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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Izraul Hidashi on June 16, 2021, 12:21:55 AM
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It seems Oswald was keeping a secret which the Warren Commission may have inadvertently revealed in their official timeline of events. A quick rundown of the first few minutes of events may hold the key to a bigger secret. Let's take a look, and then you can decide for yourselves.
12:30 - Lee shoots the president with pin point accuracy at the speed of light using a broken gun from the 6th floor of 411 Elm St. Then he hides the gun and walks down 4 flights of stairs to the 2nd floor, all in just 1 minutes time.
12:31 - Lee purchases a Coke from the 2nd floor vending machine in the break room.
12:32 - Lee is confronted and questioned by motorcycle officer Baker on the 2nd floor while calmly drinking his can of Coke in the break room.
12:33 - Lee walks down another flight of stairs and exits 411 Elm St., walks 7 blocks to Elm & Murphy in just 5 minutes, where he catches a bus, magically unaffected by the hectic crowds & traffic of the presidential motor parade, even after the president had been shot, that was just in time to pick up the fastest man on Earth.
If the Warren Commission's account is to be believed, then Lee Harvey Oswald, was without a doubt, the real "SUPER MAN!"
Now you might think that's silly, and probably because IT IS...but that's exactly what the Warren Commission claimed, and actually expected us to believe. And if you believe the Warren Commission, then you are really saying that you believe Oswald to be, "SUPER LEE!"
But wait...because there's another twist. Another man with super powers that day... none other than officer Baker.
How else can one explain a motorcycle cop that was able to know exactly where the shots came from before anyone else, park his motorcycle, take his helmet off, run through large crowds of people into 411 Elm St., then run up a flight of stairs directly to the break room to confront none other than Super Lee? And he did all of it in just 2 minutes flat. Even though the shots supposedly came from the 6th floor, somehow officer Baker knew to go directly to the 2nd floor...
From driving his motorcycle to confronting the assassin in just 2 minutes... truly an extraordinary feat.
These 2 men either defied the laws of physics by way of real super powers, or the Warren Commission was full of crap. In my opinion, the WC was full of it, and the official story nothing more than nonsense for gullible people. But that's just my opinion, and luckily opinions don't matter. So it's up for you to decide what you believe.
The extraordinary secret lives of Super Lee and Wonder Baker.... or Reality?
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To be totally honest, I'm actually floored that any human being could have believed that nonsense. I mean seriously... can anyone explain how that made sense to them?
Are there any Warren Commission believers who are willing to explain this so I can have a better understanding of it? Or did believe the WC, but has since changed their mind? I just think it's important to better understand other peoples thought process so we can relate better. But I'm also curious as to how something so blatantly egregious can be excepted without question.
But officer Baker did do one thing...he proved from his own testimony that the Warren Commission were liars. Thanks officer Baker. They were all liars. The cops. The FBI. The CIA. And the Commission. And the so called experts who use any of their blatant lies as evidence, aren't really experts at all. Experts would know they all lied. Unless of course they're just pretending they didn't lie for the sake of arguing.
If there was no conspiracy, why all the lies? Why try so hard to pin the shooting on Oswald...even to the point making nonsensical claims, like Oswald leaving within 3 minutes so he could walk 7 blocks in 5 minutes just to put him on the bus. That's absurd. And anyone who believes it can't be taken seriously. At least not by me.
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It seems Oswald was keeping a secret which the Warren Commission may have inadvertently revealed in their official timeline of events. A quick rundown of the first few minutes of events may hold the key to a bigger secret. Let's take a look, and then you can decide for yourselves.
12:30 - Lee shoots the president with pin point accuracy at the speed of light using a broken gun from the 6th floor of 411 Elm St. Then he hides the gun and walks down 4 flights of stairs to the 2nd floor, all in just 1 minutes time.
12:31 - Lee purchases a Coke from the 2nd floor vending machine in the break room.
12:32 - Lee is confronted and questioned by motorcycle officer Baker on the 2nd floor while calmly drinking his can of Coke in the break room.
12:33 - Lee walks down another flight of stairs and exits 411 Elm St., walks 7 blocks to Elm & Murphy in just 5 minutes, where he catches a bus, magically unaffected by the hectic crowds & traffic of the presidential motor parade, even after the president had been shot, that was just in time to pick up the fastest man on Earth.
If the Warren Commission's account is to be believed, then Lee Harvey Oswald, was without a doubt, the real "SUPER MAN!"
Now you might think that's silly, and probably because IT IS...but that's exactly what the Warren Commission claimed, and actually expected us to believe. And if you believe the Warren Commission, then you are really saying that you believe Oswald to be, "SUPER LEE!"
But wait...because there's another twist. Another man with super powers that day... none other than officer Baker.
How else can one explain a motorcycle cop that was able to know exactly where the shots came from before anyone else, park his motorcycle, take his helmet off, run through large crowds of people into 411 Elm St., then run up a flight of stairs directly to the break room to confront none other than Super Lee? And he did all of it in just 2 minutes flat. Even though the shots supposedly came from the 6th floor, somehow officer Baker knew to go directly to the 2nd floor...
From driving his motorcycle to confronting the assassin in just 2 minutes... truly an extraordinary feat.
These 2 men either defied the laws of physics by way of real super powers, or the Warren Commission was full of crap. In my opinion, the WC was full of it, and the official story nothing more than nonsense for gullible people. But that's just my opinion, and luckily opinions don't matter. So it's up for you to decide what you believe.
The extraordinary secret lives of Super Lee and Wonder Baker.... or Reality?
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Pin point accuracy? Speed of light? Why did he need three "pin point" accurate shots? Wouldn't one be sufficient? Y'know, like at the head? Was his first shot aimed at a squirrel in the tree? Or where exactly? And the second "pin point" accurate shot was aimed at his back? Was he going to wound JFK and then kidnap him? And speed of light? Three shots in about 8-9 seconds? And the clock doesn't start until after the first shot. So two shots in 8-9 seconds.
Baker asked him nothing. And Oswald had no coke/drink in his hands. Both Baker and Truly said they saw nothing in his hands.
The motorcade had been well past Elm Street - they rushed to the hospital - at the time Oswald got on the bus; there were no vehicles in the motorcade that would block the street.
But never mind.
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Oswald was a CIA asset.
A CIA document titled “Excerpts From Unpublished Writings of Lee Harvey Oswald” quotes Oswald as having written, “When I first went to Russia in the winter of 1959 my funds were very limited, so after a certain time, after the Russians had assured themselves that I was really the naive American who believed in Communism, they arranged for me to receive a certain amount of money every month . . . . It was arranged by the MVD [Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs] . . . . It really was payment for my denunciation of the US in Moscow in November 1959.”
A CIA memo from March 1964 makes reference to Oswald’s writings and states, “In his writings, Oswald is highly critical of Soviet rigged elections, the massing of crowds for staged demonstrations, travel restrictions, regimentation, and the lack of freedom of press, speech, and religion.”
On November 29, 1963, the CIA sent a message to the White House stating that while Oswald was enroute to the Soviet Union, he “passed through Sweden during October 1959” and was “unsuccessful in obtaining a visa to the USSR in Helsinki, which resulted in his returning to Stockholm.”
The CIA message also stated, “Two days after he arrived in Stockholm, Oswald traveled directly to Moscow . . . . There was no record that there was any request for a USSR visa processed through normal channels for Oswald at any time during 1959 . . . . It was difficult to explain how Oswald might have received his visa in two days without going through normal channels.”
The CIA sent out a cable in July 1964, stating that Headquarters “wants to know minimum time required to obtain Soviet tourist visa.”
The response in a CIA cable three days later states, “Normal visa processing takes seven days, which can be shortened ‘in exceptional cases’ to five days. Impossible in two or three days.”
A CIA document pertaining to CIA “Operations” dated September 19, 1961, less than two years after Oswald went to the Soviet Union and nine months before his return to the United States, define an agent as: “A person who acts in our behalf, at our instigation and in consonance with our direction.”
As for Oswald being “a person who acts in our behalf, at our instigation and in consonance with our direction,” Oswald’s Marine Corps record shows that on February 25, 1959, he was tested on his Russian language “comprehension” skills, including his ability to “understand” Russian, his ability to “read” Russian, and his ability to “write” in Russian.
On August 17, 1959, less than six months after being tested on his Russian language skills, Lee Harvey Oswald “submitted a request for a ‘dependency’ discharge from the Marine Corps.” The alleged reason for the “dependency discharge” was the “hardship of his mother.”
After submitting his request, Oswald first “appeared before the Hardship/Dependency discharge board,” which “recommended that he be released from active duty for reason of dependency,” and his discharge from the Marines was approved on August 31, two weeks after Oswald submitted his request.
Two days after Oswald’s discharge was approved, a CIA memorandum addressed the “legal travel operations into the USSR,” stating that the CIA’s Soviet Russia Division “will conduct all legal travel operations involving the use of U.S. citizens.”
On September 4, Oswald applied for a passport. His application states that the countries to which he would be traveling include France, England, Finland, and Russia.
Then, on September 11, 1959, one week after applying for a passport, Oswald was officially released from “active duty” in the Marines, whereupon he was transferred into the Marine Corps Reserve with obligated service until December 8, 1962. He then went to Fort Worth, Texas, where he visited with his mother for “approximately three days” and told her that he would like to “travel abroad,” after which he went to New Orleans.
On September 16, five days after his release from active duty in the Marines due to the alleged “hardship of his mother,” Oswald paid $215 to travel to France aboard the SS Marion Lykes, a “passenger-carrying freighter.” He boarded the ship on September 19 and “wrote his mother that he had booked passage for Europe.”
The ship set sail on September 20, 1959, and Oswald arrived in France on October 6. He subsequently departed for England the same day, arriving in England on October 9. The next day, he boarded a flight that would take him to Helsinki where, as previously noted, he was unsuccessful in obtaining a Russian visa, after which he went to Stockholm and waited two days for a Russian visa, even though “there was no record that there was any request for a USSR visa processed through normal channels for Oswald at any time during 1959.”
The only explanation for Oswald getting a visa “without going through normal channels” and getting it in “two days” is that the CIA created one for him. A 1961 CIA document states that the CIA Deputy Director of Operations “is authorized to suspend procedures” when “operational and security aspects of an agent’s management are so sensitive as to require processing through special channels.” The document also states that one of the “basic requirements” in a “secure operation” is “to keep to an operational minimum the number of persons aware of the true aims of the operation.”
Oswald’s fabricated visa, for which there was “no record” of a request, lists “Helsinki” as the place where it was issued, and the “signature” of the person issuing the visa is “illegible.”
On October 16, eight months after the Marine Corps tested Oswald on his Russian language “comprehension” skills and forty-four days after the CIA memorandum about “legal travel operations into the USSR,” Oswald arrived in Moscow, where “he was handled” by “a KGB agent.”
A CIA paper dealing with the alleged defection states, “All such defectors would be interrogated by the KGB” and “surrounded by KGB informants wherever they re-settled in the USSR.”
Fifteen days after arriving in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Oswald went to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow and claimed that he was renouncing his American citizenship, stating afterward, “I will never return to the United States for any reason.”
The Embassy reported that Oswald “was aggressive, arrogant, and uncooperative,” and in response to his alleged desire to renounce his citizenship, the Embassy “advised Oswald by mail of his right to renounce citizenship, such renunciation in manner prescribed by law being valid, and that he might appear on any normal business day and request documents be prepared.”
But Oswald never went back to do the paperwork, and a U.S. State Department memo in December 1961 states that Oswald “did not, in fact, renounce United States citizenship . . . . Mr. Oswald did not expatriate himself and remains a citizen of the United States.”
Eleven months before the State Department memo, Oswald wrote a letter to the Secretary of the Navy due to receiving an undesirable discharge for traveling to the Soviet Union. A short fifteen months after the alleged attempt to renounce his citizenship, Oswald told the Secretary of the Navy that he is “still a U.S. citizen” and “had gone to the Soviet Union to reside only for a ‘short time.’”
Oswald also wrote a letter to a Marine Corps General on March 22, 1962, stating, “I have never taken steps to renounce my U.S. citizenship . . . . I refer you to the United States Embassy, Moscow, or the U.S. Department of State, Washington, D.C., for the verification of this fact.”
According to the State Department officer who dealt with Oswald during the phony attempt to renounce citizenship, Oswald appeared to have been “tutored in connection with his apparent attempts to renounce his American citizenship,” and Oswald’s trip to the Soviet Union was suspiciously a “competently arranged trip.”
The State Department officer also reported, “Oswald evidently knew something of the procedure for renunciation of citizenship when he came into the office. This seemed a bit unusual since it was so soon after his first departure from the United States on his first trip abroad traveling as a private citizen.”
The Warren Commission told CIA officials in March 1964, “The letters Lee Oswald wrote to the American Embassy in Moscow while he was trying to get permission for himself and his wife Marina to return to the United States might have been ‘coached.’”
A Warren Commission staff member told the CIA officials that “these letters reflected a higher degree of sophistication and knowledge of passport procedures than would be expected of a man of Lee Harvey Oswald’s known character.”
The FBI documented that an Associated Press reporter spoke with Oswald at his hotel soon after his claim that he wanted to “relinquish his United States citizenship and remain in Russia.” The reporter “engaged him in a conversation” and “asked Oswald why he was going to remain in Russia.”
The FBI report states, “Oswald replied, ‘I’ve got my reasons,’ but did not elucidate.”
On June 18, 1962, five days after he returned from the Soviet Union, Oswald had Pauline Bates, a stenographer in Fort Worth, Texas, type up notes that he made while in Russia. Bates testified to the Warren Commission that the notes, both typed and handwritten, were in Russian and that Oswald spent three days translating them for her. She also stated that she was “anxious to get on it” because she was very interested in the fact that Oswald “had just come back from Russia and had notes.”
She told the Warren Commission, “I started asking him some questions – ‘Why did you go to Russia?’ - and a few things like that. Some of them he’d answer and some of them he wouldn’t . . . . He wasn’t very talkative. And whenever I did get him to talk, I had to drag it out of him. He didn’t talk voluntarily.”
The information that Pauline Bates “dragged” out of Oswald included the fact that he would “scribble notes” while in Russia “whenever he could” and then “surreptitiously” type them when “Marina would cover for him . . . muffle the tone of the typewriter and everything . . . . He said she would cover or watch for him so that nobody would know that he was making them . . . try to steer anybody away while he was doing this, because he could have got in trouble.”
She testified that the notes were “about the living conditions and the working conditions in Russia. And they were very bitter against Russia . . . . It was the terrible living conditions and the terrible working conditions . . . . The notes were very, very bitter about Russia.
“He smuggled them out of Russia. And he said that the whole time until they got over the border, they were scared to death they would be found, and, of course, they would not be allowed to leave Russia.”
Oswald also told Pauline Bates that while he was in the Marine Corps, he “had taken elementary Russian - a course in elementary Russian.” As noted earlier, six and a half months before he left on a “passenger-carrying freighter” with the Soviet Union as his ultimate destination, the Marines tested Oswald on his ability to understand Russian, read Russian, and write in Russian.
The FBI reported that when they interviewed Oswald on June 26, 1962, thirteen days after he returned to the United States, “Oswald declined to answer the question as to why he made the trip to Russia in the first place” and stated he “would not be willing to take a polygraph test.”
Oswald was put on the CIA’s Counterintelligence “Watch List” on November 9, 1959, nine days after he told U.S. embassy officials that he was renouncing his American citizenship and would “never return to the United States for any reason.”
The card with Oswald’s name on it simply states, “Recent defector to the USSR, Former Marine,” but it is also stamped “Secret: Eyes Only,” which means it was of the highest restriction when it comes to who sees it, and anyone who sees it knows they are not supposed to ask any questions about Lee Harvey Oswald.
Very few people were supposed to know that Oswald was acting on behalf of the CIA in his feigned defection to the Soviet Union. In an executive session of the Warren Commission on January 27, 1964, Congressman Hale Boggs asked former CIA Director Allen Dulles, “Did you have agents about whom you had no record whatsoever?”
Dulles replied, “The record might not be on paper,” adding that if anything were “on paper,” it “would have hieroglyphics that only two people knew what they meant, and nobody outside of the Agency would know.”
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You're right. If he was a good shot he would only need 1. But that wasn't the case, was it? According the WC, Oswald fire 3 times. Although multiple witness claimed hearing more than 3 shots, the WC ignored them.
But the WC report also shows that the FBI & Military marksmen who test fired that weapon both said it was a broken piece of junk that wouldn't even shoot straight, and there's no way that gun could have killed the president unless by accident. And yet the WC chose to ignore that too.
If there was no conspiracy, then why all the ignoring of facts and telling of lies?
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Why? Are you implying it's a bad link or virus... or you just don't like my sense of humor? lol
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So because the CIA, an a spy agency known for its trickery, lies and deceit said this and that, then it must be true. Right? Because the government would never lie or forge documents & signatures, manufacture evidence or make anything up. Right? The CIA, who was more than likely involved, has no reason to lie about anything. Right? And they're your best credible source? ::)
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You're right. If he was a good shot he would only need 1. But that wasn't the case, was it? According the WC, Oswald fire 3 times. Although multiple witness claimed hearing more than 3 shots, the WC ignored them.
But the WC report also shows that the FBI & Military marksmen who test fired that weapon both said it was a broken piece of junk that wouldn't even shoot straight, and there's no way that gun could have killed the president unless by accident. And yet the WC chose to ignore that too.
If there was no conspiracy, then why all the ignoring of facts and telling of lies?
The CIA used Oswald as the initial fall guy so that LBJ would fear Khrushchev and Castro were behind the assassination, which is what made the phony Mexico City trip so important. LBJ had fears of a nuclear war and established the Warren Commission with a "no conspiracy" mandate.
Chief Justice Earl Warren admitted that Johnson established the Warren Commission seven days after the assassination because Johnson came to have a profound fear that Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev and Cuban Premier Fidel Castro were behind the assassination. President Johnson feared that their involvement could get the United States into, in Earl Warren’s words, “a nuclear war.”
The retired Chief Justice was interviewed in December 1972 and stated that when he went to the White House on November 29, 1963, President Johnson “told me he felt conditions around the world were so bad at the moment that he thought it might even get us into a war; a nuclear war.”
Two hours before going to the White House, Earl Warren met with Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, telling him that he “did not believe a Chief Justice should undertake non-judicial duties while sitting on the Supreme Court.”
But when he went to the White House, Johnson told Warren that he had “asked for a report from Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara for an estimate on how many Americans would be killed in a Soviet nuclear attack.”
Johnson was given a figure of 40 million, and the fear of a possible nuclear war caused Warren to “agree to head the inquiry.”
The simple fact is that no matter what the Warren Commission found out, they would abide by their instructions to tell the American public that there was no conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy.
When President Johnson called Senator Richard Russell on November 29 to enlist him for the Warren Commission, he told Russell about Chief Justice Warren refusing Bobby Kennedy’s request to serve on a Presidential Commission, stating, “Bobby and them went up to see him today and he turned them down cold and said, ‘No’ . . . . Two hours later I called him and ordered him down here, and he didn’t want to come. I insisted he come.”
Johnson told Senator Russell that Chief Justice Warren “came down here and told me no twice,” and President Johnson pointedly told Russell, “We’ve got to take this out of the arena where they’re testifying that Khrushchev and Castro did this and did that and chuck us into a war that can kill 40 million Americans in an hour.”
Warren met with the Commission staff on January 20, 1964, and a staff memorandum from the meeting states that Warren “discussed the circumstances under which he had accepted the chairmanship of the Commission.” Warren told the staff that “rumors” that were “circulating in this country and overseas” had to be “quenched,” or the rumors “could conceivably lead the country into a war which could cost 40 million lives. No one could refuse to do something which might help to prevent such a possibility.”
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Thanks. I'm sure glad you took the time to knit pick at meaningless facts in the face of a reality that you can't, nor want, to talk about. Because no matter what you knit pick at, the fact remains that the WC timeline for Oswald shooting the president, being confronted by Baker, and then leaving, is still 3 minutes.
And that's exactly what you believe and are defending, isn't it? So let's address your knit picking of meaningless facts to avoid the real point of my post, shall we?
You claim Baker said nothing to Oswald, and Oswald never bought a coke, right? You're right that Baker never said anything directly to Oswald. Or at least that's what the lying cop said, and you believe.
According to Baker, he heard 3 shots and thought they came from that building, in front of him. But there were more than 3 shots, and they came from different areas. So Baker was clearly repeating the official narrative. But who cares, right? Okay, so he heard 3 shots, parked his motorcycle, and ran into the building that he thought the shots came from. Even though there were plenty of other buildings around, he just happened to choose that one. Bravo for officer Baker & you. You wanna knit pick my post, but you haven't knit picked this clowns story? LOL
Mr. BELIN - How many shots did you hear?
Mr. BAKER - Three.
Mr. BELIN - All right. After the third shot, then, what did you do?
Mr. BAKER - Well, I revved that motorcycle up and I went down to the corner which would be approximately 180 to 200 feet from the point where we had first stated, you know, that we heard the shots.
Mr. BELIN - What distance did you state? What we did on Friday afternoon, we paced off from the point you thought you heard the first shot to the point at which you parked the motorcycle, and this paced off to how much?
Mr. BAKER - From 180 to 200 feet.
Mr. BELIN - That is where you parked the motorcycle?
Mr. BAKER - Yes.
So, he claims he heard 3 shots while riding his loud ass motorcycle with his helmet on, and over the crowds of cheering people. Oh yeah... that sounds legit, right? Have you ever ridden a motorcycle? The chances of him hearing any gun shots at all are minimal. Add the helmet and there's even less chance of hearing them, let alone being able to tell where they came from. Sorry, but I have to call bullsh*t on officer Baker. But if you believe him, that's what's important here. So let us continue fixing these important issues.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
I wonder if we could go on this plat, Officer Baker, and first if you could put on here with this pen, and I have turned it upside down.
With Exhibit 361, show us the spot at which you stopped your motorcycle approximately and put a "B" on it, if you would.
Mr. BAKER - Somewhere at this position here, which is approximately 10 feet from this signal light here on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
You have put a dot on Exhibit 361 with the line going to "B" and the dot represents that signal light, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - That is right, sir.
Mr. BELIN - You, on Friday, March 20, parked your motorcycle where you thought it was parked on November 22 and then we paced off the distance from the nearest point of the motorcycle to the stop light and it was 10 feet, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - That is correct, sir.
So officer Baker parked his motorcycle 10 feet from the stoplight at Houston & Elm. There were crowds of people all around. He's noticing everything. Even the things that nobody else has, like which building the shots came from, where in the building they came from. He's a super cop and nothing is getting by him, right?
Mr. BELIN - We then paced off the distance as to approximately how far it was from the place your motorcycle was parked to the doorway of the School Book Depository Building, do you remember doing that, on March 20?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - And it appears on Exhibit 477 that that doorway is recessed, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - That is correct, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember how far that was from the place your motorcycle was parked to the doorway?
Mr. BAKER - Approximately 45 feet.
So he parked 45 feet from the door. 10 feet from the stoplight. Let's continue.
Mr. BELIN - After you parked your motorcycle, did you notice anything that was going on in the area?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. As I parked here
Mr. BELIN - You are pointing on Exhibit 361 to the place that you have marked with "B."
Mr. BAKER - And I was looking westward which would be in this direction.
Mr. BELIN - By that, you are pointing down the entrance to the freeway and kind of what I will call the peninsula of the park there?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Toward the triple underpass.
Representative BOGGS -Where is the underpass?
Mr. BAKER - The underpass is down here. This is really Elm Street, and this would be Main and Commerce and they all come together here, and there is a triple overpass.
Representative BOGGS -Right.
Mr. BAKER - At this point, I looked down here as I was parking my motorcycle and these people on this ground here, on the sidewalk, there were several of them falling, and they were rolling around down there, and all these people were rushing back, a lot of them were grabbing their children, and I noticed one, I didn't know who he was, but there was a man ran out into the crowd and back.
Mr. BELIN - Did you notice anything else?
Mr. BAKER - Except there was a woman standing--well, all these people were running, and there was a woman screaming, "Oh, they have shot that man, they have shot that man."
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Now, you are on Exhibit 361, and you are pointing to people along the area or bordering the entrance to that expressway and that bit of land lying to the west and north, as to where you describe these people, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - That is correct, sir.
Mr. DULLES - Would you mark where the overpass would be, right at the end of those lines, just so we get oriented on it.
Mr. BELIN - I am trying to see down here.
Mr. DULLES - I just wanted to get a general idea.
Wow. Officer super cop really took his time to notice everything around him, right? We know, because he's admitting it. Pretty fancy stuff for a motorcycle that just heard 3 gun shots on top of a roof over the noise of his Harley, and with his helmet on. And then he parks 45 feet from the entrance and stands around watching the crowds and street. And according to everyone involved, including you, officer Baker was still able to confront a coke-less Oswald, who was calmly standing next to a Coke machine on the 2nd floor when, and he did all that just 2 minutes after Oswald shot the president from the 6th floor. Excellent detective work & cudos to all the great minds who were, and are, brave enough to actually pretend they believe that nonsense.
By the way, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to correct my analysis. Shall we continue? Or do you wanna stop here? Because Baker has a lot more wonderful testimony that completely destroys the official narrative, which you believe (or pretend to believe) & defend.
I for one think it's ironic that Baker inadvertently pointed out the real location of the shots. It would be a lot harder to hear gun shots during a crowded parade that come from a roof top, then it would if they came from the street. And all those people that Baker saw running, ducking, laying down and grabbing kids, happened to be in the same area where puffs of gun smoke were seen. The same area where 2 men holding rifles were actually photographed, by Mary Morman. Inside of the pergola. And I've even identified one of those gunmen, using facial recognition techniques, as Eladio Del' Valle.
But please, continue explaining to me what happened, since you're so knowledgeable. That is what you want people to believe, right? That you know what you're talking about? If you know so much then you surely you know the police lied, right? Or how knowledgeable could really be? If you know that, and I assume you do since you took the time to show everyone you know things, why are you pretending not to know? Why are you, pointing the words of liars, as evidence of truth? Either you know what you're talking about or you don't! So which one is it? I'd like to believe both, but I can't.
Smh...I don't get it. lol This whole of forum is supposed to be full of JFK experts. Yet half of them act like they don't know basic shi*t. LOL I mean... C'mon now. If you know the police lied about pretty much everything, which they did, and you do, then why would you point to police testimony as some kind of proof or evidence of anything? You can't act smug & knowledgeable, while at the same time pretending not to know sh*t like that. I mean you can, but it's just weird.
I'm not gonna play pretend games...lol I know enough to know damn well the police lied. And anyone that's researched more than a year and still doesn't know that fact should just stop because you're wasting your life & time. How long is it supposed to take the normal person with average common sense to figure that out? 5...10... 20 years? LOL
Okay... lol smh If so called experts wanna pretend they know everything, except any of the important facts that don't mesh with their pretend beliefs, it's fine with me. Who I'm I to judge?
And I'll try my best to pretend I can't see it, just to appease them, and argue nonsensically over things they know aren't true, for no reason at all, other than stroking ego's . NOT! ::)
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Thanks. I'm sure glad you took the time to knit pick at meaningless facts in the face of a reality that you can't, nor want, to talk about. Because no matter what you knit pick at, the fact remains that the WC timeline for Oswald shooting the president, being confronted by Baker, and then leaving, is still 3 minutes.
And that's exactly what you believe and are defending, isn't it? So let's address your knit picking of meaningless facts to avoid the real point of my post, shall we?
You claim Baker said nothing to Oswald, and Oswald never bought a coke, right? You're right that Baker never said anything directly to Oswald. Or at least that's what the lying cop said, and you believe.
According to Baker, he heard 3 shots and thought they came from that building, in front of him. But there were more than 3 shots, and they came from different areas. So Baker was clearly repeating the official narrative. But who cares, right? Okay, so he heard 3 shots, parked his motorcycle, and ran into the building that he thought the shots came from. Even though there were plenty of other buildings around, he just happened to choose that one. Bravo for officer Baker & you. You wanna knit pick my post, but you haven't knit picked this clowns story? LOL
Mr. BELIN - How many shots did you hear?
Mr. BAKER - Three.
Mr. BELIN - All right. After the third shot, then, what did you do?
Mr. BAKER - Well, I revved that motorcycle up and I went down to the corner which would be approximately 180 to 200 feet from the point where we had first stated, you know, that we heard the shots.
Mr. BELIN - What distance did you state? What we did on Friday afternoon, we paced off from the point you thought you heard the first shot to the point at which you parked the motorcycle, and this paced off to how much?
Mr. BAKER - From 180 to 200 feet.
Mr. BELIN - That is where you parked the motorcycle?
Mr. BAKER - Yes.
So, he claims he heard 3 shots while riding his loud ass motorcycle with his helmet on, and over the crowds of cheering people. Oh yeah... that sounds legit, right? Have you ever ridden a motorcycle? The chances of him hearing any gun shots at all are minimal. Add the helmet and there's even less chance of hearing them, let alone being able to tell where they came from. Sorry, but I have to call bullsh*t on officer Baker. But if you believe him, that's what's important here. So let us continue fixing these important issues.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
I wonder if we could go on this plat, Officer Baker, and first if you could put on here with this pen, and I have turned it upside down.
With Exhibit 361, show us the spot at which you stopped your motorcycle approximately and put a "B" on it, if you would.
Mr. BAKER - Somewhere at this position here, which is approximately 10 feet from this signal light here on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
You have put a dot on Exhibit 361 with the line going to "B" and the dot represents that signal light, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - That is right, sir.
Mr. BELIN - You, on Friday, March 20, parked your motorcycle where you thought it was parked on November 22 and then we paced off the distance from the nearest point of the motorcycle to the stop light and it was 10 feet, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - That is correct, sir.
So officer Baker parked his motorcycle 10 feet from the stoplight at Houston & Elm. There were crowds of people all around. He's noticing everything. Even the things that nobody else has, like which building the shots came from, where in the building they came from. He's a super cop and nothing is getting by him, right?
Mr. BELIN - We then paced off the distance as to approximately how far it was from the place your motorcycle was parked to the doorway of the School Book Depository Building, do you remember doing that, on March 20?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - And it appears on Exhibit 477 that that doorway is recessed, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - That is correct, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember how far that was from the place your motorcycle was parked to the doorway?
Mr. BAKER - Approximately 45 feet.
So he parked 45 feet from the door. 10 feet from the stoplight. Let's continue.
Mr. BELIN - After you parked your motorcycle, did you notice anything that was going on in the area?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. As I parked here
Mr. BELIN - You are pointing on Exhibit 361 to the place that you have marked with "B."
Mr. BAKER - And I was looking westward which would be in this direction.
Mr. BELIN - By that, you are pointing down the entrance to the freeway and kind of what I will call the peninsula of the park there?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Toward the triple underpass.
Representative BOGGS -Where is the underpass?
Mr. BAKER - The underpass is down here. This is really Elm Street, and this would be Main and Commerce and they all come together here, and there is a triple overpass.
Representative BOGGS -Right.
Mr. BAKER - At this point, I looked down here as I was parking my motorcycle and these people on this ground here, on the sidewalk, there were several of them falling, and they were rolling around down there, and all these people were rushing back, a lot of them were grabbing their children, and I noticed one, I didn't know who he was, but there was a man ran out into the crowd and back.
Mr. BELIN - Did you notice anything else?
Mr. BAKER - Except there was a woman standing--well, all these people were running, and there was a woman screaming, "Oh, they have shot that man, they have shot that man."
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Now, you are on Exhibit 361, and you are pointing to people along the area or bordering the entrance to that expressway and that bit of land lying to the west and north, as to where you describe these people, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - That is correct, sir.
Mr. DULLES - Would you mark where the overpass would be, right at the end of those lines, just so we get oriented on it.
Mr. BELIN - I am trying to see down here.
Mr. DULLES - I just wanted to get a general idea.
Wow. Officer super cop really took his time to notice everything around him, right? We know, because he's admitting it. Pretty fancy stuff for a motorcycle that just heard 3 gun shots on top of a roof over the noise of his Harley, and with his helmet on. And then he parks 45 feet from the entrance and stands around watching the crowds and street. And according to everyone involved, including you, officer Baker was still able to confront a coke-less Oswald, who was calmly standing next to a Coke machine on the 2nd floor when, and he did all that just 2 minutes after Oswald shot the president from the 6th floor. Excellent detective work & cudos to all the great minds who were, and are, brave enough to actually pretend they believe that nonsense.
By the way, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to correct my analysis. Shall we continue? Or do you wanna stop here? Because Baker has a lot more wonderful testimony that completely destroys the official narrative, which you believe (or pretend to believe) & defend.
I for one think it's ironic that Baker inadvertently pointed out the real location of the shots. It would be a lot harder to hear gun shots during a crowded parade that come from a roof top, then it would if they came from the street. And all those people that Baker saw running, ducking, laying down and grabbing kids, happened to be in the same area where puffs of gun smoke were seen. The same area where 2 men holding rifles were actually photographed, by Mary Morman. Inside of the pergola. And I've even identified one of those gunmen, using facial recognition techniques, as Eladio Del' Valle.
But please, continue explaining to me what happened, since you're so knowledgeable. That is what you want people to believe, right? That you know what you're talking about? If you know so much then you surely you know the police lied, right? Or how knowledgeable could really be? If you know that, and I assume you do since you took the time to show everyone you know things, why are you pretending not to know? Why are you, pointing the words of liars, as evidence of truth? Either you know what you're talking about or you don't! So which one is it? I'd like to believe both, but I can't.
Smh...I don't get it. lol This whole of forum is supposed to be full of JFK experts. Yet half of them act like they don't know basic shi*t. LOL I mean... C'mon now. If you know the police lied about pretty much everything, which they did, and you do, then why would you point to police testimony as some kind of proof or evidence of anything? You can't act smug & knowledgeable, while at the same time pretending not to know sh*t like that. I mean you can, but it's just weird.
I'm not gonna play pretend games...lol I know enough to know damn well the police lied. And anyone that's researched more than a year and still doesn't know that fact should just stop because you're wasting your life & time. How long is it supposed to take the normal person with average common sense to figure that out? 5...10... 20 years? LOL
Okay... lol smh If so called experts wanna pretend they know everything, except any of the important facts that don't mesh with their pretend beliefs, it's fine with me. Who I'm I to judge?
And I'll try my best to pretend I can't see it, just to appease them, and argue nonsensically over things they know aren't true, for no reason at all, other than stroking ego's . NOT! ::)
Only one person who entered the TSBD on 11.22.63 needed a reason to lie that day.
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I find it absurdly hilarious that people are pretending that I'm wrong while acting like experts. What part of what I said is wrong? Did the Warren Commission not claim Oswald left within the 3 minutes? The people who have something to say haven't touched on that. Why? You act like you're knowledgeable but you don't know this? LOL
The replies are hilarious because not one person has said anything of substance regarding the 3 minute claim. Ridiculed. On & On about some CIA /FBI docs. But nothing about the 3 minute claim. I didn't make that up, the WC did. If you don't like it then maybe it's because you know it's BS, but your ego's won't allow you to admit it. You rather make snide remarks and act like experts.
One guy says this is a farce. Which part? Another pretend expert claims Oswald never bought a Coke. Seriously? The same person also said officer Baker never said a word. And I sarcastically said "You're right." But that it isn't true. None of what the this so called expert, who took the time criticize me but not address the main point, was true.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Mr. BAKER - And we went up them.
Mr. BELIN - You went up the stairs then?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - When you started up the stairs what was your intention at that--
Mr. BAKER - My intention was to go all the way to the top where I thought the shots had come from, to see if I could find something there, you know, to indicate that.
Mr. BELIN - And did you go all the way up to the top of the stairs right away?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir; we didn't.
Mr. BAKER - What happened?
Mr. BAKER - As I came out to the second floor there, Mr. Truly was ahead of me, and as I come out I was kind of scanning, you know, the rooms, and I caught a glimpse of this man walking away from this--I happened to see him through this window in this door. I don't know how come I saw him, but I had a glimpse of him coming down there.
Mr. DULLES - Where was he coming from, do you know?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir. All I seen of him was a glimpse of him go away from me.
Mr. BELIN - What did you do then?
Mr. BAKER - I ran on over there
Representative BOGGS -You mean where he was?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. There is a door there with a glass, it seemed to me like about a 2 by 2, something like that, and then there is another door which is 6 foot on over there, and there is a hallway over there and a hallway entering into a lunchroom, and when I got to where I could. see him he was walking away from me about 20 feet away from me in the lunchroom.
Mr. BELIN - What did you do?
Now let's see what officer Baker did. Because he claims they were going to the top of the building by stairs, after waiting for the elevator. He did a lot in just 3 minutes. But if they were going up the stairs why did they walk the 2nd floor? That's the only way he could have seen Oswald. Let's continue.
Mr. BAKER - I hollered at him at that time and said, "Come here." He turned and walked right straight back to me.
Mr. BELIN - Where were you at the time you hollered?
Mr. BAKER - I was standing in the hallway between this door and the second door, right at the edge of the second door.
Mr. BELIN - He walked back toward you then?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
So officer Baker hollered at Oswald... so much for the expert criticizer claim that Baker never said a word to Oswald. Bravo! As for officer Baker, he's a clown and a liar. If he thought the shots came from the roof, why is he stopping people on the 2nd floor just 2 minutes after the shots? Does he think it's possible the gunman could have made it to the 2nd floor in just 2 minutes?
And this is why everyone rather criticize than talk about the truth. Rather claim I'm making it up and try to make me look stupid. LOL Like I'm lying or don't know what I'm talking about.
I don't just open my mouth to open it. That may be all some people do, but not me.
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At one point officer Liar states this...
BOGGS- Let me ask you a question. How far away, approximately, were these people who were running and falling and so forth from the entrance to the Building?
Mr. BAKER - Well, now, let me say this. From this position here.
Mr. BELIN - That is position "B" on Exhibit 361?
Mr. BAKER - There were people running all over this here.
Mr. BELIN - And you are pointing to the street and the parkway all in front of the School Building?
Mr. BAKER - Yes. You see, it looked to me like there were maybe 500 or 600 people in this area here.
Wow. So super cop hears gun shots over the noise of his Harley, with his helmet on, clear enough to know what building they came from. Then revvs his motorcycle like s super hero and parks 10 feet from the light, 45 to 50 feet from the door, stands around looking at all the people by the underpass for a few minutes, then makes his way through 500 to 600 people into the building, where he & Mr. Truly talk for a minute, then wait for the elevator. And it when it doesn't come, they go up the stairs headed for the roof, but make a stop on the 2nd floor to look around, where he spots Oswald.
Then he hollers at Oswald, who calmly walks back to officer super liar, just 2 minutes after shooting the president from the 6th floor.
I would be embarrassed for believing that nonsense...and the people who do believe it, should be. :D
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At one point officer Liar states this...
BOGGS- Let me ask you a question. How far away, approximately, were these people who were running and falling and so forth from the entrance to the Building?
Mr. BAKER - Well, now, let me say this. From this position here.
Mr. BELIN - That is position "B" on Exhibit 361?
Mr. BAKER - There were people running all over this here.
Mr. BELIN - And you are pointing to the street and the parkway all in front of the School Building?
Mr. BAKER - Yes. You see, it looked to me like there were maybe 500 or 600 people in this area here.
Wow. So super cop hears gun shots over the noise of his Harley, with his helmet on, clear enough to know what building they came from. Then revvs his motorcycle like s super hero and parks 10 feet from the light, 45 to 50 feet from the door, stands around looking at all the people by the underpass for a few minutes, then makes his way through 500 to 600 people into the building, where he & Mr. Truly talk for a minute, then wait for the elevator. And it when it doesn't come, they go up the stairs headed for the roof, but make a stop on the 2nd floor to look around, where he spots Oswald.
Then he hollers at Oswald, who calmly walks back to officer super liar, just 2 minutes after shooting the president from the 6th floor.
I would be embarrassed for believing that nonsense...and the people who do believe it, should be. :D
Even the Warren Commission ruled out Oswald as the assassin.
In an Executive Session on December 16, 1963, more than two months before any witness testimony was taken, members of the Warren Commission discussed President Kennedy having been shot from the front.
Warren Commission member Gerald Ford stated, “But that person must have taken the shot over here some place.”
John McCloy, in referring to President Kennedy being shot from the sixth-floor window of the TSBD, responded to Ford: “Still I don’t see how he could have been hit in the front from here.” Hale Boggs then stated, “That’s the big question, yes.”
McCloy then stated, “I inquired about this and they said that nobody was permitted on the overpass.”
After McCloy wondered how President Kennedy “could have been hit in the front from here,” and after McCloy mentioned the “overpass” that was in front of President Kennedy, McCloy made a statement about the sixth-floor window from which Oswald allegedly fired, and it is clear that McCloy knew that President Kennedy was shot from the front.
McCloy stated, “I think we ought to take a look at the grounds and somebody ought to do it. And get the picture of this angle to see if it is humanly possible for him to have been hit in the front from a shot fired from that window.”
If it had been a clear case of President Kennedy being shot from behind, there would have been no reason for McCloy to refer to the sixth-floor window and ask “if it is humanly possible for him to have been hit in the front from a shot fired from that window,” and he would have no reason to say, “I don’t see how he could have been hit in the front from here.”
If it had been a clear case of President Kennedy being shot from behind, McCloy would have no reason to bring up “the overpass” that was in front of President Kennedy when he was assassinated.
Warren Commission member Hale Boggs was adamant that “the big question” was “how he could have been hit in the front from here.”
Contrary to what was in the final report of the Warren Commission, the Executive Session on December 16, 1963, shows that Commission members knew with absolute certainty that President Kennedy was shot from the front.
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Let's continue with officer Baker's testimony.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Mr. BAKER - And at that position there he was already down here some 20 feet away from me.
Representative BOGGS -When you saw him, was he out of breath, did he appear to have been running or what?
Mr. BAKER - It didn't appear that to me. He appeared normal you know.
Representative BOGGS -Was he calm and collected?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. He never did say a word or nothing. In fact, he didn't change his expression one bit.
Mr. BELIN - Did he flinch in anyway when you put the gun up in his face?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir.
Mr. DULLES - There is no testimony that he put the gun up in his face.
Mr. BAKER - I had my gun talking to him like this.
Mr. DULLES - Yes.
So Oswald didn't seem out of breath. How incredible for a man who just shot the president and ran down 4 flights of stairs in 2 minutes. And then Baker, who says he looked normal, points a gun at him! Why? Of all the employees and people in the building, why harass a man who looked normal on the 2nd floor, just 2 minutes after hearing gun shots on the roof...over his loud Harley with a helmet on?
None of this sounds right. At least not to me. But to some people it does. How could the WC actually believe and claim all of this took place within 3 minutes? They couldn't have been that stupid, right? But they lied about it anyway because they had to put Oswald on the bus by a certain time so they could lie some more about him killing Tippet too. And that's what the 3 minute lie is all about.
Oswald going home to get a jacket and gun. But why would Oswald bring his rifle to work and leave his revolver at home? That's stupid. As stupid as claiming he grabbed a jacket to wear over his long sleeve flannel at 1:00 in the afternoon in Texas. Lies, lies, and more lies.
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Even the Warren Commission ruled out Oswald as the assassin.
In an Executive Session on December 16, 1963, more than two months before any witness testimony was taken, members of the Warren Commission discussed President Kennedy having been shot from the front.
Warren Commission member Gerald Ford stated, “But that person must have taken the shot over here some place.”
John McCloy, in referring to President Kennedy being shot from the sixth-floor window of the TSBD, responded to Ford: “Still I don’t see how he could have been hit in the front from here.” Hale Boggs then stated, “That’s the big question, yes.”
McCloy then stated, “I inquired about this and they said that nobody was permitted on the overpass.”
After McCloy wondered how President Kennedy “could have been hit in the front from here,” and after McCloy mentioned the “overpass” that was in front of President Kennedy, McCloy made a statement about the sixth-floor window from which Oswald allegedly fired, and it is clear that McCloy knew that President Kennedy was shot from the front.
McCloy stated, “I think we ought to take a look at the grounds and somebody ought to do it. And get the picture of this angle to see if it is humanly possible for him to have been hit in the front from a shot fired from that window.”
If it had been a clear case of President Kennedy being shot from behind, there would have been no reason for McCloy to refer to the sixth-floor window and ask “if it is humanly possible for him to have been hit in the front from a shot fired from that window,” and he would have no reason to say, “I don’t see how he could have been hit in the front from here.”
If it had been a clear case of President Kennedy being shot from behind, McCloy would have no reason to bring up “the overpass” that was in front of President Kennedy when he was assassinated.
Warren Commission member Hale Boggs was adamant that “the big question” was “how he could have been hit in the front from here.”
Contrary to what was in the final report of the Warren Commission, the Executive Session on December 16, 1963, shows that Commission members knew with absolute certainty that President Kennedy was shot from the front.
Seems to me they were trying to ascertain if claims that he was shot from the front were feasible.
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And now we come to the good part. How they based the whole time.
Representative BOGGS -That question about time I would like to establish.
How long would you say it was from the time that you first heard the shots until that episode occurred?
Mr. BAKER - We went back and made two trial runs on that, and---
Mr. BELIN - Was that on Friday, March 20?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Mr. BAKER - And the first run we made it was a minute and 30 seconds, and--
Mr. DULLES - Will you say from what time to what time, from the last shot?
Mr. BAKER - From the last shot.
Mr. BELIN - The first shot.
Mr. DULLES - The first shot?
Mr. BAKER - The first shot.
We simulated the shots and by the time we got there, we did everything that I did that day, and this would be the minimum, because I am sure that I, you know. it took me a little longer.
Mr. DULLES - I want to get clear in my mind and for the record, it started at the first shot and when did it terminate, when you saw Oswald?
Mr. BAKER - When we saw Oswald.
Mr. DULLES - When you saw Oswald?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. DULLES - And that time is how much?
Mr. BAKER - The first run would be a minute and 30 seconds, and then we did it over, and we did it in a minute and 15 seconds.
And there it is. The biggest BS ever, right out of their own lying mouths. They timed practice runs after the fact, less the 500 to 600 people who were also there, as officer Baker claimed. How anyone could believe and defend this garbage is beyond me. But it says a lot about a persons intelligence. You have to be extremely special to believe everything officer Baker said happened, happened in only 1 1/2 minutes. Clearly they lied and manipulated times for people who they thought would buy it. And people did.
The one cop who told the truth was officer Roger Craig. And he was fired and murdered for it. So who else lied? How about the earliest report of Oswald's interview by FBI agent James Hosty?
Page 613 of the Warren Report.
"OSWALD stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunch room; however he went to the second floor where the Coca–Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca–Cola for his lunch. OSWALD claimed to be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed this building. … he then went home by bus and changed his clothes."
Now let's look at p 619 of the Warren Report, where the FBI wrote a new version of events after Oswald was dead. As did others. The earliest report never said anything about Oswald's run in with Baker. Captain Fritz added it later. Then FBI agent Bookhout writes a new account of the first–day interview, which suddenly included an encounter with a super cop Baker.
"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca–cola from the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. MR. TRULY was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. OSWALD stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees’ lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman BILL SHELLEY, and thereafter went home."
But there's no conspiracy right? All these lies and changes to pin a murder on an innocent man, but there was no conspiracy. Yeah...okay. You experts you. lol
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Thanks. I'm sure glad you took the time to knit pick at meaningless facts in the face of a reality that you can't, nor want, to talk about. Because no matter what you knit pick at, the fact remains that the WC timeline for Oswald shooting the president, being confronted by Baker, and then leaving, is still 3 minutes.
And that's exactly what you believe and are defending, isn't it? So let's address your knit picking of meaningless facts to avoid the real point of my post, shall we?
You claim Baker said nothing to Oswald, and Oswald never bought a coke, right? You're right that Baker never said anything directly to Oswald. Or at least that's what the lying cop said, and you believe.
According to Baker, he heard 3 shots and thought they came from that building, in front of him. But there were more than 3 shots, and they came from different areas. So Baker was clearly repeating the official narrative. But who cares, right? Okay, so he heard 3 shots, parked his motorcycle, and ran into the building that he thought the shots came from. Even though there were plenty of other buildings around, he just happened to choose that one. Bravo for officer Baker & you. You wanna knit pick my post, but you haven't knit picked this clowns story? LOL
Mr. BELIN - How many shots did you hear?
Mr. BAKER - Three.
Mr. BELIN - All right. After the third shot, then, what did you do?
Mr. BAKER - Well, I revved that motorcycle up and I went down to the corner which would be approximately 180 to 200 feet from the point where we had first stated, you know, that we heard the shots.
Mr. BELIN - What distance did you state? What we did on Friday afternoon, we paced off from the point you thought you heard the first shot to the point at which you parked the motorcycle, and this paced off to how much?
Mr. BAKER - From 180 to 200 feet.
Mr. BELIN - That is where you parked the motorcycle?
Mr. BAKER - Yes.
So, he claims he heard 3 shots while riding his loud ass motorcycle with his helmet on, and over the crowds of cheering people. Oh yeah... that sounds legit, right? Have you ever ridden a motorcycle? The chances of him hearing any gun shots at all are minimal. Add the helmet and there's even less chance of hearing them, let alone being able to tell where they came from. Sorry, but I have to call bullsh*t on officer Baker. But if you believe him, that's what's important here. So let us continue fixing these important issues.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
I wonder if we could go on this plat, Officer Baker, and first if you could put on here with this pen, and I have turned it upside down.
With Exhibit 361, show us the spot at which you stopped your motorcycle approximately and put a "B" on it, if you would.
Mr. BAKER - Somewhere at this position here, which is approximately 10 feet from this signal light here on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
You have put a dot on Exhibit 361 with the line going to "B" and the dot represents that signal light, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - That is right, sir.
Mr. BELIN - You, on Friday, March 20, parked your motorcycle where you thought it was parked on November 22 and then we paced off the distance from the nearest point of the motorcycle to the stop light and it was 10 feet, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - That is correct, sir.
So officer Baker parked his motorcycle 10 feet from the stoplight at Houston & Elm. There were crowds of people all around. He's noticing everything. Even the things that nobody else has, like which building the shots came from, where in the building they came from. He's a super cop and nothing is getting by him, right?
Mr. BELIN - We then paced off the distance as to approximately how far it was from the place your motorcycle was parked to the doorway of the School Book Depository Building, do you remember doing that, on March 20?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - And it appears on Exhibit 477 that that doorway is recessed, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - That is correct, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember how far that was from the place your motorcycle was parked to the doorway?
Mr. BAKER - Approximately 45 feet.
So he parked 45 feet from the door. 10 feet from the stoplight. Let's continue.
Mr. BELIN - After you parked your motorcycle, did you notice anything that was going on in the area?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. As I parked here
Mr. BELIN - You are pointing on Exhibit 361 to the place that you have marked with "B."
Mr. BAKER - And I was looking westward which would be in this direction.
Mr. BELIN - By that, you are pointing down the entrance to the freeway and kind of what I will call the peninsula of the park there?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Toward the triple underpass.
Representative BOGGS -Where is the underpass?
Mr. BAKER - The underpass is down here. This is really Elm Street, and this would be Main and Commerce and they all come together here, and there is a triple overpass.
Representative BOGGS -Right.
Mr. BAKER - At this point, I looked down here as I was parking my motorcycle and these people on this ground here, on the sidewalk, there were several of them falling, and they were rolling around down there, and all these people were rushing back, a lot of them were grabbing their children, and I noticed one, I didn't know who he was, but there was a man ran out into the crowd and back.
Mr. BELIN - Did you notice anything else?
Mr. BAKER - Except there was a woman standing--well, all these people were running, and there was a woman screaming, "Oh, they have shot that man, they have shot that man."
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Now, you are on Exhibit 361, and you are pointing to people along the area or bordering the entrance to that expressway and that bit of land lying to the west and north, as to where you describe these people, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - That is correct, sir.
Mr. DULLES - Would you mark where the overpass would be, right at the end of those lines, just so we get oriented on it.
Mr. BELIN - I am trying to see down here.
Mr. DULLES - I just wanted to get a general idea.
Wow. Officer super cop really took his time to notice everything around him, right? We know, because he's admitting it. Pretty fancy stuff for a motorcycle that just heard 3 gun shots on top of a roof over the noise of his Harley, and with his helmet on. And then he parks 45 feet from the entrance and stands around watching the crowds and street. And according to everyone involved, including you, officer Baker was still able to confront a coke-less Oswald, who was calmly standing next to a Coke machine on the 2nd floor when, and he did all that just 2 minutes after Oswald shot the president from the 6th floor. Excellent detective work & cudos to all the great minds who were, and are, brave enough to actually pretend they believe that nonsense.
By the way, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to correct my analysis. Shall we continue? Or do you wanna stop here? Because Baker has a lot more wonderful testimony that completely destroys the official narrative, which you believe (or pretend to believe) & defend.
I for one think it's ironic that Baker inadvertently pointed out the real location of the shots. It would be a lot harder to hear gun shots during a crowded parade that come from a roof top, then it would if they came from the street. And all those people that Baker saw running, ducking, laying down and grabbing kids, happened to be in the same area where puffs of gun smoke were seen. The same area where 2 men holding rifles were actually photographed, by Mary Morman. Inside of the pergola. And I've even identified one of those gunmen, using facial recognition techniques, as Eladio Del' Valle.
But please, continue explaining to me what happened, since you're so knowledgeable. That is what you want people to believe, right? That you know what you're talking about? If you know so much then you surely you know the police lied, right? Or how knowledgeable could really be? If you know that, and I assume you do since you took the time to show everyone you know things, why are you pretending not to know? Why are you, pointing the words of liars, as evidence of truth? Either you know what you're talking about or you don't! So which one is it? I'd like to believe both, but I can't.
Smh...I don't get it. lol This whole of forum is supposed to be full of JFK experts. Yet half of them act like they don't know basic shi*t. LOL I mean... C'mon now. If you know the police lied about pretty much everything, which they did, and you do, then why would you point to police testimony as some kind of proof or evidence of anything? You can't act smug & knowledgeable, while at the same time pretending not to know sh*t like that. I mean you can, but it's just weird.
I'm not gonna play pretend games...lol I know enough to know damn well the police lied. And anyone that's researched more than a year and still doesn't know that fact should just stop because you're wasting your life & time. How long is it supposed to take the normal person with average common sense to figure that out? 5...10... 20 years? LOL
Okay... lol smh If so called experts wanna pretend they know everything, except any of the important facts that don't mesh with their pretend beliefs, it's fine with me. Who I'm I to judge?
And I'll try my best to pretend I can't see it, just to appease them, and argue nonsensically over things they know aren't true, for no reason at all, other than stroking ego's . NOT! ::)
Thou art such an erudite gentleman. I miss Caprio.. But Tony Marsh is above all of thee !!