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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Duncan MacRae on November 09, 2023, 08:54:46 AM
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JohnM
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Hi Duncan, The beauty of people hearing three shots is there were two groups of three shots, in my opinion of course. Therefore, if people heard three shots and it was wanted to be the number of shots to match the Oswald's shell casings, it became easily enforced into the witnesses' memory by the FBI, etc. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael
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Hi Duncan, The beauty of people hearing three shots is there were two groups of three shots, in my opinion of course. Therefore, if people heard three shots and it was wanted to be the number of shots to match the Oswald's shell casings, it became easily enforced into the witnesses' memory by the FBI, etc. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael
Once again, this is intended Mis-Direction. STOP FOCUSING on how many shots were fired. The issue here is that there was NOT ENOUGH TIME to work a bolt action rifle and fire off BOTH the 2nd and 3rd SHOTS. You guys are repeatedly slipping on the same banana peel. FOCUS on the bolt action timing issue regarding the 2nd and 3rd shots.
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JohnM
Visuals such as this are very misleading. Given the various types of witnesses and the fact they were changing their statements with time to fit the influence of the medias reporting, graphs and pie charts like this provide zero information. Nowhere in this chart is the fact that most eyewitnesses are two shot witnesses and there is a number of three shot witnesses who describe the second shot as the headshot. Recently posted Sitzman, Brehm, Newmans, Hargis and Altgens are all two shot witnesses. Gayle Newman in the posted video is an excellent example of the media’s influence.
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Once again, this is intended Mis-Direction. STOP FOCUSING on how many shots were fired. The issue here is that there was NOT ENOUGH TIME to work a bolt action rifle and fire off BOTH the 2nd and 3rd SHOTS. You guys are repeatedly slipping on the same banana peel. FOCUS on the bolt action timing issue regarding the 2nd and 3rd shots.
The number of shots holds no meaning but then a post about how there was insufficient time? The fact there was only two shots requires no time explanation.
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Visuals such as this are very misleading. Given the various types of witnesses and the fact they were changing their statements with time to fit the influence of the medias reporting, graphs and pie charts like this provide zero information. Nowhere in this chart is the fact that most eyewitnesses are two shot witnesses and there is a number of three shot witnesses who describe the second shot as the headshot. Recently posted Sitzman, Brehm, Newmans, Hargis and Altgens are all two shot witnesses. Gayle Newman in the posted video is an excellent example of the media’s influence.
This comes down to a TIMING ISSUE. They now realize that the ELAPSED TIME of the shots just does NOT WORK with a bolt action rifle allegedly being used. So this means you get Yahoo's like Max Holland sent into duty and expanding the elapsed firing time to around 12 Seconds along with moving the JFK Limo position. As their false narrative is destroyed, they are then forced to move the goal posts. Same thing is gonna happen when the 7 Parkland Dr's drop their Bombshell on the Nov 14. These are Professionals with plenty to say. They are no longer scared as they accept the time to tell their FULL stories is running out.
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This comes down to a TIMING ISSUE. They now realize that the ELAPSED TIME of the shots just does NOT WORK with a bolt action rifle allegedly being used. So this means you get Yahoo's like Max Holland sent into duty and expanding the elapsed firing time to around 12 Seconds along with moving the JFK Limo position. As their false narrative is destroyed, they are then forced to move the goal posts. Same thing is gonna happen when the 7 Parkland Dr's drop their Bombshell on the Nov 14. These are Professionals with plenty to say. They are no longer scared as they accept the time to tell their FULL stories is running out.
No, your first claim was the number of shots did not matter. This claim is actually unbelievable that it was made by you.
Now your claim is about spacing which, depending on which witness, is all over the board.
How about you start by proving there were three shots.
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No, your first claim was the number of shots did not matter. This claim is actually unbelievable that it was made by you.
Now your claim is about spacing which, depending on which witness, is all over the board.
How about you start by proving there were three shots.
Personally, I believe there was MORE than 3 shots fired. Take a look at the SS Recreations they did way back then. Stop focusing on the car cruising down Elm St and FOCUS on the area of the concrete walkway that runs out from the Shelter to The Steps. There is a TARP/Covering of some kind over this area. I believe this Tarp was required as Repair Work was underway. Probably bullet damage along the lines of the curb that was Nicked, REMOVED and now LOST. There was more than 3 shots being fired close to simultaneously from differing points inside Dealey Plaza. This muddles the total shots fired issue. I mentioned yesterday that the Nix Film for roughly 3 frames shows a WHITE SHIRTED guy running UP The Steps immediately after the Kill Shot. Lee Bowers WC Testimony included his detailing seeing a WHITE SHIRT Man near the picket fence and The Steps. Do any JFK Researchers check this out? Nope. Same goes for a TARP/Covering an, (at the time), active crime scene. There's many things in plain sight that have Not been addressed. You can thank the JFK Assassination Research Community for Failing to follow the evidence, and instead choosing to sell books and getting TV face time.
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Personally, I believe there was MORE than 3 shots fired. Take a look at the SS Recreations they did way back then. Stop focusing on the car cruising down Elm St and FOCUS on the area of the concrete walkway that runs out from the Shelter to The Steps. There is a TARP/Covering of some kind over this area. I believe this Tarp was required as Repair Work was underway. Probably bullet damage along the lines of the curb that was Nicked, REMOVED and now LOST. There was more than 3 shots being fired close to simultaneously from differing points inside Dealey Plaza. This muddles the total shots fired issue. I mentioned yesterday that the Nix Film for roughly 3 frames shows a WHITE SHIRTED guy running UP The Steps immediately after the Kill Shot. Lee Bowers WC Testimony included his detailing seeing a WHITE SHIRT Man near the picket fence and The Steps. Do any JFK Researchers check this out? Nope. Same goes for a TARP/Covering an, (at the time), active crime scene. There's many things in plain sight that have Not been addressed. You can thank the JFK Assassination Research Community for Failing to follow the evidence, and instead choosing to sell books and getting TV face time.
This post is not to hard to follow, basically just a whole lot of nonsense. In a nutshell you are saying no you cannot prove a third shot but that you are just to afraid to admit it even to yourself.
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This post is not to hard to follow, basically just a whole lot of nonsense. In a nutshell you are saying no you cannot prove a third shot but that you are just to afraid to admit it even to yourself.
You are hamstringing yourself with that tunnel vision you got going. For starters, why would I restrict myself to proving Only a 3rd shot when I believe MORE than 3 shots were fired? Take off your blinders and widen your view regarding the issue of total shots fired. You're self restricting your Knowledge Consumption.
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You are hamstringing yourself with that tunnel vision you got going. For starters, why would I restrict myself to proving Only a 3rd shot when I believe MORE than 3 shots were fired? Take off your blinders and widen your view regarding the issue of total shots fired. You're self restricting your Knowledge Consumption.
Interesting logic. How about this, prove any one of these last four shots you are claiming occurred; you know shots 3, 4 ,5, 6 or whatever. Pick one and prove it.
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Interesting logic. How about this, prove any one of these last four shots you are claiming occurred; you know shots 3, 4 ,5, 6 or whatever. Pick one and prove it.
NOW, you're learning!
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NOW, you're learning!
Actually, I learned this a long time ago. A BS artist is just someone hiding behind a bunch of crap. You know someone like yourself.
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Actually, I learned this a long time ago. A BS artist is just someone hiding behind a bunch of crap. You know someone like yourself.
Most of us come here with the intent of gathering information and being exposed to other viewpoints regarding this 60 yr old unsolved murder. Insulting others does not lend itself to achieving these goals. In fact, it's counter productive. Curb your tongue and open your mind. You'll be glad you did. The dam is finally beginning to break.
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Most of us come here with the intent of gathering information and being exposed to other viewpoints regarding this 60 yr old unsolved murder. Insulting others does not lend itself to achieving these goals. In fact, it's counter productive. Curb your tongue and open your mind. You'll be glad you did. The dam is finally beginning to break.
No, I got it right. That is true for a lot of people but not you. Twisting and turning in an unwavering fantasy speculation is not a viewpoint. You just don’t like being called on it and would much rather we all pretend it is real.
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Three shots from the Depository, one from behind the fence. The shot fired from the front sounded different than the others according to witnesses.
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Three shots from the Depository, one from behind the fence. The shot fired from the front sounded different than the others according to witnesses.
With the high surrounding buildings and the diversity of eyewitness locations it was difficult for them to pinpoint an exact sniper position but in a crossfire with shots coming from opposite ends of Dealey Plaza, the difference in sounds of gunshots would be immediate apparent yet the vast majority said the shots all came from one direction and we know that both Kennedy and Connally were struck from behind therefore All shots came from behind.
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JohnM
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With the high surrounding buildings and the diversity of eyewitness locations it was difficult for them to pinpoint an exact sniper position but in a crossfire with shots coming from opposite ends of Dealey Plaza, the difference in sounds of gunshots would be immediate apparent yet the vast majority said the shots all came from one direction and we know that both Kennedy and Connally were struck from behind therefore All shots came from behind.
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JohnM
I recommend you read the WC Testimony of Lee Bowers. He directly addressed Sounds coming from the Triple Underpass vs Sounds coming from the TSBD. He disputes your premise as to a "difference in sounds of gunshots would be immediate apparent.............". Bowers not only worked for the railroad and manned that Tower for 15yrs, he also sand blasted the exterior of the TSBD. He was extremely familiar with the acoustics inside Dealey Plaza.
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I recommend you read the WC Testimony of Lee Bowers. He directly addressed Sounds coming from the Triple Underpass vs Sounds coming from the TSBD. He disputes your premise as to a "difference in sounds of gunshots would be immediate apparent.............". Bowers not only worked for the railroad and manned that Tower for 15yrs, he also sand blasted the exterior of the TSBD. He was extremely familiar with the acoustics inside Dealey Plaza.
Sorry it doesn't work that way, first you must research the 94% of eyewitnesses who were ALL present in Dealey Plaza and who ALL agree that they heard gunshots from only ONE direction.
Get back to me after you're done.
JohnM
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Sorry it doesn't work that way, first you must research the 94% of eyewitnesses who were ALL present in Dealey Plaza and who ALL agree that they heard gunshots from only ONE direction.
Get back to me after you're done.
JohnM
My post addressed your PREMISE regarding the directional acoustics inside Dealey Plaza. Lee Bowers addressed this very issue during his WC Testimony. Up to you if you wanna just run away from this valuable earwitness.
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My post addressed your PREMISE regarding the directional acoustics inside Dealey Plaza. Lee Bowers addressed this very issue during his WC Testimony. Up to you if you wanna just run away from this valuable earwitness.
Why do you insist on embarrassing yourself with every single thread that you participate in?
Mr. BELIN - And were you able to form an opinion as to the source of the sound or what direction it came from, I mean?
Mr. BOWERS - The sounds came either from up against the School Depository Building or near the mouth of the triple underpass.
Mr. BALL - Were you able to tell which?
Mr. BOWERS - No; I could not.
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JohnM
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Why do you insist on embarrassing yourself with every single thread that you participate in?
Mr. BELIN - And were you able to form an opinion as to the source of the sound or what direction it came from, I mean?
Mr. BOWERS - The sounds came either from up against the School Depository Building or near the mouth of the triple underpass.
Mr. BALL - Were you able to tell which?
Mr. BOWERS - No; I could not.
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JohnM
Exactly! Bowers is saying the sound could be coming from either direction. Think things through. You used to be much better than this.
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Sorry it doesn't work that way, first you must research the 94% of eyewitnesses who were ALL present in Dealey Plaza and who ALL agree that they heard gunshots from only ONE direction.
Get back to me after you're done.
JohnM
"Only ONE direction"? Not according to what Bowers has discovered during his 15yrs working inside Dealey Plaza.
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Three shots from the Depository, one from behind the fence. The shot fired from the front sounded different than the others according to witnesses.
And a shot from the Dal-Tex and a shot from the overpass and a shot from the storm drain and a shot from Jackie and a shot from Greer and a shot from Hickey.
According to witness testimony there were around eight shots Thumb1:
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And a shot from the Dal-Tex and a shot from the overpass and a shot from the storm drain and a shot from Jackie and a shot from Greer and a shot from Hickey.
According to witness testimony there were around eight shots Thumb1:
And you forget Gordon Arnold. He said that "report" was still going on after he dove and rolled on the ground.
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Once again, this is intended Mis-Direction. STOP FOCUSING on how many shots were fired. The issue here is that there was NOT ENOUGH TIME to work a bolt action rifle and fire off BOTH the 2nd and 3rd SHOTS. You guys are repeatedly slipping on the same banana peel. FOCUS on the bolt action timing issue regarding the 2nd and 3rd shots.
OH STOP IT STORING! You exasperate the daylights out of me! This is why I don't respond to your insipid, and totally silly responses to me when I respond to your response to me!
There was nearly 5 seconds between the 2nd and 3rd shots! The first shot fired was circa Zaprduder frame 154/55. The proof is the sudden head jerks by both JFK and JBC, Rosemary Willis, the first of three jiggles of Zapruder's camera caused by his fliching at the sound of each shot,
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OH STOP IT STORING! You exasperate the daylights out of me! This is why I don't respond to your insipid, and totally silly responses to me when I respond to your response to me!
There was nearly 5 seconds between the 2nd and 3rd shots! The first shot fired was circa Zaprduder frame 154/55. The proof is the sudden head jerks by both JFK and JBC, Rosemary Willis, the first of three jiggles of Zapruder's camera caused by his fliching at the sound of each shot,
This gets ridiculous. In order for Max Holland to float his crazy Signal Pole deflection = the Tague injury, he's got the timing of the 3 shots expanded to a record 12 seconds. 5 seconds between the 2nd and 3rd shots is in that same ballpark. If you're gonna claim 5 seconds between shots 2 and 3, then you gotta wonder how SA Clint Hill did not manage to climb on top of the Limo over that lengthy time span. The Queen Mary was right on top of the JFK Limo too.
And are you still claiming that is Motorcycle Officer Haygood we are seeing on the Darnell Footage? That alleged Motor Cop is filmed shadowing Officer Roger Craig as they walk across the train yard, and then that same cop is filmed walking down the Elm St Ext toward the TSBD. During his WC Testimony, Haygood confirmed making a 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle. There is No Way that Haygood could have physically covered all of this ground and still made that 12:35 radio transmission. So who is this alleged Motorcycle Cop? To date, the identity of this guy remains Unknown.
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I recommend you read the WC Testimony of Lee Bowers. He directly addressed Sounds coming from the Triple Underpass vs Sounds coming from the TSBD. He disputes your premise as to a "difference in sounds of gunshots would be immediate apparent.............". Bowers not only worked for the railroad and manned that Tower for 15yrs, he also sand blasted the exterior of the TSBD. He was extremely familiar with the acoustics inside Dealey Plaza.
I have to disagree. Oswald could not have fired two shots bang bang in that short amount of time. I believe skinny holland's testimony, and the fake secret service agent Joe Marshall Smith encountered is enough proof something went down there.
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I have to disagree. Oswald could not have fired two shots bang bang in that short amount of time. I believe skinny holland's testimony, and the fake secret service agent Joe Marshall Smith encountered is enough proof something went down there.
There's also Smith, Sen Yarborough, and Mrs Cabell all reporting the smell of gunpowder at ground level and well away from the 6th Floor.