hand? As he walks, and pumps his arm, this object maintains a cylinder like shape. It does Not flop around like a glove would.
Here's me holding my leather motorcycle glove, and what do you know, it looks a near exact match for size and shape as the glove seen being held by Haygood and when I shook it all about it had very little flex! And besides an "imposter" would be much more aware to carry out his charade dressed completely as a regular motorcycle cop whereas Haygood actually being a motorcycle cop and not knowing he would be heavily scrutinized by Royell 60+ years later couldn't give a stuff.
(https://i.postimg.cc/htrq2t2Q/glove-cylinder.jpg)
JohnM
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Here's me holding my leather motorcycle glove, and what do you know, it looks a near exact match for size and shape as the glove seen being held by Haygood and when I shook it all about it had very little flex! And besides an "imposter" would be much more aware to carry out his charade dressed completely as a regular motorcycle cop whereas Haygood actually being a motorcycle cop and not knowing he would be heavily scrutinized by Royell 60+ years later couldn't give a stuff.
(https://i.postimg.cc/htrq2t2Q/glove-cylinder.jpg)
JohnM
Seems like it would be taking an unnecessary risk for an imposter cop to be walking around with real cops several minutes after the assassin(s) have already probably escaped the scene entirely.
But let’s give Royell credit for discovering the only one glove cop in the whole area which hitherto has been completely unnoticed by hundreds of thousands of JFK enthusiasts over 60 years of inspecting every photo and film frame by frame.
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Here's me holding my leather motorcycle glove, and what do you know, it looks a near exact match for size and shape as the glove seen being held by Haygood and when I shook it all about it had very little flex! And besides an "imposter" would be much more aware to carry out his charade dressed completely as a regular motorcycle cop whereas Haygood actually being a motorcycle cop and not knowing he would be heavily scrutinized by Royell 60+ years later couldn't give a stuff.
(https://i.postimg.cc/htrq2t2Q/glove-cylinder.jpg)
JohnM
JOHN - You say you shook that glove "all about". As pictured, your wrist looks larger than the glove opening.
We have no idea what led this impostor to be without a glove. We also have no idea why Haygood would be without a glove either. Being this impostor is 1st seen at the rear of the string of train cars, I think whatever happened, happened right there. Whether inside a train car or on the other side of the train cars. As I have mentioned before, we do Not know what was on the other side of that string of train cars. We also can Not see inside the train cars.
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Seems like it would be taking an unnecessary risk for an imposter cop to be walking around with real cops several minutes after the assassin(s) have already probably escaped the scene entirely.
But let’s give Royell credit for discovering the only one glove cop in the whole area which hitherto has been completely unnoticed by hundreds of thousands of JFK enthusiasts over 60 years of inspecting every photo and film frame by frame.
ZEON - Thank you. I believe the job of this impostor cop was that of "crowd control" immediately after the kill shot. You notice on the Darnell Film, he trails directly behind Buddy Walthers and Roger Craig. Almost step for step as they move along the string of train cars. He's waving people away from the train cars or possibly the other side of the train cars. We have no idea what was directly behind or inside those passenger train cars immediately after the kill shot.
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JOHN - You say you shook that glove "all about". As pictured, your wrist looks larger than the glove opening.
We have no idea what led this impostor to be without a glove. We also have no idea why Haygood would be without a glove either. Being this impostor is 1st seen at the rear of the string of train cars, I think whatever happened, happened right there. Whether inside a train car or on the other side of the train cars. As I have mentioned before, we do Not know what was on the other side of that string of train cars. We also can Not see inside the train cars.
JOHN - You say you shook that glove "all about". As pictured, your wrist looks larger than the glove opening.
This is now getting ridiculous, the most practical way to carry the glove would be to do it as I have shown and the fact that your best comeback is to doubt my honesty, isn't very nice.
The following end on photo shows that my glove was simply doubled over, which just makes carrying the glove more comfortable, whereas your scenario seems to be a glove should be held in any specific way that distracts from your "theory".
(https://i.postimg.cc/m2wSgPVN/glove-cylinder-a.jpg)
We have no idea...
We also have no idea why Haygood...
we do Not know....
We also can Not see....
This perfectly sums up your conspiracy, you have taken an event which I have explained to you in intricate detail and given a logical plausible sequence of events and now you are just splitting the already split hairs. Your "imposter" theory as you have just repeatedly said has no reasonable explanation, like you said "you have no idea" and for that matter everyone, besides you, who has looked into this keeps telling you that it makes no sense and goes nowhere. Any potential assassins and their equipment would have been long gone, they would have jumped in a car and sped off and your latest theory of these "Boogey men" hiding in a stationary train car is just another desperate attempt to keep this silliness alive.
But in closing just let me repeat this very important fact, and repeat after me, "When your lone patsy is high and behind having ANY frontal shooter is real stoopid"!
JohnM
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This is now getting ridiculous, the most practical way to carry the glove would be to do it as I have shown and the fact that your best comeback is to doubt my honesty, isn't very nice.
The following end on photo shows that my glove was simply doubled over, which just makes carrying the glove more comfortable, whereas your scenario seems to be a glove should be held in any specific way that distracts from your "theory".
(https://i.postimg.cc/m2wSgPVN/glove-cylinder-a.jpg)
This perfectly sums up your conspiracy, you have taken an event which I have explained to you in intricate detail and given a logical plausible sequence of events and now you are just splitting the already split hairs. Your "imposter" theory as you have just repeatedly said has no reasonable explanation, like you said "you have no idea" and for that matter everyone, besides you, who has looked into this keeps telling you that it makes no sense and goes nowhere. Any potential assassins and their equipment would have been long gone, they would have jumped in a car and sped off and your latest theory of these "Boogey men" hiding in a stationary train car is just another desperate attempt to keep this silliness alive.
But in closing just let me repeat this very important fact, and repeat after me, "When your lone patsy is high and behind having ANY frontal shooter is real stoopid"!
JohnM
Storing probably hasn't taken into consideration the fact that motorcycle policemen I mean cops ride their motorcycles all year round in all kinds of weather, and since it gets cold in Dallas in the late fall, winter, and early spring months, it's reasonable to expect that Haygood's gloves were lined for warmth, thereby making them even more rigid when they're "doubled over" as the glove is in this photo.
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John - Thanks for the clarification regarding your DOUBLING OVER of the glove. It was not my intention to question your honesty. What do the fingers end of the glove look when the glove is DOUBLED OVER? To my eye, the Darnell still frame is showing the object in the Unknown Motorcycle Cop's (L) hand to be BLUNT on the top and the bottom.
You believe that Officer Haygood took the glove off to use his motorcycle radio and/or take notes. After he was done with the radio/note taking, why wouldn't Haygood simply put the glove back on? Why would he carry the glove from the Elm St curb, back into the railroad yard, and then carry it all the way over to the TSBD Houston St dock? This Unknown Motorcycle Cop would be choosing to occupy a free hand for an extended period of time, in the face of an active shooter being at large. That object does not look like a glove, nor does it make sense for Haygood to choose to carry a glove across Dealey Plaza.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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Storing probably hasn't taken into consideration the fact that motorcycle policemen I mean cops ride their motorcycles all year round in all kinds of weather, and since it gets cold in Dallas in the late fall, winter, and early spring months, it's reasonable to expect that Haygood's gloves were lined for warmth, thereby making them even more rigid when they're "doubled over" as the glove is in this photo.
There's a Blowup of the Darnell still frame on the thread, "Who Were the Two Men Heading Down the Stairs". The object in the Unknown Motorcycle Cop's (L) hand is BLUNT on both ends. This rules out fingers being on one end of this object. I also do not believe the object is long enough to be a motorcycle glove
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Seems like it would be taking an unnecessary risk for an imposter cop to be walking around with real cops several minutes after the assassin(s) have already probably escaped the scene entirely.
But let’s give Royell credit for discovering the only one glove cop in the whole area which hitherto has been completely unnoticed by hundreds of thousands of JFK enthusiasts over 60 years of inspecting every photo and film frame by frame.
Seems like it would be taking an unnecessary risk for an imposter cop to be walking around with real cops several minutes after the assassin(s) have already probably escaped the scene entirely.
Try telling that to Royell.
But let’s give Royell credit for discovering the only one glove cop in the whole area which hitherto has been completely unnoticed by hundreds of thousands of JFK enthusiasts over 60 years of inspecting every photo and film frame by frame.
This motorcycle cop at parkland was using his radio gloveless, other hand unseen.
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QbKJV86/Dallas-Motorcycle-cop-at-Parkland-gloveless.jpg)
This motorcycle cop next to the Kennedy Limo appears to be gloveless.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fg25PDm/Dallas-Motorcycle-cop-motorcade-maybe-gloveless.jpg)
These motorcycle cops leading the motorcade are gloveless.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hk7X73CF/motorcycle-cops-lead-motorcade-gloveless.jpg)
This motorbike cop at the crime scene is gloveless.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QMYDGgFh/Dallas-Motorcycle-cop-in-Dallas-gloveless.jpg)
So as can be seen, Dallas motorcycle cops were not welded to their gloves and the reason why Haygood was carrying his right glove needs no complicated explanation because any number of reasons are reasonable, like for instance as above Haygood removed his glove to to easily operate his radio and in his haste to reach the rear of the TSBD quickly, simply carried it.
JohnM
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JOHN - Yes, I am aware of DPD Motorcycle Cops that elect to NOT wear BOTH GLOVES. A cop choosing not to wear both gloves, is very different than a cop wearing both gloves and then taking 1 Glove off for an extended period of time. I still find it difficult to believe that a DPD Cop standing near the Triple Underpass would remove 1 of his gloves, and then carry that glove from Elm St into the train yard and then all the way over the the TSBD Houston St dock. Why wouldn't the cop just put the removed glove back on in the face of an active shooter being at large?
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I still find it difficult to believe that a DPD Cop standing near the Triple Underpass would remove 1 of his gloves, and then carry that glove from Elm St into the train yard and then all the way over the the TSBD Houston St dock. Why wouldn't the cop just put the removed glove back on in the face of an active shooter being at large?
Who cares what you personally find "hard to believe" ? That in no way means there is an imposter policeman roaming around Dealey Plaza and freely mixing with other "real" policemen. Your theory has been destroyed.. face it !
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JOHN - Yes, I am aware of DPD Motorcycle Cops that elect to NOT wear BOTH GLOVES. A cop choosing not to wear both gloves, is very different than a cop wearing both gloves and then taking 1 Glove off for an extended period of time. I still find it difficult to believe that a DPD Cop standing near the Triple Underpass would remove 1 of his gloves, and then carry that glove from Elm St into the train yard and then all the way over the the TSBD Houston St dock. Why wouldn't the cop just put the removed glove back on in the face of an active shooter being at large?
Why don't you ask him. Better yet, try opening your mind to other possible explanations for his actions other than the most bizarre one.
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Who cares what you personally find "hard to believe" ? That in no way means there is an imposter policeman roaming around Dealey Plaza and freely mixing with other "real" policemen. Your theory has been destroyed.. face it !
The 62+ yr old timelines of Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness and Buddy Walthers are Facts. Those timelines make Haygood being filmed with Harkness and Walthers impossible. Those timelines prove, "That ain't Haygood".
Are you buying into that Unknown Motorcycle Cop holding a glove? The blown up image showing that object in his hand looks Blunt/Squared Off on both ends. The fingers on the end of a glove would rule out a blunt end. And what do you think the length of the object he is holding is? Maybe 6 inches at best? From the end of my middle finger to my wrist is 7 inches. Measure you own hand and see what you get. And look at the glove that Mytton submitted. How long do you think that motorcycle glove is? The Mytton motorcycle glove is far longer than what we are seeing in the (L) hand of that Unknown Motorcycle Cop on the Darnell film.
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Why don't you ask him. Better yet, try opening your mind to other possible explanations for his actions other than the most bizarre one.
My mind is "open". But I do need fact(s). The Officer Haygood making an on foot 2nd trip back inside the Railroad Yard has absolutely Nothing to support it. Nothing. And on top of that, Haygood himself Never testified, said, or wrote that he went back inside the Railroad Yard a 2nd time AFTER he returned to his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb. The Haygood 2nd trip stuff has no factual foundation.
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I’ve never seen anybody who carries one glove rolled up like JohnM showed, but I guess it’s possible. Maybe I need to get out and about more often and observe police officers in action. I should have been able seen this in 65 years and I’ve seen a lot of motorcycle riders in my area maybe I wasn’t paying attention and missed the rolled up glove detail.
Those other barehanded cops, is there any indication where on their person they are carrying their pair of gloves? Probably the side pants pocket budging would be an indication the gloves were in the pocket which is most likely place.
So One Glove Cop taking one glove off the hand so he could more quickly remove his revolver from holster, if necessary , may be a plausable explanation , however the firing of the revolver as trained in cop school would be to use both hands , so its sort of odd to carry around the glove rolled up the other hand when it would have been easier to just put it in a pants pocket, thus no possible interference.
I’m not sure if this particular cop followed the standard police 2 handed method of shooting or if he was a Clint Eastwood fan and practiced to shoot with just one hand.
Until JohnM can find another cop with one glove off ( and rolled up ) and one glove on, Royell still gets credit for discovering at least an interesting phenomenon ( along with the mystery car parked in the no parking spot).
Without CTs, ( and Skeptics ) it would get rather dull here at JFK Forum just agreeing all the time with LNs lol.
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My mind is "open". But I do need fact(s). The Officer Haygood making an on foot 2nd trip back inside the Railroad Yard has absolutely Nothing to support it. Nothing. And on top of that, Haygood himself Never testified, said, or wrote that he went back inside the Railroad Yard a 2nd time AFTER he returned to his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb. The Haygood 2nd trip stuff has no factual foundation.
You thinking is bassackwards. Just because there is no evidence Haygood went back for a second trip to the rail yard (other than the film in question) you conclude he didn't go back. Did you ever consider the possibility that the reason he didn't testify to going back was he was not asked about it. There is a principle you need to understand. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It's an important principle.
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You thinking is bassackwards. Just because there is no evidence Haygood went back for a second trip to the rail yard (other than the film in question) you conclude he didn't go back. Did you ever consider the possibility that the reason he didn't testify to going back was he was not asked about it. There is a principle you need to understand. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It's an important principle.
The only reason the Haygood 2nd trip through the train yard was suddenly dreamed up after 62+ years, is because I conclusively proved that the Darnell film segment showing Haygood with Officer Harkness and Buddy Walters had a timestamp of 12:38 PM. With Haygood having made a 12:35 transmission from his motorcycle, this made Haygood being with Harkness and Walters impossible. This mandated that Haygood 2nd trip into the train yard. Like I said previously, if Haygood was making that 2nd trip into the trainyard in order to reach the TSBD Houston St loading dock, why did he go all the way back to the string of passenger train cars? When we 1st see this cop on the Darnell Film, he is deeper inside the train yard than Roger Craig and Buddy Walthers. He is even at the very end of the train cars. And if you look at a good copy of the Darnell film, this cop is moving DOWNWARD/toward Elm St from that string of train cars. This is how extremely close to that string of train cars this alleged cop is when we see him for the very 1st time. If this motorcycle cop is heading for the TSBD Houston St loading dock as is claimed, he did not need to go this extremely deep into the train yard. That string of train cars is well above the TSBD. And why didn't this cop just use his motorcycle to arrive at the TSBD Houston St loading dock? Why? Because this "cop" did Not have a motorcycle. "That Ain't Haygood".
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I’ve never seen anybody who carries one glove rolled up like JohnM showed, but I guess it’s possible. Maybe I need to get out and about more often and observe police officers in action. I should have been able seen this in 65 years and I’ve seen a lot of motorcycle riders in my area maybe I wasn’t paying attention and missed the rolled up glove detail.
Those other barehanded cops, is there any indication where on their person they are carrying their pair of gloves? Probably the side pants pocket budging would be an indication the gloves were in the pocket which is most likely place.
So One Glove Cop taking one glove off the hand so he could more quickly remove his revolver from holster, if necessary , may be a plausable explanation , however the firing of the revolver as trained in cop school would be to use both hands , so its sort of odd to carry around the glove rolled up the other hand when it would have been easier to just put it in a pants pocket, thus no possible interference.
I’m not sure if this particular cop followed the standard police 2 handed method of shooting or if he was a Clint Eastwood fan and practiced to shoot with just one hand.
Until JohnM can find another cop with one glove off ( and rolled up ) and one glove on, Royell still gets credit for discovering at least an interesting phenomenon ( along with the mystery car parked in the no parking spot).
Without CTs, ( and Skeptics ) it would get rather dull here at JFK Forum just agreeing all the time with LNs lol.
Zeon - Thanks again. In my opinion, that's no glove the alleged cop is carrying in his (L) hand. It's not close to being long enough to be a motorcycle glove. And where is there any trace of the fingers on this alleged glove? I think people are looking at low definition copies of the Darnell film. This low definition blurs the object the cop is holding. Better definition Darnell film copies show the object to flat/blunt on both ends. And maybe 6 inches long max. That object is definitely not a motorcycle cop's glove.
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That object is definitely not a motorcycle cop's glove.
And you're definitely not a researcher whose crazy theories hold any water whatsoever! But keep telling yourself otherwise..
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And you're definitely not a researcher whose crazy theories hold any water whatsoever! But keep telling yourself otherwise..
"Hold any water"? Why do you think the Officer Haygood making a 2nd trip into the railroad yard was suddenly cooked up after 62+ years? It is in response to my have attached a rock solid 12:38 PM Timeline to the Darnell still frame showing Officer Harkness, + Buddy Walthers, + The Alleged Officer Haygood. I have been banging away at the "That Ain't Haygood" issue for 2 yrs now. My recent discoveries of the documented Officer Harkness 12:36 radio transmission, and Inspector Sawyer NOT arriving at the TSBD until 12:35 PM, are the straws that broke this camel's back. "That Ain't Haygood" = Conspiracy has 'em scrambling.
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"Hold any water"? Why do you think the Officer Haygood making a 2nd trip into the railroad yard was suddenly cooked up after 62+ years? It is in response to my have attached a rock solid 12:38 PM Timeline to the Darnell still frame showing Officer Harkness, + Buddy Walthers, + The Alleged Officer Haygood. I have been banging away at the "That Ain't Haygood" issue for 2 yrs now. My recent discoveries of the documented Officer Harkness 12:36 radio transmission, and Inspector Sawyer NOT arriving at the TSBD until 12:35 PM, are the straws that broke this camel's back. "That Ain't Haygood" = Conspiracy has 'em scrambling.
In 35 years of dealing with conspiracy hobbyists, your the first one who I've ever come across who even made an issue about Haygood. What reason would anyone else have had to cook up an explanation for Haygood's movements. You are a cult of one with your fixation about this. Nobody else cares. And nobody else ever will.
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In 35 years of dealing with conspiracy hobbyists, your the first one who I've ever come across who even made an issue about Haygood. What reason would anyone else have had to cook up an explanation for Haygood's movements. You are a cult of one with your fixation about this. Nobody else cares. And nobody else ever will.
You just saw how important, "That Ain't Haygood", is with the baseless claim now being made that Haygood made a 2nd trip into the railroad yard and that 2nd trip is what Darnell filmed. And you also fail to comprehend the ramifications of an Unknown Motorcycle Cop roaming across the railroad yard immediately after the kill shot. The entirely baseless claim of Haygood making a 2nd trip into the railroad yard is indicative of a Defcon 1 setting. LN's understand that the fact proven "That Ain't Haygood" discovery is seismic.
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You just saw how important, "That Ain't Haygood",
Because you say so.
is with the baseless claim now being made that Haygood made a 2nd trip into the railroad yard and that 2nd trip is what Darnell filmed.
You take the silly position that if we can't prove the officer in the Darnell film is Haygood, then it couldn't have been Haygood. If there is no proof who the officer is in the Darnell film, then it is illogical to conclude that it is not Haygood. Your "evidence" is that Haygood is seen earlier with two gloves on and the officer in the Darnell film only has one glove on. As if that establishes it could not be Haygood. As if Haygood would have had no reason to take one of his gloves off. If you are going to demand we prove why Haygood would have taken a glove off, don't you need a reason for the officer in the Darnell film to have taken one of his gloves off? Why does one need proof and not the other?
And you also fail to comprehend the ramifications of an Unknown Motorcycle Cop roaming across the railroad yard immediately after the kill shot. The entirely baseless claim of Haygood making a 2nd trip into the railroad yard is indicative of a Defcon 1 setting. LN's understand that the fact proven "That Ain't Haygood" discovery is seismic.
You have proven nothing but your own inability to understand what constitutes proof. You have not proven that officer is not Haygood. At best, you have established that the officer's identity is an open question which means it might or might not be Haygood. Even if it is not Haygood, it just means that some other unidentified cop went into the rail yard. That is a long way from being proof of a conspiracy, but since you have no real evidence of a conspiracy, you latch on to nonsense such as this.
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You are going ostrich and ignoring the solid timelines of Officer Harkness and Buddy Walthers. Both of which Darnell filmed with this "Unknown Motorcycle Cop".
The LN's understand the conspiracy ramifications of my fact based work. Hence, the totally unfounded claim of Haygood going deep into the railroad yard for a 2nd time. I have never seen anything so absurdly knee-jerk outta them. But, this is what you get with a ground breaking fact based discovery. "That Ain't Haygood" is rippling through the LN Community as we speak. And the conspiracy crowd is also now involved. Just so you ostrich's know.
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You are going ostrich and ignoring the solid timelines of Officer Harkness and Buddy Walthers. Both of which Darnell filmed with this "Unknown Motorcycle Cop".
The LN's understand the conspiracy ramifications of my fact based work. Hence, the totally unfounded claim of Haygood going deep into the railroad yard for a 2nd time. I have never seen anything so absurdly knee-jerk outta them. But, this is what you get with a ground breaking fact based discovery. "That Ain't Haygood" is rippling through the LN Community as we speak. And the conspiracy crowd is also now involved. Just so you ostrich's know.
Your whole premise is base on the ridiculous assumption that "Unknown Motorcycle Cop" has to be an imposter. You arbitrarily dismiss the far more likely explanations that the cop could be Haygood after taking one of his gloves off or that it could be a different unidentified DPD cop. That is a completely illogical assumption. You have no evidence the cop is an impostor. It is an argument you have pulled out of thin air.
Have you ever bothered to ask yourself one simple question? What reason would the conspirators have had for putting an impostor cop in the railroad yard behind the GK. What could he have possibly been doing that would have aided the conspiracy in any way? What evidence do you have that he did what you imagined he was put there for? I eagerly await your answers to these questions.
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This image of Haygood shows the length of his glove. Note the skin where the glove ends at the wrist:
https://ibb.co/0jYVYjBj
This image shows Haygood carrying his glove. Note that the front end of the glove he is carrying is not "blunt":
(http://)https://ibb.co/TM73dkBw
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This image of Haygood shows the length of his glove. Note the skin where the glove ends at the wrist:
(http://)https://ibb.co/0jYVYjBj
Steve, can you offer any further opinion on Royell Storing's imposter Officer Haygood theory, as well as his claim that a "getaway" car was parked illegally in Dealey Plaza for hours after the shooting?
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Steve, can you offer any further opinion on Royell Storing's imposter Officer Haygood theory, as well as his claim that a "getaway" car was parked illegally in Dealey Plaza for hours after the shooting?
Hi Tommy,
I saw that thread and decided to ignore it. To me it's too subjective.
I believe it's Haygood, and that there's no proof that he is walking to the TSBD instead of walking back to his parked motorcycle on Elm Street. He is walking straight ahead, toward the pergola as seen in the Darnell footage, and most likely walked between the pergola and the stockade fence then took the steps down to his motorcycle on the street.
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This image of Haygood shows the length of his glove. Note the skin where the glove ends at the wrist:
https://ibb.co/0jYVYjBj
This image shows Haygood carrying his glove. Note that the front end of the glove he is carrying is not "blunt":
(http://)https://ibb.co/TM73dkBw
Steve - Come on now. You and I know that you have access to better Darnell images than your posted Blurry Image of whatever that is. That Blurry mess could easily be behind him. The blown up image on the Thread "Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?" gives us a much more defined view of that object in The Unknown Cop's (L) hand
I notice you did Not comment on this recent claim of Motorcycle Officer Haygood making a 2nd trip into the railroad yard. ;D
You can Not get around the documented timelines of Motorcycle Officer Haygood, Officer Harkness, Inspector Sawyer, and Buddy Walthers. It is physically impossible for Haygood, Harkness, and Walthers to be filmed together at 12:34 PM. Inspector Sawyer arrived at the TSBD at 12:35. Officer Harkness made a 12:36 radio call and after that helped load Amos Euins into Sawyer's car. Harkness then established that security check point. This security check point is where Darnell filmed Harkness, Buddy Walthers, and the Unknown Motorcycle Cop together. We can not be seeing the 3 of them together at 12:34 PM. That is Impossible. The time of that Troika being filmed together is 12:38. At 12:38, Officer Haygood was back at his motorcycle at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass. Haygood made his final radio transmission from his motorcycle at 12:37. It is physically impossible for Motorcycle Officer Haygood to be a member of this Troika on the Darnell Film. Radio transmissions are radio transmissions, and timelines are timelines. Facts are Facts!
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Bobby Hargis’ testimony indicates that he was in that area about the time that the TSBD was finally sealed. From his testimony to the WC:
… so, I came back to the Texas School Book Depository. At that time it seemed like the activity was centered around the Texas School Book Depository, so, that is when I heard someone say, one of the sergeants or lieutenants, I don't know, "Don't let any- one out of the Texas School Book Depository," and so, I went to a gap that had not been filled, which was at the southwest corner. Mr. STERN. And you remained there until you were relieved? Mr. HARGIS. Yes.
I have drawn a yellow circle around the area that is the southwest corner of the TSBD. Isn’t this the area where the motorcycle cop in question was filmed?
(https://i.vgy.me/8IXkAj.jpg)
The Red Outlined Officer Haygood Route has Suddenly been changed. The NEW CLAIM is that Haygood's destination was the TSBD Houston St loading dock. That dock would be on the extreme upper (L) of this photo. Why would Haygood choose to WALK All the way over to this loading dock, when he could ride his motorcycle over there and secure this area much quicker? Answer = That Ain't Haygood. This alleged motorcycle cop does Not have a motorcycle.
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Why would Haygood choose to WALK All the way over to this loading dock, when he could ride his motorcycle over there and secure this area much quicker? Answer = That Ain't Haygood. This alleged motorcycle cop does Not have a motorcycle.
You seem to think that the more times you repeat this empty, nonsensical theory, the more it will make sense. It doesn't. Give up, man.
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You seem to think that the more times you repeat this empty, nonsensical theory, the more it will make sense. It doesn't. Give up, man.
"Walk This Way" (Aerosmith)
What does Not "make sense" is this alleged "MOTORCYCLE" Cop electing to WALK from the Triple Underpass, WALK deep into the railroad yard, and then WALK clear over to the TSBD Houston St Dock.
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"Walk This Way" (Aerosmith)
What does Not "make sense" is this alleged "MOTORCYCLE" Cop electing to WALK from the Triple Underpass, WALK deep into the railroad yard, and then WALK clear over to the TSBD Houston St Dock.
If Haygood left his motorcycle at Elm St. and went to search the rail yard on foot, why would you think it wouldn't make sense to continue on foot to the loading dock. Do you think he would have saved time going back to Elm St. with all the activity that was going on in front of the TSBD and go the wrong way on Elm St. to get to Houston? You come up with some really bizarre ideas.
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If Haygood left his motorcycle at Elm St. and went to search the rail yard on foot, why would you think it wouldn't make sense to continue on foot to the loading dock. Do you think he would have saved time going back to Elm St. with all the activity that was going on in front of the TSBD and go the wrong way on Elm St. to get to Houston? You come up with some really bizarre ideas.
You're falling behind. Mytton has made the claim that Haygood made 2 Trips back inside the railroad yard. He claims this alleged 2nd trip into the railroad yard was filmed by Darnell. And this 2nd trip, (on foot, while carrying an alleged motorcycle glove the entire way), ended at the TSBD Houston St dock.
My response to this absolutely baseless claim is, why wouldn't Haygood just put the alleged motorcycle glove back on and ride his motorcycle over to the TSBD Houston St Dock?
The documented radio transmissions of Haygood - 12:35 and Harkness - 12:36 proving that there was an Unknown Motorcycle Cop roaming deep inside the railroad yard, ties in well with the Rob Reiner JFK Assassination series. All of this has the LN Community on tilt. This alleged Haygood 2nd trip into the railroad yard shows their currently hopeless position.
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You're falling behind. Mytton has made the claim that Haygood made 2 Trips back inside the railroad yard. He claims this alleged 2nd trip into the railroad yard was filmed by Darnell. And this 2nd trip, (on foot, while carrying an alleged motorcycle glove the entire way), ended at the TSBD Houston St dock.
My response to this absolutely baseless claim is, why wouldn't Haygood just put the alleged motorcycle glove back on and ride his motorcycle over to the TSBD Houston St Dock?
The documented radio transmissions of Haygood - 12:35 and Harkness - 12:36 proving that there was an Unknown Motorcycle Cop roaming deep inside the railroad yard, ties in well with the Rob Reiner JFK Assassination series. All of this has the LN Community on tilt. This alleged Haygood 2nd trip into the railroad yard shows their currently hopeless position.
Did you ever consider the possibility that after searching the rail yard, he was closer to the loading dock than he was to his motorcycle. I have not studied this issue because I really don't care. Your ramblings haven't made me the least bit curious about Haygood's movements and whether or not he is the cop seen with one glove off. You are trying to find significance in the most insignificant things. Dissuading you from your delusions is a task I will pass on.
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You admit, "I have not studied this issue....". THIS is obvious. You also have no idea as to the distance between landmarks back inside the railroad yard and the TSBD Houston St Loading Dock. You are yet another that simply will Not do the required research. Yet, you make claims lacking the necessary foundational knowledge to support those opinions. Research is work. You gotta be willing to do this work. There is no excuse for your laziness.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
12:35 - Officer Haygood makes HIS documented radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St Curb near the Triple Underpass.
12:35 - Inspector Sawyer arrives at the TSBD
12:36 - Officer Harkness makes his documented radio transmission that he is bringing a witness/ Amos Euins to the TSBD.
12:37 - Officer Harkness helps load Amos Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car in front of the TSBD.
12:37 - Officer Haygood makes his FINAL radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass.
12:38 - Officer Harkness secures the area behind the TSBD. (This is where we see him above)
It is physically impossible for Officer Haygood to be filmed with Officer Harkness at 12:38. At 12:38 Officer Haygood was back at his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb. He was conducting interviews there. It is physically impossible for Officer Haygood to be in 2 different places at the same time.
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12:35 - Officer Haygood makes HIS documented radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St Curb near the Triple Underpass.
12:35 - Inspector Sawyer arrives at the TSBD
12:36 - Officer Harkness makes his documented radio transmission that he is bringing a witness/ Amos Euins to the TSBD.
12:37 - Officer Harkness helps load Amos Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car in front of the TSBD.
12:37 - Officer Haygood makes his FINAL radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass.
12:38 - Officer Harkness secures the area behind the TSBD. (This is where we see him above)
It is physically impossible for Officer Haygood to be filmed with Officer Harkness at 12:38. At 12:38 Officer Haygood was back at his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb. He was conducting interviews there. It is physically impossible for Officer Haygood to be in 2 different places at the same time.
I still have no idea why you find any of this the least bit significant.
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I still have no idea why you find any of this the least bit significant.
A man masquerading as a motorcycle cop fits in with the findings of the Rob Reiner JFK Assassination series.
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A man masquerading as a motorcycle cop fits in with the findings of the Rob Reiner JFK Assassination series.
Good lord nobody is "masquerading" as a motorcycle cop. NOBODY believes this nonsense.
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Good lord nobody is "masquerading" as a motorcycle cop. NOBODY believes this nonsense.
Roy thinks he's discovered something that armies of conspiracy hacks overlooked for 6+ decades. He probably thinks this is his ticket to fame and fortune. I hope he doesn't quit his day job.
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I have been steadily working on this Bogus Motorcycle Cop for 2+ years. Even in the face of the brickbats thrown at me around here. The Rob Reiner JFK Assassination series gave me the encouragement I needed. His work and mine are part of the same chorus. The assassination of JFK was a very well planned conspiracy.
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
This is Not going away.
12:35 - Motorcycle Officer Haygood makes a documented radio transmission from his motorcycle parked near the Triple Underpass
12:37 - Motorcycle Officer Haygood makes his Final documented radio transmission from his motorcycle parked near the Triple Underpass.
12:35 - Inspector Sawyer parks his car in front of the TSBD.
12:36 - Officer Harkness makes a documented radio transmission that he is bringing an eyewitness/Amos Euins to the TSBD
12:37 - Officer Harkness helps load Amos Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car in front of the TSBD.
12:38 - Officer Harkness secures the back of the TSBD. (as pictured above)
12:39 - Buddy Walthers is photographed standing on the (S) side of Elm St near the manhole cover.
The Darnell still frame above was taken at 12:38 pm. It is physically impossible for Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness to be filmed together at 12:38 PM. At 12:38, Officer Haygood was back at his motorcycle near the Triple Underpass.
This alleged motorcycle cop, (white helmet), is an impostor. He has No Motorcycle. And, he is NOW holding something in his (L) hand. He was Not holding this object when we 1st see him walking along the string of passenger train cars on the Darnell Film.
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Who said that Haygood used the radio on his own motorcycle? By 12:35, both Harkness and King had their three-wheelers on top of the rail yard. One of them is seen riding around in the rail yard in the Hughes film. He could have just borrowed their radios
I recommend that you read the WC Testimony of Haygood. Haygood makes it clear that at 12:35 PM he used the Radio on his Motorcycle parked close to the Triple Underpass. You are looking for anything and everything to try and disprove this Major Discovery. That Ain't Haygood.
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After leaving the RR yard Murray stood on the grassy knoll and photographed the crowd gathered on N Elm, including the area near the parked motorcycle of Clyde Haygood. His helmet is visible in the photo near his bike. Murray also caught the north peristyle wall with an advancing shadow moving southward about 3-4” per minute. Modeling this wall shadow allows an estimation of the time as 12:36.
(https://i.imgur.com/XwcN8Cr.jpeg)
My original posting on this technique can be found in this forum here.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2013.msg54679.html#google_vignette
And here on the (R) is Officer Haygood at his motorcycle near the Triple Underpass at the 12:35 time period. Thanks to my good friend "The Professor" for helping to prove that Todd was wrong once again.
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Haygood standing on the overpass wall.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Cancellare%20Gallery/cancellareunger_small.jpg)
More motorcycle cops near the underpass.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Bond%20Gallery/bond4_annotated_small.jpg)
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Haygood seen in Bond at the underpass wall.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Bond%20Gallery/bond6crop3_small.jpg)
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Cancellare Crop showing Haygood standing on the overpass wall.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZKp6DdGC/Screenshot-2026-04-25-104114.png)
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Walthers / Haygood / Harkness.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Darnell%20Gallery/9388~0_small.jpg)
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Buddy Walthers seen in this Murray photo, the TSBD clock shows 12:40 pm
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Murray%20Gallery/murrayscan_small.jpg)
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And here on the (R) is Officer Haygood at his motorcycle near the Triple Underpass at the 12:35 time period. Thanks to my good friend "The Professor" for helping to prove that Todd was wrong once again.
Hackerott gives us "an estimation of the time as 12:36." You try to turn that into "12:35." Your attempt at misleading everyone aside, there is nothing in Hackerott's analysis that contradicts what I've been saying.
This is the level you're down to.
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Hackerott gives us "an estimation of the time as 12:36." You try to turn that into "12:35." Your attempt at misleading everyone aside, there is nothing in Hackerott's analysis that contradicts what I've been saying.
This is the level you're down to.
Officer Haygood's WC Testimony makes clear that he made his 12:35 radio transmission from HIS MOTORCYCLE at the Elm St curb. Please do the research before going off on another tangent that mandates my setting the record straight.
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Officer Haygood's WC Testimony makes clear that he made his 12:35 radio transmission from HIS MOTORCYCLE at the Elm St curb. Please do the research before going off on another tangent that mandates my setting the record straight.
Let me say this again: 'Hackerott gives us "an estimation of the time as 12:36." You try to turn that into "12:35."' You tried to mislead everyone by conflating Hackerott's 12:36 conclusion with your own 12:35 OCDness. Also again, 12:36 doesn't present a problem with anything I've said.
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Who said that Haygood used the radio on his own motorcycle? By 12:35, both Harkness and King had their three-wheelers on top of the rail yard. One of them is seen riding around in the rail yard in the Hughes film. He could have just borrowed their radios
BUMP regarding TODD speculating that Officer Haygood could have, ".... just borrowed their radios". Officer Haygood gave WC Testimony that he made his 12:35 radio transmission from his own Motorcycle Radio that was parked on the (N) Elm St curb. This is one of the many Facts that prove, "That Ain't Haygood", with Officer Harkness on the Darnell Film.
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BUMP regarding TODD speculating that Officer Haygood could have, ".... just borrowed their radios". Officer Haygood gave WC Testimony that he made his 12:35 radio transmission from his own Motorcycle Radio that was parked on the (N) Elm St curb. This is one of the many Facts that prove, "That Ain't Haygood", with Officer Harkness on the Darnell Film.
Steve Barber was the guy responsible for the borrowed radio idea, not me.
The photo just shows Haygood standing in the crowd next to the Elm St curb. It doesn't prove anything about exactly when he got there, how long he'd been there, what he was doing at that moment, nor what he had been doing in the meanwhile.
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Bell Frames showing Haygood standing next to his motorcycle.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tThMjdCZ/snapshot20130621065559.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9Q5w4GWm/snapshot20130621065703.jpg)
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Bell Frames showing Haygood standing next to his motorcycle.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tThMjdCZ/snapshot20130621065559.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9Q5w4GWm/snapshot20130621065703.jpg)
It looks like the first frame is just after he picked his cycle up off the pavement. In the second, he appears to be turned to start charging up the grassy knoll.
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Who said that Haygood used the radio on his own motorcycle? By 12:35, both Harkness and King had their three-wheelers on top of the rail yard. One of them is seen riding around in the rail yard in the Hughes film. He could have just borrowed their radios
Again, this is YOU/TODD making the claim that Haygood, "could have just borrowed their radios" YOU! Stop trying to blame Barber. If you knew Haygood's WC Testimony, YOU would have never tried to run with it.
If you did your research and knew the evidence, you would not be disputing that Haygood was back at his motorcycle at 12:35 going forward in time. If you knew the Evidence, YOU would know that Officer Haygood was filmed standing by his motorcycle, there at the (N) Elm curb by Couch. Haygood was filmed by Couch, when Couch made his 2nd trip down Elm St. You obviously do NOT Know the image evidence or the sworn testimony of the main players involved. I have researched this thoroughly. YOU have NOT. How about you seriously bone up on this issue and save me from having to correct you time after time after time?
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Dillard photo showing the Press Cars about to enter the underpass.
(https://i.postimg.cc/KvvQ4h8K/snapshot20130621065133.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Dillard%20Gallery/dillard_small.jpg)
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I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kX5gvDT/Haygood-Walking.png) (https://postimages.org/)
12:35 - Motorcycle Officer Haygood makes a police radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the (N) Elm curb near the Triple Underpass
12:35 - Inspector Sawyer arrives at the TSBD. Inspector Sawyer parks his car in front of the TSBD.
12:36 - Officer Harkness makes a police radio transmission that he is bringing an eyewitness/Amos Euins to the TSBD.
12:37 - Officer Harkness helps load Amos Euins into the back of Inspector Sawyer's car in front of the TSBD
12:38 - Officer Harkness secures the back of the TSBD. (Where we see him on the Darnell Film still frame above)
At 12 :38 Motorcycle Officer Haygood was back at his motorcycle, parked at the (N) Elm St curb, near the Triple Underpass, interviewing eyewitnesses. (Officer Haygood was filmed by Couch doing this). At 12:38, it is physically impossible for Darnell to film Motorcycle Officer Haygood with Officer Harkness. (Darnell still frame above). "That Ain't Haygood"!
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Haygood is still wearing his gloves in this frame.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Darnell%20Gallery/9388~0_small.jpg)
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Haygood is still wearing his gloves in this frame.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Darnell%20Gallery/9388~0_small.jpg)
Great find. I wonder what this does to Royell's narrative.
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Again, this is YOU/TODD making the claim that Haygood, "could have just borrowed their radios" YOU! Stop trying to blame Barber. If you knew Haygood's WC Testimony, YOU would have never tried to run with it.
If you did your research and knew the evidence, you would not be disputing that Haygood was back at his motorcycle at 12:35 going forward in time. If you knew the Evidence, YOU would know that Officer Haygood was filmed standing by his motorcycle, there at the (N) Elm curb by Couch. Haygood was filmed by Couch, when Couch made his 2nd trip down Elm St. You obviously do NOT Know the image evidence or the sworn testimony of the main players involved. I have researched this thoroughly. YOU have NOT. How about you seriously bone up on this issue and save me from having to correct you time after time after time?
RS: Again, this is YOU/TODD making the claim that Haygood, "could have just borrowed their radios" YOU! Stop trying to blame Barber. If you knew Haygood's WC Testimony, YOU would have never tried to run with it.
Well then, exactly where did I ever say this?
RS: If you did your research and knew the evidence, you would not be disputing that Haygood was back at his motorcycle at 12:35 going forward in time.
Where, exactly, did I ever dispute Haygood being at his motorcycle at 12:35?
You obviously do NOT Know the image evidence or the sworn testimony of the main players involved. I have researched this thoroughly. YOU have NOT. How about you seriously bone up on this issue and save me from having to correct you time after time after time?
You don't even know what I've been saying in my replies to your posts. Why then should I --or anyone else-- believe that you've "done the research" if you don't understand what I've been saying?
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JFK Assassination Short Railroad Yard Scenes With Dallas Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig - 5 Different Speeds
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Who said that Haygood used the radio on his own motorcycle? By 12:35, both Harkness and King had their three-wheelers on top of the rail yard. One of them is seen riding around in the rail yard in the Hughes film. He could have just borrowed their radios
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"He could have just borrowed their radios".
See that above? That's YOU. That's YOU talking about Officer Haygood. That's YOU Todd.
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Great find. I wonder what this does to Royell's narrative.
JOHN - Your jumping at this 1 grainy still frame tells me you have NOT Watched the entire Darnell Film. There is More Darnell Film Footage before/after this grainy still frame. That additional footage will answer your question(s). Again, please do ALL of the research. Once again, you are completely embarrassing yourself
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JFK Assassination Short Railroad Yard Scenes With Dallas Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig - 5 Different Speeds
DUNCAN - Thanks for posting this Darnell Film snippet here and on You Tube. It's very helpful especially with the various speeds.
I also believe that Buddy Walthers being in this snippet helps set the time stamping. Walthers was photo'd on (S) Elm St near the manhole cover at 12:39
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RS: Again, this is YOU/TODD making the claim that Haygood, "could have just borrowed their radios" YOU! Stop trying to blame Barber. If you knew Haygood's WC Testimony, YOU would have never tried to run with it.
Well then, exactly where did I ever say this?
RS: If you did your research and knew the evidence, you would not be disputing that Haygood was back at his motorcycle at 12:35 going forward in time.
Where, exactly, did I ever dispute Haygood being at his motorcycle at 12:35?
You obviously do NOT Know the image evidence or the sworn testimony of the main players involved. I have researched this thoroughly. YOU have NOT. How about you seriously bone up on this issue and save me from having to correct you time after time after time?
You don't even know what I've been saying in my replies to your posts. Why then should I --or anyone else-- believe that you've "done the research" if you don't understand what I've been saying?
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I have quoted you as claiming that Haygood could have "borrowed" a radio. Why would Haygood be back at his motorcycle at 12:35 and then need to "borrow" a radio? If Haygood was back at his motorcycle at 12:35, he would use his own radio. Besides, there was NO OTHER RADIO near the (N) Elm St curb at 12:35. Your claiming that Haygood, "could have borrowed" a radio, also means that You are claiming he was Not back at his motorcycle at 12:35.
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JFK Assassination Short Railroad Yard Scenes With Dallas Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig - 5 Different Speeds
What is this imposture holding in his (L) hand? It is not a glove. No how, No way.
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What is this imposture holding in his (L) hand? It is not a glove. No how, No way.
Yes way!
Why would an impostor who is trying to blend in, take off his glove and be holding a miniature thermonuclear device in his other hand, does that make sense to you?
But what does make perfect sense is that Haygood is simply carrying his glove and no conspiracy nonsense is required.
My motorcycle glove when folded over and carried in a similar way to the way Haygood is carrying his motorcycle glove, is an exact match to the size, colour and shape.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nLLbgChH/glove-cylinder.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8zcsBPg1/Haygood-holding-glove.jpg)
JohnM
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This is now getting ridiculous, the most practical way to carry the glove would be to do it as I have shown and the fact that your best comeback is to doubt my honesty, isn't very nice.
The following end on photo shows that my glove was simply doubled over, which just makes carrying the glove more comfortable, whereas your scenario seems to be a glove should be held in any specific way that distracts from your "theory".
(https://i.postimg.cc/m2wSgPVN/glove-cylinder-a.jpg)
This perfectly sums up your conspiracy, you have taken an event which I have explained to you in intricate detail and given a logical plausible sequence of events and now you are just splitting the already split hairs. Your "imposter" theory as you have just repeatedly said has no reasonable explanation, like you said "you have no idea" and for that matter everyone, besides you, who has looked into this keeps telling you that it makes no sense and goes nowhere. Any potential assassins and their equipment would have been long gone, they would have jumped in a car and sped off and your latest theory of these "Boogey men" hiding in a stationary train car is just another desperate attempt to keep this silliness alive.
But in closing just let me repeat this very important fact, and repeat after me, "When your lone patsy is high and behind having ANY frontal shooter is real stoopid"!
JohnM
A couple of requests with respect to your posted motorcycle glove photos: (1) Can you show BOTH ENDS of the glove when held as displayed? (2) Can you show the glove "Unfolded"?
I have an opinion as to what this Impostor is holding. And, he was Not holding it when Darnell filmed him walking in front of the string passenger train cars.