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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Michael Welch on September 15, 2023, 06:15:01 PM

Title: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Michael Welch on September 15, 2023, 06:15:01 PM
Who was the last person President Kennedy saw on earth?

Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Gerry Down on September 15, 2023, 06:27:54 PM
Mrs Kennedy. He was looking down at her lap at Z312.
Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Michael Welch on September 15, 2023, 07:46:35 PM
Mrs Kennedy. He was looking down at her lap at Z312.

Hi Gerry, It would be the logical choice except I think he had his eyes closed for about 100 frames. I could be wrong on that! Thank you for your input and fast reply! Sincerely yours, Michael

Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Charles Collins on September 15, 2023, 08:06:36 PM
I could be mistaken, but if I remember correctly, Jackie testified or perhaps just said something like the following to someone else who reported it: He had a quizzical look in his eyes. So I question the idea that his eyes were closed.
Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Michael Welch on September 15, 2023, 10:39:43 PM
I could be mistaken, but if I remember correctly, Jackie testified or perhaps just said something like the following to someone else who reported it: He had a quizzical look in his eyes. So I question the idea that his eyes were closed.

Hi Charles, You are 100% correct, but that was her looking at him and not him looking at her! Thank you as always for participating! It is very much appreciated! Sincerely yours, Michael
Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Charles Collins on September 15, 2023, 11:36:54 PM
Hi Charles, You are 100% correct, but that was her looking at him and not him looking at her! Thank you as always for participating! It is very much appreciated! Sincerely yours, Michael

You are not making any sense. Read what I posted again. Also, if I remember correctly one of the nurses at Parkland Hospital said that his eyes were open.
Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Michael Welch on September 16, 2023, 12:01:31 AM
You are not making any sense. Read what I posted again. Also, if I remember correctly one of the nurses at Parkland Hospital said that his eyes were open.

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Terror: Kennedy slumps forward after being hit
“He looked puzzled,” she said later. “He looked as if he had a slight headache.”

Hi Charles, Got ya---- you are saying President Kennedy always had his eyes open. If he did, I do not think he recognized anybody after the neck wound. I personally think he closed his eyes after a few seconds. Nurse Hall did say that his eyes were half open, but his pupils were fixed; therefore, he was dead. Thank you for writing! Sincerely yours, Michael
 
Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Charles Collins on September 16, 2023, 01:50:05 AM
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Terror: Kennedy slumps forward after being hit
“He looked puzzled,” she said later. “He looked as if he had a slight headache.”

Hi Charles, Got ya---- you are saying President Kennedy always had his eyes open. If he did, I do not think he recognized anybody after the neck wound. I personally think he closed his eyes after a few seconds. Nurse Hall did say that his eyes were half open, but his pupils were fixed; therefore, he was dead. Thank you for writing! Sincerely yours, Michael
 


There is no reason to believe that the shot through the neck affected his ability to see. It obviously affected his ability to speak (confirmed by all but one of the occupants of the limo indicating he didn’t utter a sound). I do believe that the head shot caused instant death. However, before the head shot, it appears to me that he most likely saw Jackie last. You can have whatever opinion you want. But if you are trying to convince anyone else that your opinion is correct, you need to show some evidence.
Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Michael Welch on September 16, 2023, 02:03:20 AM

There is no reason to believe that the shot through the neck affected his ability to see. It obviously affected his ability to speak (confirmed by all but one of the occupants of the limo indicating he didn’t utter a sound). I do believe that the head shot caused instant death. However, before the head shot, it appears to me that he most likely saw Jackie last. You can have whatever opinion you want. But if you are trying to convince anyone else that your opinion is correct, you need to show some evidence.

Hi Charles, It affected him by causing him to pass out and have his eyes closed at least by z-256. Before this, he was never looking at her. Thank you as always! Sincerely yours, Michael
Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Steve Barber on September 16, 2023, 02:23:07 AM
I could be mistaken, but if I remember correctly, Jackie testified or perhaps just said something like the following to someone else who reported it: He had a quizzical look in his eyes. So I question the idea that his eyes were closed.

   Hi Charles. I agree.  In Frme 237,(posted here by Michael Welch, President Kennedy was squinting because of the pain after the first shot ripping through his back and exiting his throat.  He couldn't have gone unconcious before the fatal shot.  Otherwise, he would never be able to keep his arms in the position they were in as late as 312. When people lose conciousness, the body goes completely limp.  He's still holding his right arm up to his chest area.
Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Steve Barber on September 16, 2023, 02:25:53 AM
Hi Charles, It affected him by causing him to pass out and have his eyes closed at least by z-256. Before this, he was never looking at her. Thank you as always! Sincerely yours, Michael

Hi Michael,

   I don't think he went unconcious until he was killed by the fatal shot, due to the fact that he's still holding his right arm/hand to his chest until he's killed.
Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Charles Collins on September 16, 2023, 02:26:33 AM
Hi Charles, It affected him by causing him to pass out and have his eyes closed at least by z-256. Before this, he was never looking at her. Thank you as always! Sincerely yours, Michael

I haven’t seen the evidence that indicates he passed out. Just your opinion.
Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Charles Collins on September 16, 2023, 02:27:58 AM
   Hi Charles. I agree.  In Frme 237,(posted here by Michael Welch, President Kennedy was squinting because of the pain after the first shot ripping through his back and exiting his throat.  He couldn't have gone unconcious before the fatal shot.  Otherwise, he would never be able to keep his arms in the position they were in as late as 312. When people lose conciousness, the body goes completely limp.  He's still holding his right arm up to his chest area.

A very good point. Thanks Steve.
Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Michael Welch on September 16, 2023, 02:37:06 AM
Hi Michael,

   I don't think he went unconcious until he was killed by the fatal shot, due to the fact that he's still holding his right arm/hand to his chest until he's killed.

Hi Steve, I hope you are doing well. Concerning your observations, if I am looking at the President and Jackie correctly, the President's right arm is held up by the top of the right back door and Jackie is holding up his left arm until he falls more to his left and his right arm falls off the top door ledge and down. Jackie is supporting his left arm at least by z-256. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

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Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Steve Barber on September 16, 2023, 02:52:39 AM
A very good point. Thanks Steve.

 You're welcome, Sir, and thank you, as well!  I hope you're doing well.
Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Jarrett Smith on September 16, 2023, 05:08:46 AM
Who was the last person President Kennedy saw on earth?

He looked over at Jackie before looking down with eyes squinted and that was it. He never heard the shots that wounded him.
Title: Re: The Last Person President Kennedy Saw On Earth
Post by: Michael Welch on September 16, 2023, 10:14:41 AM
He looked over at Jackie before looking down with eyes squinted and that was it. He never heard the shots that wounded him.

Hi Jarrett. If you are new here welcome to the forum! I do not think that his head ever gets far enough over to see Jackie. He may have seen Nellie if he had his eyes still open. I hope that you and Gerry and Charles and Steve are correct and that he did see Jackie. Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael